Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Creep3r]

Fuck. While all this Ray Park drama was happening, JW Rinzler finally decided it was time to give zero fucks and finally let it all out about how Disney literally made its employees retarded.

The tell all may not be finish but at least now we know some of what happened after that fateful day at the warehouse of horror. Big thanks to the WCB phatbois for getting Rinzler. Hope they get more interviews soon as there are many disgruntled ex-SW employees out there.

For those who don't have time to watch the whole video (still give it a go if you can), here are the most notable bits:

At Disney you were basically infantilized. Nobody was trusted, and you weren’t allowed to see things until it was far too late in terms of knowing how to, in a sense, how to maximize what you were doing in relation to this new film.

This explains why everything feels so disjointed, sterilized and even more inconsistent under Disney and confirms something that was said a while back in this thread about how it feels like every LFL employee is working separately from one another as made noticeable by that Kaleesh entry a while back.

And licensees, I don’t know about all of them, but a couple of the licensees that I worked with, I was unhappy because I thought, and again this is just my opinion, I thought they were being forced to jump through so many hoops that were unnecessary, just for security reasons. You know, these were people that we worked with for literally over a decade. You know, they could be trusted. It was just, it was damaging to our relationship, and make them jump through so many hoops.

So would you say it was damaging? Would people talk, were they taken aback? You've had this working relationship for up to a decade, was there any kind of thought, or did people just blindly accept, well this is how Disney runs stuff?

It was clear, that it made their jobs much harder to do. And it made the product not as good as it would have been.

Why did you leave Lucasfilm?

Basically, when I was executive editor, I had alot of autonomy. I was a director of publishing. But once she said it was okay to do a project, once the licensee and publisher signed on, we just did it. And I was in charge. And when it was done, and the licensee thought it was done, it was done. And all of the book proposals were pitched directly to us, and we had, we basically had a lot of control over what was going on, and we had a lot of autonomy.
But as Disney sort of slowly worked, you know in their defense they had to work Lucas licensing into their licensing program. They’re a bigger company. They had to adapt us to their working methods. I felt it basically took away all of my autonomy, which is one of the things that made the job fun. And then of course, I was no longer working with George Lucas.

I wasn’t working with anyone like him at Disney. And so it was just time to go. Also, Disney said I couldn’t write again. When I was actually at the company. Their policy was that an editor couldn’t write.

So those three big things were taken away. And I had been there for, by the time I had decided to go.

I had been there for 14... 15 years. It was time to go. I don’t regret it at all.

I guess this explains why proof reading and decent editing is more non-existent now when the only one seemingly allowed to do anything is Porgcuck (or so Porgcuck claims).

I love your Rise And Fall Of Star Wars blog (the Star Wars tell-all), hope the whole thing will somehow see the light of day.

Well, it would be nice. I have to have, you know, somebody who understands these things, and can advise me in terms of what you can and can’t do legally, and also have a publisher who is willing to publish it. But I think it’s an interesting story. I would like to publish it eventually.

I hope he's careful. But it shows he's still determined to see this published but its next to impossible as things are now... right?

 

[Oaat]

Not making it with scientists in mind means ignoring the radiation of gas giants in order to have your forest moons and cloud cities.
Making it retarded is not taking into account the existence of gravity on a gas giant in order to have a really boring explanation for a mystery.

Saturn doesn't have radiation in it's atmosphere like Jupiter's orbit iirc, and it even has Earthlike surface gravity. So something like cloud city would definitely be possible. As for Endor, maybe some gas giant moons have a strong magnetosphere. The galaxy has between 100-400 billion stars, so depending on the rarity of habitable planets overall, there should be good odds of getting a number of "unorthodox" systems in a galaxy-spanning setting.

JJ Abrams is just a simpleton.

 

[Aqua Panda]

That High Republic redesign is top tier stuff, just like the other redesigns he's done. God damn, I wish the guy was actually doing the art on the project.

As for the Jabba/cantina movie, it's the first I've heard of it but I'm bummed for multiple reasons. It COULD work, but it needs a capable writer/director behind it. Someone who could do the gritty crimeworld aspect.

As mentioned, it would have to delve into hard crime, drugs, sex, and prostitution. Disney would shy away from that. The old EU could do it tastefully. Remember Guri? The blonde human female droid that Xizor occasionally slept with because she was so lifelike? That wouldn't be done today. (Which is a damn shame because it was a great way to analyze both characters. Xizor for his unabashed degenerate behaviors and Guri as she went from being a standard droid who followed orders unquestionably, to becoming a sentient being who decided whom she slept with.)

If you want to do organized crime, you can't do the standard "tell, don't show" Disney defaults at.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

Remember Guri? The blonde human female droid that Xizor occasionally slept with because she was so lifelike? That wouldn't be done today. (Which is a damn shame because it was a great way to analyze both characters. Xizor for his unabashed degenerate behaviors and Guri as she went from being a standard droid who followed orders unquestionably, to becoming a sentient being who decided whom she slept with.)

I remember the Shadows Of The Empire comics focused on Guri being awesome. She always reminded me of a robot Mercy Grieves, in some ways.

 

[jspit]

What was militarily incoherent or strategically unwise about nuking the one planet that creates a pollen that can be used as a lethal exploit in your military's chief means of armor?


I can't really tell you how to feel, and you're certainly not alone in your sentiment, as it seems to be a personal hang-up with the Vong that a lot of people have (among other things).

I suppose all I can say is that for me, it was one of the things that made the Yuuzhan Vong terrifying. It forced the Jedi to essentially be as helpless and reliant on their wits as normal people around them, and thrust them into arguably the worst moral dilemma the Jedi has ever had to face. It made for many great narrative opportunities, many of which the authors definitely made use of.

When it comes to the ultimate revelation of why the Vong are immune to the Force, it's not just the turning point for the main characters...it's a turning point for many of the Vong characters as well, when they realize in that horrible moment that their religion, their culture and sense of honor, is all a shallow lie. And the characters react to that lie in different ways, generating new goals and motivations for them, as The Final Prophecy very compellingly shows.

It was something that in lesser hands, probably could've been handled terribly. When introducing something as game-changing as immunity to the Force, you need to be careful in how nuanced your explanation is and how you economize it in the narrative. To me, that's the difference between something like the Vong's twisted origins, and the complete wave-away concept of the Force Dyad in TROS that the writers had no interest in fleshing out or nurturing as a part of the lore. It's there for one-time use, to necessitate shallow pay-offs, and that's it.



I can't say I agree at all. Part of my big complaint with Dark Nest as a follow-up to NJO was the complete lack of interesting, varied and developed characters. The second the Vong characters were gone, I wanted them back. Tsavong Lah was a cunning and calculating villain, one I didn't find obnoxious at all---he symbolized a lot of the Vong's cruel religious fanaticism, and a threat that the story treated as deathly serious to the main characters. I even liked the way the writers showed his adherence to the caste and family traditions of the Vong culture, as demonstrated with his interactions with his father Tsulkang in Enemy Lines. He's pretty much everything I wanted from the Vong species when they were first introduced. On Harrar, while I feel he was actually underused and not that well-developed early on in the series, I really like the way he was used in the later books as one of the first Vong insurrectionists, and how he shows a remarkable amount of philosophizing and perspective once he's forced to confront the truth about his religion's falsehood, which he shares with Corran Horn (I also love his confrontation with Nom Anor in Final Prophecy). But Nen Yim was by far the biggest surprise, and my favorite Vong character by far---because she wasn't some hulking warrior or lethal assassin. She's introduced as an everywoman of the Vong culture, a young wide-eyed Shaper who's obviously been conditioned by the culture around her, but is actually motivated by her love of her craft and loyalty to her people....even to the extent that she's willing to face charges of heresy and execution if it means keeping them safe. We rarely see that kind of characterization for anatgonists of Star Wars, not without some larger redemption arc tied to them, or being a kind of combatant or large player in the military conflict at hand. Nen Yim's risking a lot, even though she likely can't do anything to save herself...she doesn't have the strength or training to avoid being killed, but she soldiers on anyway. And in spite of all of her efforts to save the Vong Civilians residing on the worldship she's frantically trying to fix, they're all mercilessly killed by Kyp Durron...leaving Nen Yim utterly and emotionally devastated, and filled with the kind of motivation to have a more vested interest in the defeat of the New Republic. It's one of the rare moments in Star Wars where the antagonist has a very rational and warranted reason to want the main characters dead, beyond the usual reason of them being "pesky, meddling Rebels". I think Greg Keyes was onto something when he introduced this character, and while I don't think all of her narrative potential was realized in the books, I still adore the role she played in the Vong's redemption as a species, and her position as the sole relatable and down-to-earth Vong character amongst a well-spring of what are essentially faith-blind, ruthless Knight Templars smearing the galaxy with the blood of perceived infidels.

I guess what I'm saying with all of this is that what kept the Vong from appearing in my eyes as just a "group of spikey-armored, uber-evil alien conquerors" was that on top of being one of the EU's finer examples of villains being driven not by simple conquest but by strong investment in their own morals (with the Vong literally believing that the GFFA populace, with their lifestyle and culture of debauchery and vile disrespect to the gods, are creating a taint on the galaxy for which the Vong are the only moral cure), but also because the specific Vong characters ushered to the forefront were multi-layered, and played a different role in the species' trajectory to redemption. Even as I go back and read books/comics about the Empire, I only rarely get flashes of the same satisfaction I had reading the constant exploits of these Vong characters, and their perspective on the war being fought. It's one of things that will keep me going back to NJO for years, and make it a highlight of the Expanded Universe for me.

But I'm enjoying LOTF tremendously for its main villain, so the Vong certainly have competition for their placement on my list of all-time great threats of the EU.

I'm not ignoring you, just life has moved on.

That High Republic redesign is top tier stuff, just like the other redesigns he's done. God damn, I wish the guy was actually doing the art on the project.

As for the Jabba/cantina movie, it's the first I've heard of it but I'm bummed for multiple reasons. It COULD work, but it needs a capable writer/director behind it. Someone who could do the gritty crimeworld aspect.

As mentioned, it would have to delve into hard crime, drugs, sex, and prostitution. Disney would shy away from that. The old EU could do it tastefully. Remember Guri? The blonde human female droid that Xizor occasionally slept with because she was so lifelike? That wouldn't be done today. (Which is a damn shame because it was a great way to analyze both characters. Xizor for his unabashed degenerate behaviors and Guri as she went from being a standard droid who followed orders unquestionably, to becoming a sentient being who decided whom she slept with.)

If you want to do organized crime, you can't do the standard "tell, don't show" Disney defaults at.

I don't, I want the Disney shit to flop, hard. Nuke it from orbit, its the only way to be sure.

 

[White Devil]

I wish Disney's shit would flop so hard that they would sell SW but honestly, they never will.

 

[Cactuar King]

I wish Disney's shit would flop so hard that they would sell SW but honestly, they never will.

Trust me, we all want that.

 

[cjv97]

I wish Disney's shit would flop so hard that they would sell SW but honestly, they never will.

I wish but I bet the only thing that would been the same is Filoni.

I know this not gonna happen but i just wanted see not the best but a decent Clone Wars-like show just so i can see a on-screen Grievous being portrayed perfectly and not so underpowered to the dirt. so I wouldn't have to worry about fans shitting on Grievous all the time cause we're still stuck with Filoni shitty version of Grievous where he too underpowered to the dirt, only win when he defeated undead zombie, clone trooper but not any Jedi, all that just to shame him because it didn't make sense for a great general to become subservient and not really seeing Grievous able to win a lightsaber fight against Ventress only because doesn't have any Force power while willing to play dirty to win also he became a joke all the way until S7.

I really wish we could've seen something similar like this on-screen in the Filoni Wars and I feel like there a lot of miss opportunity.

 

[HeyYou]

Also Hal Hickle director of ILM and lead animator for the prequels drank the koolaid.
https://disneystarwarsisdumb.wordpress.com/2020/07/24/the-hickel-hole/ Everyone at Lucasfilm is corrupted it seems.

This guy is so stupid. Grant, for a minute, that all the examples people give for Lucasfilm employees being antagonistic in the thread really are wrong, and anyone who got offended after reading those tweets just misinterpreted the message. I can give an example that would counter his motto of "just be nice" and "let people enjoy things":

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Mandalorian got nominated for Best Drama at the Emmys.

‘The Mandalorian’: ‘Star Wars’ Series Breaks Disney+ Into Emmys With 15 Noms Including Surprise Best Drama Nod

Disney+’s flagship streaming series wowed this morning, with a surprise best drama Primetime Emmy nomination this morning out of a stellar 15, technically repping the first Emmy nominations f…

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[Adamska]

Mandalorian got nominated for Best Drama at the Emmys.

‘The Mandalorian’: ‘Star Wars’ Series Breaks Disney+ Into Emmys With 15 Noms Including Surprise Best Drama Nod

Disney+’s flagship streaming series wowed this morning, with a surprise best drama Primetime Emmy nomination this morning out of a stellar 15, technically repping the first Emmy nominations f…

deadline.com

Wonder how many favors the Rat called to get that particular nod? Because they don't have the money to bribe.

 

[James Roancrest]

As bad as Disney's Star Wars has been, The Mandalorian is the best thing they've put out. Maybe this nomination can convince them to not shove in unnecessary crossover characters from Filoni's shows (yeah, I'll get rated optimistic for this one).

 

[Adamska]

As bad as Disney's Star Wars has been, The Mandalorian is the best thing they've put out. Maybe this nomination can convince them to not shove in unnecessary crossover characters from Filoni's shows (yeah, I'll get rated optimistic for this one).

Dave's deadset on doing this though, likely because he believes that if his OC sues are live action, they can finally fully count. This is a man who I wholeheartedly believe cried when the Clone Wars movie wasn't liked. He already runs to the producer or executives to tattle and demand things behind his coworkers, so I don't see him as much more than a manchild anyway.

 

[James Roancrest]

Dave's deadset on doing this though, likely because he believes that if his OC sues are live action, they can finally fully count. This is a man who I wholeheartedly believe cried when the Clone Wars movie wasn't liked. He already runs to the producer or executives to tattle and demand things behind his coworkers, so I don't see him as much more than a manchild anyway.

Yeah, you're probably (and unfortunately) right.

 

[ZMOT]

Wonder how many favors the Rat called to get that particular nod? Because they don't have the money to bribe.

knowing 2020, current year hollywood and clown word in general my assumption is the competition was just dogshit.

 

[White Devil]

While Mandalorian is the best product Disney Star Wars has put out, that is definitely not a high bar. While I enjoyed Mandalorian, it sure as shit isn't worthy of any drama awards. Shit is literally just a Clint Eastwood movie with a Star Wars skin.

 

[nanny911]

I've expected this since May or so, but now rumour has it that the Plan IX comic has been cancelled. I had a feeling this would happen simply because Karen Houser hasn't uttered a peep about it in months (plenty about her AC town, tho) and the fact that it's the only comic on Wookieepedo that didn't get a new release date. I pretty much agree with Nerdotic in his video, I hate Disney Wars but it's still sad that the tradition of comic adaptations has ended and all because of Bat Flu. The comic would've sucked ass because Houser is a dogshit writer but I'm sad that I can't review it and tear it apart with y'all like I did the novel. Interestingly enough, Nerdotic mentions that Houser was told to stay silent about the comic which reaffirms what Rinzler said about Disney keeping all writers under lockdown in regards to projects until the last second.

The embarrassing fall of Star Wars continues with a whimper, and it is amazing how quickly world events overshadowed Star Wars IX.

 

[The Fresh Maker]

While Mandalorian is the best product Disney Star Wars has put out, that is definitely not a high bar. While I enjoyed Mandalorian, it sure as shit isn't worthy of any drama awards. Shit is literally just a Clint Eastwood movie with a Star Wars skin.

I mean, award shows are shit anyway. They're run by people who have shit taste and don't understand the very concept of art. I mean just look at the Oscars.

 

[BipolarPon]

While Mandalorian is the best product Disney Star Wars has put out, that is definitely not a high bar. While I enjoyed Mandalorian, it sure as shit isn't worthy of any drama awards. Shit is literally just a Clint Eastwood movie with a Star Wars skin.

I really liked the first season, but basing it on the leaks, I'm calling season 2 The Filonilorian.

 

[Creep3r]

Apparently another Disney project just got cancelled ya'll! The Plan 9: Rise of Soywalker comic from Marvel just got canned despite massive shilling a few months ago. Along with many other comics still in hiatus or on hold, who knows what else to expect.

Edit: Fuck. Ninja'd by Nanny.

Famed Archaeology Professor Fired After Photos Surface Of Him Wearing Nazi Uniform

BEDFORD, CT—Professor of archeology, expert in the occult, and obtainer of rare antiquities, Dr. Henry Jones Jr. has been suspended indefinitely from Marshall College after multiple photos have surfaced of him wearing Nazi uniforms.“We're shocked and horrified by Dr. Jones’s association with the...

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This is pure gold parody material here. If Indiana Jones was real, I fully expect this to happen or for this to be used as a reason for why he needs to be replaced with a female OC by Disney.

That High Republic redesign is top tier stuff, just like the other redesigns he's done. God damn, I wish the guy was actually doing the art on the project.

As for the Jabba/cantina movie, it's the first I've heard of it but I'm bummed for multiple reasons. It COULD work, but it needs a capable writer/director behind it. Someone who could do the gritty crimeworld aspect.

As mentioned, it would have to delve into hard crime, drugs, sex, and prostitution. Disney would shy away from that. The old EU could do it tastefully. Remember Guri? The blonde human female droid that Xizor occasionally slept with because she was so lifelike? That wouldn't be done today. (Which is a damn shame because it was a great way to analyze both characters. Xizor for his unabashed degenerate behaviors and Guri as she went from being a standard droid who followed orders unquestionably, to becoming a sentient being who decided whom she slept with.)

If you want to do organized crime, you can't do the standard "tell, don't show" Disney defaults at.

Honestly a cantina movie could've worked if they followed a theme similar to Tales from the Cantina. A noire style detective or rogue story as the protagonist ends up becoming affiliated with influential people in the Cantina, like its owner Chalmun or barmaid Ackmena as he explores the stories of its many patrons for clues and info for whatever the hell the mcguffin or case might be.

And as you said, the book covered all areas; crime, drugs, sex, drinking, cheating and assholes of all kinds. One of these stories even became mainstream and even spawned a great parody on youtube, that being the story of Figrin D'an and the Modal Nodes.

With the eponymous cantina band having been royally screwed over by their band leader by his own greed and bad habits.

There's enough material in the book for not just serious shit but even comedy.

Like this asshole ruining his life and eyesight due to salt being like ultra-cocaine to his kind. Partly referenced in Disney but they dropped the obvious cocaine parallels and simply mention that his eyes turned yellow from drinking too much juice.

Then there's the classic Bogart scenario "always be careful around pretty dames".

You might end up getting more than what you bargained for... And that's not a tranny joke I swear. This one was also written by Zahn.
Could easily be antagonists in such a film.

Then there's the horror genre that will make you say "yeah, this is why you shouldn't fuck outside your species".

Dude on the left, a sick old perv and bounty hunter who's been around the block one too many times and now just wants to find the weirdest and easiest game he can fuck and go where no alien goat man has gone before. The "chick" on the right, a young and impressionable reptoid lass of sophisticated upbringing who wants to experience a dangerous and passionate romance full of risk away from the traditions of her home planet. However one of them is about to find that when you play stupid games, you win terrible prizes. Surprisingly still canon in Disney, but they keep it vague, simply describing them as "the dangers of romancing".

Or some genuinely emotional subplots.

Like Muftak and Kabe. One is a lonely and miserable beastly being who has lived as an outcast on a hot desert world his whole life with no idea of who or what he even is, while the other is an orphaned child who he took pity on, seeing a kindred spirit also abandoned in a cruel world, with both making a living doing lowly oddjobs just to get by and the only escape from their misery being their only friend in the world, liquor... A cruel indulgence but the only escape, even for a child, in this mad town of scum called Mos Eisley. The only thing keeping him going being the desire to make enough money to buy a way off Tatooine and take Kabe to her species home planet so she knows that she at least has a better place to go to, unlike poor Muftak himself who has no idea what he is nor does anyone else, but if he can give this poor child a chance he could never have, he'll surely give it. Could easily be secondary main characters to the main protagonist of such a film if it were to have been made.

Crime.... and bigotry done right unlike in most Disney shit.

This droid hating son of a bitch has more than his fair share of bloody skeletons in his closet.

And many more.

However the last one was... quite the odd doozy... In short love is blind. Like really fucking blind. I mean I get what the authors were doing, showing that wisdom and love are not limited to appearance in a world of so many life forms, but its so really freaking odd. Yet I can't stop thinking about it...

While Mandalorian is the best product Disney Star Wars has put out, that is definitely not a high bar. While I enjoyed Mandalorian, it sure as shit isn't worthy of any drama awards. Shit is literally just a Clint Eastwood movie with a Star Wars skin.

It along with the Anakin/Kenobi comic, Luceno's stuff and maybe the first EAfront is probably one of the few things Disney's hasn't completely fucked up at, but shitty sequel aliens and references aside, the show is good but the Tracking Fob nonsense bothers me to no end. Its not just some detector, its a device that according to Disney info leads you straight to whatever or whoever you're looking for no matter where you are in the galaxy with utmost precision, thus eliminating the need for investigation, search and risk. It can perfectly track whatever or whoever you want and is about as broken as the "tracking system" shit in TFA. Compare this to (something more mainstream about bounty hunting here) the Jango Fett video game. In that game, your main target is a rogue batshit crazy leader of a drug cartel. But you just don't pull out a remote control from your ass that leads you right to her hideout, you have to jump through flaming hoops and leap over all kinds of hurdles to find her or anyone that can lead you to her, and instead of a magic "fob", you have a holonet database detailing rumors and last know locations for fugitives, and a scanner which can analyze faces in crowds to match up with visual records rather than lead you straight to the perp. The best way for Jango to capture his target was for him to study what was known about the cartel and find bounties wanted by rich and influential people in the underworld and thus deliver them to the influential fucks and instead of money demanded info on how to "meet or work with" the elusive leader of the drug cartel. By just adding a mcguffin tracker, you end up taking away one of the best parts about bounty hunting, that being the hunt. So to make the show interesting, they had to make the hunter become the hunted because there's not much else they can fucking do... Hence why the Egg episode was probably the one that caught my interest the most.