U.S. Riots of May 2020 over George Floyd and others - ITT: a bunch of faggots butthurt about worthless internet stickers

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Right, so, here's the thing. The GOP, if it is somehow MORE on your side than the Democrats are, is only marginally so at best. I don't think a good chunk of the GOP even cares about the idea of a populace cowed into submission, it's just that they'd want to be cowing people for THEIR reasons. So if you're expecting the Republicans to ride to anyone's rescue, you should probably just bend over and grab your ankles now.

Ain't that the truth. *SIGH* I only say the Republicans because they are the only ones who, as leaders, have any power whatsoever to defend us without us doing as you say, and fighting physically ourselves. But any individual who stands up and fights or kills will be sacrificing themselves. Maybe if hundreds do, then the leftists will back down but I doubt it. And then you've only got a bloody civil war anyway, which isn't much better than a total societal takeover by the left and will probably still lead to the fall of our govt and society.

This is why Tucker was excoriating the GOP a few days ago.
 
I'm optimistic. Yes, 6 corps own the news. I think only reason Tucker is allowed to say what he says is because he brings in the views. If Tucker's ratings were low, they'd stop him in a heartbeat. Also Fox is the only news channel that doesn't lick the Dem's boots, most of the time. They get views because they offer a counter point vs everyone else.
Up down left right Democrat Republican what's the difference. They all work for the same corporations.
The same corporations that are currently boot licking antifa and blm.
 
Ok, what was I just looking at? This happened in NYC.
"It's safer to live in Baghdad than to live in Bill deBlasio's Safest City "

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So let's say Trump wins in November. Let's say people get really sick of this shit and want it all to stop. Is that going to be enough? The people who allow this stuff have a habit of not changing anything and doubling-down, even tripling-down. All we have of the LA riots in 1992 are some videos and stories. Now we have photos and videos of everything all the time, and the general public can see the horror first hand even though they aren't there. When will enough be enough? DeBlasio doesn't give a shit, The city council of Minneapolis doesn't give a shit, the mayor of Seattle doesn't give a shit, none of the big cities give a flying fuck about any of it. Who can bring them in line? It seems the only way to get them to do anything is to inconvenience these leaders with the same violence and activities they allow to be committed to the rest of the public.
 
How can you label someone getting beat for the color of their skin "bullshit" that seems dishonest to me. I will concede that the media feeds this anger, and stokes it for views. I don't think the news/media is necessarily doing this out of some greater evil, I don't think it's some grand design, I think it's just turned pretty racialized. Some of them may be, some of them are detestable evil (don lemon comes to mind), some of them are just stupid assholes trying to build a brand (jim acosta, and that fat nigger on NPR).

I very well may be reading you wrong, and making assumptions/

People aren't getting beat because they are Black, at least not directly. People are getting beat because the real problem with the police is that they increasingly view their jobs as a us vs. them.


Kelly Thomas was not beat because he was Black.
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My husband is in a group chat with his friends. I used to be in this group chat, but I left it considering I started to see political shit in it. It's not enough that people post on social media all of the time, but a friends group chat full of inside jokes and silly things can't even be left alone anymore.

Anyway, one of my husband's friends made the statement, "If you say ______ Lives Matter, and you don't say 'Black,' then you're an asshole." At first my husband thought it was a sarcastic comment or joke ... He was really disappointed to figure out that it was not ...

My spouse is a normie. He's leaned more conservative for the past decade, and voted for Trump in 2016, but this year has really changed his outlook on a lot of things. He's learning the sad way what the current agenda of the far left is ... Or, rather, what the current agenda of the Democrat Party is (because, let's face it: The Dems are catering to the extremists!).
 
I don't know who else here is old enough to have seen things like the LA Riots live on TV, but I find myself drawing comparisons between that clusterfuck and this clusterfuck. One thing I keep coming back to is the differences between people then and people now. It's been over a generation since Rodney King got the shit beat out of him. People are different, especially right now. People are very fucking amped and on edge, especially after the COVID shit, and there's way more of that "my right to be really angry supersedes your right to life and livelihood" attitude around. You see this if you look around a bit, all the assholes calling for heads to roll at companies for slights both real and imagined, all the sheer fucking ragebait being flashed around literally everywhere there's an avenue for it. This is not 1992, not by a long shot.

Agreed. We've referenced Rooftop Koreans here a lot, but people forget that they weren't just waving guns around for show on the roof. They were fighting actual gun battles in the streets of Koreatown, with LA gangs who targeted the neighborhood. And nobody criticized them for it. The media didn't swoop in to dox them, they weren't cancelled, they weren't forced to explain their privilege and recite slogans On The Right Side Of History.


I bring this up because underlying that entire shitshow was a common belief: that they had the right to defend themselves and their neighborhoods.

No one called them racist for trying to stop stores from burning down or homes from being shot up. Even in all the sanctimonious liberal apologia about "the community venting frustration", no one overlaid identity politics on top of families trying to save their property from destruction. Contrast that with the screeching reaction to the St Louis Cul-de-sac commandos, or the bikers who mobbed the BLM protest in Bethel, or all the image macros we have ITT from Twitter/Instagram explaining how black lives are more important than property.

We have lost the common, fundamental agreement on how civilization is supposed to work.

I'd blame terrible education and civics classes, which should have instilled a basic understanding of these concepts that transcend political systems. But I guess that was the point of post-modernism, not just to tear down the systems, but ensure the destroyers had no clue what was necessary to build new ones.
 
I don't know who else here is old enough to have seen things like the LA Riots live on TV, but I find myself drawing comparisons between that clusterfuck and this clusterfuck. One thing I keep coming back to is the differences between people then and people now. It's been over a generation since Rodney King got the shit beat out of him. People are different, especially right now. People are very fucking amped and on edge, especially after the COVID shit, and there's way more of that "my right to be really angry supersedes your right to life and livelihood" attitude around. You see this if you look around a bit, all the assholes calling for heads to roll at companies for slights both real and imagined, all the sheer fucking ragebait being flashed around literally everywhere there's an avenue for it. This is not 1992, not by a long shot.

Agreed. We've referenced Rooftop Koreans here a lot, but people forget that they weren't just waving guns around for show on the roof. They were fighting actual gun battles in the streets of Koreatown, with LA gangs who targeted the neighborhood. And nobody criticized them for it. The media didn't swoop in to dox them, they weren't cancelled, they weren't forced to explain their privilege and recite slogans On The Right Side Of History.
I bring this up because underlying that entire shitshow was a common belief: that they had the right to defend themselves and their neighborhoods.

No one called them racist for trying to stop stores from burning down or homes from being shot up. Even in all the sanctimonious liberal apologia about "the community venting frustration", no one overlaid identity politics on top of families trying to save their property from destruction. Contrast that with the screeching reaction to the St Louis Cul-de-sac commandos, or the bikers who mobbed the BLM protest in Bethel, or all the image macros we have ITT from Twitter/Instagram explaining how black lives are more important than property.

We have lost the common, fundamental agreement on how civilization is supposed to work.

I'd blame terrible education and civics classes, which should have instilled a basic understanding of these concepts that transcend political systems. But I guess that was the point of post-modernism, not just to tear down the systems, but ensure the destroyers had no clue what was necessary to build new ones.

Good overviews and legitimate analyzation, but the one key difference missing in both that also makes these current happenings an exception is the advent of the "smart" phone and social media. People have 24/7 365 access to it. This wasn't the case back then. Sure, there was 24 hour news at that point and you could watch the riots, but all they did was report the happenings. And while opinion pieces existed, the whinging was limited to opinion pieces, editorials, and disingenuous political speeches. All media now is editorializing, and they have to compete with normies, who can get the news faster than they can report it, and are all competing with each other to get out that hot take, or vid. As such, there is no in-depth analysis, no nuance, no moment to stop and take everything in. It's just a relentless onslaught with an agenda hammering away.
 
Good overviews and legitimate analyzation, but the one key difference missing in both that also makes these current happenings an exception is the advent of the "smart" phone and social media. People have 24/7 365 access to it. This wasn't the case back then. Sure, there was 24 hour news at that point and you could watch the riots, but all they did was report the happenings. And while opinion pieces existed, the whinging was limited to opinion pieces, editorials, and disingenuous political speeches. All media now is editorializing, and they have to compete with normies, who can get the news faster than they can report it, and are all competing with each other to get out that hot take, or vid. As such, there is no in-depth analysis, no nuance, no moment to stop and take everything in. It's just a relentless onslaught with an agenda hammering away.
I get the feeling that the news media at the time was more egalitarian with their 'If it bleeds it leads' coverage, if nothing else. Reginald Denny would be memory holed by the major channels now and we'd only hear of him through twitter videos insisting that he dropped the gamer word and he would never gain any coverage outside of maybe being part of a montage on Tucker Carlson if he got lucky.
 
A lot of people have noticed the similarities between BLM and organized religion, and pointed out that BLM is like a cult going mainstream and taking over society. I've been rereading a lot of books I've read since college to try and make sense of today, and saw something which articulated a point I've mentioned several times, that the rise of BLM is like the rise of Christianity in the Roman Empire.

Peter Brown is an historian who has written extensively on Late Antiquity--the fall of the Roman Empire, and the subsequent period. In his book The World of Late Antiquity I saw some things which very much reminded me of what we're seeing now, and the possible outcome of what is happening. Trigger warning, it's a bit long:

"At the end of the fourth century, the temples of the gods had survived in most great cities and in the surrounding countryside. After Constantine, they were partly 'secularized'; but they continued to be visited, and they were respected as public monuments by cultivated townspeople, pagan and Christian alike, rather like the beautiful cathedrals of some Communist states. To many bishops, however, they were a source of 'infection' to their congregations. To the monks, they were the fortresses of the enemy, the devil.
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From Mesopotamia to North Africa, a wave of religious violence swept town and countryside: in 388 the monks burnt a synagogue at Callinicum near the Euphrates; at the same time they terrorized the village-temples of Syria; in 391 the patriarch of Alexandria, Theophilus, called them in to 'purge' the city of the great shrine of Serapis, the Serapeum. Bands of monastic vigilantes, led by Scheundi of Atripe patrolled the towns of Upper Egypt, ransacking the houses of pagan notables for idols. In North Africa, similar wandering monks, the "Circumcellions', armed with cudgels called 'Israels', stalked the great estates, their cry of 'Praise be to God' more fearful than the roaring of a mountain lion. In 415, the Egyptian monks shocked collected opinion by lynching a noble Alexandrian lady, Hypatia.

Paganism, therefore, was brutally demolished from below. For the pagans, cowed by this unexpected wave of terrorism, it was the end of the world. 'If we are alive,' wrote one, 'then life itself is dead.'"


Replace religions temples with Wendy's, Targets, Confederate statues, replace "bands of monks" with "protestors", replace Bishops with "Social Justice/BLM Activists", replace "great estates" with Ken and Karen's house, replace 'Praise be to God' with 'No Justice, No Peace!' and you see scenes exactly like today.

And of course, the national leaders and politicians kowtow to the movement:
"In 390, the emperor Theodosius I massacred the inhabitants of Thessalonica when they lynched their military governor; he nearly did the same to the people of Antioch, when they refused to pay taxes. Yet he congratulated the Christians of Antioch for having taken the law in their own hands in destroying the Serapeum, one of the wonders of the ancient world."

How many leaders are now praising the protestors for toppling statues and destroying priceless art? But when vocal people want the world changed, all you have to do is roll with it and you come out on top:
"The emperor Theodosius committed the bloodbath of Thessalonica, his statues were overturned and pelted by the citizens of Antioch; yet he went down in history as Theodosius 'the Great', the exemplary Catholic monarch. He had aligned himself with the 'grass-roots' movements of the great cities of the empire. At Milan, he bowed dutifully before the bishop, St Ambrose; at Rome he worshiped at the shrine of St Peter and poured money into a magnificent new basilica to St Paul. At Alexandria, he condoned the atrocities of Theophilus. Like the duke of Plaza Toro, Theodosius the Great led his regiment from the rear; he and his court followed, with exceptional sensitivity, the seismic shift that had placed the Christian bishop and the holy man at the head of popular opinion in the nerve-centres of the empire."
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Like the Twitterati who are tiny in number but controlling the narrative, the actual movers and shakers of the early Christian movement were not at all numerous:
"The monks, of course, were never more than a tiny percentage of the population of the empire. Nevertheless, it was paradoxically just these eccentrics who turned Christianity into a mass religion. They did this largely through their ability to sum up, in their persons, the piety of the average Roman now turned Christian."

The Christian religion in the Roman Empire went from a fringe, literally underground cult to persecuted as it gained traction, to being forced to sacrifice to pagan gods, to being tolerated, and then becoming mainstream. The first Christian emperor, Constantine, was able to favor both Christians and pagans and deal with both professionally. His nephew Julian the Apostate actually tried to bring back paganism. There were debates over removing statues and altArs from places like the Senate house, but the debates could be had.

Theodosius ruled almost 29 years after Julian; but he was only 15 years younger and was in office less time than Julian. Yet he ushered in these changes, divided the empire between two long ruling but ineffective sons who had less power than the clergy. Paganism would eventually be extinguished by the sword, in one of the most brutal and total exterminations of a religion in history. Christians mercilessly converted or killed pagans and when they ran out they started rioting and fighting against each other, arguing theological minutia as more and more sections of the empire were lost to barbarians. I can't help but see the similarities between the changes in Roman society due to Christianity and the changes we are seeing due to BLM, the Social Justice movement, Intersectionality, and Marxism. And I can't help but fear that what happened to the Romans will happen to us.

BLM is a religion; it has sacrifice, praises, hymns, devotionals, chants and faith. You must donate money towards it. Worship is compulsory in society and the workplace. And this is what happens when religions take over a society. You want the playbook for what's next, read about Late Antiquity.
Jesus Nigga! I never notice this until now. Fucking scary indeed
 
That's the point of programming. It's a slow process, and it's slow so you don't notice it. Or if you do, you're made to believe you made the conscious decision to think certain things.
Still, that's kinda fucked up. Let's just hope this time with the internet we can expose the bullshit faster unlike 10,000 years ago before the internet was a thing.
 
Still, that's kinda fucked up. Let's just hope this time with the internet we can expose the bullshit faster unlike 10,000 years ago before the internet was a thing.
People do try, and sometimes it works, but a lot of the time folks look at Snopes and believe what they're fed. Best way to get actual news is to look at local newspapers. Alternatively, Kiwifarms does a good job of archiving things, but sometimes people slip up here, too. (Not that it's their fault- stuff gets updated as it happens.) Two plus two is whatever the party wants it to be.
 
The internet makes it much easier to have only a single narrative be heard en masse.
yup. Which is touched. Something is going to happen. Either a mass shooting, a bombing, or just a terrorist attack that will make this shit go worse. Either way. Rather a bunch of dead bodies on the track than more rioting and looting in my lifetime. I'm reminded of a character from Watchman.

 
Still, that's kinda fucked up. Let's just hope this time with the internet we can expose the bullshit faster unlike 10,000 years ago before the internet was a thing.
The internet makes it much easier to have only a single narrative be heard en masse.

It accelerates dissemination of information to near-instant speeds. Whether that information is true or false is completely irrelevant to the spread. So you could have enlightening information spread faster, but it doesn't matter if that info is only spread on, say, a New Zealand agricultural community site.

If you toss that info onto Twitter or Facebook, it could be lost in all the noise, or spread faster than other bits of info. You aren't guaranteed either way. And nothing guarantees the people who see it will accept it. The Internet is democratic in the worst meaning of the word.

I don't want to derail this thread even further with ramblings about the nature of the Internet. So just put it this way: we've got a great compilation of data here about specific physical acts, like those two morons in Seattle who got nailed protesting on the highway. And we pulled that data from a broader, more public site: Twitter. Yet Seattle protesters are still having a "day of rage" over their false narrative of white supremacist murder sedans.

All the evidence and data in the world won't convince someone who wants to believe in a different version of the truth. Having a way to disseminate more evidence does not change this problem.
 
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