Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[It's HK-47]

don't forget the whole "OMG WHERE IS THE TESTING TRUMP DIDN'T BUY ENOUGH TESTS WHEN NO ONE GAVE A FUCK I NEED TO GET TESTED SO I DON'T DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!" before march

Or when we needed 40,000 ventilators, and how we were supposed to see two million people dead by now even with social distancing and preventative measures factored into the IHME model. This thing was supposed to be disasterously world-ending but I can't help but notice that even a third of a year down the road, we're still sitting at a 98-99% survivability rate.

 

[DubbleBubble]

If Americans just did what they were supposed to for 2 months none of you would need to be here sperging about your godjesus given freedom to go out and get each other sick right now. At least for me, I did my time being a half alive shell of a human in isolation with the cough for a month, and I'd prefer to not do it again. The freedom fries and burgers were definitely not worth it. Handeth me mine sad banana internet stickers.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

Or when we needed 40,000 ventilators, and how we were supposed to see two million people dead by now even with social distancing and preventative measures factored into the IHME model. This thing was supposed to be disasterously world-ending but I can't help but notice that even a third of a year down the road, we're still sitting at a 98-99% survivability rate.

And then it turned out that ventilators were actually not really that necessary and likely harmed more patients than they helped. NYC was just throwing everyone on them.

We're still sitting on a giant stockpile of ventilators we bought in March (or April, maybe) and probably won't have any use for them.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

If Americans just did what they were supposed to for 2 months none of you would need to be here sperging about your godjesus given freedom to go out and get each other sick right now. At least for me, I did my time being a half alive shell of a human in isolation with the cough for a month, and I'd prefer to not do it again. The freedom fries and burgers were definitely not worth it. Handeth me mine sad banana internet stickers.

Bomber Harris, DO IT AGAIN!

 

[Meat Target]

I don't think so, because we also have cell-mediated immunity, and this kind of immunity lasted at least 11 years after OG SARS.

Memory T cell responses targeting the SARS coronavirus persist up to 11 years post-infection - PubMed

Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) is a highly contagious infectious disease which first emerged in late 2002, caused by a then novel human coronavirus, SARS coronavirus (SARS-CoV). The virus is believed to have originated from bats and transmitted to human through intermediate animals...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

That sucks. IMO Macron could be a really based leader if he would just nut up.

 

[Saint Alphonsus]

The problem isn't really with the kids. They're fine. The problem is when little Billy gets COVID-19 and gives grandma a hug.

The staff? They can just wear N95s and undergo PPE training. I'm sure they can dig up the money for that somewhere.

Didn't the WHO say a month ago that asymptomatic spread is rare? And don't the numbers show that the survivability is on the order of 95-99%.

I'm sorry, it's just that this whole crisis is so obviously political that anyone who takes the narrative seriously is either naive or mendacious. The fact that throughout April and beyond the Coronavirans have been using emotional blackmail (my emphasis) to enforce compliance backs my point.

 

[Orange Rhymer]

They’re starting to frame their side as a resistance movement too.
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They're just digging themselves deeper.
Private online education is Cheap, Affordable, and Effective.
Most local taxes go towards education. Eliminate it and watch your property tax fall by 75%.

Also, someone needs to tell these sluts to stop using 60's commie hippy slogans, or someone is gonna connect the dots.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

Didn't the WHO say a month ago that asymptomatic spread is rare? And don't the numbers show that the survivability is on the order of 95-99%.

The AAP paper in support of reopening schools said child-to-adult transmission was rare (based on contact tracing data from Wuhan) but it does exist.

It's not emotional blackmail. It's the fact that a kid is going to be fucked up quite a bit if he accidentally kills a family member by bringing home COVID-19 from school.

 

[he who has thus come/gone]

The AAP paper in support of reopening schools said child-to-adult transmission was rare (based on contact tracing data from Wuhan) but it does exist.

It's not emotional blackmail. It's the fact that a kid is going to be fucked up quite a bit if he accidentally kills a family member by bringing home COVID-19 from school.

Some obese black kid with diabetes and severe vitamin D deficiency will get sick and hospitalized and the media will jump all over it as "proof" Trump is a racist science hating fascist. You already see this with the media trying to racialize the virus. They totally ignore basic scientific principles about melanin in elevated latitudes and the causal connection between vitamin D deficiency and COVID severity in favor of "the poor black people are being targeted by a virus!"

 

[Saint Alphonsus]

The AAP paper in support of reopening schools said child-to-adult transmission was rare (based on contact tracing data from Wuhan) but it does exist.

It's not emotional blackmail. It's the fact that a kid is going to be fucked up quite a bit if he accidentally kills a family member by bringing home COVID-19 from school.

Yes, but that is based upon the assumption that asymptomatic transmission is high, contact-to-symptom conversion rate is high, and that the mortality rate is also high.

Let's assume that the rates of each event is 10%. If so, the probability of junior "killing grandma" is (0.1 x 0.1 x 0.1) x 100 = 0.1%

If that is the case, you're justifying VirusRegime on the basis that junior has a one-in-a-thousand chance of killing grandma.

But depending on what agenda the WHO and CDC want to push this very second, the rates increase or decrease. We therefore cannot have any confidence in the numbers because the so called airtight peer review process has been run around, yet the base assumption of the entire medical establishment is "act like a hypochondriac on crystal meth." This is literal feels over reals enabled by the technocrats.

 

[Cpl. Long Dong Silver]

What do you guys and gals think about the subject of liability protections for businesses, healthcare providers, and government officials related to COVID-related lawsuits? The US Senate wants to broadly protect against liability while the House wants to allow OSHA to regulate. IDK. I think businesses should take reasonable steps to protect their employees and customers. However, given that about 40% of TV commercials in the US are for ambulance chasers, I can’t imagine the shitshow that’s about to unfold.

Eliminating legal liability for the coof would be ideal. That is a big reason big offices are staying closed or small businesses not fully opening. No one wants to get sued for the coof.


Getting rid of liability would help us get back to normal.

 

[Beetus Knuckles]

Eliminating legal liability for the coof would be ideal. That is a big reason big offices are staying closed or small businesses not fully opening. No one wants to get sued for the coof.


Getting rid of liability would help us get back to normal.

I could get behind some liability limitation if a business or institution makes a true good faith effort to protect employees and customers. I don't think it should be used as a get out of free card to cheap out on the things that needs to be done.

 

[najobo]

They're just digging themselves deeper.
Private online education is Cheap, Affordable, and Effective.

Or worse, private schools. Lockdown means no movies, no vacation, no frivolities... so why not throw that would-be Branson vacay money at a private school? Your average Catholic school in real 'Murka is what, 7-8K per year? They even give discounts for siblings. Good 'ole Catholics, am I rite?

I mean, if precious Sally ELA teacher refuses to teach, it's awfully tempting. Families with more $$$ could get real classy and do non-sectarian/Quaker-type schools. Also, private schools are exempt from all kinds of onerous rules and bureaucracy. Very often, no education degree is required. If you're a professional whose job got nuked by 'Rona, why not teach? Don't forget, you can actually discipline kids in a private school, beyond "Jimmer, would you please stop stabbing me?" And when parents pay, they're infinitely more likely to back you up.

 

[Xarpho]

Texas governor is threatening lockdown again if "cases don't slow". It's like he's throwing the Texas GOP away, really.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

Yes, but that is based upon the assumption that asymptomatic transmission is high, contact-to-symptom conversion rate is high, and that the mortality rate is also high.

Let's assume that the rates of each event is 10%. If so, the probability of junior "killing grandma" is (0.1 x 0.1 x 0.1) x 100 = 0.1%

If that is the case, you're justifying VirusRegime on the basis that junior has a one-in-a-thousand chance of killing grandma.

But depending on what agenda the WHO and CDC want to push this very second, the rates increase or decrease. We therefore cannot have any confidence in the numbers because the so called airtight peer review process has been run around, yet the base assumption of the entire medical establishment is "act like a hypochondriac on crystal meth." This is literal feels over reals enabled by the technocrats.

So you're accusing the WHO and CDC of making up numbers while at the same time making up your own numbers.

Information is changing quickly because this is a novel virus. Keep flipping burgers at Wendy's, man. It's more your speed.

 

[Otterly]

The problem isn't really with the kids. They're fine. The problem is when little Billy gets COVID-19 and gives grandma a hug.

The staff? They can just wear N95s and undergo PPE training. I'm sure they can dig up the money for that somewhere.

Schools in the uk are just reopened recently but in Sweden they’ve been open the whole time. Family there have kids of preschool and junior/secondary age and apparently:
1. There hasnt been any major school based clusters they know of, the illness swept through their area in April
2. Kids get sent home at the merest sniffle, so the usual set of plagues that take whole classes out have reduced by a massive amount because parents aren’t allowed to send sick kids in
3. There’s a benefit allowance paid to keep sick kids off (same level as parental leave pay) so the incentive to cheat and send skids in is lowered further
4. School teachers haven’t been hit harder than any other group.
5. The rationale for keeping schools open wasn’t so much that they don’t spread but rather that keeping kids home would remove up to a third of the workers in the healthcare system as they stayed home to look after their kids
6. It was thought that grandparents would be drafted in to look after at home kids who h would expose them to the illness, negating the point of lockdown

I really think we should have done more like they have. They seem to have fucked up nursing home residents as much as we did but at least they’ve not bought into wholesale madness with lockdown. We’ve had no deaths where I am for a while now, really hope it’s fizzling out

 

[The golden neckbeard]

Schools in the uk are just reopened recently but in Sweden they’ve been open the whole time. Family there have kids of preschool and junior/secondary age and apparently:
1. There hasnt been any major school based clusters they know of, the illness swept through their area in April
2. Kids get sent home at the merest sniffle, so the usual set of plagues that take whole classes out have reduced by a massive amount because parents aren’t allowed to send sick kids in
3. There’s a benefit allowance paid to keep sick kids off (same level as parental leave pay) so the incentive to cheat and send skids in is lowered further
4. School teachers haven’t been hit harder than any other group.
5. The rationale for keeping schools open wasn’t so much that they don’t spread but rather that keeping kids home would remove up to a third of the workers in the healthcare system as they stayed home to look after their kids
6. It was thought that grandparents would be drafted in to look after at home kids who h would expose them to the illness, negating the point of lockdown

I really think we should have done more like they have. They seem to have fucked up nursing home residents as much as we did but at least they’ve not bought into wholesale madness with lockdown. We’ve had no deaths where I am for a while now, really hope it’s fizzling out

Sweden gained nothing by staying open. The economy still shited and many died. They are due a serouis wave anytime now.

Sweden wants there pensioner population gone. Trouble is....since then we have learned the virus causes organ damage to everyone young and old...symptoms or not.

 

[Goofy Logic]

...They seem to have fucked up nursing home residents as much as we did...

Even in normal flu seasons, flu outbreaks frequently happen in care homes, often because a family went on a vacation, bring the flu back, then go see gramps and give it to half the nursing home.

You would think there would be more precautions at the care homes for disease protection, but you should see how irate some people get if there is an inkling of access control to the elderly.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Sweden gained nothing by staying open. The economy still shited and many died. They are due a serouis wave anytime now.

Any time now!

 

[The golden neckbeard]

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Any time now!

Ok

It's all a conspiracy. Every country on earth is on it.

Never mind that dozens of studies from different countries show herd immunity to be impossible and antibodies dont last. Italians are getting sick twice now.