Debate user BoxerShorts47 on "strawmans" and logical fallacies, definitions of ephebophilia, how to MAGA, religion, Sailor Moon and more

[AnOminous]

There are also large numbers of 5 feet tall jungle monkeys, and negritos (even smaller and uglier jungle monkeys). Negritos make the Australian Abbos look like the pinnacle of evolution.

This is the #1 hit on Google (archive) for "negritos." It is from the 1911 Britannica.

It then continues with some classic British era casual racism.

It sounds like our guy.

 

[Alba gu brath]

That's feminist garbage. minor is a social construct and yes 14 yr old women can consent, they can also be super emotionally abusive and deceptive ("play games").
One of the really shitty arguments I've heard is "older men exploit a power imbalance in the relationship." Total crap. A 15 yr old women has MORE power in a relationship than 30 yr old women. Why? Because she has more options. easier for her to leave and find a different man. Women's relationship power is based purely on her fertility.
I personally think age of consent should be set at puberty per person. If you menstruate or cum then you're an adult and you're responsible for finding a mate and choosing when to open your legs.
DISMANTLE FEMINISM!!!

So... you're saying that the only factor that should be accounted is the physical reactions/abilities? Can't tell if you're just playing poe, but ya do understand there's brain development stages for childhood, adolescence and all that jazz. aye? Just because someone's wanking themselves to death, doesn't mean they have reached the natural conclusion of the brains chemistry and all that. Or is that somehow feminist propaganda that's slipped by?

 

[BoxerShorts47]

So... you're saying that the only factor that should be accounted is the physical reactions/abilities? Can't tell if you're just playing poe, but ya do understand there's brain development stages for childhood, adolescence and all that jazz. aye? Just because someone's wanking themselves to death, doesn't mean they have reached the natural conclusion of the brains chemistry and all that. Or is that somehow feminist propaganda that's slipped by?

People are old enough to consent to sex by high school age, if not middle school age. Even liberals agree ironically because they teach sex ed in elementary school. Also giving people responsibilities forces them to develop faster.

 

[Alba gu brath]

People are old enough to consent to sex by high school age, if not middle school age. Even liberals agree ironically because they teach sex ed in elementary school. Also giving people responsibilities forces them to develop faster.

Sure, but that doesn't negate the issue that the chemical imbalances of say, a fully developed twenty one year old, give or take a few years depending on the gender and that of your average adolescence. That's the reason you say a minor/underage person is groomed/abused rather than raped, it's being based on the development of your average kid/teen. Not actively trying to be confrontational here pal, it's just the sciences of well, childhood development.

 

[BoxerShorts47]

Sure, but that doesn't negate the issue that the chemical imbalances of say, a fully developed twenty one year old, give or take a few years depending on the gender and that of your average adolescence.

Okay so you want to increase age of consent to 21?
A person at age 42 might say "omg I was soo immature at 21."
Even 21 would be an arbitrary cut-off.
For most of human history, by "teenager" most societies felt the person was adult enough to consent.
I don't see any data that shows raising age of consent from ~12-> 18 is providing any benefit. What I see is it's doing the exact opposite, keeping these "teenagers" in a child-like state.

That's the reason you say a minor/underage person is groomed/abused rather than raped

, it's being based on the development of your average kid/teen. Not actively trying to be confrontational here pal, it's just the sciences of well, childhood development.

I don't use "grooming" in my vocabulary. I think by this definition "parenting" = "grooming."

 

[Muttnik]

Okay so you want to increase age of consent to 21?
A person at age 42 might say "omg I was soo immature at 21."
Even 21 would be an arbitrary cut-off.
For most of human history, by "teenager" most societies felt the person was adult enough to consent.
I don't see any data that shows raising age of consent from ~12-> 18 is providing any benefit. What I see is it's doing the exact opposite, keeping these "teenagers" in a child-like state.


I don't use "grooming" in my vocabulary. I think by this definition "parenting" = "grooming."

What the actual fuck are you talking about?

There is a STARK DIFFERENCE in mental development between a teen and someone in their 20's. How many teens do you see legally drinking, voting, getting a tattoo, going to college, or playing in the lottery? The processing of consequences develops significantly when you leave your teen years behind and enter your 20's. Your brain chemistry starts to change completely, hence why mental illness often starts showing up around this period.

But a teenager is, and always will be, a child. There is no exception to that. A teen does not understand the foundations of long-term adult consequences.

Also, grooming is not associated with parenting Jesus Christ. Telling your kid to go to bed at a reasonable hour is not the same as dragging little Timmy in the back room to look at funny pictures.

 

[Sanshain]

Okay so you want to increase age of consent to 21?
A person at age 42 might say "omg I was soo immature at 21."
Even 21 would be an arbitrary cut-off.
For most of human history, by "teenager" most societies felt the person was adult enough to consent.
I don't see any data that shows raising age of consent from ~12-> 18 is providing any benefit. What I see is it's doing the exact opposite, keeping these "teenagers" in a child-like state.


I don't use "grooming" in my vocabulary. I think by this definition "parenting" = "grooming."

Who left the keys to your cage in plain sight, and who else took them from your drooling mongoloid paws and opened the door for you?

 

[BoxerShorts47]

What the actual fuck are you talking about?

There is a STARK DIFFERENCE in mental development between a teen and someone in their 20's. How many teens do you see legally drinking, voting, getting a tattoo, going to college, or playing in the lottery? The processing of consequences develops significantly when you leave your teen years behind and enter your 20's. Your brain chemistry starts to change completely, hence why mental illness often starts showing up around this period.

Look at all the ANTIFA members running wild or the Man-child epidemic. There is no guarantee that people develop past high school maturity.
To go back to my argument, if you're using "life experience" as an argument then how about we set age of consent at 2nd divorce?
35 > 28 > 21 > 14
why not just set it at 35? or 42? Women might still have a few years before menopause. Right?
You still haven't justified 16 or even 18. Why is 18 better than 16? or better than 21?
You're just being a total NPC, reinforcing the status culture because of backlash to new ideas without actually thinking about what you're saying,
Let me ask you, have you done any research into age of consent?

But a teenager is, and always will be, a child. There is no exception to that. A teen does not understand the foundations of long-term adult consequences.

Also, grooming is not associated with parenting Jesus Christ. Telling your kid to go to bed at a reasonable hour is not the same as dragging little Timmy in the back room to look at funny pictures.

This is total bullshit. You really think a 15 yr old doesn't understand what shooting a person in the head means? Teenagers are inexperienced, sure, but they're still adults or CLOSER to full grown adults than prepubescent children and that's biologically true (full sexual) maturity and this is how they were historically treated before feminism was created or we started worshiping childhood and teenager culture (about 120 years).
You're reinforcing a post-modern culture and view of children/teenager that hasn't proven to be long-term viable.

 

[Syaoran Li]

12 isn't pedophilia, hebephilia.
I was debating lowering age of consent from 16/18 down to ~14 and I realized that most people really don't understand pedophilia,: they conflate it with "minor" and they don't understand the historical age of consent in USA or Europe.

1. "In 1880, the ages of consent were set at 10 or 12 in most states" Modern age of consent @ 16/18 is a modern feminist policy and it's only existed for about 100-120 years. Until American feminists decided to raise age of consent, no one thought that 16-18 yrs were children. Even if we lowered age of consent back to 12, that still wouldn't be pedophilia and it would be historically normal. In the Roman Empire "The age of lawful consent to a marriage was 12 for girls and 14 for boys." I think these are fairly reasonable ages to use as age of consent even today.

2. Scientists classify human development by 3 stages:
Child: pre-puberty, no sexual development, ages: 0-10(f)/12(m) = Pedophilia
Teenager: puberty, partial sexual development, ages 10-14(f), 12-16(m) = Hebephilia
Adult: puberty, full sexual development, 14/15(f), 15/16(m) = Ephebophilia aka Jailbait
Most people think pedophilia means "sex with a minor" and this is 100% not true.

3. What is the problem with 16 or especially 18 as age of consent?
A. Criminalizing normal human relationships that have been common for all of human history that likely lead to stable and successful marriages e.g. 13-17yr old women + 18-22 yr old man.
B. Women notice that men are attracted to them sexually at age @13/14 or so and if you say "they're off limits" that means all these men are pigs, immoral for being attracted to fertile women. This is mentally confusing for women and it hurts gender relations.
C. Arrested development / peter-pan syndrome. People think 15 yr old = child and they treat these young adults as children rather than young adults which slows their mental development.

To recap, I do think age of consent is a problem and if you do the research and think about it then you'll probably also conclude that age of consent should be lowered to 15 max. if not lower 13/14 for women. I don't think age of consent is the BIGGEST problem facing western civilization but it is a problem, part of the feminist package, and will eventually need to be corrected to match human biological sexual development. Lastly very important to understand that pedophilia means under age of ~10/12 and not conflate with hebephilia or ephebophilia. if you see groups pushing to get rid of age of consent entirely or lower it below 10/12 then get worried.

OK Pedo

That's feminist garbage. minor is a social construct and yes 14 yr old women can consent, they can also be super emotionally abusive and deceptive ("play games").
One of the really shitty arguments I've heard is "older men exploit a power imbalance in the relationship." Total crap. A 15 yr old women has MORE power in a relationship than 30 yr old women. Why? Because she has more options. easier for her to leave and find a different man. Women's relationship power is based purely on her fertility.
I personally think age of consent should be set at puberty per person. If you menstruate or cum then you're an adult and you're responsible for finding a mate and choosing when to open your legs.
DISMANTLE FEMINISM!!!

Maybe in your third-world shithole country, 14 year olds can legally consent, but here in the civilized Western World we all hold ourselves to a much higher standard.

Even in Japan, the country that gave you the lolicon you like to whack off to, the age of consent is only 13 on paper.

13 is technically national age of consent in Japan but the actual age in most cities and prefectures is actually 18. At most, you might see it set at 17 in some really rural backwater prefectures. In practice, Japan has the age of consent at 18 because they're not a backwards third-world shithole.

@BoxerShorts47 you are a pedophile creep who blames feminism for your own predatory perversions.

In the eyes of common decency, hebephilia is just a fancy name for pedophilia.

How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, you dirty old man? Do we have to colonize your backwards nation again?

 

[ColtWalker1847]

Look at all the ANTIFA members running wild or the Man-child epidemic. There is no guarantee that people develop past high school maturity.
To go back to my argument, if you're using "life experience" as an argument then how about we set age of consent at 2nd divorce?
35 > 28 > 21 > 14
why not just set it at 35? or 42? Women might still have a few years before menopause. Right?
You still haven't justified 16 or even 18. Why is 18 better than 16? or better than 21?
You're just being a total NPC, reinforcing the status culture because of backlash to new ideas without actually thinking about what you're saying,
Let me ask you, have you done any research into age of consent?


This is total bullshit. You really think a 15 yr old doesn't understand what shooting a person in the head means? Teenagers are inexperienced, sure, but they're still adults or CLOSER to full grown adults than prepubescent children and that's biologically true (full sexual) maturity and this is how they were historically treated before feminism was created or we started worshiping childhood and teenager culture (about 120 years).
You're reinforcing a post-modern culture and view of children/teenager that hasn't proven to be long-term viable.

Young minds do not completely process or accept long term consequences making them impulsive and naive. This isn't some obscure bit of knowledge that needs volumes of research to cement as a fact. It is plain as day. They are also some of the more vulnerable people in our society as they do not have developed skills nor stored wealth to lean on which makes them susceptible to manipulators and others who will seek to take advantage of them.

That some people manage to fuck things up well into adulthood doesn't change the reality that we should not remove the protections for young people that we damn well know need to be protected from predators.

 

[Banditotron]

Boxer shorts stop fucking kids right now

 

[BoxerShorts47]

Young minds do not completely process or accept long term consequences making them impulsive and naive. This isn't some obscure bit of knowledge that needs volumes of research to cement as a fact. It is plain as day. They are also some of the more vulnerable people in our society as they do not have developed skills nor stored wealth to lean on which makes them susceptible to manipulators and others who will seek to take advantage of them.

That some people manage to fuck things up well into adulthood doesn't change the reality that we should not remove the protections for young people that we damn well know need to be protected from predators.

Okay and how does that apply to age of consent? You're repeating what the other guy said.

Again if you want to use experience as an argument then why is a 16 yr old so much more experienced than a 14 yr old? or a 18 yr old over a 16 yr old? or 21 over 18? or 28 over 21? I can make an argument that most people under age 30 are inexperienced, naive and doesn't understand long term consequences and most people over age 30 would agree with me. But that does that mean we should raise age of consent to 28? or 30? no. You need to justify why you think age X makes sense and it has to be a rigorous justification. You aren't doing that. You're being reactionary and you're pulling ideas together to justify the status quo but your ideas don't make sense when you dig deeper. .

 

[Muttnik]

Okay and how does that apply to age of consent? You're repeating what the other guy said.

Again if you want to use experience as an argument then why is a 16 yr old so much more experienced than a 14 yr old? or a 18 yr old over a 16 yr old? or 21 over 18? or 28 over 21? I can make an argument that most people under age 30 are inexperienced, naive and doesn't understand long term consequences and most people over age 30 would agree with me. But that does that mean we should raise age of consent to 28? or 30? no. You need to justify why you think age X makes sense and it has to be a rigorous justification. You aren't doing that. You're being reactionary and you're pulling ideas together to justify the status quo but your ideas don't make sense when you dig deeper. .

I swear to god, it's like you don't understand how biology works.

Let me put it in simple words so that your pedo mind can understand. The brain is the big pink squishy thing in your head that makes you think. Chemicals enter your brain that regulates your mood and ability to process reactions. When you become a big-boy, chemicals make your brain change.

The way your brain works at 14 is not the same as it works at 16. The way your brain works at 16 is not the way your brain works at 21. And so on. Girls mentally mature quicker than boys, typically at age 25. Boys take even longer, often not fully developed until 30. That said, both sexes typically enter stages of deeper learning retention in their 20's, thus giving way to the concept of consent. Teens are less developed and organized in how they process consequences, hence why teens do reckless stupid shit all the time without thinking and are drawn to juvenile fantasy shit where moral grayness doesn't really exist and the concepts are black and white.

All stages of life, true, don't understand the consequences of the next decade. Otherwise we would all be a bunch of humorless Vulcans that come out of the womb with perfect knowledge of the world. BUT, the key learning stepping stones happen once you cross the bridge from teen to 20's, thus giving you the title of "young adult". Emphasis on ADULT.

Stop trying to justify lusting over underage poon. If you're getting this frothingly frantic over mental gymnastics and justifications then I would sooner trust you in jail than near my kid.

 

[ColtWalker1847]

Okay and how does that apply to age of consent? You're repeating what the other guy said.

Again if you want to use experience as an argument then why is a 16 yr old so much more experienced than a 14 yr old? or a 18 yr old over a 16 yr old? or 21 over 18? or 28 over 21? I can make an argument that most people under age 30 are inexperienced, naive and doesn't understand long term consequences and most people over age 30 would agree with me. But that does that mean we should raise age of consent to 28? or 30? no. You need to justify why you think age X makes sense and it has to be a rigorous justification. You aren't doing that. You're being reactionary and you're pulling ideas together to justify the status quo but your ideas don't make sense when you dig deeper. .

It is about the ability to consent. Young people lack the ability to do so because they are not fully in control of themselves or their environment and largely at the mercy of others. A 30 year old in similar circumstances would also be unethical to fuck. Which is why you can't stick your dick into retards even if they really want to. Or animals. Or what the fuck ever weird shit you are into.

Age of consent laws are just generally agreed terms where society says "there is no fucking way someone younger than this can know what the fuck they are doing". It doesn't mean that anyone over that age is fair game. It just sets the absolute minimum age where someone can legally give consent under ideal circumstances. It is still morally and legally wrong to screw anyone if they are not fully in control of their faculties and situation regardless of age. Age is some dumb thing you appear to be hung up on rather than what is the important factor here consent and the ability to give it. Teens don't have the ability. Period. End of discussion.

 

[BoxerShorts47]

I swear to god, it's like you don't understand how biology works.

Let me put it in simple words so that your pedo mind can understand. The brain is the big pink squishy thing in your head that makes you think. Chemicals enter your brain that regulates your mood and ability to process reactions. When you become a big-boy, chemicals make your brain change.

The way your brain works at 14 is not the same as it works at 16. The way your brain works at 16 is not the way your brain works at 21. And so on. Girls mentally mature quicker than boys, typically at age 25. Boys take even longer, often not fully developed until 30. That said, both sexes typically enter stages of deeper learning retention in their 20's, thus giving way to the concept of consent. Teens are less developed and organized in how they process consequences, hence why teens do reckless stupid shit all the time without thinking and are drawn to juvenile fantasy shit where moral grayness doesn't really exist and the concepts are black and white.

All stages of life, true, don't understand the consequences of the next decade. Otherwise we would all be a bunch of humorless Vulcans that come out of the womb with perfect knowledge of the world. BUT, the key learning stepping stones happen once you cross the bridge from teen to 20's, thus giving you the title of "young adult". Emphasis on ADULT.

Stop trying to justify lusting over underage poon. If you're getting this frothingly frantic over mental gymnastics and justifications then I would sooner trust you in jail than near my kid.

It is about the ability to consent. Young people lack the ability to do so because they are not fully in control of themselves or their environment and largely at the mercy of others. A 30 year old in similar circumstances would also be unethical to fuck. Which is why you can't stick your dick into retards even if they really want to. Or animals. Or what the fuck ever weird shit you are into.

Age of consent laws are just generally agreed terms where society says "there is no fucking way someone younger than this can know what the fuck they are doing". It doesn't mean that anyone over that age is fair game. It just sets the absolute minimum age where someone can legally give consent under ideal circumstances. It is still morally and legally wrong to screw anyone if they are not fully in control of their faculties and situation regardless of age. Age is some dumb thing you appear to be hung up on rather than what is the important factor here consent and the ability to give it. Teens don't have the ability. Period. End of discussion.

Same garbage. You have no justification for why 16 (over 14 or 1 or 18 (over 16 or 20) is a good age of consent. You are just rambling.

 

[ColtWalker1847]

Same garbage. You have no justification for why 16 (over 14 or 1 or 18 (over 16 or 20) is a good age of consent. You are just rambling.

Ok pedo.

 

[BoxerShorts47]

Ok pedo.

Isn't it hilarious when the transgenders lose an agreement they call you a "transphobe" or the diversity freaks lose an argument they call you a "racist" or when the capitalist lose an argument they call you a "communist." You're trying the same tactic by calling me a pedo. No. I don't support pedophilia but I don't think jailbait should be illegal and you have no justification for your overly-high feminist age of consent.

 

[Muttnik]

No. I don't support pedophilia

Then don't. Because jailbait IS pedophilia. That's why it's called JAILbait.

I don't think jailbait should be illegal and you have no justification for your overly-high feminist age of consent.

I literally just explained in detail why jailbait still can't consent, using both males AND females as examples. You called it baseless rambling.

I don't know what else to say except I hope that you don't suicide by cop when the feds come to claim your ass. Do your victims a favor and life a nice long comfy life in a cell where they can taunt you on the other side of the bars.

 

[BoxerShorts47]

Then don't. Because jailbait IS pedophilia. That's why it's called JAILbait.



I literally just explained in detail why jailbait still can't consent, using both males AND females as examples. You called it baseless rambling.

I don't know what else to say except I hope that you don't suicide by cop when the feds come to claim your ass. Do your victims a favor and life a nice long comfy life in a cell where they can taunt you on the other side of the bars.

That's bullshit, Age of consent doesn't mean a 14 yr old cannot consent to sex. It just means they're limited to a few years above or below their age. You're not arguing to prevent teenagers from having sex. You're raging that teenagers should be able to consent to sex but only with other teenagers, especially multiple partners, which basically guarantees shitty pump and dump casual sex relationships. Either you're lying about your position or you're just ignorant and soo reactionary that you don't even understand your own position.

 

[Muttnik]

That's bullshit, Age of consent doesn't mean a 14 yr old cannot consent to sex. It just means they're limited to a few years above or below their age. You're not arguing to prevent teenagers from having sex. You're raging that teenagers should be able to consent to sex but only with other teenagers, especially multiple partners, which basically guarantees shitty pump and dump casual sex relationships. Either you're lying about your position or you're just ignorant and soo reactionary that you don't even understand your own position.

I never once mentioned relationships between other teenagers. Which, by the way, I'm not crazy about either, especially given the long-term effects of the risk of stds and teen pregnancy. Should teens be aware that sex is a thing that they will one day take part in? Sure. Should they understand how it works? Yes, if it helps promote an understanding of how to stay safe during future intercourse as consenting adults. But I am not wild about teens engaging in sexual acts with their peers either. It's bound to happen because teens are teens but it should still not be encouraged given the outcomes that could take place. You're only innocent for so long and you'll have decades to enjoy sex with a committed partner. You should preserve what innocence you have while you have it because everything changes the moment you become an adult. This isn't a SEX BAD argument. Sex is fine. Once you know what you're doing and you're developed enough to handle yourself accordingly. Teens don't know shit.

And no, before you drag THAT statement through the mud, I am not advocating for teens to remain children mentally either. You can reinforce maturity in your child while still protecting them from having sex when they're not emotionally ready. Teaching them how to pay bills, balance money, drive a car, sort out a career, etc. is what will ultimately make them a healthy adult, NOT the number of partners they had as a teen.

But what do I know. You'll find some autistic way to trash these arguments too because you're gung ho about raping a 14 year old.