Inactive Nick Bate / Nickalaus B. Stoutzenberger (Thread 2: THE RECKONING)

[Airgetlam]

It's finals week so I didn't get around to posting until now, but I'm happy to hear that the nightmare is coming to a close for you, @Ancani, and for Amber (even if she'll likely never see this). It's good to know that things are taking a turn for the better for you and I hope that the same can be said for her.

I manage the tabletop club on campus so I've encountered some real reekers, but I just can't wrap my head around people actively and deliberately avoiding bathing.

 

[DangerousGas]

Soap is an Alpha's tool of oppression, remember.

 

[CWCissey]

Soap is an Alpha's tool of oppression, remember.

 

[LordCustos3]

Eh, to be honest, that has the potential to be a pretty hilarious pairing. Unwashed delusional moron who believes he was abused shacking up with an equally-unwashed schizotypal prat who believes what he did isn't abuse - what could possibly go wrong?

"On November 13, Ayuviya Harel was asked to remove himself from the city of Philly; that request came from the Occupy Movement. Deep down, he thought he wasn't wrong, but he also knew that some day he would return to Philly to menace it again. With nowhere else to go, he appeared at the home of his friend, Nick Bate. Several years earlier, Bate's aunt had thrown HIM out, requesting that HE never return. Can two delusional 'spergs share an squalid squat without driving each other crazy?"
*Cue theme from The Odd Couple*​

 

[3rd Continuance]

I'm late to the party on this one, but I think that Nick being arrested and jailed is probably the best thing that could have happened to the guy, given the circumstances. He's in the system now, and will likely be given - forcefully, if necessary - the treatment he needs. I don't feel sympathy for Nick given his actions, but it's pretty clear that he was failed in a big way by his family. If you abstract away from the particularities of the situation which make him so repugnant, what you're left with is a schizotypal man with severe anxiety and cognitive impairments whose family is actively ignoring him and his problems.

What struck me the most in his psychiatric evaluation was that when asked what he would do if there were a fire on his stove, he responded with "probably text my aunt". No mention of a fire extinguisher, or 911. That, and his documented inability to understand the wrongness of his actions or accept that he even did anything wrong in the first place. These are genuine cognitive impairments, and this is not someone who is just a disgusting, pedophiliac sperg. He has mental health problems that were not being addressed, and his family's solution was effectively to treat him like Bertha in Jane Eyre: stick him in the attic and ignore him.

Now that he's been arrested, he will almost certainly be put on a treatment program, and one that is more rigorous than he has ever experienced. He deserves to spend the requisite 25 to life in the clink for what he did, but he also deserves treatment. Hopefully he gets both.

 

[Petronella]

I'm just hoping Amber will be alright from a mental health standpoint in all of this. She's already genetically predisposed to mental illness, and then to be repeatedly molested (by a family member, no less) and essentially told to shut up about it doesn't bode well. It seems like her father is pretty proactive about things, though, so...

 

[AnOminous]

I'm late to the party on this one, but I think that Nick being arrested and jailed is probably the best thing that could have happened to the guy, given the circumstances. He's in the system now, and will likely be given - forcefully, if necessary - the treatment he needs.

Maybe in a more enlightened jurisdiction, this would be the case, but this is murrica, and where Nick is, a rural Pennsylvania facility called Lancaster County Prison, is basically a hellhole. It's not especially awful by such standards, but pretty bad.

They don't really have any mental facilities there. If you're too whacked out to act normal, which Nick is, the "treatment" is they throw you in solitary, where you're locked up for 23 hours a day with no human contact, and then let out an hour to bathe or exercise, two things Nick doesn't do.

He might get treatment after sentencing if he ends up in some state facility that actually specializes in prisoners like him, but for now, he can expect to have a pretty shitty time.

(And while I'm generally for better prison conditions, fuck Nick. Too bad it's not even worse.)

 

[Ravenor]

I'm just hoping Amber will be alright from a mental health standpoint in all of this. She's already genetically predisposed to mental illness, and then to be repeatedly molested (by a family member, no less) and essentially told to shut up about it doesn't bode well. It seems like her father is pretty proactive about things, though, so...

Hopefully her apple fall's far from the Genetic tree, but she seems to have more going for her with her just going to her Dad an telling him what's gone down.

 

[3rd Continuance]

He might get treatment after sentencing if he ends up in some state facility that actually specializes in prisoners like him, but for now, he can expect to have a pretty shitty time.

It is only after sentencing that I'm talking about. He's not fucked up enough to be held in a special facility pre-trial. Hopefully his pre-trial accommodations will put a dent in his famous inability to comprehend consequences for his actions. The therapy he needs will be very long-term, and he may never be judged ready for release. But I don't think that a few months of county is a bad thing for someone of his depravity to experience.

 

[Yawning Bulbasaur]

Nick, at one point, mentioned that he was going to go to a TMBG show...but he never mentioned it again, which seems odd from him. As such, we can assume it didn't pan out.

I think it was while he was attending Penn Manor High School and he was missing class on purpose as part of his goal to "never graduate high school", it was either his principal or his counselor who bought him tickets to one of their concerts to get him to attend classes. He didn't even get to see the whole show since his aunt took him and they had to go back home by a certain time.

I'm just mentioning this because I'm seeing them tomorrow night (for like the zillionth time, but still) and the fact that I'm going to be doing something he'll never get to do is ridiculously satisfying.

There will also be no listening to TMBG, no Weird Al, no Pokémon, no Digimon, no Bonus Stage, no Homestar Runner, no Family Guy, no Doctor Who, no McDonald's, and when he gets out (if ever) he will be grounded grounded grounded grounded grounded Mega Ultra Super Grounded Turbo HD Remix for 4917284628371927299 years, and there will be no Internet, no alcohol (I believe most/all sex offenders are prohibited from drinking, correct me if I'm wrong), no visiting Canada (since convicted felons aren't allowed), no voting to keep conservative bigots out of office, and there will be absolutely no marrying Wife EVAR!!!!!!!

 

[KatsuKitty]

Now that he's been arrested, he will almost certainly be put on a treatment program, and one that is more rigorous than he has ever experienced. He deserves to spend the requisite 25 to life in the clink for what he did, but he also deserves treatment. Hopefully he gets both.

No he won't. The prison system is not funded for or designed to improve the lives of inmates. The prison system is designed to ruin your life.

Not that Nick Bate doesn't deserve that, though.

 

[3rd Continuance]

No he won't. The prison system is not funded for or designed to improve the lives of inmates. The prison system is designed to ruin your life.

Not that Nick Bate doesn't deserve that, though.

That is very much state-by-state and even case-by-case, though, isn't it? Most states have psychiatric hospitals for people with mental illnesses who have committed crimes. I may be placing more faith in the American justice system than I should (I'm not American) but where I live, someone like Nick would absolutely be convicted of his crimes (if he is found guilty) and sentenced to a term in a psychiatric facility. He fits the bill of others who end up in such facilities to a T: his mental problems are highly specific (e.g. he's not stupid, but he is very much cognitively impaired), he would benefit from psychiatric care, and he should be kept in a secure facility out of society at large. Again, I don't want to seem like an apologist here, because his crime is hideous and deserves punishment, but as someone who has done a fair amount of work with people who have mental illnesses, the guy is quite clearly not right in the head. What keeps leaping out to me is his inability to understand the wrongness of his actions, and his inability to accept consequences for his actions, as well as his chronic isolation from society at large. Those three things are a recipe for taking someone who is mentally ill and potentially functional and turning them into a danger to others.

 

[AnOminous]

That is very much state-by-state and even case-by-case, though, isn't it? Most states have psychiatric hospitals for people with mental illnesses who have committed crimes.

The state of psychiatric hospitals for what used to be called the criminally insane are often atrocious and sometimes, even worse than prisons.

 

[Red_Rager]

That is very much state-by-state and even case-by-case, though, isn't it? Most states have psychiatric hospitals for people with mental illnesses who have committed crimes. I may be placing more faith in the American justice system than I should (I'm not American) but where I live, someone like Nick would absolutely be convicted of his crimes (if he is found guilty) and sentenced to a term in a psychiatric facility. He fits the bill of others who end up in such facilities to a T: his mental problems are highly specific (e.g. he's not stupid, but he is very much cognitively impaired), he would benefit from psychiatric care, and he should be kept in a secure facility out of society at large. Again, I don't want to seem like an apologist here, because his crime is hideous and deserves punishment, but as someone who has done a fair amount of work with people who have mental illnesses, the guy is quite clearly not right in the head. What keeps leaping out to me is his inability to understand the wrongness of his actions, and his inability to accept consequences for his actions, as well as his chronic isolation from society at large. Those three things are a recipe for taking someone who is mentally ill and potentially functional and turning them into a danger to others.

It is not excusing him to acknowledge he still needs psychological help. He should have received it a long time ago before things escallated as far as they had

 

[Chan the Wizard]

@3rd Continuance unfortunately the U.S. prison system isn't really interested in reforming or helping prisoners. If, and that's a big if, Nick gets any help, it'll be drug cocktails, sex offender therapy (which is terrible and not helpful, you can read experience about it online, because there some cases where good therapy could help, especially in the case of juvenile offenders) and then once he gets out nothing. He may be required to take sex offender classes once he's out, but unless there major changes in the next decades, he will probably never get a job, will be barred from living from most locations and will wind up on the streets.

I could sperg about the problems with our prison system a lot more, but the funding and political capital to make any changes isn't there. Any proposal to help prisoners is seen as soft on crime and no politician is willing to put their career on the line for them. Once you're a felon, your life as you know it is over, if you're a felon child molester, you might as well eat a bullet for what your future holds (granted it's difficult to feel sympathy for them).

If Nick survives prison, he'll be homeless, off his meds and will probably quickly end up back in prison for violating sex offender registration laws (needing an address, not being allowed in parks, etc).

 

[ChuckSlaughter]

He looks almost normal.

That's intensely distressing.

His strangely normal appearance is one of his worst features IMHO. He seemed so normal and casual as he explained "everyone that knows me knows I'm a corpophilliac." More casually than someone might explain they're a hetrosexual, more like how someone might explain they like buffalo wings.

 

[Dudeofteenage]

His strangely normal appearance is one of his worst features IMHO.

It's true, Nick looks normal.

Luckily for those who encounter him IRL, there are other senses available.

 

[AnOminous]

It's true, Nick looks normal.

Luckily for those who encounter him IRL, there are other senses available.

He looks normal until he opens his mouth, both literally because of his foul teeth and because of what actually comes out of his mouth.

And as you point out, the sense of smell exists, and he is described by those who have encountered him, specifically at least one mental health worker, as "malodorous."

 

[Dudeofteenage]

And as you point out, the sense of smell exists, and he is described by those who have encountered him, specifically at least one mental health worker, as "malodorous."

And it's worth noting that his aunt probably bullied him into taking a shower prior to that interview, so it can be presumed he usually smells even worse.

 

[Flowers For Sonichu]

I was gonna post this earlier, is it normal for prisons to bill the sentenced inmates for their stay or is that a PA thing? If Nick ever gets out of the slammer will the state hand him a bill for however many years he was there?

Usually they have prisoners pay it off by doing work in a prison factory or chain gang and paying them a ridiculously low wage where it's basically slavery. My hometown's christmas decorations were always put up with prison labor.