Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[FuckedUp]

Have been thinking about all this. Heard today one can get the ChiCom Flu more than once. No herd immunity.

It's time to stop fucking around. Many, if not most people have incorporated the ChiCom Flu into their lives. They know there's some risk, but if you aren't 60 or over, or with underlying conditions, your chance of getting it is rather small, and of dying from it even smaller. From what I know, the vast majority of those who die are in the aforementioned group.

We simply cannot keep opening things up, then shutting things back down. We cannot keep damaging our economy by putting people out of work. We cannot keep fucking with students' education by willy-nilly putting schools online.

Time for us to man up, as a country. Just bring things back to "normal", but with everyone wearing face masks inside any public building. Go to a restaurant/bar - face masks on unless eating/drinking. Stop the "social distancing". Particles can apparently go further than six feet. Make exceptions for athletes on the playing field. Fans wear masks.

At the rate we are going, we're going to keep diddle-assing around until people are so tired of this shit they refuse to do anything. So let's call it a day, back to "normal", everyone wear masks when in public buildings.

Haven't YOU had enough of this shit? I sure have.

Masks are gayer than Chris Chan.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

The goalposts just keep moving.

March: "We need lockdowns because we need to 'flatten the curve' in order to prevent overwhelming the hospitals."

April-May: "We can't open up anything until we have more testing. Testing is the key to the lockdowns ending!"


June-now: "Haha we're locking down everything again. Who knows how long it'll last. Getting a paycheck is bad and evil and you want to kill grandma because of it, but rioting and burning cities down in the thousands is A-OK, and doesn't play any factor in any of this."

Fuck all of this.

 

[It's HK-47]

The goalposts just keep moving.

March: "We need lockdowns because we need to 'flatten the curve' in order to prevent overwhelming the hospitals."

April-May: "We can't open up anything until we have more testing. Testing is the key to the lockdowns ending!"


June-now: "Haha we're locking down everything again. Who knows how long it'll last. Getting a paycheck is bad and evil and you want to kill grandma because of it, but rioting and burning cities down in the thousands is A-OK, and doesn't play any factor in any of this."

Fuck all of this.

15 Days to Slow the Spread was 119 days ago.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

I'm in LA County and Nurse Buddy works in one of the major downtown LA Hospitals. I've avoided actually grilling the poor guy, even though I want to, but his wife and I are workout buddies and talk a lot. From the beginning she's been quoting him saying that patients our age (20s-30s) are dying without preconditions - and that number of dying young people has jumped recently - I'm assuming because everyone's out protesting. I take the lack of pre-conditions with a tiny grain of salt as I think most people don't view obesity as a pre-condition - but that's the best info I've been able to get. From what I'm hearing consistantly through the two of them, it sounds like Covid is causing issues which stress the heart, or cause blood clots, and those cause the actual death.

Yeah BMI >= 30 is actually a rather large risk factor for increased mortality but we've become so fucking fat as a country that it doesn't even seem "that fat" anymore.

At the hospital we've been doing better than I thought we would two weeks ago. We're at capacity and there's a wait list for admissions, but that basically means you get sent home from the emergency department and someone from the hospital calls you twice a day to check on you. If you're deteriorating, you get to come in. Nobody's directly died from lack of care that I know of.

The fact that the median age of positive cases has dropped so much is likely responsible for the case rate not converting into hospitalizations as often.

 

[FatalTater]

Midwest US personally gathered info - teacher friend of mine plans to quit his job if they open schools back up, and he may not be the only one. Granted, he's got weak lungs and catches every sniffle that goes around no matter how careful he is, so he might be a tiny bit dramatic. He and his fellow teachers have been talking and they feel school openings are being pushed due to the economy, not for education purposes. I for one was not surprised.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Have been thinking about all this. Heard today one can get the ChiCom Flu more than once. No herd immunity.

That's currently unsubstantiated & mostly debunked.
The South Korean lab that initially raised it as a possibility (more along the lines of "we can't rule out reinfection") later came back and retracted/ruled out reinfection; IIRC it was false positives and/or virus particles lingering even after the infection had been overcome.
But the damage had been done and Western media ran with it and now Normies think you can get reinfected.

Somewhere down the line the completely unsubstantiated myth came out that COVID might not kill you the first time but becomes Mega Ultimate Bat Death x2 double-damage on reinfection (to scare the now-immune recoveries into remaining in their pods, I guess?).

Supposedly there was some new study that came out that the anti-bodies only last a few months, which I can't debunk off the top of my head yet (of course the clickbait news never actually link to the OG study); but if so destroys the whole "we need a vaccine!" narrative because unless we are all stuck getting re-vaccinated every six months that destroys the utility of a vaccine.

 

[Cpl. Long Dong Silver]

Have been thinking about all this. Heard today one can get the ChiCom Flu more than once. No herd immunity.

It's time to stop fucking around. Many, if not most people have incorporated the ChiCom Flu into their lives. They know there's some risk, but if you aren't 60 or over, or with underlying conditions, your chance of getting it is rather small, and of dying from it even smaller. From what I know, the vast majority of those who die are in the aforementioned group.

We simply cannot keep opening things up, then shutting things back down. We cannot keep damaging our economy by putting people out of work. We cannot keep fucking with students' education by willy-nilly putting schools online.

Time for us to man up, as a country. Just bring things back to "normal", but with everyone wearing face masks inside any public building. Go to a restaurant/bar - face masks on unless eating/drinking. Stop the "social distancing". Particles can apparently go further than six feet. Make exceptions for athletes on the playing field. Fans wear masks.

At the rate we are going, we're going to keep diddle-assing around until people are so tired of this shit they refuse to do anything. So let's call it a day, back to "normal", everyone wear masks when in public buildings.

Haven't YOU had enough of this shit? I sure have.

Masks are fucking gay too. Return to the real normal.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

He and his fellow teachers have been talking and they feel school openings are being pushed due to the economy, not for education purposes.

For real tho, if the economy goes bottoms-up then its possible more people will die of starvation and violence then will die of ChiCom Coof.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

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For real tho, if the economy goes bottoms-up then its possible more people will die of starvation and violence then will die of ChiCom Coof.

Not to mention the lack of vaccines being taken this year (have read several reports of a concerning amount of children NOT getting vaccinated this year), or the underlying health problems that are going completely undetected because of lockdowns.

Karens: "I don't want to risk my kid passing COVID to me, but I'll certainly risk my kid catching polio!"

Death toll is going to see a concerning increase in the upcoming years as a result of lockdown, and the media is going to pretend they won't know why. It'll just be a ~*mystery.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

[the zero thing]

I've heard something like that too.

Reminds me of modern paranoia that makes plastic playgrounds and a lawsuit-happy society - fanatical cult-like devotion to safety.

 

[Banditotron]

unironically think that the protesters are entirely to blame for any resurgence and i wouldn't be surprised if glow in the darks wanted it that way

 

[Orange Rhymer]

Have been thinking about all this. Heard today one can get the ChiCom Flu more than once. No herd immunity.

It's time to stop fucking around. Many, if not most people have incorporated the ChiCom Flu into their lives. They know there's some risk, but if you aren't 60 or over, or with underlying conditions, your chance of getting it is rather small, and of dying from it even smaller. From what I know, the vast majority of those who die are in the aforementioned group.

We simply cannot keep opening things up, then shutting things back down. We cannot keep damaging our economy by putting people out of work. We cannot keep fucking with students' education by willy-nilly putting schools online.

Time for us to man up, as a country. Just bring things back to "normal", but with everyone wearing face masks inside any public building. Go to a restaurant/bar - face masks on unless eating/drinking. Stop the "social distancing". Particles can apparently go further than six feet. Make exceptions for athletes on the playing field. Fans wear masks.

At the rate we are going, we're going to keep diddle-assing around until people are so tired of this shit they refuse to do anything. So let's call it a day, back to "normal", everyone wear masks when in public buildings.

Haven't YOU had enough of this shit? I sure have.

My take:
It's real. It's probably a REALLY shitty cold. It also probably kills people. Mostly olds, fats, and disabled. Which is a good amount of our fat unhealthy western culture.
However, you don't quarantine the healthy. This is all directly against the constitution. We are SO past acceptable limits on the Bill of Rights, it is intolerable. State Limitations/qualifications of Rights, Patriot Act, and now a really nasty Cold?
Quarantining the sick is even questionable. Too bad there was no panic over AIDS in the early 80s. Or any one of the MORE DEADLY STDs/STIs. Syphilis causes permanent neurological (including brain) damage. Clap and Hep cause liver damage....
If you get chicken pox late in life, it causes sterility in men. LOCKDOWN!

I wish we could classify social media as mental disease vectors. That's a quarantine I would happily support.

 

[FuckedUp]

Midwest US personally gathered info - teacher friend of mine plans to quit his job if they open schools back up, and he may not be the only one. Granted, he's got weak lungs and catches every sniffle that goes around no matter how careful he is, so he might be a tiny bit dramatic. He and his fellow teachers have been talking and they feel school openings are being pushed due to the economy, not for education purposes. I for one was not surprised.

I'd rather be a slave to the Capitalist Death Machines than kept safe by a Science-Minded Government.

 

[Iron Hamster]

Seeing #1 and 3 simultaneously made me chuckle

 

[eternal dog mongler]

Supposedly there was some new study that came out that the anti-bodies only last a few months, which I can't debunk off the top of my head yet (of course the clickbait news never actually link to the OG study); but if so destroys the whole "we need a vaccine!" narrative because unless we are all stuck getting re-vaccinated every six months that destroys the utility of a vaccine.

This one and this one.

Notably the first one was taken wildly out of context. It's literally just "this many healthcare workers had antibodies: the study."

The second one is better, but even it says that you can't extrapolate no IgG = no immunity. There are other components of the immune system, y'know.

People can start talking about no immunity when there's a massive wave of re-infections. We haven't seen that yet. If Wuhan 2.0 flares up then yeah fuck it.

 

[Standardized Profile]

Supposedly there was some new study that came out that the anti-bodies only last a few months, which I can't debunk off the top of my head yet (of course the clickbait news never actually link to the OG study); but if so destroys the whole "we need a vaccine!" narrative because unless we are all stuck getting re-vaccinated every six months that destroys the utility of a vaccine.

I don't think so, because we also have cell-mediated immunity, and this kind of immunity lasted at least 11 years after OG SARS.

Memory T cell responses targeting the SARS coronavirus persist up to 11 years post-infection - PubMed

Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) is a highly contagious infectious disease which first emerged in late 2002, caused by a then novel human coronavirus, SARS coronavirus (SARS-CoV). The virus is believed to have originated from bats and transmitted to human through intermediate animals...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[FuckedUp]

This whole incident got me curious. I was an infant at the end of 1999, so I can't remember Y2K. What was it like being forced by the government to stay in an underground bunker from the end of December to a couple months into the new year "just to be safe"?

 

[Standardized Profile]

This whole incident got me curious. I was an infant at the end of 1999, so I can't remember Y2K. What was it like being forced by the government to stay in an underground bunker from the end of December to a couple months into the new year "just to be safe"?

The government didn't do that kind of thing until 2001, when they started advising us to tape ourselves into our homes, making them airtight to keep out the anthrax.

 

[gangweedfan]

so how is Sweden doing these days? I heard from a family member that there strategy of not locking down failed.

 

[FuckedUp]

so how is Sweden doing these days? I heard from a family member that there strategy of not locking down failed.

Yeah, I'd advise you not to watch any online footage. It's really disturbing stuff, bodies in the streets everywhere.