U.S. Riots of May 2020 over George Floyd and others - ITT: a bunch of faggots butthurt about worthless internet stickers

[inception_state]

Hilariously, and coming as no shock to anyone, that scholarly paper about the wheel never being used in Africa until colonialism occurred has been removed from Harvard's website.

I think they just replaced the pre-pub version with the version that was eventually published. Unfortunately the new version is a scan of a physical journal and looks like crap.

Still an interesting bit of research, thanks for linking it.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Legal gun ownership. Many cities have additional laws/taxes/regulations on who can own/what firearms can be owned. This leads to an instance of people bringing in firearms from other municipalities or gangbangers having their stolen/illegal firearms

In addition many of the hyper liberals who pass laws restricting the 2A are concentrated in said cities. Who needs firearms when you have the police? lol

Case in point DC

Permit required to purchase?	Yes	Yes		The firearm registration process also serves as a permitting process.
Owner license required?	Yes	Yes		The firearm registration process also serves as a licensing process.
Firearm registration?	Yes	Yes		All firearms except certain black powder firearms, must be registered with the Metropolitan Police Department. A background check and online training are required.

I've run into a lot of people who don't care and have firearms (no, not joggers). They're taking the "Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six" saying seriously.

 

[Myles the Potatophile]

Over the years I have sometimes gazed out upon humanity for a moment or two, and in my experience the number one thing that will decide if a kid grows up decent or not is how they are taught from infancy until they're about 7-8 years old.
If they are allowed to run feral with other feral kids until school age there is very little hope for them. If they are taught by adults from birth how to peacefully interact with society and to value kindness, learning and hard work, then there's a good chance they'll be civilized adults.

Seems that we're dealing with the consequences of mass absence of fathers, broken homes, and abuse. This goes for both the BLM crowd and the Antifags. In regards to the BLM people there's an entire culture of people exemplify everything that we know about juvenile delinquents, only it's amplified from being an issue of individuals and becoming one of an entire group of people. It's a cultural issue that just can't seem be fixed. When they do terrible shit to one another it's normal to them because that's just how they've seen the world work. Kind of how black DAs don't want to prosecute black criminals -they're part of an in-group where that kind of shit is just the way life goes for them. When other people, whitey in this case, demands they play by the rules and be accountable to the standards of society, they collectively say "fuck you,authority figure!" because they never had to answer to authority before. They don't even know what that means.

 

[#KillAllPedos]

Yes, laughing at your autistic race-realist shit proves that I'm the thinskinned one who can't handle the deep and intricate political discussions of 'lol niggers'.

What does the race realism discussion have to do with the "lol niggers" discussion? They are two very distinct lines of thought.

 

[Green-Machine]

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1280219823025209344

"A parent murdered in broad daylight with their daughter by their side. This is De Blasio's New York City."

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that poor child, these are the things that need to be protested on, There needs to be an society reform not a Police reform, hold everyone accountable for deeds like this, and stop condoning it and sweeping it under the rug

 

[Frank N Berry]

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/atlanta/gov-sign-executive-order-authorizing-1000-national-guard-troops-atlanta/CXEFKU4ZONEWVN4DWLNB52F644/

 

[Jump]

Let's frame "political intervention" as "globalism" instead of "colonialism" for this case.

Do you think the rust belt will be able to recover from globalism within one or two generations?

Parts of the rust belt have already adapted to globalism. I live in an old New England mill town that was wrecked in the 1980s when everything left for Asia and later NAFTA. Over the last 2 decades it has recovered and moved to a service based economy and aero space manufacturing. Now it's a comfy place.

Now cities like Detroit and flint will never recover. What so different about Detroit compared to other old rust towns that have recovered ?

 

[Str8Bustah]

Yes, laughing at your autistic race-realist shit proves that I'm the thinskinned one who can't handle the deep and intricate political discussions of 'lol niggers'.

Don't mean to butt in but this post does make you sound like you're seething.
Have you ever considered just not replying? It's not like you're going to win or lose anything from it.

 

[Overly Serious]

What would you say to someone who suggested that the issues among blacks in africa are tied to the "economic oppression" by other countries?

I'd say there are significant examples of exactly that. France directly controls the currencies of fourteen African nations. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFA_franc). These countries don't have one of the most basic tools used to manage the economy that most Western countries do. If you want to see the results of a similar situation in a Western country look at Greece. Greece snuck into the EU when it really shouldn't have been allowed to. But they paid a huge price for it because when they desperately needed to adjust their interest rates to deal with the European financial crisis, they couldn't do it without approval of the central European Bank. One of the reasons the UK recovered so much more quickly than other European nations was due to control over its own currency. Libya was one of the few nations in the world not in hoc to the IMF or World Bank with large gold reserves, large oil reserves and minimal national debt. Gaddaffi proposed using Libya's gold reserves to back an "African Euro". That would have created (eventually, over fifty years or so) a serious economic problem for the West and would also have meant an end to France's currency control over those fourteen African nations. France was one of the main parties pushing for an attack on Libya (Hillary Clinton was the other). Libya was subsequently destroyed and the "rebels" that the West backed were taking out billion dollar loans secured by Libya's oil assets whilst they still barely held Benghazi, let along the capital city on the other side of the country. At Western government's urgings.

Ethiopia was a country with a very long history. Soviets backed communist insurgents there and instituted a communist regime that fucked over right up until 1991. There are few things that fuck your economy like communism.

Somalia had a modestly successful trade economy in times past that somewhat persisted into the modern era until Germany, Italy and Britain carved it up like a piece of cake. Decades of proxy fighting, growing resentment and an eventual military coup led to a situation so bad that the Arab League looked like a step up to them.

The EU has for decades levied substantial tariffs against farmers in North Africa to protect industries in Spain and Italy (sorry, EmuWars!). Only now that the UK is leaving are they free to trade with African farmers on a level playing field. Moroccan oranges ahoy! The EU is the word's largest (and Whitest) protectionist state and it's blackly hillarious when people criticise pro-brexit people as being xenophobes.

You don't have to be an anti-capitalist to recognize that Western nations look out for themselves. We'll toss aid money to these countries (and often tie it to those governments enacting policies we approve of). The IMF attaches strict policy agreements to their loans to the developing world. (Some of those conditions are a good thing mind you, but worth mentioning).

It takes at least three generations for a society to become relatively normal after a significant social or government upheaval, as well. The first generation never truly recovers. Their children are messed up. The third generation is, hopefully, starting to get used to the idea of stability and not killing your neighbour.

Capitalism and free trade are tremendous engines for prosperity. Don't make the mistake of thinking that recognizing that means you have to think the West are exemplars of fair play. We exploit other countries all the time, you just don't notice most of it. Socialists are always pointing out such injustices. They're not wrong. Just wrong about what the solution is. The UK refused to return Venezuela's gold reserves to it. They're waiting for a new government that wont ask for it back. The USA used its political and military weight to prevent other countries purchasing Venezuelan oil - free trade in action! Does any of this mean that Venezuela didn't fuck over its own economy massively with a hard-socialist government and forced nationalisations? No. But it does mean we shouldn't pretend it's a level playing field.

Africa is fucking huge. Plenty of countries there are having problems of their own making. (Doesn't help when you have substantial angry Muslim populations in several of them). But if someone says Western economic oppression has armed African nations, there's a long list of examples of that so don't fall into the trap of thinking just because someone is your ideological opponent they can never have facts that support what they say. That just makes you look like an ideologue yourself.

Hope that was of interest.

 

[DumbDude42]

Let's frame "political intervention" as "globalism" instead of "colonialism" for this case.

Do you think the rust belt will be able to recover from globalism within one or two generations?

trick question, the rust belt is also full of nogs lol
more serious answer: the deindustrialisation and economic decline in parts of america are not even comparable to the kind of absolutely brutal shit that various nations have been subject to throughout history. you can't seriously compare the closing of car manufacturing plants in detroit to the atrocities in the belgian congo, it is absolutely absurd.

some more drastic examples you COULD compare the congo situation to:
>korea
first they were subjugated by imperial japan, then had nearly the whole peninsula brutalized by the korean war. post war SK was a place of destitute poverty, yet within roughly half a century they built up the place into one of the wealthiest and best developed nations in all of east asia, rivaling even japan in status now.

>poland
subjugated by the germans and russians, had basically their entire upper class exterminated in a series of massacres by both the nazis and the soviets, then later the entire country was violently enslaved by the german occupation force, millions of poles (not just jews, ethnic poles as well) genocided, the entire capital city razed to the fucking ground, and when the nightmare was over came another 40 years of being a moscow-controlled vassal state for the soviets.
but fast forward to current year, poland is a very liveable and nice place again, close to parity with western europe in terms of living standards.

there's a bunch of other cases like this in history, dont even have to go back very far,

 

[stupidpieceofshit]

that poor child, these are the things that need to be protested on, There needs to be an society reform not a Police reform, hold everyone accountable for deeds like this, and stop condoning it and sweeping it under the rug

My heart breaks for that poor child. Where the fuck is BLM, where the fuck are the gofundmes for all the therapy that child will need (being there as their parent was killed will fuck up anyone, let alone a child), and to help support the surviving members of the family as they grow up.

Parts of the rust belt have already adapted to globalism. I live in an old New England mill town that was wrecked in the 1980s when everything left for Asia and later NAFTA. Over the last 2 decades it has recovered and moved to a service based economy and aero space manufacturing. Now it's a comfy place.

Now cities like Detroit and flint will never recover. What so different about Detroit compared to other old rust towns that have recovered ?

Detroit is recovering, the fact that over a month in to the protest the worst things that has happened is protesters swarming a police car, is a huge improvement for Detroit (+all the money being poured in to Detroit with large businesses moving out of the suburbs and in to Detroit).

 

[Nom Carver]

The moderation on this site is hilarious. All of you are bluepilled, yet want to make fun of fat people and autists because they can't really defend themselves. They're the low hanging fruit to make yourself feel better. You really should stick to that game, political discussion isn't your strong suit.

Really? All it took was a moderator making a purposefully stupid, sarcastic remark to make you sperg out like that?

 

[Rich Evans Apologist]

Parts of the rust belt have already adapted to globalism. I live in an old New England mill town that was wrecked in the 1980s when everything left for Asia and later NAFTA. Over the last 2 decades it has recovered and moved to a service based economy and aero space manufacturing. Now it's a comfy place.

Now cities like Detroit and flint will never recover. What so different about Detroit compared to other old rust towns that have recovered ?

I'm also in a place that shifted to services, largely financial and biomedical. But for smaller towns, they're by and large hugely dead - if they do revive, it's on the back of gentrification and speculation. Plenty of places I know of, the smaller blips between towns of some size or import, I don't think are ever really going to crawl out of it, not with rates of divorce, drug use & death, abuse, homelessness, welfare dependency, so-on. I'm talking about places I don't see getting out basically ever - not until they essentially die off.

trick question, the rust belt is also full of nogs lol
more serious answer: the deindustrialisation and economic decline in parts of america are not even comparable to the kind of absolutely brutal shit that various nations have been subject to throughout history. you can't seriously compare the closing of car manufacturing plants in detroit to the atrocities in the belgian congo, it is absolutely absurd.

some more drastic examples you COULD compare the congo situation to:
>korea
first they were subjugated by imperial japan, then had nearly the whole peninsula brutalized by the korean war. post war SK was a place of destitute poverty, yet within roughly half a century they built up the place into one of the wealthiest and best developed nations in all of east asia, rivaling even japan in status now.

>poland
subjugated by the germans and russians, had basically their entire upper class exterminated in a series of massacres by both the nazis and the soviets, then later the entire country was violently enslaved by the german occupation force, millions of poles (not just jews, ethnic poles as well) genocided, the entire capital city razed to the fucking ground, and when the nightmare was over came another 40 years of being a moscow-controlled vassal state for the soviets.
but fast forward to current year, poland is a very liveable and nice place again, close to parity with western europe in terms of living standards.

there's a bunch of other cases like this in history, dont even have to go back very far,

The goal isn't to call them apples and apples, but just to present a situation in which someone might reasonably think that there's a population of huwhytes who aren't going to recover anytime soon due to some form of foreign intervention. If that can be established for something minor (international competition and trade deals which are largely seen as hostile to the idea of nations and the working class altogether), then you can extrapolate from there sympathy for people who've undergone the far worse shit.

But then, showing the devastation of foreign influence / colonization's contrasts between Korea/SEA in general and Poland/Soviet-Bloc in general to Africa/ME prods at the differences. Infrastructure was fucked in these places, but foreign investment did come in eventually. African countries that receive investment generally seem to do alright for a while, but even after the end of proxy wars on the continent coinciding with Soviet bloc/SEA turning their fortunes around, we see corruption take root in Africa that essentially aborts its development wholesale.

I would generally argue that Africa's issue comes from a lack of military strength affecting stability. Korea falls under the American bulwark, as does Poland. China and Russia both use some degree of soft or sharp power with those two countries, but it's nothing compared to the Turks and Russians getting up to some fun in Libya after the US had its jolly time. Africa needs a competent military dictatorship that doesn't get undermined by foreign interference or falling captive to corruption - once it gets one of those guys in, I think it'll be worth watching how the state develops. That's part of why Rwanda's so interesting. The rest of the continent, with middling leaders and no real semblance of military-backed stability, is going to continue to be languid. Get me mufasa the magnificent

 

[Overly Serious]

oh yeah i fully agree, the legal system in this area is a disaster. there would need to be far reaching reorganisation of both the law itself and the institutions that carry it out.
right now there are enormous amounts of incentives that encourage single motherhood and make it both profitable and convenient - some to the detriment of fathers, some to the detriment of the state. all of those would have to be removed in order to correct the current downward trajectory.

I think it's a mistake to think there's any good legal fix to a social problem. There is certainly some fine-tuning that could be done but ultimately nothing's going to do more than put a finger in the dyke when lack of family structure and personal responsibility is pervasive.

Really? All it took was a moderator making a purposefully stupid, sarcastic remark to make you sperg out like that?

We have moderators?

 

[The giant penis of doom]

Anyone who is not a race realist is in denial. This is just a fact, don't be mad at me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
This is not a lolcow thread, not sure why modboi expects the same kind of discussion here.

 

[Otterly]

If we used the same arguments for areas in the US, we'd get laughed at because people should be able to recover within a generation or two's time. It goes to show how black people are held to a lower standard than White people, and yet that's somehow not racist. Look at the rust belt and other economic regions in the US. Hell, the whole south post Civil War era could be used as an example. If White people argued that there was a correlation between any of those events and not being able to recover, we'd be laughed at.

Low expectations of black culture and peoples lead to people making every excuse in the book for them.

Yeah, I’m definitely not arguing the ‘generational trauma excuses you from trying’ angle. I think that’s defeatist bullshit that’s used to keep people dependent and cases like Rwanda show that you can move on. I think it’s more that it normalises certain behaviours, like violence, and that can lead to a Specific culture - the crab bucket type.
I’ve had a few colleagues go off to various places in Africa with daft expectations and come back disillusioned. The entrenched culture in many places is one of violence, kleptocracy, disregarding for life and corruption on a massive scale. They go thinking they will affect real change and come back wiser and sadder.

You’re not allowed to talk about culture these days from any kind of angle that implies that cultures aren’t equal. Yet if you ask people if there are any cultures they wouldnt like to live in, you get them annoyed. Would they really want to be a woman Or a young boy in rural Afghanistan? No? Why not? Watch them squirm, but the real reason is culture, even if they deny it. Race and culture overlap a lot, but they aren’t hard and fast the same

 

[stupidpieceofshit]

purchasing Venezuelan oil

Doesn't help that Venezuelan oil is shit.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

no lmao
no amount of "promoting families" will undo the damage caused over the past ~70 years

what made people form stable and tight families in the first place was strictly enforced tradition, tradition originally born of necessity and hardship. that tradition is gone now, and you can't magically bring it back. to achieve that, you'll have to impose necessity and hardship again in a way that literally puts people into positions where their only choices are to either form stable families, or suffer abject poverty and perish.

end all benefits to single mothers, put deadbeat/runaway dads into forced labor camps if they are unwilling or unable to support their families. basically, you have to not only eliminate any and all incentives from single parenting, but also enact harsh punishments for behavior that leads to it. also eliminate no-fault divorce while you're at it, for good measure, and enact a bunch of discriminatory laws against children born out of wedlock.

and that's just the starting point, you'd then have to keep this up for 20 to 30 years until you start seeing results.

Single parenthood is virtually non-existent in Muslim countries because there are serious disincentives for single motherhood (the most common being the honor killing of the single mother by her family) but they also manage to produce inbreds, fanatics and grifters on a scale that far exceeds our own. So I think there's something more that's required to ensure stability and prosperity.

 

[Jarolleon]

This is truth. Just watch natgeo lol. Nature shoahed so many baby animals....



So they say that white cavemen defeated a spaceship wielding super black Wakanda civilisation after Yakub (Jacob!) improved on mankind.

Even their own power fantasy says they suck ass. White cavemen with clubs and rocks > black dream super civilisation's migthy armies and flying pyramid spaceships. How badly would they loose when both sides got the same tech?

I wonder if it was like race-flipped demolition man. These fools talk like the White Man invented war, it wouldn't surprise me if they thought Wakanda was some high-tech hippie commune that got smashed up by a bunch of proto-Klansmen adapting the tech into weapons.

It's amazing that for how much these people prop up mental health they all still seem to live in their dipshit made up fantasy worlds

If all my friends were nuts I'd consider mental health to be a high priority too!

 

[DumbDude42]

and cases like Rwanda show that you can move on.

im not sold on rwanda having moved on. what's happened there is basically that kagame and his RPF have cracked down hard and are suppressing ethnic tensions with an iron fist - kind of like tito did in post ww2 yugoslavia. i don't know if this stability will hold up in the long term, especially when he or his organisation lose their power.

Yeah, I’m definitely not arguing the ‘generational trauma excuses you from trying’ angle. I think that’s defeatist bullshit that’s used to keep people dependent. I think it’s more that it normalises certain behaviours, like violence, and that can lead to a Specific culture - the crab bucket type.

oh i can assure you the poles have plenty of generational trauma to go around. that didn't turn them into uncivilized crabbucket niggers though, it just makes them hate germans and russians with a fiery passion lol