You should read up on history, not just the US's but all over the world. Try Czechoslovakia and Spain during their civil war.
I don't think the world works the way you think it does.
Also, this is the second or third post in which you have suggested that people should be trying to convince you or people like you. You also commented that people who are angry about the way things are going in their country are selfish.
The Overton Window has been dragged kicking and screaming so far to the left its ridiculous. This is why these people talk about their revolution and reducation so darkly. They can't stand the ideological impurity going on around them further away from their precious city bastions.
It's also why it's funny watching the general collapse and the fallout from that in places like the UK. We've still got a lot of problems, but watching Labour's power shrink and them have to desperately appeal to idiots more and more is fun.
Yes, these riots are only in a small space and good for right wing propaganda. Except the rest of the MSM has been using these protests as a battering ram against Trump rather than police reform. And the lockdowns are making it worse as they have destroyed any semblance of normal life in these places that would stop this shit.
The Overton Window has been dragged kicking and screaming so far to the left its ridiculous. This is why these people talk about their revolution and reducation so darkly. They can't stand the ideological impurity going on around them further away from their precious city bastions.
It's also why it's funny watching the general collapse and the fallout from that in places like the UK. We've still got a lot of problems, but watching Labour's power shrink and them have to desperately appeal to idiots more and more is fun.
I don't think its as far left as they think it is. They've just been very good at getting people to not say anything. Apparently to the point where even moderately lefty people are scared to voice their opinions.
Yeah, no. He's actually a massive cockhead and has done more to rip apart the right in Ontario than any ANTIFA could ever do. He's booted from every single group he's ever joined, and has a Stomp on Sight order from numerous groups. He has massive delusions of grandeur and reees endlessly about how he's the only REAL patriot and everyone else is a cuck. Perhaps the most obnoxious guy in the whole Right. Picture @TamarYaelBatYah as a Hateriot, and you have this idiot. I won't post antifa sites here and give them any more platform, but google "Chris Vanderweid" and you'll get the picture. He should have his own thread here. Smacking 2 faggots with a helmet does not a hero make.
ETA he's also perhaps the most obnoxious Xtian Taliban kinda cunt you could ever imagine. Utter fucking faggot.
The ones he smacked were infamous antifa troon David Prychyta and a cunt named Tammy Kovich, who run an antifa terror support site found here: both have been imprisoned numerous times for organising violence and riots
Yes, these riots are only in a small space and good for right wing propaganda. Except the rest of the MSM has been using these protests as a battering ram against Trump rather than police reform. And the lockdowns are making it worse as they have destroyed any semblance of normal life in these places that would stop this shit.
Lol, and? I love how their attitude is "it's just a couple of city blocks bro."
Which is fine, when they're not your fucking city blocks. But what about when it is? What if it could be yours?
It's the same thing with these morons and the concept of aspiration when it comes to higher taxes and why people who won't ever pay them don't like them being applied. They don't even like the idea of the threat.
Libertarian "Boogaloo Boys" show up to the BLM/Antifa riots in Portland and pledge their support for the rioters. These are the most pathetic morons on the planet.
I don't think its as far left as they think it is. They've just been very good at getting people to not say anything. Apparently to the point where even moderately lefty people are scared to voice their opinions.
Lol, and? I love how their attitude is "it's just a couple of city blocks bro."
Which is fine, when they're not your fucking city blocks. But what about when it is? What if it could be yours?
It's the same thing with these morons and the concept of aspiration when it comes to higher taxes and why people who won't ever pay them don't like them being applied. They don't even like the idea of the threat.
wrong, it's by far the fastest and most effective way to stop a violent uprising, but you need to have the will to see it through to the end and go all-in.
you mentioned tienanmen square yourself: western media love to jerk off about le brave tank man standing up to evil oppression, but in reality the CCP's brutal crackdown on these protests was so effective that the pro democracy movement in china is now basically extinct. that's a huge success imo.
the key is to go all the way. no half measures. that is what america has done wrong in the past: once you open fire at kent state, you have to keep up the pressure and keep cracking down hard on them until they stop their antics entirely. arrest and imprison their leaders, root out their supporters in the press, etc. that's the part where america failed, and that's why the overall result was in favor of the protestors.
While I also think the response was brutal, Deng also lived during the Cultural Revolution and saw the students murder teachers and their families in the beginning, and most likely responded in a manner that would prevent them from even thinking about it. He also acted as a military leader, which against civilians can be seen as brutal (see: knee on neck/upper back which is used against suspected terrorists, but when done on civilians is seen as wtf).
I completely understand why Deng acted in the manner that he did, as from now on personally I will always be suspicious of any talk of "feminism" or "racial equality", much like how Russia is in terms of the LGB. The only thing wrong imo with the event is that people aren't allowed to talk about it.
Yeah, no. He's actually a massive cockhead and has done more to rip apart the right in Ontario than any ANTIFA could ever do. He's booted from every single group he's ever joined, and has a Stomp on Sight order from numerous groups. He has massive delusions of grandeur and reees endlessly about how he's the only REAL patriot and everyone else is a cuck. Perhaps the most obnoxious guy in the whole Right. Picture @TamarYaelBatYah as a Hateriot, and you have this idiot. I won't post antifa sites here and give them any more platform, but google "Chris Vanderweid" and you'll get the picture. He should have his own thread here. Smacking 2 faggots with a helmet does not a hero make.
ETA he's also perhaps the most obnoxious Xtian Taliban kinda cunt you could ever imagine. Utter fucking faggot.
I don't know who he is, but I appreciate the helmet slam. Is he as stupid as Kyle Chapman, aka Based Stick Man?
I appreciated what Kyle was doing at first, but after a while you could see he was simply an instigator more than a defender of liberty. Plus he was too quick to jump on the $$ bandwagon and started selling his shields and sticks.
Yeah, no. He's actually a massive cockhead and has done more to rip apart the right in Ontario than any ANTIFA could ever do. He's booted from every single group he's ever joined, and has a Stomp on Sight order from numerous groups. He has massive delusions of grandeur and reees endlessly about how he's the only REAL patriot and everyone else is a cuck. Perhaps the most obnoxious guy in the whole Right. Picture @TamarYaelBatYah as a Hateriot, and you have this idiot. I won't post antifa sites here and give them any more platform, but google "Chris Vanderweid" and you'll get the picture. He should have his own thread here. Smacking 2 faggots with a helmet does not a hero make.
ETA he's also perhaps the most obnoxious Xtian Taliban kinda cunt you could ever imagine. Utter fucking faggot.
Note that while the principled right will denounce those among it deemed too aggressive and unoptical, you will never see any such condemnation from the left of their own members who are a thousand times worse, from repeat pedophile rapists to "kill white children" activists.
Lately, I've been thinking that the police should start showing up with their own sound system and DJ, and use them to push calming / peaceful messages. The rioters show up with music / drums / megaphones, the police should meet them on that ground and deescalate their angry verbiage. Not tit-for-tat, the police should continuously DJ the entire event and proactively set the emotional tone. How could anyone commit arson while Happy Trails, YMCA, Macarena, etc, are playing?
Lately, I've been thinking that the police should start showing up with their own sound system and DJ, and use them to push calming / peaceful messages. The rioters show up with music / drums / megaphones, the police should meet them on that ground and deescalate their angry verbiage. Not tit-for-tat, the police should continuously DJ the entire event and proactively set the emotional tone. How could anyone commit arson while Happy Trails, YMCA, Macarena, etc, are playing?
They should blast marches and classical music like they do to deter hoodlums. I think @millais did a hilarious thread about its effectiveness.
Also, I don't know what happened after I went to bed. How did it end? Did the larpers just walk away, muttering about "next time!"? I said it before, these people are completely pathetic. It's really all about the social media praise for them. They don't have any real conviction. (Though didn't they actually have bombs, but police found them before they could be used?) Other than the lasers and saws they have nothing.
When did WU and BLA escalate to bombings? I think that might give a good timeline.
Yes, these riots are only in a small space and good for right wing propaganda. Except the rest of the MSM has been using these protests as a battering ram against Trump rather than police reform. And the lockdowns are making it worse as they have destroyed any semblance of normal life in these places that would stop this shit.
From your posts in this thread, you've always seemed like a reasonable person with good intentions, so I want to address some of the points you made in good faith.
First, the federal police are not letting these cities burn just to spite leftists. Violently ending any riot/protest has historically been a bad move, no matter how justified the police were in doing so. Almost every historical instance of it is almost always titled as a "massacre", and the police know this. Shit, even in American revolutionary history think of the "Boston Massacre". It began over an argument caused by a 13 year old shop assistant falsely accusing a British captain of not settling a debt to a shoemaker, and the 7 soldiers were surrounded by an angry mob of 400 people, literally taunting them to fire and pelting them with clubs and thrown shit. Did firing upon the crowd disperse them? Yep. But it also galvanized the revolutionaries, and the fact that the event is historically referred to as the "Boston Massacre" is pretty self evident point.
Next, I want to give some perspective on the Trump hysteria. I'm not saying that Trump is perfect, nor that Trump is beyond reproach. I have my own criticisms, but the hysteria against Trump is fucking insane and disproportionately huge. For some context, I live outside the US, in a city that's not affected in any real way by anything Trump does. And I work in an industry that is 100% not affected by America. In this past week two insane political scandals/events just happened, one of which deeply involves the leader of my country.
This past week, in my own countries politics our No. 1 political leader got exposed for a massive ethical violation of accepting payola "donations" from a charity that was then awarded a multi-million dollar government contract.
In my country, the bill that enshrines our rights, freedoms, and civil liberties has a proviso that these rights can only be restricted out of dire need when a state of emergency is declared. To enforce all the COVID lockdown laws, they had to declare a state of emergency, and then keep re-declaring it to continue the lockdown. This week, my equivalent of a state government passed a bill that allows for them to restrict those rights and freedoms outside of a state of emergency (and with no oversight) for the next two years "to help safeguard against COVID", despite the fact that in a population of almost 15M people we currently have less than 2k active infections, and less than 3k deaths total. Despite having such low numbers we still have insanely restrictive lockdown laws, which the politicians justify by stating that "we don't want to end up like America/Florida".
This Friday, my coworkers/bosses opened the morning meeting shitting on Trump for being 'dumb' because he 'bragged' about the difficulty of some test he took. Never once have they brought up my countries politics (despite these massive political events in my country this week), or mentioned any aspect of US politics that isn't just "Orange Man Bad". And outside of the Trump sperging, these are all fairly reasonable, pleasant, and intelligent people. The media/social media hysteria of "Orange Man Bad" is so intense that people in a different country unaffected by his decisions spout "Orange Man Bad" just from their only real exposure to US politics and events being MSM. I never saw any behavior like this from people here during Obama, Bush (father or son), or Clinton. So, you have to ask yourself: "Are Trump's actions so egregious that they justify the level of outrage on a social and media level?".
As an outside observer, my answer is no, they are not. If Trump was truly "part of the problem" in these riots, he would have sent in the tanks and Tienanmen Squared CHAZ. In a revolution, if you want to protect your people the worst thing you can do is give the revolutionaries martyrs. Forcibly ending these riots would only provoke more unrest. And the Federal government knows that too, which is why they're making the smart move of just bottling the riots and letting them either fizzle out, or the rioters start taking actions that will justify full force (armed insurrection, terrorist bombings, etc.).
Forcibly shutting down riots/protests does very little to stop a movement. Dogs, firehoses, and nightsticks didn't stop the civil rights movement, police and construction workers beating the fuck out of protesters didn't stop the anti-vietnam war movement, and given China's insane level of monitoring, censorship, and oppression of their own people, even rolling tanks in and gunning all the protesters down didn't help stop the unrest. It only fuels it. The only way to win is not to play.
There is another way to win. Its called genocide. Problem is many leaders in today's modern era don't have the will to carry that out.
And before anyone says its too edgy, genocide has been used by many empires and nations up till World War 2 to make their problems go away. The catch is that you have to win the war for the genocide to be successful.
wrong, it's by far the fastest and most effective way to stop a violent uprising, but you need to have the will to see it through to the end and go all-in.
you mentioned tienanmen square yourself: western media love to jerk off about le brave tank man standing up to evil oppression, but in reality the CCP's brutal crackdown on these protests was so effective that the pro democracy movement in china is now basically extinct. that's a huge success imo.
the key is to go all the way. no half measures. that is what america has done wrong in the past: once you open fire at kent state, you have to keep up the pressure and keep cracking down hard on them until they stop their antics entirely. arrest and imprison their leaders, root out their supporters in the press, etc. that's the part where america failed, and that's why the overall result was in favor of the protestors.
In other words, become what your enemies are trying to turn you into.
And then when it's their turn in power, they'll use those same powers themselves and this time they wont give them up.
The problem with your view is that you see it as a battle between factions. From the viewpoint of citizens and our children, it's a battle of Freedom vs. Authoritarianism. We're not going to get sucked in by saying "I think the puppet on the Right shares my beliefs". Before Trump, the Republican neocons had a lock on the Republican party and are just a different flavor of globalist. You care about the future, you don't embrace authoritarianism. Not unless you think you're part of the elite.
There is another way to win. Its called genocide. Problem is many leaders in today's modern era don't have the will to carry that out.
And before anyone says its too edgy, genocide has been used by many empires and nations up till World War 2 to make their problems go away. The catch is that you have to win the war for the genocide to be successful.