2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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If Trump loses 2020, you're absolutely right.

2024, I'm not so sure on. A lot of the neocons are old and might not be in as strong of a position after four more years of Trump
The GOP voters are probably going to want another Trump like populous in power too. If the GOP tries to rig the 2024 primaries in favor of a RINO / Neocon over a populous, something will give. I think your typical GOP voter is above rioting and burning shit to the ground. I'm not sure what will be their retaliation, but it'll be something.
 
If Trump loses 2020, you're absolutely right.

2024, I'm not so sure on. A lot of the neocons are old and might not be in as strong of a position after four more years of Trump
All I can say is I hope you're right. But remember, Trump's reelection isn't a guarantee. The shenanigans haven't even started yet.

They'll be in a very strong position... in the Democratic Party.
I'm not so sure about that one. Unless theres a split between the antifa wing of the democrats and the (relatively) less batshit ones.
 
I'm not so sure about that one. Unless theres a split between the antifa wing of the democrats and the (relatively) less batshit ones.
If the antifa wing of the Democrats does not win, then by elimination that means the neolibs will have won.

There is negligible difference between a neocon and a neolib. They'll fit right in over there. If no one told you Project Lincoln was an ostensibly Republican organization and not a Democrat one, you'd never know.
 
The GOP voters are probably going to want another Trump like populous in power too. If the GOP tries to rig the 2024 primaries in favor of a RINO / Neocon over a populous, something will give. I think your typical GOP voter is above rioting and burning shit to the ground. I'm not sure what will be their retaliation, but it'll be something.

I think Trump will have a very heavy hand in promoting a 2024 candidate. I don't think were going to have the normal party silence until after nomination, he'll be loudly commenting on the primaries. 2028 he could be dead or out of politics enough to not care as much, but I think 2024 will be a more succession candidate than normally seen in American politics when it's not a previous VP(I don't think Pence will be his choice actually, though he probably won't be attacked as heavy as others. Cruz is also heavily grooming himself for 2024 and will be interesting to see if Trump's treatment of his run)
 
They'll be in a very strong position... in the Democratic Party.
If the antifa wing of the Democrats does not win, then by elimination that means the neolibs will have won.

There is negligible difference between a neocon and a neolib. They'll fit right in over there. If no one told you Project Lincoln was an ostensibly Republican organization and not a Democrat one, you'd never know.
The RINOs have the best shot of getting in an office in the GOP. The dems, if they exist in their current form in 2024, will use them and then thrown them under the bus. Look what they did to Tulsi. And she's a moderate lib. Unless you agree 100% with the party line, the dems consider you public enemy number one.
 
The RINOs have the best shot of getting in an office in the GOP. The dems, if they exist in their current form in 2024, will use them and then thrown them under the bus. Look what they did to Tulsi. And she's a moderate lib. Unless you agree 100% with the party line, the dems consider you public enemy number one.
That makes the RINOs homeless, not at home with the GOP.
 
That makes the RINOs homeless, not at home with the GOP.
The main issue that will keep RINOs from finding a home with the Dems is the purity test. If the woke regressives and the squad didn't have as much power in the DNC, they might be welcomed in. The reason they have a home with the GOP is because the party doesn't require everyone to toe the line 100%. You can be somewhat liberal and still call yourself a republican. I mean, Trump is basically a RINO. He's a 90s liberal who didn't have a home and ran under the GOP banner because there wasn't any choice.

Even if these RINOs moved parties and followed the dem's party line to a T, they'd still be rejected and called DINOs because they once called themselves republicans.
 
If the antifa wing of the Democrats does not win, then by elimination that means the neolibs will have won.

There is negligible difference between a neocon and a neolib. They'll fit right in over there. If no one told you Project Lincoln was an ostensibly Republican organization and not a Democrat one, you'd never know.
I agree with you that theres no difference between a neocon and a neoliberal, but the neolibs are dying just as quickly as the neocons are. The antifa crowd arent going to flip R, so they have nowhere to go but a new party (which would bad for for the neolibs and for themselves)
 
I think Trump will have a very heavy hand in promoting a 2024 candidate. I don't think were going to have the normal party silence until after nomination, he'll be loudly commenting on the primaries. 2028 he could be dead or out of politics enough to not care as much, but I think 2024 will be a more succession candidate than normally seen in American politics when it's not a previous VP(I don't think Pence will be his choice actually, though he probably won't be attacked as heavy as others. Cruz is also heavily grooming himself for 2024 and will be interesting to see if Trump's treatment of his run)
Do people actually like Ted Cruz? I assumed the only reason he gets re-elected is because every incumbent Republican in Texas gets re-elected. Also his religiosity is a turn off, same with Pence. The new ‘working class disaffected former Democrat’ is not as likely to be a Bible-thumping Evangelical.
Going off that, it’ll also be interesting to see what continues to happen with legalizing marijuana, which seems to me to be the issue with the largest gap between the Republican base and the Republican elected officials.
 
Do people actually like Ted Cruz? I assumed the only reason he gets re-elected is because every incumbent Republican in Texas gets re-elected. Also his religiosity is a turn off, same with Pence. The new ‘working class disaffected former Democrat’ is not as likely to be a Bible-thumping Evangelical.
Going off that, it’ll also be interesting to see what continues to happen with legalizing marijuana, which seems to me to be the issue with the largest gap between the Republican base and the Republican elected officials.

Ted Cruz is an odd case, before 2018 he was a textbook Evangelical traditionalist neocon but then he became sorta "based" and started to distance himself from the old "fundie neocon" GOP playbook. I still think he's religiously devout but I also think a lot of his earlier stances were more performative so he could stay in the good graces of the Evangelical neocon establishment in the GOP at the time.

Plus, Ted Cruz is a Generation X'er as opposed to a Baby Boomer. I've noticed there are some subtle differences between Gen X fundies like Cruz and Boomer fundies like Pence or Sessions, and I doubt Cruz will want a return to the Satanic Panic or any of the hardliner redneck neocon stuff. As for marijuana reform, I could see Cruz personally opposing it but also not interfering in any attempts at legalization at state or federal levels.

If Trump can win 2020, I think we will definitely see the start of a Seventh Party realignment and I also the GOP's best chance for 2024 in that scenario would honestly be Kanye West with Ted Cruz as his VP.

Kanye's got the star power and if he does end up being a real Perot/Nader style spoiler for 2020 then he's shown he's got the ability to get the votes if he's with a major party. Ted Cruz has been in the Senate and he knows how the game is played in Washington but he's also young enough to not be an elderly geezer by the time 2024 rolls around unlike most of the Boomers who are in Congress, and can probably serve as a more reassuring and grounded backer to help keep Kanye from going too far off the deep end.

This may sound like wishful thinking, but I could see Ted Cruz backing a second more serious Kanye West run because they're both religiously devout
 
Kanye's got the star power and if he does end up being a real Perot/Nader style spoiler for 2020 then he's shown he's got the ability to get the votes if he's with a major party. Ted Cruz has been in the Senate and he knows how the game is played in Washington but he's also young enough to not be an elderly geezer by the time 2024 rolls around unlike most of the Boomers who are in Congress, and can probably serve as a more reassuring and grounded backer to help keep Kanye from going too far off the deep end.

This may sound like wishful thinking, but I could see Ted Cruz backing a second more serious Kanye West run because they're both religiously devout
The problem with Kanye is his Bipolar disorder, IMO.

It would need to be dealt with and moderated before he makes a serious run.
 
Ted Cruz is an odd case, before 2018 he was a textbook Evangelical traditionalist neocon but then he became sorta "based" and started to distance himself from the old "fundie neocon" GOP playbook. I still think he's religiously devout but I also think a lot of his earlier stances were more performative so he could stay in the good graces of the Evangelical neocon establishment in the GOP at the time.

Plus, Ted Cruz is a Generation X'er as opposed to a Baby Boomer. I've noticed there are some subtle differences between Gen X fundies like Cruz and Boomer fundies like Pence or Sessions, and I doubt Cruz will want a return to the Satanic Panic or any of the hardliner redneck neocon stuff. As for marijuana reform, I could see Cruz personally opposing it but also not interfering in any attempts at legalization at state or federal levels.

If Trump can win 2020, I think we will definitely see the start of a Seventh Party realignment and I also the GOP's best chance for 2024 in that scenario would honestly be Kanye West with Ted Cruz as his VP.

Kanye's got the star power and if he does end up being a real Perot/Nader style spoiler for 2020 then he's shown he's got the ability to get the votes if he's with a major party. Ted Cruz has been in the Senate and he knows how the game is played in Washington but he's also young enough to not be an elderly geezer by the time 2024 rolls around unlike most of the Boomers who are in Congress, and can probably serve as a more reassuring and grounded backer to help keep Kanye from going too far off the deep end.

This may sound like wishful thinking, but I could see Ted Cruz backing a second more serious Kanye West run because they're both religiously devout
While star power definitely helps a campaign get started, it's not the only thing. Trump's appeal was partly in that he could wield star power to address issues that most Republicans felt neglected on. The border wall "Mexico will pay for it/10 feet higher" may have seemed blustery, but it also showed a strong interest (especially compared to a milquetoast Romney one cycle before). His jobs focus was stronger and more driven than any mainstream politician in years. It wasn't a selling point, it was a spotlight.

I don't think Kanye could do that. He would need to reach in and hit an issue people feel is being neglected. I haven't really seen him fo that yet, just some entertaining antics.

He could suprise me, though. If he came out and said something like "I don't tolerate disrespect from people I pay, and neither will America. If foreign countries do not start backing American interests over our rivals, I will order a 100% halt on all aid they receive", I would absolutely accept him as Trump's heir apparent.
 
Do people actually like Ted Cruz? I assumed the only reason he gets re-elected is because every incumbent Republican in Texas gets re-elected. Also his religiosity is a turn off, same with Pence. The new ‘working class disaffected former Democrat’ is not as likely to be a Bible-thumping Evangelical.
Going off that, it’ll also be interesting to see what continues to happen with legalizing marijuana, which seems to me to be the issue with the largest gap between the Republican base and the Republican elected officials.

Ted Cruz is trying to reform his imagine, growing the beard to hide his fish-goblin features, joining in on le epic maymays about being the Zodiac Killer, putting forward doomed populist legislation like Senatorial term limits.

And after all that he struggled a bit again Beta O'Cuck.

He's trying to reform his image for a 2024 run, it's just not working that well.
 
I haven't seen this discussed anywhere: how much do you think chink coof will affect the election outcome? As in, if the coof spreads in more populated areas, and if the more populous cities are ran by dems, how many dem voters have died so far? Do you think that would be a relevant factor for when people show up to ballots?
 
I haven't seen this discussed anywhere: how much do you think chink coof will affect the election outcome? As in, if the coof spreads in more populated areas, and if the more populous cities are ran by dems, how many dem voters have died so far? Do you think that would be a relevant factor for when people show up to ballots?

Why do you think Cuomo sent a bunch of Typhoid Marys into the Retirement Homes in his area?

Dems have no problems voting while dead.
 
I haven't seen this discussed anywhere: how much do you think chink coof will affect the election outcome? As in, if the coof spreads in more populated areas, and if the more populous cities are ran by dems, how many dem voters have died so far? Do you think that would be a relevant factor for when people show up to ballots?
Massachusetts has about 6 million people and about 8000 dead from corona. Even in NYC the percentage of people who have died is low. I suppose it could make a difference in certain local races, but I doubt it.
 
Ted Cruz is trying to reform his imagine, growing the beard to hide his fish-goblin features, joining in on le epic maymays about being the Zodiac Killer, putting forward doomed populist legislation like Senatorial term limits.

And after all that he struggled a bit again Beta O'Cuck.

He's trying to reform his image for a 2024 run, it's just not working that well.
To be fair to Mr. Zodiac, his image reform didn't start until after he almost lost to Beta O'Rourke and it should be factored in exactly how much money the DNC spent on Beta only to lose.

I have a feeling people like the new killer more than the old, just not enough to win in 2024.8
 
To be fair to Mr. Zodiac, his image reform didn't start until after he almost lost to Beta O'Rourke and it should be factored in exactly how much money the DNC spent on Beta only to lose.

I have a feeling people like the new killer more than the old, just not enough to win in 2024.8
I like Ted 2.0, but someone like Tom Cotton or Josh Hawley will do everything they can to kneecap him if he starts eating into their populist base. Nikki Hayley might run as a moderate to appeal to the suburbs. And I guess in theory Mike Pence might want to be president, but no way can he run on being the third Trump term like Bush did after Reagan. It’ll be interesting to see how things shake out next time; I don’t think the GOP has any establishment figures who could even place.

Assuming we have a country left in 2024, of course.
 
I like Ted 2.0, but someone like Tom Cotton or Josh Hawley will do everything they can to kneecap him if he starts eating into their populist base. Nikki Hayley might run as a moderate to appeal to the suburbs. And I guess in theory Mike Pence might want to be president, but no way can he run on being the third Trump term like Bush did after Reagan. It’ll be interesting to see how things shake out next time; I don’t think the GOP has any establishment figures who could even place.

Assuming we have a country left in 2024, of course.
I'll agree that the GOP may have trouble with who's going to run in 2024 after Trump is out because they really don't seem to have many choices currently. I personally think the most Trump-like candidate will win in 2024.
 
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