Debate user BoxerShorts47 on "strawmans" and logical fallacies, definitions of ephebophilia, how to MAGA, religion, Sailor Moon and more

[Junkail]

puberty. could be 12, could be 16 depending on the person

Puberty and brain development aren't correlated. However, attraction to minors is inversely correlated with social development.

 

[BoxerShorts47]

Puberty and brain development aren't correlated. However, attraction to minors is inversely correlated with social development.

We already had this convo. If you want to set the age of consent at brain develop than set it at 25. Oh wait but you're not advocating that. You're just trying to use this as a moat and bailey fallacy.

 

[Absolute Brainlet]

100%. All these people are just virtue signaling the status quo culture, like the skeptics or alt-light, that virtue signaled "classical liberalism" in response to the SJW threat. But all their ideas about children, adutls and human nature are modern/post-modern ideas that would be considered extremist to anyone born before ~1880.


Just like SJWs, these people cannot win the debate. They have to shut down their enemies with labels like pedophile (SJW: transphobe or ablist).
No jailbait is not pedophila, completely different, pre vs post puberty, total science deniers.

Hey, you finally showed your mug. Now I can debate you in earnest.

Now, as @Junkail said, body puberty does not correlate with brain development. Sure, a 16 year old might already have boobs and shit, but her mind is still partially that of a fucking kid.
See, the age of consent is set to 18 (in most civilized countries, at least) because that is considered to be the point at which brain development is MOSTLY complete and the child is ready to live their own life.
And since you seem to be against that and advocate fucking kids that haven`t fully grown mentally, I`m inclined to assume that you only support such a practice simply because you`d be able to groom a 16-year old.
Now you can hide behind the label of "ephebophile", "methafentanophile", :whateverthefuckphile", but the truth is simple: if you wanna fuck a person who`s below the age of consent, you ARE a pedophile, nigga.

 

[Buster O'Keefe]

We already had this convo. If you want to set the age of consent at brain develop than set it at 25. Oh wait but you're not advocating that. You're just trying to use this as a moat and bailey fallacy.

You are a fucking retard and an embarrassment to Anglophones everywhere.

 

[BoxerShorts47]

Hey, you finally showed your mug. Now I can debate you in earnest.

Now, as @Junkail said, body puberty does not correlate with brain development. Sure, a 16 year old might already have boobs and shit, but her mind is still partially that of a fucking kid.
See, the age of consent is set to 18 (in most civilized countries, at least) because that is considered to be the point at which brain development is MOSTLY complete and the child is ready to live their own life.
And since you seem to be against that and advocate fucking kids that haven`t fully grown mentally, I`m inclined to assume that you only support such a practice simply because you`d be able to groom a 16-year old.
Now you can hide behind the label of "ephebophile", "methafentanophile", :whateverthefuckphile", but the truth is simple: if you wanna fuck a person who`s below the age of consent, you ARE a pedophile, nigga.

Your'e just pulling shit out of your ass. It's obvious you've done 0 research about age of consent and you're desperately pulling together crap to justify the status quo.

1. 16 yr old women is not a child. 100% no.

here is a 12 yr old. If you said this was a child. I would say yes.

12-Year-Old Girl's Jaw-Dropping Cover Of 'H.O.L.Y.' Goes VIRAL!

Florida Georgia Line's latest single "H.O.L.Y." is one of the hottest songs in country music right now, resulting in a string of covers from other artists and fans as well. But one young girl just blew every other cover out of the water, and it seems like you'll be hearing her name a lot from now on

countryrebel.com

Here is 16 yr old.

16 years old russian models

Police reported worrying about watching a photo of Victoria Adinetsova, 23, on the Instagram page, according to the Reuters news agen...

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100% not child. Much closer to full adult than "child"

2. Age of consent doesn't stop 13 yr old from having sex. It just means that sex has to with an age gap of ~1-2. under age of consent, it's perfectly for a 14 yr old girl to get gangbanged by 14 yr old football team after practice but if she gets into a relationship with an 18 yr old and has sex. OMG that's "statutory rape" totally devastating. But in practice it even prohibits a 18 yr old from having even a non sexual relationship with a 13.

3. "which brain development is MOSTLY complete and the child is ready to live their own life" 100% arbitrary and you're pulling shit out of your ass.

 

[Buster O'Keefe]

justify the status quo.

 

[Ascendancy0]

@BoxerShorts47 Explain, and in detail, how liberals are restricting adults from having sexual relations with 16 year olds.

 

[BoxerShorts47]

@BoxerShorts47 Explain, and in detail, how liberals are restricting adults from having sexual relations with 16 year olds.

age of consent stops 13-17 yr olds from having relationships with 18-22 yr olds. These types of relationships were relatively common throughout history and they often lead to marriage (around age 20 for women). Even today many people get into these relationships which we now call jailbait "omg dude she told me she was 18. I didn't know." Age of consent is a feminist attack on marriage, goal is to prevent women from getting into relationships that likely lead to marriage.

 

[Absolute Brainlet]

Your'e just pulling shit out of your ass. It's obvious you've done 0 research about age of consent and you're desperately pulling together crap to justify the status quo.

1. 16 yr old women is not a child. 100% no.

here is a 12 yr old. If you said this was a child. I would say yes.

12-Year-Old Girl's Jaw-Dropping Cover Of 'H.O.L.Y.' Goes VIRAL!

Florida Georgia Line's latest single "H.O.L.Y." is one of the hottest songs in country music right now, resulting in a string of covers from other artists and fans as well. But one young girl just blew every other cover out of the water, and it seems like you'll be hearing her name a lot from now on

countryrebel.com

Here is 16 yr old.

16 years old russian models

Police reported worrying about watching a photo of Victoria Adinetsova, 23, on the Instagram page, according to the Reuters news agen...

filtershekanghavi.blogspot.com

100% not child. Much closer to full adult than "child"

2. Age of consent doesn't stop 13 yr old from having sex. It just means that sex has to with an age gap of ~1-2. under age of consent, it's perfectly for a 14 yr old girl to get gangbanged by 14 yr old football team after practice but if she gets into a relationship with an 18 yr old and has sex. OMG that's "statutory rape" totally devastating. But in practice it even prohibits a 18 yr old from having even a non sexual relationship with a 13.

3. "which brain development is MOSTLY complete and the child is ready to live their own life" 100% arbitrary and you're pulling shit out of your ass.

Hoo boy, here we go.

1. Nigga, did you even look at the link you posted? It literally fucking says she`s 23.

2. "it`s perfectly fine for a 14 year old girl to get gangbanged by 14 year old football team"
No, it is not. Call me a puritan all you want, but children should not be having sexual relations at all.

3. Explain how I`m wrong then, genius. Or are you only capable of calling the opposing argument shit that your opponent pulled out of their ass?

age of consent stops 13-17 yr olds from having relationships with 18-22 yr olds. These types of relationships were relatively common throughout history and they often lead to marriage (around age 20 for women). Even today many people get into these relationships which we now call jailbait "omg dude she told me she was 18. I didn't know." Age of consent is a feminist attack on marriage, goal is to prevent women from getting into relationships that likely lead to marriage.

You are aware that such relationships were only common in rural, undeveloped areas, right? In cities, everyone seemed to be capable of waiting until their bride reaches 18 just fine.
Oh, and age of consent became a thing way before feminism evolved into the rabid beast we know it as today.

 

[BoxerShorts47]

Hoo boy, here we go.

1. Nigga, did you even look at the link you posted? It literally fucking says she`s 23.

2. "it`s perfectly fine for a 14 year old girl to get gangbanged by 14 year old football team"
No, it is not. Call me a puritan all you want, but children should not be having sexual relations at all.

3. Explain how I`m wrong then, genius. Or are you only capable of calling the opposing argument shit that your opponent pulled out of their ass?


You are aware that such relationships were only common in rural, undeveloped areas, right? In cities, everyone seemed to be capable of waiting until their bride reaches 18 just fine.
Oh, and age of consent became a thing way before feminism evolved into the rabid beast we know it as today.

bad faith arguing. You're not responding to my arguments.

1. Yes or no. were 13-17 & 18-22 relationships common in history? and did they lead to marriage? Are you redefining human morality to make conduct that was normal for basically all of human history illegal?

2. Has raising age of consent from 10/12 to 16/18 been good? Is society more healthy? more pure? i would say no because age of consent essentially guarantee that women become whores because they'll be stuck with not-serious high school pump and dump relationships.

3. Is it healthy for women to think men are pigs as soon as they hit puberty and see men physically attracted to them? I would argue that you're hurting male female relationships with age of consent, confusing women and making them hate men or hate being women. I've heard this from women that struggled with puberty, uncomfortable having breast developed and "transitioned" as a result.

 

[Buster O'Keefe]

Age of consent is a feminist attack on marriage

Translation: "I am a fully paid up member of INCEL and I am thirsty for prepubescent girls"

 

[BoxerShorts47]

Oh, and age of consent became a thing way before feminism evolved into the rabid beast we know it as today.

No. Age of consent is arguably 0th wave feminism. It was the first feminist movement to gain power around ~1880 and predates 1st wave feminism (right to vote), 2nd wave feminism (a women is the same as man, equal pay) and 3rd wave feminism (equality must be forced through diversity initiatives to counteract any inequalities). Age of consent was the start of modern feminism. Origin sin because it starts to damage male-female relationships and social dynamics.

 

[Buster O'Keefe]

0th wave

Origin sin

Fucking retard.

 

[Ascendancy0]

You're not responding to my arguments.

We don't give a shit about your arguments. This thread is your little retard chamber and we're here to observe the stupid shit you say and make fun of it. Now hurry up and sperg some more about the evil sjws and their gosh darn age of consent for a couple hundred more pages.

 

[Absolute Brainlet]

bad faith arguing. You're not responding to my arguments.

1. Yes or no. were 13-17 & 18-22 relationships common in history? and did they lead to marriage? Are you redefining human morality to make conduct that was normal for basically all of human history illegal?

2. Has raising age of consent from 10/12 to 16/18 been good? Is society more healthy? more pure? i would say no because age of consent essentially guarantee that women become whores because they'll be stuck with not-serious high school pump and dump relationships.

3. Is it healthy for women to think men are pigs as soon as they hit puberty and see men physically attracted to them? I would argue that you're hurting male female relationships with age of consent, confusing women and making them hate men or hate being women. I've heard this from women that struggled with puberty, uncomfortable having breast developed and "transitioned" as a result.

Are you just saying "bad faith" whenever possible? Because I`m pretty sure I`ve been responding to your arguments consistently so far.

1. Can`t you read, faggot? THEY WERE ONLY COMMON IN RURAL, UNDEVELOPED AREAS. And if they were common everywhere, then it was during the fucking Middle Ages, which isn`t exactly the high point of progress.

2. FROM 10/12???
In your previous post, you said this:

here is a 12 yr old. If you said this was a child. I would say yes.

12-Year-Old Girl's Jaw-Dropping Cover Of 'H.O.L.Y.' Goes VIRAL!

Florida Georgia Line's latest single "H.O.L.Y." is one of the hottest songs in country music right now, resulting in a string of covers from other artists and fans as well. But one young girl just blew every other cover out of the water, and it seems like you'll be hearing her name a lot from now on

countryrebel.com

So are you telling me we should be fucking THESE?
Just admit that you`re a fucking pedo.
Moving on, you claim that raising the age of consent has made society worse. Now tell me, are you sure that the age of consent is to blame here? Or is it simply the result of problems of modern society as a whole? I personally think the latter is correct, unless you mean to tell me that if we`d still be fucking 12-year olds, everything would be just dandy.

3. Again, raising the age of consent is not to blame here, you muppet. The reason why women are transitioning is because our society enables mental illnesses, such as gender dysphoria, and coddles the mentally ill, instead of sending them to correctional facilities.
"is it healthy for women to think men are pigs as soon as they hit puberty and see men physically attracted to them?"
Speak for yourself, incel boy. Just because you got rejected a few times for being a fat ugly unemployed shut-in that still lives with his mom, doesn`t mean that girls think all boys are pigs.

EDIT:

No. Age of consent is arguably 0th wave feminism. It was the first feminist movement to gain power around ~1880 and predates 1st wave feminism (right to vote), 2nd wave feminism (a women is the same as man, equal pay) and 3rd wave feminism (equality must be forced through diversity initiatives to counteract any inequalities). Age of consent was the start of modern feminism. Origin sin because it starts to damage male-female relationships and social dynamics.

You`re arguably the dumbest motherfucker to ever post on this website.
You wanna know why most people don`t wanna fuck children? It`s because children are fucking weak, and the children they`ll give birth to will also be weak.
Full-grown women will be able to give birth to stronger children, because their own bodies are stronger.

 

[Lonely Grave]

Are you just saying "bad faith" whenever possible? Because I`m pretty sure I`ve been responding to your arguments consistently so far.

He isn't aware that he's inadvertently committing two concurrent fallacies - fallacy fallacy and false consensus. tl;dr: He's a fucking liar and as @Ascendancy0 notes he is only deserving of our eternal mockery.

 

[Stardust]

@BoxerShorts47, to see you continually push this idea of preteen girls needing to prepare for marriage, is odd. Not to mention creepy. Societies do push the idea of marriage upon us very early, with the toys and pushy female relatives, as well as Disney princess syndrome.

Growing up, baby dolls, beauty and cooking playsets, and Barbies were the norm for myself. This is not the case for every woman, but you'll easily find more than enough who were similarly treated. The point is, at 10, 11, and 12, I was not ready for an older husband, nor would it have been enjoyable. Tell my father, that I at 12, need to be guided by a 21-year old male and he would - like most dads, I hope - crucify you on his lawn.

Anything beyond 'playing house' or home economic courses, for a 12-year old, is waifu slavery mixed with a dash of manipulator and sprinkled with incel tard delusion.

 

[Buster O'Keefe]

He isn't aware that he's inadvertently committing two concurrent fallacies - fallacy fallacy and false consensus. tl;dr: He's a fucking liar and as @Ascendancy0 notes he is only deserving of our eternal mockery.

@BoxerShorts47 is a retarded, incontinent sponge: he soaks up words and phrases and then shits them out, mostly without ever understanding them: 'Strawmans', 'bad faith' etc. I notice he's sperging about the 'status quo' in his recent posts: he's obviously just encountered the phrase and is trying it out. What a dumb bastard pedo piece of shit.

 

[BoxerShorts47]

@BoxerShorts47, to see you continually push this idea of preteen girls needing to prepare for marriage, is odd. Not to mention creepy. Societies do push the idea of marriage upon us very early, with the toys and pushy female relatives, as well as Disney princess syndrome.

Growing up, baby dolls, beauty and cooking playsets, and Barbies were the norm for myself. This is not the case for every woman, but you'll easily find more than enough who were similarly treated. The point is, at 10, 11, and 12, I was not ready for an older husband, nor would it have been enjoyable. Tell my father, that I at 12, need to be guided by a 21-year old male and he would - like most dads, I hope - crucify you on his lawn.

Anything beyond 'playing house' or home economic courses, for a 12-year old, is waifu slavery mixed with a dash of manipulator and sprinkled with incel tard delusion.

If you want a normal society where women get married at 20 and raise kids in their 20s and 30s than you need to put them on the path to marriage at around puberty. But that isn't what we do in the west. We lock them up in purely physical casual sex relationships until post college and then women spend their 20s learning the same lessons that women in the 1800s learned in their 10s.

 

[Buster O'Keefe]

We lock them up in purely physical casual sex relationships

Who the fuck is this 'we' shit? You seem to have a real problem with women. Why is this? Do they laugh at you?