Debate user BoxerShorts47 on "strawmans" and logical fallacies, definitions of ephebophilia, how to MAGA, religion, Sailor Moon and more

[neverendingmidi]

Shut the fuck up you retarded pedophile faggot nigger, you're supposed to be in your containment thread.

Tbf, a stopped clock is right twice a day (once if you're on 24hr). Even Pam has been known to make a coherent argument before devolving into accusing us all of being Michael Fassbender and Weinstein.

 

[Stardust]

He said previously that his favourite Digimon was Digimon World 1, so he'll probably say Pokemon Yellow or something. Because he's a fucking retard.

Pokemon Yellow? He hates Asians. It has to be Pokemon White!

 

[Terrorist]

It's not technically impossible to be both a Flip and a white nationalist...but to reconcile the two You Have to Go Back or else you're a hypocrite. If you want to Make America White Again, start with deporting yourself back to the Philippines.

 

[BoxerShorts47]

Yeah but a lot of the other things at least had a historical precedent. I think people are universally disgusted by pedophilia. I don't ever see anyone accepting something like that, nothing in the LGBTQ acronym was disagreed with ethically before that. It won't go this way and I don't even see the very first hints of it, thank god.

People were disgusted by race mixing, by gay kissing, by transgenders. You can desensitize people to ANYTHING with media power.

 

[Stardust]

It's not technically impossible to be both a Flip and a white nationalist...but to reconcile the two You Have to Go Back or else you're a hypocrite. If you want to Make America White Again, start with deporting yourself back to the Philippines.

See, that is something Ol' Boxy won't do. As the Filipino has said several times, he must be the one to lead the white nations. He is the only one with the tools to do so, and do so properly, in his own words.

Throwing realism out the Overton window, this is how the Sea Mexican believes it would go down:

- He rallies the whites with his oratory skills.

- The rallied whites revolt, placing him in charge.

- He abolishes the U.S. Government.

- New laws are crafted, which forbid non-white immigration, deports all non-whites who were born or immigrated to the United States after 1970. He admits to not knowing what to do with half-white biracial individuals, though.

- Age of consent is removed, and no 'legal' age to exist.

- Schools are segregated by sex. No big changes for boys, but girls will be subjected to Home Economics x50.

- Finally, Boxy is made king, as he wants no competing bodies to roadblock his actions.

He believes white supremacists will not only be okay with this, but unanimously support and adore a Filipino as their overlord.

 

[Popper Whiting]

 

[Popper Whiting]

People were disgusted by race mixing, by gay kissing, by transgenders. You can desensitize people to ANYTHING with media power.

And to no surprise what-so-ever the guy who argued for lowering the age of consent to 12 now talks about how anything, including pedophilia, can be normalized.

 

[Violent Ken Apologist]

People were disgusted by race mixing, by gay kissing, by transgenders. You can desensitize people to ANYTHING with media power.

I don't think this'd work. The second it becomes a clear agenda the left won't tolerate it.

 

[Getting tard comed]

I don't think this'd work. The second it becomes a clear agenda the left won't tolerate it.

Like they didn't tolerate race mixing, homosexuality, and transgenderism?

We all like, or are cool, with the first two. Third one is being normalized now and the left seems to be tolerating it. Why do you think the next one won't be?

 

[Violent Ken Apologist]

Like they didn't tolerate race mixing, homosexuality, and transgenderism?

We all like, or are cool, with the first two. Third one is being normalized now and the left seems to be tolerating it. Why do you think the next one won't be?

I dislike the left btw, I'm just genuinely aware of their standards. It's hard for me to swallow the idea this'd work. How would they go about normalising it? Could we at least agree even a fair shot at this mess would take a good 10-20 years of more subtle and concerted conditioning from all news outlets? I definitely don't think they could advocate for age gap relationships overnight and receive anything but backlash

 

[Getting tard comed]

I dislike the left btw, I'm just genuinely aware of their standards. It's hard for me to swallow the idea this'd work. How would they go about normalising it? Could we at least agree even a fair shot at this mess would take a good 10-20 years of more subtle and concerted conditioning from all news outlets? I definitely don't think they could advocate for age gap relationships overnight and receive anything but backlash

The same way all the other things were/are normalized? It isn't about liking or disliking the left. We have seen this happen already with other "social taboos". Sodomy is still illegal in Texas. It's happening right now with transgenderism! And unlike homosexuality or transgenderism theres a better way in for paedophilia with multiculturalism. Age of consent in Mexico is 12. Are you a racist bigot to Impose your culture on a different group of people you colonizer?

I get not wanting it to happen but pretending like this hasn't already happened and isn't happening now is silly imo.

 

[Violent Ken Apologist]

Age of consent in Mexico is 12. Are you a racist bigot to Impose your culture on a different group of people you colonizer?

Haven't seen them play this angle even once, amigo. They dislike Israel for their crimes too a lot of the time. Their virtues are cut and dry and often almost insatiably sterile in their lack of malleability. I don't see big credible left wing news outlets pushing your angle, I don't see this sticking with the woke crowd either.

 

[Terrorist]

@BoxerShorts47 what type of Island Mexican are you, exactly? Do you claim Spanish, "Honorary Aryan" Japanese, etc. ancestry? If so that might explain a few things. Some Hispanics who can claim more white ancestry than others in their ethnic group become obsessed with it.

 

[Karl der Grosse]

Most sea mexicans are a particularly unsavory brand of mestizo from centuries of crossbreeding with spaniards during the colonial days. Actual Mexicans are more physically attractive and, in general, a far more evolved breed of mestizo.

There are also large numbers of 5 feet tall jungle monkeys, and negritos (even smaller and uglier jungle monkeys). Negritos make the Australian Abbos look like the pinnacle of evolution.

There are a few Flips with mostly european ancestry, though they're still swarthy. They usually run things in terms of politics and large businesses. They're notoriously corrupt and nepotistic. None of them would actually succeed in a meritocracy or a modern society.

 

[drtoboggan]

All the arguments that transgenders use to normalize their behavior apply to pedophiles.
>"You're transphobic, you're causing harm to transgenders -> you're pedophobic, you're causing harm to pedophiles."
>"Pedophiles are real humans. You're trying to harm to dignity of pedophiles."
>"I don't see a problem with kids self-identifying with their gender and taking puberty blocks -> I don't see a problem with kids self-identifying as pedophilic and having sex with adults."

All a slippery sloop. First you normalize casuel sex (Who cares if your teenager has sex? Their body their choice) -> then you normalize transgenderism (Who cares if your teenage takes puberty blockers? Their body their choice) -> then you normalize pedophilia (Who cares if your child has sex with adults? Their body their choice.)

I'm sure the liberal media will find kids that love pedophilia, frame them as the victim and attack people that dislike pedophilia as pedophobic that do harm to the pedophile community. Always the same tactic.

Thanks to you I'm calling it a slippery sloop from now on.

 

[Marvin]

The same way all the other things were/are normalized? It isn't about liking or disliking the left. We have seen this happen already with other "social taboos". Sodomy is still illegal in Texas. It's happening right now with transgenderism! And unlike homosexuality or transgenderism theres a better way in for paedophilia with multiculturalism. Age of consent in Mexico is 12. Are you a racist bigot to Impose your culture on a different group of people you colonizer?

I get not wanting it to happen but pretending like this hasn't already happened and isn't happening now is silly imo.

Homosexuality or race mixing are generally individual decisions and don't have many public policy implications. They're tolerated within a socially libertarian society. "it's none of my business what two consenting adults do behind closed doors" is an attitude many Americans share.

It's also why fewer and fewer people give a shit about people smoking weed.

I think that's why there's a lot of superficial support for transgenderism, because troons are doing very well at painting it as private behavior. They gloss over the public policy implications (like bathrooms, women's sports, etc).

I think they've been pretty successful thus far about bathrooms because they keep the public deliberately ignorant about how the system works. Even if troons in women's bathrooms is nominally a public policy issue, most sane people assume there is some "process" to transitioning, one that requires troons to get their peens chopped off and chemically castrated. It's not ideal, but it sounds insane enough that people can be persuaded to handwave it away as an anomaly, something that's not realistically a big threat.

Keeping the public ignorant about the laws they're trying to pass is explicitly a stated strategy of troon activists:

Another technique which has been used to great effect is the limitation of press coverage and exposure. In certain countries, like the UK, information on legal gender recognition reforms has been misinterpreted in the mainstream media, and opposition has arisen as a result. ….Against this background, many believe that public campaigning has been detrimental to progress, as much of the general public is not well informed about trans issues, and therefore misinterpretation can arise.

In Ireland, activists have directly lobbied individual politicians and tried to keep press coverage to a minimum in order to avoid this issue.

I don't think they can keep pulling this though, at least not in the US. Thankfully, titles VII and IX explicitly protect sex based rights. There's two big cases about title IX about girl's sports right now, the one in Connecticut and the one in Idaho.

And I don't think this is something the troons can sweep under the rug either. There's something visceral about sports that they can't just gloss over.

Imagine having a daughter in track and field. Watching her train, watch her spend countless hours working to shave fractions of seconds off her times. And then this jackass steals her trophies (and her college scholarships) because he's uwu a real gorl:

Yeah... nah. That isn't going to fly with most Americans. That's unfair and you don't need to spend hours explaining it to anyone. It's just something everyone can just see.

If Trump gets reelected, I'm pretty confident we're going to see some legal precedents in the next few years that kick the trans lobby in the dick for decades to come.

I think it's a huge stretch to normalize pedophilia for the same reasons. The "angry parent" demographic will come out and will make anyone who tries to pull this shit unelectable. No national party would allow them, no national party would continue to sponsor people who vote in favor of it. It's a no-go.

Like I could see one independent in some gross, sticky district near San Fran or something proposing laws like this, but nothing that would carry to reach a governor's desk. Or even if it did, anyone who voted in favor of it would be unseated (and I think they all know better).

 

[BoxerShorts47]

The same way all the other things were/are normalized? It isn't about liking or disliking the left. We have seen this happen already with other "social taboos". Sodomy is still illegal in Texas. It's happening right now with transgenderism! And unlike homosexuality or transgenderism theres a better way in for paedophilia with multiculturalism. Age of consent in Mexico is 12. Are you a racist bigot to Impose your culture on a different group of people you colonizer?

I get not wanting it to happen but pretending like this hasn't already happened and isn't happening now is silly imo.

12 isn't pedophilia, hebephilia.
I was debating lowering age of consent from 16/18 down to ~14 and I realized that most people really don't understand pedophilia,: they conflate it with "minor" and they don't understand the historical age of consent in USA or Europe.

1. "In 1880, the ages of consent were set at 10 or 12 in most states" Modern age of consent @ 16/18 is a modern feminist policy and it's only existed for about 100-120 years. Until American feminists decided to raise age of consent, no one thought that 16-18 yrs were children. Even if we lowered age of consent back to 12, that still wouldn't be pedophilia and it would be historically normal. In the Roman Empire "The age of lawful consent to a marriage was 12 for girls and 14 for boys." I think these are fairly reasonable ages to use as age of consent even today.

2. Scientists classify human development by 3 stages:
Child: pre-puberty, no sexual development, ages: 0-10(f)/12(m) = Pedophilia
Teenager: puberty, partial sexual development, ages 10-14(f), 12-16(m) = Hebephilia
Adult: puberty, full sexual development, 14/15(f), 15/16(m) = Ephebophilia aka Jailbait
Most people think pedophilia means "sex with a minor" and this is 100% not true.

3. What is the problem with 16 or especially 18 as age of consent?
A. Criminalizing normal human relationships that have been common for all of human history that likely lead to stable and successful marriages e.g. 13-17yr old women + 18-22 yr old man.
B. Women notice that men are attracted to them sexually at age @13/14 or so and if you say "they're off limits" that means all these men are pigs, immoral for being attracted to fertile women. This is mentally confusing for women and it hurts gender relations.
C. Arrested development / peter-pan syndrome. People think 15 yr old = child and they treat these young adults as children rather than young adults which slows their mental development.

To recap, I do think age of consent is a problem and if you do the research and think about it then you'll probably also conclude that age of consent should be lowered to 15 max. if not lower 13/14 for women. I don't think age of consent is the BIGGEST problem facing western civilization but it is a problem, part of the feminist package, and will eventually need to be corrected to match human biological sexual development. Lastly very important to understand that pedophilia means under age of ~10/12 and not conflate with hebephilia or ephebophilia. if you see groups pushing to get rid of age of consent entirely or lower it below 10/12 then get worried.

 

[Alba gu brath]

To recap, I do think age of consent is a problem and if you do the research and think about it then you'll probably also conclude that age of consent should be lowered to 15 max. if not lower 13/14 for women. I don't think age of consent is the BIGGEST problem facing western civilization but it is a problem, part of the feminist package, and will eventually need to be corrected to match human biological sexual development. Lastly very important to understand that pedophilia means under age of ~10/12 and not conflate with hebephilia or ephebophilia. if you see groups pushing to get rid of age of consent entirely or lower it below 10/12 then get worried.

If I remember correctly, can't be assed googling, Japan has a age of consent set at 14, bound to be a fair others out there like that. Problem arises with the wider idea of lowering the consent laws is how the laws are written and strung up at the moment, claiming the entirety of the teens to be of equal status to that of say, a young minor in comparison to someone going through puberty. Then you get into the whole 'minor's can't consent, it's always abuse' argument. Eg, ya can't rape a minor, it's merely abuse or however they word it on the books, the particulars escape me at the moment.

 

[BoxerShorts47]

If I remember correctly, can't be assed googling, Japan has a age of consent set at 14, bound to be a fair others out there like that. Problem arises with the wider idea of lowering the consent laws is how the laws are written and strung up at the moment, claiming the entirety of the teens to be of equal status to that of say, a young minor in comparison to someone going through puberty. Then you get into the whole 'minor's can't consent, it's always abuse' argument. Eg, ya can't rape a minor, it's merely abuse or however they word it on the books, the particulars escape me at the moment.

That's feminist garbage. minor is a social construct and yes 14 yr old women can consent, they can also be super emotionally abusive and deceptive ("play games").
One of the really shitty arguments I've heard is "older men exploit a power imbalance in the relationship." Total crap. A 15 yr old women has MORE power in a relationship than 30 yr old women. Why? Because she has more options. easier for her to leave and find a different man. Women's relationship power is based purely on her fertility.
I personally think age of consent should be set at puberty per person. If you menstruate or cum then you're an adult and you're responsible for finding a mate and choosing when to open your legs.
DISMANTLE FEMINISM!!!

 

[Zeke Von Genbu]

but that’s really ephebophilia, not pedophilia

This post got a from @BoxerShorts47 so you know it is bad.