Different people mean different things but I mean the right to private property, the right to educate your children how you see fit, the right to defend yourself, others and your property and the right to speak and to trade as you wish. And a government that has ensuring those things to all as a focus. I'm sure I could come up with or find something better but in essence, by freedom I mean the limiting of the mob and of the state.
So now it's pre-crime. You've been talking about violent suppression and now you're justifying it based on what people will believe and say later in life? Not withstanding that most people grow more right wing and conservative as they grow older including, I am sure, a lot of people in this thread that are better off and we're better off because some authoritarian state didn't brand them with a scarlet A when they were twenty and lock them up or fire live rounds at them.
It is? If "bad" means the effect you have rather than your intent, then yes - adopting the methods of your enemy does make you as bad because the outcome is the same - the collapse of the freedoms that make the West better than Saudi Arabia or Turkmenistan or China. You're willing to throw out half the things that make the West Best because not killing a bunch of fence-destroying idiots and going after the actual leadership is too hard for you? That's dumb.
The means are what distinguishes the sides long term because the State will not limit its own power. It never has, it never will. And regimes are bad. You make the same mistake the marxists do - you think in an authoritarian regime you will be one of the ones in charge. Good luck, Winston.
Oh look, it's you again, deciding to be the naive moron unaware of reality and the constituencies of society in crisis - it appears you have a complete misunderstanding of psychology and sociology just based on recent history, lol, and live in some form of sheltered reality where things purvey nicely because you want them to - your entire argument is nothing but bleeding-heart nonsense designed to protect degenerates from death when they'd grant you that same death in a heartbeat; somehow, someway, your sheltered fucking upbringing has done nothing but created this mindset of 'everyone can be convinced to do the right thing!' and I don't know where the fuck that's reality other than a fairy-tale - I told you before you'd be the kind of person to look at someone staring at you with a fucking gun to your face and tell them, "you'll regret that later, you know!" and then they fire the fucking gun anyway because an emotional appeal to people who hate you is fucking
retarded. Didn't we get into this already? I want to like you, but Jesus Christ, I can easily expound on why I find this thoroughly..pitiable and fucking bad.
Hate to say it, but you essentially disgust the fuck out of me when you think about sparing people who would see children knocked the fuck out on the street (including yours, had you any), sparing people who have assaulted innocent elders, sparing people who have torn apart society at the motherfucking root - you literally do nothing but enable these people and with your rate of enabling this kind of shit, I
hope and pray it comes to your front door so you can test your pacifism to the face of militants who absolutely and utterly loathe you - you will find that reality has a very different kind of result and the lives of the political radicals you are so desperate to defend will themselves put your life on forfeit at a moment's notice -
you are defending the rights of people who'd knock your kids the fuck out, lol, what the fuck is wrong with you? Are you fucking insane? I'd reckon you would prefer implementing dove policy in a den of wolves and I'd reckon you'd be the first to be eaten alive. Maybe you should learn a couple of things about the pillars of Human nature and history, so you can identify where authoritarian societies have fixed the problems that rotted societies from the inside-out? South Korea was built by a right-wing dictatorship, and it's a cosmopolitan funland of pop culture and turbonerds - if it wasn't for that dictatorship, they'd still be set about 40 years behind like their North Korean neighbours and the man himself is still revered all across South Korea as an icon, considering after his assassination the country waded into military dictatorship, the 'bad kind of dictatorship' you keep bringing up, and lo and behold riots and instability ran amuck until democratization.
Stop being a fucking kneejerk tool, you fucking bleeding-heart tit - it's fucking stupid; your enabling does nothing but carry this shit on and tell those people they are free to commit violence at their leisure because there are
STILL SOMEHOW people in this country who'd try to defend their lives and their freedoms.
Not everyone is deserving of freedom, not everyone is deserving of rights, and authoritarian societies have a far better track record than you'd give them because your faggot-tint glasses prevent you from seeing past the ethos of "
I don't like someone telling me what to do and hurting all the other people, oh no!" - if you want examples of that, I'll freely fucking give them to you and show you the amount of allies we have who built their industrial basis out of authoritarian regimes; maybe you should flitter with the crowd of marxists you're so eager to defend and see if they'd defend you the same way.
