WWE Champions General - Despite his claims, DSP is still spending thousands of dollars on the WWE Champions mobile game

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In many things, yes, it's hard to tell if Phil is lying or being dumb. Here, though, given what we know, it's not hard at all.

We know he's concealing his gacha spending as a business expense. We know that he had to explain (or pigsplain, rather) that to Nancy. We know that his lawyer, at some point, told him to STFU about his case while on camera. We DON'T know if his lawyer saw through any of said pigsplaining, but regardless of whether or not she did, she doesn't want to get any further embroiled in Phil's bullshit, so being that specific about it is unlikely. Especially if she knows he's committing fraud. She wouldn't trust Phil if she did, better to just be vague in her instructions and if he fucks up like he did, she can walk away with her hands clean. Plenty of plausible deniability, regardless of what she actually knows, so long as he got specific, on his own, like an idiot, when she never was.

It's obvious to me: Phil said what he said because he's a stupid liar. He knows he shouldn't admit to playing WWE Champions, or claiming it as a business expense, but he doesn't know that admitting he had to deal with the meme interfering in his case constitutes admitting that Nancy had some real evidence of his gacha spending. He doesn't know that that theory of ours would be easily dismissed by Nancy if she didn't find anything backing it up. In his feeble mind, admitting to having to pigsplain some things is nothing incriminating at all. It's just an every day troll thing he has to deal with. He is the King of Suffering, after all, trolls can easily convince the public that he's a bad person without any evidence whatsoever.

As for the possibility of him setting her up to take the fall: he's stupid enough to think a scheme like that will work, but like I said, he's also stupid enough to not realize that we see confirmation of Champions in his bitching about having to deal with it behind the scenes. My money is on the latter, given that his fear of consequences tends to be stronger when it surfaces than his dimness usually is.
 
Except we're talking about a hypothetical situation where Phil gets slapped with a fraud charge by the state. In such circumstances, throwing the lawyer under the bus doesn't even accomplish anything for Phil that would be for the retards. In such an outcome, it's game over anyway, looking innocent to his fans means nothing. It would be for HIM, getting the satisfaction of dragging someone down with him. Until such a day comes (if it ever does), Phil doesn't care about blaming his lawyer because there is nothing to blame her for yet. He doesn't think that far ahead, and besides that, the pigroach doesn't feel at risk for consequences right now. He feels untouchable.
 
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so his whaling has slowed down 2 weeks out from taxes
Dude, he's had numerous tax fundraisers (10? quite a few) in the past two years and still hasn't paid his 2018 and 2019 taxes. The estimated taxes "due date" doesn't mean anything to his gacha playing because he doesn't actually pay the taxes with the fundraiser money. It's a scam.
 
There is no way DSP told her the truth about his whaling, if she knows about WWE champions than Phill has been lying about how much he spent.

He probably lowballed it to a grand or two and was told not to worry about and just be quiet about it.

She is just a rent-a-lawyer and was getting paid no matter what the outcome was so why stick her neck out for Phill and help him commit fraud?
Phill could try and throw her under the bus by claiming she told him to commit fraud but it would just be his oinks against her words, and she carries more clout than him.
 
As far as the lawyer goes and how responsible they are for the criminal acts of their clients, as far as I understand it even if she was complicit with trying to fraud the bankruptcy she was still acting in good faith for what her client wished even if she was professionally against the act because I don't think even if he was very open about trying to commit bankruptcy fraud that she would be legally allowed or liable for what is essentially his crime she was just acting as his representative. In the same way as if a defense lawyer knows you're guilty of whatever crime you're being charged of but would still use any legal defense available. I could be just dumb and retarded though.
 
DSP got away with the equivalent of financial murder. And I don't think anything else will come of this. Nancy and Rochelle know nothing about what Phil does for a living and that saved his ass. Someone who really understood could spend 10 minutes checking his video archives on YouTube and see zero are WWE Champions gameplay. He should just shut the fuck up and not draw any attention to himself.
 
He probably lowballed it to a grand or two and was told not to worry about and just be quiet about it.

I don't think so. There were clearly meetings (over the phone) between Nancy, Phil, and Rochelle, wherein he was questioned about things like Scopely payments, and had no way of low-balling anything. Remember, Nancy asked for six months of PayPal statements, which translates to six months worth of whaling out, and was probably where the investigation into WWE Champions began, prompted by whoever gave her a list of his consoles (which he himself didn't provide). She clearly figured out from there where it was going, and how much it was. What she didn't know was whether it qualified as a business expense. Whether Phil's pigsplaining actually convinced her, or just annoyed her to the point where she wanted him gone ASAP, we'll probably never know. But either way, he wasn't in a position to downplay the amount.

Rochelle definitely told him to STFU about everything, which of course he didn't.

She is just a rent-a-lawyer and was getting paid no matter what the outcome was so why stick her neck out for Phill and help him commit fraud?
Phill could try and throw her under the bus by claiming she told him to commit fraud but it would just be his oinks against her words, and she carries more clout than him.

Rochelle has plenty of plausible deniability, because regardless of what she actually knows, she can easily claim that when Phil pigsplained his microtransactions, he sounded credible to her. She's a lawyer with a life, what does she know about mobile games made for retards with addictive personalities, right?

As far as the lawyer goes and how responsible they are for the criminal acts of their clients, as far as I understand it even if she was complicit with trying to fraud the bankruptcy she was still acting in good faith for what her client wished even if she was professionally against the act because I don't think even if he was very open about trying to commit bankruptcy fraud that she would be legally allowed or liable for what is essentially his crime she was just acting as his representative. In the same way as if a defense lawyer knows you're guilty of whatever crime you're being charged of but would still use any legal defense available. I could be just dumb and retarded though.

There is a big difference between what Rochelle does and what a defense attorney does. She's not allowed to willingly participate in fraud, because in a bankruptcy case, the client isn't a defendant, they don't have the same protections as someone who is on trial for armed robbery.

DSP got away with the equivalent of financial murder. And I don't think anything else will come of this. Nancy and Rochelle know nothing about what Phil does for a living and that saved his ass. Someone who really understood could spend 10 minutes checking his video archives on YouTube and see zero are WWE Champions gameplay.

Far more likely that the determining factor was a lack of valuable assets. Nancy figured out how much money Phil makes, saw he had nothing of value, wondered why, figured out why, and gave the case up as a lost cause because there was no money in it for her.

He should just shut the fuck up and not draw any attention to himself.

It would be in his best interest, but not ours. Fortunately, he seems to have our interests on his mind instead of his own, as he keeps running his mouth. lol
 
There is a big difference between what Rochelle does and what a defense attorney does. She's not allowed to willingly participate in fraud, because in a bankruptcy case, the client isn't a defendant, they don't have the same protections as someone who is on trial for armed robbery.

Well attorney/client privileges exist regardless of what position you are in legally, that's more to the point. He could sit and tell her how horrible he is with money, it's up to her if she wants to continue with a shit client or not and considering she's probably a strip mall lawyer she's not going to turn down easy money. She's going to examine how she can best present his case from there following the law, like trying to not go into his business expenses during the phone meeting for example. She knows full well that because everything that would implicate her as being an accessory to fraud would be behind attorney/client privilege laws and she's not going to be forced to implicate herself, so what is she really going to lose.
 
Does this mean I can become a CoD exclusive streamer and spend 10k a month on Fifa packs. Just to get some state appointed cronie to clear me of all my debts. :stress:
Yes. However, you need to pay at least that much interest in credit cards first so they don't feel the need to bother you, because they know you're stupid enough to get more credit cards and give them more money. All at the cost of taxpayers of course, because fuck them. Yay, capitalism.
 
I don't think so. There were clearly meetings (over the phone) between Nancy, Phil, and Rochelle, wherein he was questioned about things like Scopely payments, and had no way of low-balling anything.
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It's more likely than not that any of his whaling isn't going to show up in any documents/receipts as "Scopely." Bank statements may show payments to Apple, or he might have extra-huge Fred Meyer transactions (indicating purchase of iTunes gift cards), but that's about as far as it will go.

Any lawyer worth a damn, even the real-world-equivalent to Lionel Hutz, is going to tell a client to keep answers as short and concise as possible. Yes or no. The more that is "explained," the more there is to poke holes in. In the recording we got to listen to, he did the right thing and said "Yes, I own it and it is business related," about things he was asked about. If there were any questioning about his $500 Fred Meyer transactions, all he has to say is "It's for food and other necessities to maintain the home and business," and that's that. He/his lawyer may know it's total bullshit, but it's all he has to say on record to maintain an air of legitimacy.
 
A part of what allowed Phil to get off with financial murder might have been that Nancy is a boomer. With the Paypal records, she had to know he was dumping his $5K somewhere, but assuming Phil satiates his gacha addiction using pre-paid Apple cards as some supposed, to her the trail ran cold at the money going from Paypal to something along the lines of "Apple Play Store".

Now, we know that means mobile games, and we know Phil has never used mobile games for business purposes - he's never streamed any. But Nancy probably didn't because she's not well versed in either mobile gaming or micro-transaction, and, understandably, she did not go through the gazillion 10 minutes videos of his Youtube channel - which he could easily claim do not represent the entirety of his streamed content, mind you.

To her, it was probably simply possible for the Apple Play Store to be a storefront for X-Box/Playstation/PC games, and in that case, well, it would be perfectly logical to imagine all that went towards the games he streamed (Of course, DSP is anything but logical, but it's hard to truly grasp how stupid he is at a cursory glance like the one she had) and thus constitute business expenses. He wouldn't even need to claim anything beyond the initial "$5K in business expenses", because when Nancy saw all that money going to "Apple Play Store", well, it was probably good enough for her, it all clicked together, no need for further explanations.

And, again, yes, we know that is simply not how it works, but let's be honest, would our parents ? Of course, some would, but definitely not all. DSP might simply have lucked out and found someone who didn't have enough insight into the "gaming economy" to sniff out the problems in what he claimed.
 
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Phil bitching about the Champions meme stalling things is the tell. Maybe Nancy didn't find Scopely payments, but she found something that he had to carefully pigsplain, otherwise it wouldn't have come up at all.

Either way, my bet is still on it being that, to Nancy, the pigroach was clearly someone who does nothing but waste their income, and found it not worth her time to deny him Chapter 7 based on that stupidity.
 
Scopely has a tax day event going on (aka spend your refund on sweaty, oiled, man jpgs):

You have to spend money in order to get all the rewards. Guersan's Gaming approximates 60% of the event is free and 40% is paid.

Video if anyone is interested:
So THIS is what DSP is talking about when he says he has to pay his taxes!
 
Scopely has a tax day event going on (aka spend your refund on sweaty, oiled, man jpgs):

You have to spend money in order to get all the rewards. Guersan's Gaming approximates 60% of the event is free and 40% is paid.

Video if anyone is interested:

Was the guy in the cream colored suit made to look like Phil or....?

I looked at the face for 10 seconds and couldn't tell if it was a detractor edit (disclaimer, I know close to nothing about wrestling other than the John Cena memes from like 2015)
 
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