Ben Shapiro - wtf I'm conservative now (liberals owned with FACTS and LOGIC)

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@FernandoPooTragedy Definitely. And what is is ironic about the women in warfare thing is that there is a shit ton of women in the Israeli military out of sheer necessity. I don't know if Benny Ben's aware of that, but I have a feeling it might be an 'inconvenient fact' he might hesitate to reveal to his Daily Wire audience.

@Overly Serious I think this is where his flaws really open up to me.

Any sword and medieval buff could easily fact check this guy on his bullshit, but I don't think facts really matter to this guy, at least not in the way he claims to mean them. I think to him it is almost entirely about 'owning the libtards' and pleasing his conservative audience, even if means heavily, heavily distorting facts to fit his bias.
 
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@FernandoPooTragedy Definitely. And what is is ironic about the women in warfare thing is that there is a shit ton of women in the Israeli military out of sheer necessity. I don't know if Benny Ben's aware of that, but I have a feeling it might be an 'inconvenient fact' he might hesitate to reveal to his Daily Wire audience.[/quote]

Ben would undoubtedly argue that guns are a great equalizer that don't require physical strength. But swinging sharpened steel apparently is solely dependent on being a strong man to be effective! I remember the first time I did knife defense in combat training. Our instructor had a very neat idea which was he gave everyone a red felt-tip pen (sharpie to Americans) and said "this is a knife. Try to get your partner and block them". I think he let us do it for around five seconds before he called halt. Then he walked round observing all the red lines on our arms and occasionally elsewhere. Remarking "two-inch gouge down your arm; cut wrist through the vein; ooh! - face" etc. Was an excellent way of pulling up young students and making them realise just how deadly weapons are. I don't particularly recall strength being a big factor in my ability to deflect knives with my bare skin.

Ben Shapiro has one main trick - taunting liberals to get Trump supporters cheering him and then trying to pivot into "and that's why we all support Israel."

EDIT: I see Ben Shapiro recently did a video on reconciling Genesis with Science in which he argues that if there's a disagreement between Science and Genesis, one of them is insufficiently understood. I actually think Faith can be a very positive thing but I find this risible coming from Mr. "Facts Don't Care About Your Feelings" who holds logic to be preeminent over belief.
 
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Mad Asshatter said:
@FernandoPooTragedy Definitely. And what is is ironic about the women in warfare thing is that there is a shit ton of women in the Israeli military out of sheer necessity. I don't know if Benny Ben's aware of that, but I have a feeling it might be an 'inconvenient fact' he might hesitate to reveal to his Daily Wire audience.
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Hate to be that guy, but the IDF withdrew women from combat arms after a uniformly disastrous showing by gender-mixed combat units in the 1949 war. They currently have a single infantry formation (the 33rd or "Caracal" battalion) that is mixed, which exists almost exclusively for publicity reasons. Aside from this unit, women in the IDF serve exclusively in non-combat roles like administration, training, supply and medical.
 
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Prompt Critical said:
Hate to be that guy, but the IDF withdrew women from combat arms after a uniformly disastrous showing by gender-mixed combat units in the 1949 war. They currently have a single infantry formation (the 33rd or "Caracal" battalion) that is mixed, which exists almost exclusively for publicity reasons. Aside from this unit, women in the IDF serve exclusively in non-combat roles like administration, training, supply and medical.
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But... all those pictures of sexy Israeli soldier girls in fatigues!
 
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On a practical level the USA has the ability to be chosey with it's troops to the point it can waste time resoarces and manpower worrying about homo's since it's got a massive population base to draw from and a culture which idealizes martial strength. With that in mind their's little practical incentive to deploy women in units. Bens a collosal faggot when he says women can't fight the issue is that they genrally can't fight as well as men.

Other countries don't really have that leisure and their's a quality to quantity as the the Red army displayed to brutal effect during ww2. Bens a biproduct of a complacant world view which will never have to consider the fact if you have 2 to the enemies 1 it really does help, even if 1 of you're two isnt as good at running.
 
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Other countries don't really have that leisure and their's a quality to quantity as the the Red army displayed to brutal effect during ww2. Bens a biproduct of a complacant world view which will never have to consider the fact if you have 2 to the enemies 1 it really does help, even if 1 of you're two isnt as good at running.
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Russia did not put women into infantry combat roles at any point in WWII. Like the Israelis, the Soviets already learned the lesson with mixed male-female infantry units early in their history (in this case, during the 1917-1922 civil war) and the results were so uniformly bad they never made another attempt, even during their most desperate hours.

Editing to make it a little bit less of a drive-by, since this is a subject massively mis-represented by pop history:

1. Women accounted for slightly less than 3% of uniformed personnel in the Soviet armed forces. That percentage was roughly on par with other major powers like the United States (2.5%), Germany (1.5%) and Great Britain (3%). Soviet wartime military casualty rates for female personnel were also roughly the same as the US, accounting for about 0.1% of total casualties.

2. The overwhelming majority of women in the Soviet armed forces (between 75-85% depending on which source you use) served in medical, administrative or logistics roles.

3. The majority of the small fraction of uniformed women in combat arms served in strictly segregated all female second-line units, primarily corps-level light artillery (mortar, heavy machine gun, anti-aircraft and signals companies). These did occasionally see combat inadvertently, but considerable effort was made to keep them away from the front. Similar second-line units existed in the militaries of most other major powers, including Germany.

4. Women in actual combat roles (aviation, armor and "snipers", although sniper in Soviet parlance is much closer to what we'd think of today as a "designated marksman" rather than the image of the independent/detached sniper team romanticized by films) were a vanishingly small percentage of total women in Soviet uniformed service, who in turn were a minuscule percentage of the armed forces. They primarily existed for propaganda purposes and had negligible material impact on operations.
 
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Yes I know the Soviets didnt deploy women in direct infantry roles, that doesnt really negate my thoughts about using them in war. They have their uses logistics and to help bulk up the numbers and their record in WW2 shows strategic advantantages in using them to to booslter your man (ahem) power.
I don't think the US has to do this because it has such a surplus on population and it's forces are becoming increasingly mechanised, but it is a very self-indulgant thought process on Ben's behalf to dismiss the idea of even deploying women.
 
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I get every reference in this but I still don't get Ben's point:
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Superkooter said:
You shouldn't be listening to any YouTubers or talk shiw hosts. Other than maybe getting a perspective on a current event.

Reasonable people just keep themselves informed. Don't end up like these redditards who just regurgitate what some YouTube tranny tells them. If you start and discussion with "so and so on X said Y" you're just part of the radicalization problem.
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I have to politely disagree. News nowadays is heavily biased and these sorts of pundits act like muckrakers, they’re extremely biased but they provide a necessary balance. Also, less politely, only a bitch is worried about the “radicalization problem.” If you’re right then you’re right and it’s worth fighting for.

But what people should avoid doing is living with labels and trying to research arguments instead of information. Ideology has a way of completely consuming people’s minds, like you referred to. You can listen to punditry and have strong convictions, but it’s not good to try to conform your worldview to some structure created by someone else.
 
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Ughubughughughughughghlug said:
I have to politely disagree. News nowadays is heavily biased and these sorts of pundits act like muckrakers, they’re extremely biased but they provide a necessary balance. Also, less politely, only a bitch is worried about the “radicalization problem.” If you’re right then you’re right and it’s worth fighting for.

But what people should avoid doing is living with labels and trying to research arguments instead of information. Ideology has a way of completely consuming people’s minds, like you referred to. You can listen to punditry and have strong convictions, but it’s not good to try to conform your worldview to some structure created by someone else.
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Considering independant thinkers have been thrown off youtube, he's actually correct. You just have to go a step further than youtube in finding it.
 
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ChloeTheMalingerer said:
Surprised he doesn't have a proper thread, I'd make one if I wasn't so lazy.
I've recently discovered this masterpiece of a tweet:

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Muh rap.

Eat shit, Jew. What does Mozart have over Dr. Dre? Basic orchestraic tunes over fucking beat poetry about dominating over females? Isn't that actually conservative and maintaining the values to value the woman as lower than your clout of legendary awesomeness? Nigga, please.

 
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He regularly gets subjects wrong (although most Americans seem to think the UK has no guns, or social health care is the work of Satan), he speaks on topics he clearly has no understanding (net neutrality). He does well against teenagers who are given 30 seconds to sum up their entire outlook on life, whilst he has a team and a lifetime to figure out ways to dismantle something someone said. Even then he gets it wrong, like the shit with changing gender, and he uses age as some sort of analogy, whilst it's dumb because no one said changing your age.

Did you know his wife is a doctor? He only mentioned it a couple of times almost every fucking video. I think he does that because he has nothing to offer the working man other than "I am a shill of Israel, and I have waltzed into this easy job by having a well off family and good connections". He is so basic in his views, he is a hypocrite with his love of his own ethno-state but hates anyone else wanting one.

I find myself almost never agreeing with anything he has said, because he gets to a sort of point, then skews it with some bollocks about his Judaic interpretation of the situation.

Other talking shit stains at least bring something to the table (like Rubin actually allowing people the chance to speak, Rogan has interesting guests on he can interrupt), but he has nothing. And those "liberal tears" mugs are fucking tragic.

Why does a man with a kippah on in order to please his penis eating God claims to be fact focused?
 
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