Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Houraisan Kaguya]

Masks do nothing to change that fact, all they are doing and all they claim to do is lower the transmission rate while they are an active entity in the situation.

So I suppose I should change my statement. 1 year from now every country on earth will either have had the same percentage of its population go through the process of being infected, OR they will STILL BE WEARING MASKS.

The instant any country takes off the masks the percentage needed goes back up to where it was and the disease, surprise surprise, is still around because it has the attributes it needs in order to never die out.

Cool strawman. We made "flattening the curve" a big meme and everything, apparently the message didn't stick.

The science is settled, and against the masks.

The masks, simply put, win you nothing. They do not save a country a single infection, and there is no grounds on which to claim they would. Their only claim to value is to slow down the amount of time before a country achieves herd immunity in its population.

Slowing the transmission rate is exactly what masking is intended to accomplish, so I'm not sure why you think this is some sort of gotcha.
Also, a lot of you spergs are screaming about your science without showing it. Here's the latest in studies on masking.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2768533

 

[Govt. Shitposting Machine]

I'd say WHO/CDC is right about the masks not working, not because of water droplet bullshit or whatever, but the amount of people I've seen wearing masks on their FOREHEADS. It's fucking bananas. And then they have the nerve to wear gloves, and if you tell them off, they back up like 50 feet trying to "socially distance" to avoid germs. What germs? Brain germs?
And don't get me started on the idiots to wear that shit dangling off their ear, only cover their mouth, wear it on their neck, etc, and they're still allowed in highly crowded areas (i.e shopping areas, trains, etc).
I don't understand anything anymore. People are fucking retarded. And this is coming from one of those "anti-maskers" or whatever the fuck, just please if you're gonna wear one put it on right.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

I'd say WHO/CDC is right about the masks not working, not because of water droplet bullshit or whatever, but the amount of people I've seen wearing masks on their FOREHEADS. It's fucking bananas. And then they have the nerve to wear gloves, and if you tell them off, they back up like 50 feet trying to "socially distance" to avoid germs. What germs? Brain germs?
And don't get me started on the idiots to wear that shit dangling off their ear, only cover their mouth, wear it on their neck, etc, and they're still allowed in highly crowded areas (i.e shopping areas, trains, etc).
I don't understand anything anymore. People are fucking retarded.

To be fair, a ton of people have a hard time breathing in the masks. I know my share of Boomers, and a lot of them have complained that they've damn near fainted from wearing them while walking around (not out of the ordinary with older people). I imagine if people have issues such as obesity, being a smoker, or just being out of shape, then they probably have a harder time breathing in them as well. If I were on the verge of fainting, I would undoubtedly remove the mask to help myself breathe better. I haven't worn a mask while working out (because I work out at home), but I imagine they are insanely uncomfortable to wear while jogging (especially if you are new at running).

So, I think there are legit reasons why we're not seeing some people wear them right ... And then you just have dumbasses who don't know how to wear them.

 

[Stoneheart]

If the science is settled and the masks are an absolute godsend to combating the virus, then why was the majority of the world told by the likes of Dr. Fauci and the WHO that the masks were unnecessary ... Until they suddenly were?

the WHO and Fauci are idiots...
the RKI was clear on masks from the beginning and they handled the virus the best in the west. Japan and Korea also used masks.

 

[deeplyhigh]

So, I think there are legit reasons why we're not seeing some people wear them right ... And then you just have dumbasses who don't know how to wear them.

Or those of us who wear them improperly and never wash them on purpose because it is all theatre.

 

[Saint Alphonsus]

Going to use this thread as my lockdown-related MATI containment zone until getting threadbanned and/or a debate thread.

As I previous sperged about and got ~20 fedoras for, anyone who's pro-lockdown is automatically on the same level as the worst SJWs.

Though I'll bother to explain my autistic rationale this time:

Spoiler: yet another autistic tl;dr

As someone who honestly sorta questions the idea of prisons, the one thing more important than freedom of speech is freedom of movement. When I was learning about the fucking black death in middle school, I made up my mind that lockdowns shouldn't happen even with diseases like that, so I'm sure as hell not going to support them with something like this. In fact, I was whiteknighting Bernie in January-March nearly completely because pro-lockdown to be the de facto right-wing stance, and that alone was enough to make me side with the liberals.

As I said earlier in this thread, during all the previous shit, I could just tell myself to calm down and focus on succeeding in school, even with the UConn incident despite haunting me quite a bit. This? My "mild" GAD has flaired up to the point I'm self-harming and smashing shit just to somewhat alleviate the most unbearable pain I've ever had to deal with.

I can't just "focus on acing school" like before because that's ruined. Can't hang out with my friends IRL nor talk about completely unrelated shit because it's actually affecting everyone. Even if I didn't drop my summer classes, I couldn't just talk/listen to the others in classroom about random shit and witness IRL autism like last year. Can't go to the library talk with friends about vidya and classes while scrolling through KF with my back and laptop screen against the wall. Clown World has never really affected me other than ruining the internet, but now it's (in my view) fundamentally fucked up my life.

I've thought it through, and I'd genuinely view a hypothetical retarded ANTIFA ancom who wants to ban hate speech and guns but is anti-lockdown as higher than someone who's pro-lockdown but sides with me on everything else. Every few hours, a bunch of posts over the past four months, the users who posted them and indirectly condone fucking up my life and psyche this badly, and all the effects of the lockdown start building up in my head until I have an anxiety attack and write an angry post and/or lash out IRL. I've realized that replying to posts that really set me off and personally attacking the users on the spot drastically reduces the pain in my chest that comes back to haunt me. I'm shocked most of those cathartic posts haven't been inundated with fedoras.

Stories like yours are why I'm so vehemently anti-Lockdown.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Masks stop the spread of droplets, and the "muh science" crown immediately links this to "masks stop the virus".

And if this science is so simple, why for months was every authority figure saying the masks wouldnt help? Now suddenly they do, conveniently when mask makers had ramped up production. Funny how that timing works.

This is some eastasia bullshit.

You should probably tell surgeons then that them wearing masks is completely pointless. You gotta be completely retarded to deny masks don't work. Countries that have implemented mask policies have seen a huge dropoff in Covid cases, while areas of the US without them are seeing rises.

 

[Ghost In The Rain]

Lol you can't be this stupid. Masks have been shown to decrease the chances of you infecting others. The science is settled.

You lacked the reading comprehension to see that I literally agree with you on that point.

My proposition was that decreasing the chance of you infecting others if of absolutely zero significance with regards to the risk of others getting infected.

The total amount of population you need to infect will stay the same regardless. Masks flatten the curve, they do not lower the sum total of area beneath the curve. And every below the curve at this point is rolling the exact same dice. There is zero gain to be found in moving someones infection from tomorrow to 3 weeks from now. I suppose you could claim there is 0.3% of 3 person-weeks of productivity in there, but I'm quite certain the cost to society of manufacturing and distributing the masks outweigh that if we're getting that nit-picky.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

You should probably tell surgeons then that them wearing masks is completely pointless. You gotta be completely retarded to deny masks don't work. Countries that have implemented mask policies have seen a huge dropoff in Covid cases, while areas of the US without them are seeing rises.

Surgical masks are for bacterial infections, ya smug dingus. Most post-op complications stem from the patient developing a bacterial infection afterwards. Masks greatly reduce the risk of that since bacteria particles are much larger than viral particles.

 

[Sekirodiealot]

Either until cases reach zero or until lockdown zealots start getting voted out. Don't give up hope, whatever you do. Take it one day at a time.

Getting voted out? I wonder if it'll likely happen.

 

[Ghost In The Rain]

Slowing the transmission rate is exactly what masking is intended to accomplish, so I'm not sure why you think this is some sort of gotcha.

The gotcha is that September will exist. And all the stuff after it. The arrow of time points one way, and continues to fly very much like a banana. The fact that the game does not arbitrarily end next friday is the gotcha.

Slowing the transmission rate gains you nothing. You are not even proposing that it does gain you anything, you're just suggesting that slowing the transmission rate is the goal. You don't know why, you just accept it as holy command that slowing the transmission rate was the aim of your entire existence from the very beginning.

I have proposed my points: I suggest to you that any slowing of the transmission rate is only going to see the same total number of cases at a later date. I further suggest that the outcome of those cases are going to be the same at any date from here to the foreseeable future. Therefore, I state that there is no value in slowing the transmission rate and therefore no value in masks.

I would love to see you propose even the slightest hint of a reason why slowing the transmission rate might be desirable.

 

[Smug Chuckler]

Getting voted out? I wonder if it'll likely happen.

dont worry they will be convinced the next time a cop kills some thug with black skin

 

[Houraisan Kaguya]

I would love to see you propose even the slightest hint of a reason why slowing the transmission rate might be desirable.

Flattening the Curve for COVID-19: What Does It Mean and How Can You Help?

History shows that taking strong steps now to slow the spread of coronavirus will help communities and individuals.

healthblog.uofmhealth.org

“If you don’t have as many cases coming to the hospitals and clinics at once, it can actually lower the number of total deaths from the virus and from other causes,” he says. “And, importantly, it buys us time for university and government scientists, and industry, to create new therapies, medications and potentially a vaccine.”

Catching the coof later on when we have more resources available and a better understanding of how to treat the fucking thing sounds like a way better jam than dying on a ventilator when we have no idea what we're fucking doing. You do understand what the "novel" part in the name means, right?

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

thats a massive deal and its all because they arent allow to racial profile..

They don't WANT to racial Profile, they don't WANT to protect you from terrorists with it.

They WANT you to shut up and follow the rules like a good little slave. The Lockdown and masks are the exact same thing and you are falling for it.

were will all the infections come from in the countries that have the infection pretty much beaten?

YOU DON'T BEAT A VIRUS, the only thing that the lockdowns are doing to "Mitigate" the Virus. It was a Delay Tactic to keep everyone from rushing the hospital at once.

Of course do you know what also keeps everyone from rushing the hospital at once? Not motherfucking being a fear mongering idiot, looking at the actual god damn statistics on the virus and realizing it isn't that fucking dangerous.

Swedens infection rate isnt good and their deathrate is pretty high for northern europeans

They also have a higher Population Density than their neighbors.

 

[More AWS-8Q Than You]

Flattening the Curve for COVID-19: What Does It Mean and How Can You Help?

History shows that taking strong steps now to slow the spread of coronavirus will help communities and individuals.

healthblog.uofmhealth.org

Catching the coof later on when we have more resources available and a better understanding of how to treat the fucking thing sounds like a way better jam than dying on a ventilator when we have no idea what we're fucking doing.
You do understand what the "novel" part in the name means, right?

Have I traveled back in time four months? That was the whole point of the "two week" shutdown back in March.

 

[The golden neckbeard]

To be fair, a ton of people have a hard time breathing in the masks. I know my share of Boomers, and a lot of them have complained that they've damn near fainted from wearing them while walking around (not out of the ordinary with older people). I imagine if people have issues such as obesity, being a smoker, or just being out of shape, then they probably have a harder time breathing in them as well. If I were on the verge of fainting, I would undoubtedly remove the mask to help myself breathe better. I haven't worn a mask while working out (because I work out at home), but I imagine they are insanely uncomfortable to wear while jogging (especially if you are new at running).

So, I think there are legit reasons why we're not seeing some people wear them right ... And then you just have dumbasses who don't know how to wear them.

I have many n95s.

being idle is OK...but when your running a shopping cart around costco trying to get groceries its noticable. Doesnt matter the age.

N95s fucking suck. I dont have a pulse oximeter but i would bet the dropoff is noticeable based on the lightheadedness amd sweating.

Edit : fuck niggers

 

[Houraisan Kaguya]

Have I traveled back in time four months? That was the whole point of the "two week" shutdown back in March.

"They've had two whole weeks to make a vaccine and learn everything about this literally-brand-new virus"

I'm not going to defend the CDC or WHO (credibility is lost as far as I'm concerned for bullshitting the public on masks) or any of the politics in this absolute shitshow, but come on now.

 

[Archeopthryx]

I'm really bewildered on how people have trouble breathing in masks. Then I remember that some people don't know how to breathe normally. Suck in air through your nose. Mouth breathing is the weak kind of breathing. It doesn't make the full use of the diaphragm.

 

[More AWS-8Q Than You]

"They've had two whole weeks to make a vaccine for this literally-brand-new virus 0/10 would not trust a science ever again"

I'm not going to defend the CDC or WHO or any of the politics in this absolute shitshow, but come on now.

That was never the point. We were told, in March, we would have a two week shut down to flatten the curve. It had nothing to do with vaccines, it was solely about flattening the curve. Which we did. It was then extended in most places through April and then, after the peak of Corona in the US, then they start talking about wearing masks. After everything was already declining.

 

[Houraisan Kaguya]

That was never the point. We were told, in March, we would have a two week shut down to flatten the curve. It had nothing to do with vaccines, it was solely about flattening the curve. Which we did. It was then extended in most places through April and then, after the peak of Corona in the US, then they start talking about wearing masks. After everything was already declining.

I actually agree with you on the vaccine point, I don't think masking nor lockdowns should be mandatory until a vaccine because that will likely take years. That's not feasible at all, and I don't really see anyone pushing for that.

However, the numbers go against your claim that everything was on the decline when masking became a "thing". Personally, the only time I was required to wear a mask prior to late May/early June was in healthcare settings, which even you would probably agree is kind of reasonable? I didn't see a "masks required" sign in front of a store until shit popped off after the rioting.