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Alto said:
I never once mentioned relationships between other teenagers. Which, by the way, I'm not crazy about either, especially given the long-term effects of the risk of stds and teen pregnancy. Should teens be aware that sex is a thing that they will one day take part in? Sure. Should they understand how it works? Yes, if it helps promote an understanding of how to stay safe during future intercourse as consenting adults. But I am not wild about teens engaging in sexual acts with their peers either. It's bound to happen because teens are teens but it should still not be encouraged given the outcomes that could take place. You're only innocent for so long and you'll have decades to enjoy sex with a committed partner. You should preserve what innocence you have while you have it because everything changes the moment you become an adult. This isn't a SEX BAD argument. Sex is fine. Once you know what you're doing and you're developed enough to handle yourself accordingly. Teens don't know shit.

And no, before you drag THAT statement through the mud, I am not advocating for teens to remain children mentally either. You can reinforce maturity in your child while still protecting them from having sex when they're not emotionally ready. Teaching them how to pay bills, balance money, drive a car, sort out a career, etc. is what will ultimately make them a healthy adult, NOT the number of partners they had as a teen.

But what do I know. You'll find some autistic way to trash these arguments too because you're gung ho about raping a 14 year old.
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What is your logic that age of consent should be 16 or 18? why are these ages "magical?" The best. You're just ranting like a reactionary without thinking about your worldview. Even people that want a high age of consent (above ~14/15) cannot agree if it should be 16 or 18.
 
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BoxerShorts47 said:
What is your logic that age of consent should be 16 or 18? why are these ages "magical?" The best. You're just ranting like a reactionary without thinking about your worldview. Even people that want a high age of consent (above ~14/15) cannot agree if it should be 16 or 18.
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18 is entering adulthood. You're about to enter college and you can vote. You can see a rated R movie without supervision. You can drive. 18 is still a pretty naive year of life but there is enough of a budding adult consciousness to be able to regulate more mature ways of thinking. Your body has fully developed and you have reached your full height, a signal that you are better equipped to defend yourself in danger. Your parents are now a more muted part of your upbringing.
 
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I've had relatives who were raped in their teens by older men taking advantage. If this sick fuck wants to keep justifying his creepy behavior, I will gladly tango with him all night long.
 
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If our lifespans were on average a bit higher I wouldn't be against having the age of consent be the even 20. Its a nice and flat number, two decades and you're good to go. Maybe a weird idea, but imo the age of consent should fluctuate with the average lifespan, if simply for the practical (if cold) reasoning that if the populace only live to 30 then having at best 10 years to find a mate and have kids is pretty unreasonable.

On another topic, seeing all the crazy shit like nomap, plurals, and furries, what do you think will be the next wacko movement, the thing that right now seems like it would be loony to even think about?

My money is on slavery. Have no idea how the hell they're going to make it into a sexuality, but I feel as though there's enough freaks out there that are ready to make their identities revolve around it.
 
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Alto said:
18 is entering adulthood. You're about to enter college and you can vote. You can see a rated R movie without supervision. You can drive. 18 is still a pretty naive year of life but there is enough of a budding adult consciousness to be able to regulate more mature ways of thinking. Your body has fully developed and you have reached your full height, a signal that you are better equipped to defend yourself in danger. Your parents are now a more muted part of your upbringing.
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Total crap.
Those "experiences" are social constructs or bad science.
Voting used to be 21 in America.
Not everyone goes to college and historically most people did not go to college.
Movie ratings have only existed since the late 60s and they vary nation to nation.
Most women reach their full height by age 14 or 15.
Your arguments are complete crap. They are based on purely subjective/arbitrary metrics.

Alto said:
I've had relatives who were raped in their teens by older men taking advantage. If this sick fuck wants to keep justifying his creepy behavior, I will gladly tango with him all night long.
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nice try but age of consent has nothing to do with "rape" consent is still consent.

Atatata said:
If our lifespans were on average a bit higher I wouldn't be against having the age of consent be the even 20. Its a nice and flat number, two decades and you're good to go. Maybe a weird idea, but imo the age of consent should fluctuate with the average lifespan, if simply for the practical (if cold) reasoning that if the populace only live to 30 then having at best 10 years to find a mate and have kids is pretty unreasonable.
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One of the problems with a high age of consent is that men are still attracted to fertile women. Even with an age of consent of 18, women will go through high school seeing older men lusting after them (which is 100% normal human behavior) and then they're told that's wrong so now they think all men are pigs. There are psychological problems with age of consent. I don't think age of consent should be higher than 15 MAX. I can see why other nations would have lower ages like even 12, because that protects almost all children from pedophlia while also not having issues like jailbat.
 
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Atatata said:
If our lifespans were on average a bit higher I wouldn't be against having the age of consent be the even 20. Its a nice and flat number, two decades and you're good to go. Maybe a weird idea, but imo the age of consent should fluctuate with the average lifespan, if simply for the practical (if cold) reasoning that if the populace only live to 30 then having at best 10 years to find a mate and have kids is pretty unreasonable.
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I'd be cool with 20. I can't think of anyone I've ever known that was ready for a kid under that age and that's the major risk so it seems like a reasonable place to start. Another idea I had is if you can't buy a car without someone to cosign for you, you shouldn't fuck. You haven't proven yourself responsible enough yet.
 
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ColtWalker1847 said:
I'd be cool with 20. I can't think of anyone I've ever known that was ready for a kid under that age and that's the major risk so it seems like a reasonable place to start. Another idea I had is if you can't buy a car without someone to cosign for you, you shouldn't fuck. You haven't proven yourself responsible enough yet.
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People already violate age of consent regularly in America. "Omg dude she told me she was 18" just like they violate under 21 drinking laws. If you were to increase it to 20, you'd increase the amount of people breaking the law.
 
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BoxerShorts47 said:
People already violate age of consent regularly in America. "Omg dude she told me she was 18" just like they violate under 21 drinking laws. If you were to increase it to 20, you'd increase the amount of people breaking the law.
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And? Not the law's fault that there are scofflaws in this world. People drink and drive too. It doesn't mean we should get relax the laws for it either.

You wanted a reasoned argument for a specific age of consent. I gave it based on the ability to take care of a child. Either make the case that people can care for children at a younger age or argue that caring for children isn't important. "B-b-but it's too hard to enforce so let me fuck jailbait" won't fly. We have more than enough resources to enforce the law on kidfuckers.
 
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BoxerShorts47 said:
sad how fighting to decriminalize sexual relationships that were normal for all human history is now taboo while putting your kids on puberty blockers and changing their sex is moral.
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You know what else was normal for human history? Sacrificing virgins, burning cattle for Zeus, not having electricity, shitting in a hole in the ground, guillotines, Divine conquest, and mass genocide, just to name a few.

Also puberty blockers are still wrong when it comes to trooning kids out. Same arguments in relation to consent. So yeah.
 
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ColtWalker1847 said:
And? Not the law's fault that there are scofflaws in this world. People drink and drive too. It doesn't mean we should get relax the laws for it either.

You wanted a reasoned argument for a specific age of consent. I gave it based on the ability to take care of a child. Either make the case that people can care for children at a younger age or argue that caring for children isn't important. "B-b-but it's too hard to enforce so let me fuck jailbait" won't fly. We have more than enough resources to enforce the law on kidfuckers.
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This is a fairly reasonable response but it misses the big picture. An 18 yr old and a 14 yr old is a perfectly moral relationship. Nothing "harmful" about that vs 14 and a 15 yr old. Arguably better because the man has more life experience. If people are constantly breaking this law then that's a sign, not always, but often, that this law is immoral, not in line with human nature.


Alto said:
You know what else was normal for human history? Sacrificing virgins, burning cattle for Zeus, not having electricity, shitting in a hole in the ground, guillotines, Divine conquest, and mass genocide, just to name a few.

Also puberty blockers are still wrong when it comes to trooning kids out. Same arguments in relation to consent. So yeah.
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the last 3 examples are still perfectly moral you soyboy liberal.
 
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