Melanie Herring / Purplekecleon / PK / PapayaKitty / GlitchedPuppet / Ash Hazel Woods / Floraverse - Abusive, manipulative SJW artist whose ex-husband fucked a dog and teenagers and whose current husband thinks he's trans because of a TF fetish, admitted to fucking two dogs and letting her cat eat her out

So what's your deal, anyway?

  • I used to be a fan of PK's and was already a Kiwi

    Votes: 236 7.9%
  • I made an account just to post in this thread

    Votes: 265 8.8%
  • I was never a fan of PK's but this shit fascinates me

    Votes: 1,324 44.1%
  • This thread is a fucking circlejerk trainwreck and I wanna watch

    Votes: 1,176 39.2%

  • Total voters
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My gut feeling is that this apology/admission was wrangled out by Pengo. There's always been whispering about Glip being a dog fucker before this on places like 4chan. But my other gut feeling is that Marl probably has the video and doesn't like being thrown under the bus these last few months/year. Both of these can be true at the same time.

Does anyone remember this?

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http://archive.md/23lHs
This is new. And threatening.

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I don't believe for a moment that Glip doesn't know Marls new handle. There has to be some reason they're quiet about it.
 
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Didn't see that one coming.
But boy did i!
Gliph had to take his toy away because he got a mass of new people looking into their pedo adventures, i knew this was gonna happen simply because this new wave of criticism didn't spawn from Marl at all, the callout was directly to him for the vile shit he posts on a regular basis, with no middle man, not even kiwifarms. And this is something they just can't afford, their whole defense and their last shield relies VERY heavily on "Marl made us do it" but this time there was no Marl, it was just Eevee, they had no shield for that and it was an entirely new section of people they got exposed too that wasn't previously invested or entangled so making up excuses for them was impossible and had to retreat instead, this also lines up on why Gliph didn't quit, the Kpop troops had all focused fire on Eevee main account, the porn one is still up (although inactive).
On top of this both Lain and Fluff came back to counter Gliph apology and call bullshit and now this:

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http://archive.md/23lHs
This is new. And threatening.
It seems their little apology backfired heavily, after Pengo decided to team up with them and grant Gliph their shield they pretty much where begging for the other two that have power over them to forgive them and grant them another shield to deflect criticism (we've been redeemed by our victims guys!) but they where denied, and rightfully so.
They already got a hit from Lain and are expecting other from Fluff, their last ditch attempt to garner pity and deflect blame failed miserably and their "Marl made us do it" shield is wearing thin as they refuse to take action but continue to run their mouths endlessly, specially Eevee who had remained as collateral damage trough the whole thing is now been exposed all by himself with no proper excuses available.
As mentioned above this could be pretty much nothing but it could also be them trying to make up a new puppet aggressor out of thin air to garner sympathy. But if its that it'd be such a desperate measure it just wouldn't work at all.
Boy oh boy mates, a shitstorm brewin' ahead
 
Holy shit, it seems like the pandemic brought a ton of shit since the last time I was here.

I had came to comment on Eevee's twitter account disappearing (can TPC or anybody else reclaim that account and use it as one of these silly in-character accounts?), and here I learned not only that PK did release the "apology", but that the files have massive amounts of text. I haven't read them completely yet (that's gonna take a while), but the thread gave me a good idea of what I'm going to find. And the idea of a big shitstorm in the oven is something amusing.

However, one thing stands out to me, and its that as much as PK recalls and retells her story, I can't consider her documents genuine or honest. PK has built a very solid reputation of being untrusty, changing (or "adapting") the truth to her convenience and using any weapons available to cause pity for herself. And what I've read so far feels exactly like that. Instead of a "I'm sorry for doing (thing). Back then (this) happened, I should've seen (this) coming but I didn't. I can't make up for all the damage I caused but now I'm doing (thing) to at least make up for some of it", the apologies feel like "I accept my behavior wasnt the best. Have a full story of my life, please pity me while you read it, see? I wasnt as bad as you thought". And the Marl document, so far, feels like "Marl did this, marl did that, I turned a blind eye because marl was so good at gaslighting us and convincing us to do stuff we didnt want, marl this, marl that, we did bad stuff but we really didnt want it, please pity me while you read a full retelling of my life without saying at all if I'm going to do something about Marl, because probably I wont".

At least I'll recognize that she delivered an apology like she promised, after leading us to believe she wouldnt do it in hopes we forgot about that. I guess that's something.
However, words without actions are dead words. She can release anything talking about anybody, but if she doesnt do anything about it, then she can write whole bibles and their words will be void and meaningless.
 
Gliph had to take his toy away because he got a mass of new people looking into their pedo adventures, i knew this was gonna happen simply because this new wave of criticism didn't spawn from Marl at all, the callout was directly to him for the vile shit he posts on a regular basis, with no middle man, not even kiwifarms. And this is something they just can't afford, their whole defense and their last shield relies VERY heavily on "Marl made us do it" but this time there was no Marl, it was just Eevee, they had no shield for that and it was an entirely new section of people they got exposed too that wasn't previously invested or entangled so making up excuses for them was impossible and had to retreat instead, this also lines up on why Gliph didn't quit, the Kpop troops had all focused fire on Eevee main account, the porn one is still up (although inactive).

I can't wait for the inevitable divorce/abuse saga between Glip and Eevee when she gets fed up with him for continually making trouble for her. Marl isn't in the picture anymore to act as their sacrificial goat, and Eevee keeps stirring up unwanted negative attention with his word diarrhea on Twitter.
 
Jesus Christ at what point do you reach page fucking 200 of your rebuttal to accusations against you and still not realize that maybe, just maybe, the problem might be you and not literally everyone else in the world but you?

Frankly as fucked up as what Marl did was, seeing glip gleefully run over his dead corpse again and again with sharing every private moment he had with her in these documents is nauseating. Eevee must know he's next on the chopping block. Hope he's being really careful about what he says around her.

can TPC or anybody else reclaim that account and use it as one of these silly in-character accounts?)

Even if he actually let his account stay deleted for 30 days and not reactivate it (which we all know he will do because he loves attention too much), no. Twitter rules forbid new accounts with less than six characters. Nobody can ever have the name @eevee unless he sells them his account, which we could probably report to Twitter as a rule violation. The name's gone for good.
 
ARCHIVE 👏 YOUR 👏 SHIT 👏

Marl's apology breakdown: https://archive.md/Xswt9

Response to Lain: https://archive.md/zUv6b

Marl's apology breakdown text said:
Hey.‌ ‌This‌ ‌is‌ ‌Glip‌ ‌from‌ ‌July‌ ‌2020,‌ ‌breaking‌ ‌down‌ ‌Marl's‌ ‌"apology".‌ ‌At‌ ‌the‌ ‌time,‌ ‌I‌ ‌

knew‌ ‌parts‌ ‌of‌ ‌this‌ ‌apology‌ ‌were‌ ‌shit‌ ‌or‌ ‌a‌ ‌clear‌ ‌lie‌ ‌(due‌ ‌to‌ ‌my‌ ‌personal‌ ‌experience‌ ‌
with‌ ‌him),‌ ‌but‌ ‌Marl‌ ‌provided‌ ‌justifications‌ ‌for‌ ‌writing‌ ‌it‌ ‌how‌ ‌he‌ ‌did.‌ ‌At‌ ‌the‌ ‌time,‌ ‌it‌ ‌
felt‌ ‌like‌ ‌a‌ ‌fucking‌ ‌miracle‌ ‌that‌ ‌he‌ ‌wrote‌ ‌anything‌ ‌at‌ ‌all.‌ ‌However,‌ ‌I‌ ‌know‌ ‌it‌ ‌still‌ ‌
caused‌ ‌harm‌ ‌due‌ ‌to‌ ‌me‌ ‌not‌ ‌correcting‌ ‌&‌ ‌pointing‌ ‌out‌ ‌issues‌ ‌where‌ ‌I‌ ‌knew‌ ‌he‌ ‌was‌ ‌
not‌ ‌telling‌ ‌the‌ ‌truth.‌ ‌There‌ ‌are‌ ‌other‌ ‌places‌ ‌where‌ ‌I‌ ‌did‌ ‌not‌ ‌know‌ ‌what‌ ‌the‌ ‌truth‌ ‌
was.‌ ‌I‌ ‌intend‌ ‌to‌ ‌correct‌ ‌for‌ ‌this‌ ‌by‌ ‌doing‌ ‌a‌ ‌complete‌ ‌breakdown‌ ‌of‌ ‌this‌ ‌"apology"‌ ‌

with‌ ‌my‌ ‌current‌ ‌understanding‌ ‌bold‌ ‌and‌ ‌in‌ ‌the‌ ‌color‌ ‌purple.‌ ‌ ‌

(NOTE‌ ‌FROM‌ ‌GLIP:‌ ‌I‌ ‌have‌ ‌copied‌ ‌Marl's‌ ‌whole‌ ‌letter‌ ‌from‌ ‌his‌ ‌account‌ ‌to‌ ‌mine‌ ‌so‌ ‌that‌ ‌I‌ ‌can‌ ‌
ensure‌ ‌it‌ ‌won't‌ ‌be‌ ‌edited‌ ‌or‌ ‌changed‌ ‌without‌ ‌me‌ ‌knowing‌ ‌about‌ ‌it.‌ ‌I‌ ‌think‌ ‌you‌ ‌will‌ ‌be‌ ‌able‌ ‌to‌ ‌
understand‌ ‌why‌ ‌after‌ ‌reading‌ ‌this‌ ‌all.)‌ ‌

^‌ ‌I‌ ‌included‌ ‌this‌ ‌disclaimer‌ ‌at‌ ‌the‌ ‌time‌ ‌because‌ ‌I‌ ‌did‌ ‌not‌ ‌trust‌ ‌Marl‌ ‌to‌ ‌not‌ ‌delete‌ ‌
the‌ ‌letter,‌ ‌if‌ ‌it‌ ‌were‌ ‌left‌ ‌on‌ ‌his‌ ‌own‌ ‌Google‌ ‌account‌ ‌only.‌ ‌Marl‌ ‌was‌ ‌infamous‌ ‌for‌ ‌
deleting‌ ‌things‌ ‌(hence‌ ‌the‌ ‌trouble‌ ‌where‌ ‌he‌ ‌didn't‌ ‌have‌ ‌logs,‌ ‌and‌ ‌then‌ ‌I‌ ‌ended‌ ‌

up‌ ‌not‌ ‌believing‌ ‌Lain‌ ‌or‌ ‌BigFluff).‌ ‌ ‌

I‌ ‌am‌ ‌Marl,‌ ‌former‌ ‌partner‌ ‌of‌ ‌glip.‌ ‌They‌ ‌are‌ ‌moving‌ ‌on‌ ‌without‌ ‌me,‌ ‌and‌ ‌they‌ ‌are‌ ‌one-hundred‌ ‌
percent‌ ‌right‌ ‌to‌ ‌do‌ ‌so.‌ ‌I‌ ‌have‌ ‌abused‌ ‌their‌ ‌trust‌ ‌over‌ ‌and‌ ‌over,‌ ‌so‌ ‌many‌ ‌times,‌ ‌over‌ ‌the‌ ‌course‌ ‌of‌ ‌
an‌ ‌entire‌ ‌decade.‌ ‌The‌ ‌least‌ ‌I‌ ‌can‌ ‌do‌ ‌for‌ ‌them‌ ‌now‌ ‌is‌ ‌to‌ ‌finally‌ ‌address‌ ‌rumors‌ ‌that‌ ‌I've‌ ‌allowed‌ ‌to‌ ‌
circulate‌ ‌unchallenged‌ ‌over‌ ‌the‌ ‌years.‌ ‌

I‌ ‌had‌ ‌been‌ ‌begging‌ ‌Marl‌ ‌for‌ ‌years‌ ‌to‌ ‌address‌ ‌these‌ ‌things.‌ ‌I‌ ‌would‌ ‌ask‌ ‌him‌ ‌over‌ ‌
and‌ ‌over‌ ‌to‌ ‌please‌ ‌be‌ ‌accountable‌ ‌and‌ ‌to‌ ‌take‌ ‌some‌ ‌responsibility‌ ‌for‌ ‌what‌ ‌
people‌ ‌were‌ ‌saying‌ ‌about‌ ‌what‌ ‌he‌ ‌had‌ ‌done,‌ ‌and‌ ‌he‌ ‌refused‌ ‌constantly,‌ ‌saying‌ ‌
that‌ ‌it‌ ‌wouldn't‌ ‌matter,‌ ‌etc.‌ ‌I‌ ‌was‌ ‌frustrated‌ ‌for‌ ‌years‌ ‌at‌ ‌this‌ ‌point.‌ ‌He‌ ‌only‌ ‌even‌ ‌
wrote‌ ‌something‌ ‌because‌ ‌I‌ ‌got‌ ‌fed‌ ‌up‌ ‌with‌ ‌him‌ ‌having‌ ‌no‌ ‌answers‌ ‌for‌ ‌me‌ ‌over‌ ‌
any‌ ‌of‌ ‌his‌ ‌actions‌ ‌at‌ ‌all,‌ ‌and‌ ‌no‌ ‌way‌ ‌to‌ ‌understand‌ ‌why‌ ‌so‌ ‌many‌ ‌people‌ ‌were‌ ‌
getting‌ ‌hurt‌ ‌around‌ ‌me‌ ‌with‌ ‌him‌ ‌near‌ ‌me.‌ ‌He‌ ‌noticed‌ ‌I‌ ‌was‌ ‌getting‌ ‌fed‌ ‌up‌ ‌and‌ ‌that‌ ‌
I‌ ‌seemed‌ ‌to‌ ‌be‌ ‌serious‌ ‌about‌ ‌leaving‌ ‌him.‌ ‌ ‌

To‌ ‌me,‌ ‌writing‌ ‌this‌ ‌letter‌ ‌came‌ ‌across‌ ‌like‌ ‌a‌ ‌final‌ ‌attempt‌ ‌to‌ ‌"prove"‌ ‌that‌ ‌I‌ ‌should‌ ‌
let‌ ‌him‌ ‌stay‌ ‌with‌ ‌me.‌ ‌This‌ ‌was‌ ‌backed‌ ‌by‌ ‌his‌ ‌attempt‌ ‌to‌ ‌emotionally‌ ‌manipulate‌ ‌
Eevee‌ ‌and‌ ‌I‌ ‌into‌ ‌letting‌ ‌him‌ ‌come‌ ‌with‌ ‌us‌ ‌to‌ ‌live‌ ‌in‌ ‌Colorado.‌ ‌I‌ ‌was‌ ‌really‌ ‌sick‌ ‌and‌ ‌
tired‌ ‌of‌ ‌his‌ ‌antics‌ ‌at‌ ‌this‌ ‌point,‌ ‌as‌ ‌one‌ ‌of‌ ‌my‌ ‌friends‌ ‌had‌ ‌spoken‌ ‌to‌ ‌me‌ ‌at‌ ‌this‌ ‌point‌ ‌
about‌ ‌how‌ ‌he‌ ‌had‌ ‌harassed‌ ‌her‌ ‌in‌ ‌an‌ ‌attempt‌ ‌to‌ ‌have‌ ‌sex‌ ‌with‌ ‌her,‌ ‌and‌ ‌had‌ ‌
suggested‌ ‌that‌ ‌they‌ ‌have‌ ‌sex‌ ‌with‌ ‌our‌ ‌dog,‌ ‌and‌ ‌he‌ ‌simply‌ ‌called‌ ‌her‌ ‌a‌ ‌liar.‌ ‌I‌ ‌was‌ ‌
so‌ ‌tired.‌ ‌I‌ ‌didn't‌ ‌have‌ ‌energy‌ ‌or‌ ‌knowledge‌ ‌to‌ ‌really‌ ‌deconstruct‌ ‌his‌ ‌"apology"‌ ‌to‌ ‌
the‌ ‌fullest‌ ‌at‌ ‌the‌ ‌time,‌ ‌as‌ ‌I‌ ‌was‌ ‌focused‌ ‌largely‌ ‌on‌ ‌trying‌ ‌to‌ ‌move‌ ‌away‌ ‌from‌ ‌him‌ ‌
and‌ ‌leave‌ ‌him.‌ ‌He‌ ‌did‌ ‌not‌ ‌answer‌ ‌any‌ ‌of‌ ‌my‌ ‌questions‌ ‌about‌ ‌this‌ ‌document‌ ‌
except‌ ‌to‌ ‌perpetuate‌ ‌the‌ ‌"victims‌ ‌are‌ ‌lying"‌ ‌narrative.‌ ‌At‌ ‌this‌ ‌time,‌ ‌it‌ ‌was‌ ‌the‌ ‌only‌ ‌

thing‌ ‌I‌ ‌knew‌ ‌to‌ ‌believe,‌ ‌but‌ ‌it‌ ‌didn't‌ ‌completely‌ ‌sit‌ ‌right‌ ‌with‌ ‌me‌ ‌anymore.‌ ‌ ‌

I‌ ‌am‌ ‌not‌ ‌a‌ ‌pedophile‌ ‌ringleader.‌ ‌I‌ ‌do‌ ‌not‌ ‌spend‌ ‌my‌ ‌time‌ ‌grooming‌ ‌potential‌ ‌victims.‌ ‌I‌ ‌have‌ ‌never‌ ‌
attempted‌ ‌to‌ ‌get‌ ‌a‌ ‌child‌ ‌who‌ ‌lived‌ ‌next‌ ‌door‌ ‌to‌ ‌visit‌ ‌my‌ ‌house‌ ‌for‌ ‌sex.‌ ‌I‌ ‌will‌ ‌never‌ ‌do‌ ‌that.‌ ‌I‌ ‌have‌ ‌
no‌ ‌interest‌ ‌in‌ ‌children.‌ ‌The‌ ‌person‌ ‌circulating‌ ‌these‌ ‌rumors‌ ‌knows‌ ‌who‌ ‌they‌ ‌are.‌ ‌They've‌ ‌done‌ ‌
this‌ ‌before,‌ ‌to‌ ‌other‌ ‌people.‌ ‌And‌ ‌for‌ ‌the‌ ‌longest‌ ‌time‌ ‌I‌ ‌was‌ ‌too‌ ‌afraid‌ ‌to‌ ‌say‌ ‌they‌ ‌were‌ ‌lying.‌ ‌I‌ ‌
didn't‌ ‌want‌ ‌them‌ ‌to‌ ‌make‌ ‌up‌ ‌more‌ ‌rumors‌ ‌in‌ ‌retaliation.‌ ‌I‌ ‌thought‌ ‌-‌ ‌stupidly‌ ‌-‌ ‌that‌ ‌if‌ ‌I‌ ‌just‌ ‌stayed‌ ‌
silent‌ ‌and‌ ‌ignored‌ ‌them‌ ‌long‌ ‌enough,‌ ‌they‌ ‌would‌ ‌go‌ ‌away.‌ ‌But‌ ‌that's‌ ‌never‌ ‌how‌ ‌it‌ ‌works.‌ ‌

This‌ ‌whole‌ ‌section‌ ‌is‌ ‌a‌ ‌lie.‌ ‌At‌ ‌the‌ ‌time‌ ‌he‌ ‌wrote‌ ‌this,‌ ‌I‌ ‌wasn't‌ ‌even‌ ‌able‌ ‌to‌ ‌
recognize‌ ‌that‌ ‌Marl‌ ‌had‌ ‌been‌ ‌grooming‌ ‌me‌ ‌from‌ ‌the‌ ‌time‌ ‌I‌ ‌was‌ ‌16‌ ‌onwards‌ ‌on‌ ‌the‌ ‌
topic‌ ‌of‌ ‌bestiality.‌ ‌I‌ ‌didn't‌ ‌particularly‌ ‌like‌ ‌or‌ ‌enjoy‌ ‌it,‌ ‌but‌ ‌I‌ ‌remember‌ ‌him‌ ‌easing‌ ‌
into‌ ‌bringing‌ ‌it‌ ‌up‌ ‌with‌ ‌me‌ ‌and‌ ‌dismissing‌ ‌concerns‌ ‌or‌ ‌feelings‌ ‌over‌ ‌it.‌ ‌I‌ ‌
remember‌ ‌being‌ ‌impressionable‌ ‌and‌ ‌wanting‌ ‌him‌ ‌to‌ ‌like‌ ‌me,‌ ‌so‌ ‌I‌ ‌didn't‌ ‌have‌ ‌an‌ ‌
easy‌ ‌time‌ ‌arguing‌ ‌with‌ ‌him‌ ‌on‌ ‌the‌ ‌topic.‌ ‌I‌ ‌was‌ ‌16‌ ‌and‌ ‌he‌ ‌was‌ ‌20‌ ‌when‌ ‌he‌ ‌first‌ ‌
spoke‌ ‌to‌ ‌me‌ ‌on‌ ‌it.‌ ‌And,‌ ‌given‌ ‌that‌ ‌BigFluff‌ ‌lived‌ ‌nearbyish‌ ‌when‌ ‌we‌ ‌lived‌ ‌near‌ ‌
Seattle,‌ ‌and‌ ‌Marl‌ ‌definitively‌ ‌did‌ ‌try‌ ‌to‌ ‌groom‌ ‌BF‌ ‌into‌ ‌sexual‌ ‌acts,‌ ‌this‌ ‌whole‌ ‌
section‌ ‌rings‌ ‌hollow‌ ‌in‌ ‌several‌ ‌ways.‌ ‌ ‌

Marl‌ ‌was‌ ‌not‌ ‌at‌ ‌all‌ ‌afraid‌ ‌to‌ ‌say‌ ‌that‌ ‌BF‌ ‌and‌ ‌Lain‌ ‌were‌ ‌lying.‌ ‌I‌ ‌do‌ ‌not‌ ‌know‌ ‌where‌ ‌
the‌ ‌fuck‌ ‌this‌ ‌"afraid‌ ‌to‌ ‌say‌ ‌they‌ ‌were‌ ‌lying"‌ ‌bullshit‌ ‌came‌ ‌from.‌ ‌This‌ ‌was‌ ‌one‌ ‌of‌ ‌
the‌ ‌only‌ ‌things‌ ‌he‌ ‌said‌ ‌about‌ ‌either‌ ‌of‌ ‌them.‌ ‌He‌ ‌tried‌ ‌to‌ ‌enforce‌ ‌"staying‌ ‌silent"‌ ‌
and‌ ‌"ignoring"‌ ‌it‌ ‌on‌ ‌me‌ ‌and‌ ‌Eevee,‌ ‌and‌ ‌this‌ ‌unfortunately‌ ‌deeply‌ ‌impacted‌ ‌the‌ ‌
two‌ ‌of‌ ‌us.‌ ‌I‌ ‌kept‌ ‌Eevee‌ ‌in‌ ‌the‌ ‌dark‌ ‌about‌ ‌a‌ ‌lot‌ ‌of‌ ‌the‌ ‌pain‌ ‌Marl‌ ‌was‌ ‌inflicting‌ ‌on‌ ‌
me,‌ ‌which‌ ‌was‌ ‌stupid.‌ ‌But‌ ‌at‌ ‌least‌ ‌Marl‌ ‌admitted‌ ‌that‌ ‌yes,‌ ‌this‌ ‌was‌ ‌how‌ ‌he‌ ‌
operated.‌ ‌He‌ ‌tried‌ ‌very‌ ‌hard‌ ‌to‌ ‌keep‌ ‌us‌ ‌silenced,‌ ‌and‌ ‌it‌ ‌unfortunately‌ ‌worked‌ ‌and‌ ‌

allowed‌ ‌many‌ ‌people‌ ‌to‌ ‌get‌ ‌hurt‌ ‌in‌ ‌the‌ ‌process.‌ ‌

It‌ ‌would‌ ‌have‌ ‌been‌ ‌easy‌ ‌for‌ ‌me‌ ‌to‌ ‌refute‌ ‌the‌ ‌rumors‌ ‌when‌ ‌they‌ ‌started,‌ ‌but‌ ‌I‌ ‌didn't.‌ ‌I‌ ‌allowed‌ ‌
those‌ ‌rumors‌ ‌to‌ ‌grow‌ ‌and‌ ‌grow,‌ ‌because‌ ‌that's‌ ‌what‌ ‌happens‌ ‌if‌ ‌you‌ ‌don't‌ ‌stand‌ ‌up‌ ‌and‌ ‌say‌ ‌
something.‌ ‌The‌ ‌rumors‌ ‌just‌ ‌get‌ ‌worse,‌ ‌and‌ ‌people‌ ‌begin‌ ‌to‌ ‌believe‌ ‌they‌ ‌must‌ ‌all‌ ‌be‌ ‌true.‌ ‌ ‌

This‌ ‌is‌ ‌so‌ ‌empty.‌ ‌He‌ ‌"refuted"‌ ‌them‌ ‌to‌ ‌me‌ ‌and‌ ‌Eevee‌ ‌by‌ ‌calling‌ ‌them‌ ‌liars.‌ ‌I‌ ‌had‌ ‌
every‌ ‌reason‌ ‌to‌ ‌not‌ ‌believe‌ ‌Marl‌ ‌just‌ ‌calling‌ ‌people‌ ‌liars‌ ‌on‌ ‌these‌ ‌topics,‌ ‌and‌ ‌
instead‌ ‌I‌ ‌fell‌ ‌for‌ ‌it.‌ ‌I‌ ‌regret‌ ‌that‌ ‌immensely,‌ ‌and‌ ‌I'm‌ ‌sorry‌ ‌to‌ ‌those‌ ‌hurt‌ ‌because‌ ‌of‌ ‌
that.‌ ‌I‌ ‌had‌ ‌known‌ ‌he‌ ‌had‌ ‌hurt‌ ‌me‌ ‌using‌ ‌the‌ ‌topics‌ ‌of‌ ‌pressuring‌ ‌me‌ ‌for‌ ‌sex‌ ‌/‌ ‌
photos‌ ‌/‌ ‌to‌ ‌participate‌ ‌in‌ ‌his‌ ‌fetish,‌ ‌but‌ ‌he‌ ‌had‌ ‌made‌ ‌me‌ ‌feel‌ ‌so‌ ‌deeply‌ ‌alone‌ ‌in‌ ‌
what‌ ‌I‌ ‌went‌ ‌through‌ ‌that‌ ‌he‌ ‌succeeded‌ ‌in‌ ‌convincing‌ ‌me‌ ‌he‌ ‌would‌ ‌never‌ ‌do‌ ‌this‌ ‌
to‌ ‌anyone‌ ‌else‌ ‌and‌ ‌that‌ ‌he‌ ‌had‌ ‌changed‌ ‌and‌ ‌grown.‌ ‌He‌ ‌repeatedly‌ ‌told‌ ‌me‌ ‌that‌ ‌he‌ ‌
only‌‌ ‌wanted‌ ‌to‌ ‌talk‌ ‌to‌ ‌me,‌ ‌and‌ ‌since‌ ‌then‌ ‌I‌ ‌have‌ ‌seen‌ ‌him‌ ‌act‌ ‌as‌ ‌if‌ ‌everyone‌ ‌he‌ ‌
talked‌ ‌to‌ ‌in‌ ‌logs‌ ‌was‌ ‌special‌ ‌or‌ ‌that‌ ‌he‌ ‌only‌ ‌trusted‌ ‌them.‌ ‌He‌ ‌reinforced‌ ‌the‌ ‌idea‌ ‌
that‌ ‌he‌ ‌wasn't‌ ‌talking‌ ‌to‌ ‌anyone‌ ‌else‌ ‌about‌ ‌this‌ ‌to‌ ‌me.‌


Response to Lain text said:
Something I would like to address is the idea that Eevee and I were trying to build an alibi or that we were trying to be calculated in how she was discredited.

We were acting on the information we had, and, while we know now that Marl claiming he didn't DM Lain sexually was a lie, we (extremely unfortunately) at the time believed that lie and viewed information in that context.

I was not in a good mental state back then, and the messages and emails I got about Lain at the time had essentially perfectly aligned to fit with the lie Marl had been pushing. I had vivid flashbacks to my mom trying to get my brother to lie to the police about Marl, and one of the emails I got mentioned Lain's dad acting in a similar way.
Lain says this is not true, and I believe that now that I have taken the time to think about the situation.

I can understand how my and Eevee's actions could look calculated, and I completely agree that Marl should not have been believed, and that point is not up for debate. I should have analyzed why I felt so afraid, rather than go with the easiest answer Marl was providing. I regret ever having believed him, and regret harming those he had already harmed.

I do want to clarify however, that the messages I received were not "she enticed me! those sexy, sexy children!” as Lain put it.
The main one I received was regarding Lain picking fights in a community's chats, being banned from the NSFW channel after they found out her age, and returning via public wifi hotspost despite being IP banned. It is very possible that the person who messaged me was actually covering themselves and lying, but this had, unfortunately, aligned to a T with how she had behaved herself in our IRC at the time, and I hadn't thought to question it.
For the DA messages, I cannot really say much as I do not know the people who messaged me personally, and I am sorry if I took the word of nazis or pedophiles at face value.

I am also friends with someone who has shared their personal experiences with Lain harassing them (who is neither a nazi, nor a pedo as they are Lain's age, maybe younger), so I also felt inclined to believe them. Included is the statement they wrote about their experiences with Lain:

"When I was 13, I had started to have a few incidents with Lain that made me incredibly off-put about posting online. In late 2013, I went on to receive a message from Lain on my deviantArt group for my comic, saying Glip wanted to send me a Cease and Desist over my comic being too similar to Floraverse. I asked Glip if they actually wanted to send me a Cease and Desist, and found out this wasn't the case. My comic wasn’t even posted online anywhere yet- the dA group was just for posting my brainstorming. It was a hurtful comment that Lain made supposedly on behalf of Glip, except Glip never expressed that they wanted to issue a C&D over my personal work. I deleted my deviantArt group shortly after Lain messaged me this.

Several months later in March 2014, Lain harassed me on my tumblr over my post about how I was glad to have learned about the LGBT+ community so that I could write LGBT+ characters. She was angry that I didn’t originally plan to include LGBT+ characters in a comic I hadn’t even posted. My post was explicitly about how I was going to include these characters, now that I knew of these identities. At the time I had only just learned about the LGBT+ community, so I am confused by how else I am expected to write the experiences of people I didn’t know about previously.

In addendum, I had CORE membership on deviantArt in 2014. CORE gives you widgets to use on your gallery page, one being a widget that allows you to see who visited your profile most recently. Lain was consistently on my page view tracker. I was terrified to post any original art online unless I wanted to get hatred attributed towards it, and so I gave up on my comic.

Briefly in April 2014, Lain had asked for my Skype, claiming she wanted to apologize to me for harassing me on tumblr with regards to my LGBT+ inclusion post. After receiving my contact information, she never apologized to me for that or for any of the other harassment that made me scared to post any of my original works online. This was when I learned Lain had several tumblrs, and the tumblr she had linked to in her Skype profile had several revealing images of herself as a minor. I was also only 13 at the time, so I didn’t know how to engage this, other than continually being scared of her and for her.

I don’t expect an apology or for her to interact with this, being that these experiences are 6-7 years old now. However, I do want to let it be known WHY I was wary around Lain, and why I have a history of being uncomfortable around her. I am sorry that as a young teen I distrusted her narrative at first due to her constantly bullying and stalking me, but I realize that this is an unfair assessment. It is wholly possible for someone to be cruel to others but have been abused on their own accord, and I didn’t realize this when I was younger. I believe her account regarding her interactions with Marl, and I feel her account lines up well with the kind of person Marl is and I regret that I didn’t believe her account any sooner. I apologize for my past behavior."


It all ultimately added up to me believing Marl, which I should not have done, and I do apologize for that and for my lack of questioning... but I don't appreciate this situation being summarized as me believing a pedophilic lie from a stranger. I had a lot of conflicting information at the time, but if I had received a message like the one described, I absolutely would not have engaged with or believed the person.

I understand now that Lain was 13 at the time and dealing with a lot of abuse thus explaining her behavior, and I recognize my actions were harmful and that I discredited her in publicly harsh ways when I should not have and I apologize for that, but I also do not feel that it was completely outlandish for me to have trouble with knowing what was true when she had acted both disruptively in my community and actively deceitful to my friend, by pretending to threaten my friend using "my" name.

To restate: this does NOT dispel any criticisms of me or how I handled things. I still handled things poorly and I still hurt her and silenced her and other victims of Marl in exceedingly cruel ways that merit apology after apology... I just feel that summarizing the situation as "you believed a random e-mail where a pedophile says I was a seducer" is not accurate when there was a lot more to it, including a first hand account of a friend of mine.

I recognize this is a strange point to focus on, and I honestly considered not writing this, but I wanted to be honest and cannot overstate the confusion and fear I felt with everything during that point. Lain's fear and pain is certainly valid and she deserves apologies from me and Eevee, just as other victims and ex-fans do, but I just wanted to state my feelings here openly.

If you ever read this Lain, I hope you can understand where I'm coming from here and respect that, though I also understand and respect that you have no obligation to do so.

Lain has expressed I did not take enough responsibility for actions in the apology document, and, as mentioned before, this was not my intent but I apologize all the same. I have been trying to take responsibility currently, and it is a difficult road, but I will continue to try. I want to help those who were hurt by Marl AND by Eevee and I, our harmful actions and words included.

While we were trying very hard to understand the situation, we completely fell for Marl's lies and emotional manipulation and I am sorry for that. I am sorry for not questioning him earlier, for actively pushing his agenda and lies forward, for harming those victims brave enough to speak up to us despite our ignorance and cruelty, and for not supporting you when we absolutely should have regardless of whatever information I had believed.

I was not a very functional person at the time and I apologize. I lashed out, I hurt others, and I did not have the mental resources to be able to accurately and compassionately investigate the claims of Marl's wrongdoing at this time. It is something I regret every day.

Lain's reply addresses that I acted as though I was stripped of my agency. I did try to acknowledge where I could have taken different actions within both the apology document and the Marl document, but I recognize that I was most likely not as clear as I could have been.

I fully acknowledge and accept that just because I felt stripped of agency doesn't mean there weren't very plausible actions that I could have taken.

However, this unfortunately doesn't change that, at the time, I felt as if I had no agency when I had lived with Marl.

While Lain has the right to express herself and her feelings, I do feel somewhat hurt at the implication that I relish having no agency, as I have spent the past two years reclaiming it. I actually despise the feeling of not being in control of my self or body, as it reminds me entirely of Marl and living with him...

Again, Lain has all the right in the world to say how she feels, and share her thoughts, so I do not want to discourage that, it's just I cannot overstate how Marl slowly eroded me as a person. It was so bad that I could not tell Marl "no" without having a breakdown that lasted several hours, which was one of the points that made me decide I needed to leave Marl. I do not talk about my (seeming) lack of agency lightly, it is just genuinely how it had felt at the time, though looking back now I know I could have done much more to have helped others or leave earlier.

He was a deeply cruel and manipulative person, and I feel some distress at Lain's response, simply because I feel it paints leaving Marl as much, much easier than it was, emotionally and realistically. He, for a time, was controlling of our finances, and combined with Marl bragging about how he could get away with murder due to how he knew cops, this left me in a position where I did not feel that leaving or even seeking help was possible.

Again, it has not been until the past 2 years that I have felt able to assert my own feelings and existence. I relish my agency and am trying to use it to better myself and help others. I am again sorry for not being clear in my previous documents so I will restate:

I could have acted sooner and I did not. I could have done more and I did not. I felt as though Marl had control of me, but in the end he didn't and there are many many things I could have done, but unfortunately did not, to prevent harm he caused.

I enabled him, regardless of whether I intended to, and I then defended him and silenced his victims. I became complicit in how he functioned, and even though I didn't know what he was up to, I did not try hard enough to stop him when I knew he was abusive towards me. I should have known he would be harmful to others and done something about it.

I did a lot of things I am ashamed of, and allowed him to do a wide variety of horrible acts, of which I am also ashamed of. I apologize for my hand in all of this, though I know no one owes me forgiveness. I wish more than anything that I could have stopped him, but I didn't and that will haunt me until the day I die.

A quote from Lain:

You mention how you shivered from anxiety and fear while living at Marl’s parents (if I recall correctly.) This is not meant to be a gotcha, but after I posted the callout in 2015, when I was 14 (about a year and a half after the original incident, I am pretty sure) and you posted your responses, I was shivering out of anxiety, embarrassment (at having been smeared using my own trauma) and fear and vomiting regularly for a couple of weeks straight. It seemed surgically designed to inflict as much pain as possible, by attempting to smear and discredit me in a very demeaning way.

Though she has already stated she accepted my previous apology and that she does not want to interact further, I must restate an apology for having caused this kind of hurt. It's deeply upsetting.

If you see this Lain, I am extremely sorry for how I hurt you. No one should feel that level of fear and I am thoroughly ashamed and regretful to invoke that in you.
I have a heavy heart rereading the section about how you internalized being disbelieved, and the impact that it had on you growing up. I do not think there are words I can really express to capture the pain of empathizing with this. I could try, but I do not want to further add more about my feelings here... I would just like to say that I will take the feelings expressed here to heart.

I was extremely terrified of coming forward to talk about Marl, as I have stated several times previously, due to the extensive nature of how he hurt me. I only started speaking up and exercising my agency to talk about this situation in order to understand how people got hurt and in order to understand how to maximize harm reduction in my space in the future.

Lain expresses that it is hard for her to believe I did not know how I was hurting her, and I understand why she feels this way and do not blame her for it. Throughout most of my life, my pain has been invalidated over and over again, every time I tried to speak up, which led to me being unable to empathize very well with others. I felt constantly hurt and misunderstood by those around me, and could only focus on my own pain for way too long due to feeling that no one would care for me but myself.

It wasn't until after I had started talking to Pengo a couple of times that I felt able to connect over pain, and that people hurting me didn't mean I had to stop caring for everyone's pain except my own. I can understand how it might have come across as hurting Lain on purpose, so I do not want to discredit that I came off poorly. I just... had no understanding of Lain's situation first hand until this response. I barely understood her context at all, and only had accounts from others and my own negative experiences with her to color how I perceived her. I didn't have the right tools to even begin to understand until recently, and it wasn't until this reply of hers that I felt actually able to understand more of why she felt how she did and acted how she did, as well.

I am deeply sad to hear about what torment it was for her, but not surprised considering what I know about Marl now, and how harsh I was. I am thankful that she expressed it, so I could have a deeper understanding of what I ended up complicit in, and I apologize again for all the harm I've caused.

Lain expressed concerns over whether or not the apology was genuine because I had brought up Marl talking about his "beastiality fetish" in the IRC. To quote my exact words- "For example, Marl often talked about his sexual interests in the IRC chat within fantasy contexts (though now I know he does not actually not keep them to fantasy, which I find abhorrent)."

When we searched for what Marl had said in the logs available to us (no DMs) we ended up finding what Marl had said in the public chats. A lot was similar (but in a fantasy context) to what Lain was saying in her callout that she claimed Marl had said in DMs. Eevee and I, unfortunately still believing in Marl's lie, thought that there had been some kind of misunderstanding where Lain had read the public chat and used this information.

I can believe Lain when she says he didn't talk about outright beastility (as in, not in a fantasy context) as I also never saw him talk about that anywhere within my vision, or I would have definitely said something. I was referring to how he would talk about it as a fantasy using art, and how I knew he did that in the public NSFW IRC at least sometime during her presence in the channels. I apologize for the lack of clarity in the original apology, and for ever trying to discredit Lain. I also apologize for not seeing the red flag in Marl claiming to only be into animals in fantasy when I had already known this to be untrue, regardless of how hard Marl attempted to gaslight me.

I wish the apology could have given Lain more closure than it did. It was not my intention for it to feel like it was deflecting all onto Marl or rationalizing everything. I had thought that providing context for how the misunderstanding occurred would have given some relief in understanding that I wasn't acting out of malice, as often in apologies that helps me, but I recognize that aspect may not have mattered to Lain, and I apologize. I am still learning and have a lot of catching up to do from years of hurting others by trying to defend Marl, and I appreciate every opportunity to improve.

I am also somewhat sad to hear that the apology came across as trying to get people to exonerate me or "put feelings of guilt to rest".

I don't need or want exoneration, and I don't expect forgiveness. I do appreciate that Lain chose to accept my attempted apology, but I do not at all feel anyone ever owes someone forgiveness for how they were hurt... including if the person who hurt them was me or Eevee. I'm not interested in exoneration, as I am more interested in learning how to better address hurtful situations as they crop up in the future, do what I can to help with a situation I unwittingly enabled, and reduce harm and pain overall. Receiving Lain's account is a huge help in this way, and I appreciate it on that merit alone. I am thankful to her for the time she took in writing this, as I am sure it must have been stressful and painful.

I'd like to address her negative feelings about the FAQ section as well.

I don't always have the means to immediately understand why people feel hurt over things I have done, so the FAQ contained a lot of me trying to explain intent, and apologizing for not realizing how these things could have affected others (such as the harm in participating in a cub magazine when I was underage myself and talking about it publicly, which then led others to look up said magazine). I had suggested it as a way of addressing a bunch of things that people had felt hurt over that are frequently discussed, and Pengo had suggested sections to add for me to address other hurt.

As mentioned earlier, I find more peace in people explaining their intent to me and then apologizing for how it came across, as it gives me more information to process my own feelings and shows that they had put thought into speaking to me. I feel bad that this ended up making it feel less genuine to Lain, as this was sincerely not my intention; it wasn't meant to detract from the other apologies at all. I have received words from other people impacted that they had appreciated the FAQ section and felt some closure over it, so I had thought it was a helpful resource.

Though it came as a surprise, I still appreciate hearing Lain's feelings on this, and am considering separating the FAQ section from the specialized apologies, and considering rewriting my apology for Lain as well to better reflect what may help her.

I have to say that it did hurt deeply to read that me trying to give my account on how Marl hurt me is being seen as an abuse tactic of "forced teaming". I can understand why someone would be suspicious and cynical of me, but the goal in talking about my experience with him was a genuine attempt at connection and honesty. Nobody reading this has to believe me when I state that, as I know that I have hurt many and in the end it is my future actions that I need to improve before anyone can begin to trust me again, but I still feel the need to say it.

In the past, I had felt that anything I could say or do would be unwanted and more harmful, and I struggled because there were those who demanded apologies from me but also those who demanded I never do anything again or that my apologies were worthless. I was torn but Pengo gently urged me to try writing about Marl, and eventually it evolved into writing separate documents with one for Marl and one focused more towards apologies. He had told me that it would be something that could help others, and I wanted to believe that. I wanted to try to use my choices and actions to help those I hurt, even if I know I won't be perfect at it.

I did not give my account of Marl or try to understand where his victims were coming from as some PR stunt or as an attempt to boost my reputation, though I understand why people feel that way. I only started speaking up about this situation in order to understand how people got hurt, help people who were hurt, and maximize safety while recognizing red flags of abuse in my life and community.

Additionally, I unfortunately do not know Marl's current online username. He went by "Leucrotta" for a bit before blocking me and deleting his account, but that is all I know. If I had, I would have included it, but he has cut contact with me completely. I had contact briefly with his current partner, but they refused to give me any information outside of the fact that they believed he has "changed" and implying that he is now friends, both online and IRL, with their friends. I also want to go to the police and am exploring my options. I said I had been afraid to in the past due to Marl's obsession with bragging about being able to get away with a crime, not that I am never going to the police.

Despite what others may think of me and my attempts to apologize, I think we can all agree that Marl deserves jail time for what he's done.
 
marl said:
I‌ ‌have‌ ‌never‌ ‌attempted‌ ‌to‌ ‌get‌ ‌a‌ ‌child‌ ‌who‌ ‌lived‌ ‌next‌ ‌door‌ ‌to‌ ‌visit‌ ‌my‌ ‌house‌ ‌for‌ ‌sex.‌
glip said:
This‌ ‌whole‌ ‌section‌ ‌is‌ ‌a‌ ‌lie.‌ ‌[...] And,‌ ‌given‌ ‌that‌ ‌BigFluff‌ ‌lived‌ ‌nearbyish‌ ‌when‌ ‌we‌ ‌lived‌ ‌near‌ ‌
Seattle,‌ ‌and‌ ‌Marl‌ ‌definitively‌ ‌did‌ ‌try‌ ‌to‌ ‌groom‌ ‌BF‌ ‌into‌ ‌sexual‌ ‌acts
Remember when the Dynamic Dogfucker Duo tried to muddy the waters by deliberately conflating Lain and bigfluff's stories to make it look like Marl had never been near a child?
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Lurking for a while now but wasn't there a comic Glip did of a dog character 'raping' her own character? I believe it was something along the lines of Full Moon or something but looking back on that now has some red flags with the recent events.
 
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Lurking for a while now but wasn't there a comic Glip did of a dog character 'raping' her own character? I believe it was something along the lines of Full Moon or something but looking back on that now has some red flags with the recent events.

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but uh, I'm sure someone like opaopa or whatever super found it suoer duper empowering in recognizing his own rape so it's okay I guess even though the material is clearly framed as inviting the viewer to treat the rape as sexually titillating content or whatever

dont forget the sequel

 
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Lurking for a while now but wasn't there a comic Glip did of a dog character 'raping' her own character? I believe it was something along the lines of Full Moon or something but looking back on that now has some red flags with the recent events.
Full Moon was of Alice (a cat) raping Jacklyn/Heidi (a 'wolf' that is more a Rattata).
The closest I know is Knotted Wood, which wa some pine wolf being too 'frisky' with Nymlus' character.
 
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but uh, I'm sure someone like opaopa or whatever super found it suoer duper empowering in recognizing his own rape so it's okay I guess even though the material is clearly framed as inviting the viewer to treat the rape as sexually titillating content or whatever
Not trying to defend her, but rape is a common fantasy among women. Up to 40% of women have some type of this kind of fantasy. It is a heavily prevalent theme in the furry fandom, so I would not put much stock in that comic. It is just a fantasy, after all.
She does seem to have a few comics of her raping others, though. Full Moon, Rosehips, Mismatch, one of the comics where her husband said no and she wanted to fuck anyway, the PMD-E stuff, and not to mention all of the rape art she did recently.
 
She does seem to have a few comics of her raping others, though. Full Moon, Rosehips, Mismatch, one of the comics where her husband said no and she wanted to fuck anyway, the PMD-E stuff, and not to mention all of the rape art she did recently.
Wait; I did not know abou those!
 
glip's account of marl said:
At some point earlyish, I noticed Marl wasn't really spending time with our dog, Apollo. I told him he had either better treat our dog kindly, or that he needed to be rehomed so that he actually got the attention he needed and deserved. I felt too traumatized by big dogs at that point to be able to interact with Apollo very much anymore. Marl rehomed him shortly after. Everything about it just made me sad, and still makes me sad. He deserved a better home than the one he grew up in, and he deserved more attention than he got from either of us.

breakdown of marl's apology said:
I do not know who Marl gave Apollo to, and I pray to god it was actually someone who ACTUALLY cared about him, and not another zoophile. Marl had given Apollo away and told me nothing about it - like everything else. Neither Eevee nor I even knew Apollo was being rehomed until he was suddenly gone one day, and Marl wouldn't tell me any details. I regret not pressing harder on the matter to find out, though I do not think he would have told me even if I had.

Fuck off, Melanie. Just fuck off.

What an irredeemable shitstain. All of this is worthless.
 
One of the things that makes these apologies so fake is the people she hurt, slandered, and lied about had to come forward and repeatedly re-traumatize themselves in public to get her to admit to any wrongdoing after suffering from years of harassment and denials that they were hurt or even existed at all. That's a mega fucked up thing that they had to do. That's not their job. Self introspection, accepting responsibility, and admitting wrongdoing is her job.

In the meantime, she's still been running a weird psychotherapy abuse cult in her Discord community where she solicits oversharing from mentally damaged members and then uses that as leverage when they step out of line. Her apologies aren't worth the words when she's engaged in the same predatory behavior over a period of years. Saying that your ex-husband made you have sex with a dog, sad, but why is she only now saying that he needs to be arrested? The people that she helped to hurt have been saying that for years.

I accept that she's suffered her own share of abuse, but like I've posted in here before:
An underage person contributing to an adult cub magazine is just really sad, for the same reasons that her preying upon people that very age and younger is sad now. I imagine there were a lot of adults in her life online that were pushing her to produce more fetish content, including the publishers of that magazine who knew that she was underage at the time she was contributing to their collection. I'm sure her age was fetish bait for the publishers just as much as her art. She was an easy target considering that she already had sexual contact normalized by abuse in her home, much like many of her own fans have been abused in secret. The whole situation is a glaring indictment of the failure of her parents and the other adults in her life to protect her.

It stops being sad when you look at her today, 13 years later, and she's doing the same thing with the same justifications. Now she's the shitty adult showing porn to teens and tweens, normalizing sexual abuse, shielding predators, and denying it all the way to the bank. She's not a dumb fucking teenager anymore. Bitch is 30 years old. She's made a willful, conscious decision to groom young people just as she was groomed by the adults in her life. Every single person that she's hurt directly or indirectly by fostering her trap of a community has been name-called, shamed, and thrown into the trash. She no longer has the cloak of plausible deniability to shield herself from responsibility for her actions.

Claiming "I never actually touched a kid therefore no pedo" is a mean joke when you consider how much she's done to groom kids and protect the people in her own community and family that she knows are hurting them. Her most recent fauxpology is a bunch of "sorry my art got misused" responsibility-dodging instead of taking it on the chin like an adult.

She's been online long enough that her fanbase has been able to watch her entire journey from child sexual abuse and grooming victim into unapologetic perpetrator.

She's made an attempt at an apology now - but will she actually follow through with dismantling her pernicious behaviors and attitudes about other people? The best outcome for this is that Glip shuts down Floraverse, shuts down her Discord, leaves Eevee, and gets some industrial grade professional help. I want her to get better, but unfortunately, I just don't see it happening. Even just a month ago, she was still saying it was other people's fault that they had a bad experience with her or her content. She was still suggesting that children who were hurt by by adults were somehow responsible for what happened to them. The words that make up the apologies and the actions taken by her don't match.
 
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