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Have You Been ‘Wokefished’ While Dating? Here’s How to Tell

If a dude describes himself on Hinge as a “feminist”, pay close attention to how he actually treats women.
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By Serena Smith
28 July 2020, 1:46pm

When I was about 17, I decided to go vegan (I was trying a lot of things at the time, including getting my nose pierced, which I considered a serious act of rebellion). Anyway, I mentioned my new veganism to the guy I was seeing at the time, and to my surprise, he seemed really annoyed. He responded with an uninterruptible lecture on the importance of supporting British farmers. I can still remember one of his appalled, patronising texts: “_Oh god, you’re not gonna become one of those vegan feminists, are you??_”

I was confused. He hadn’t come across like someone who hated “vegan feminists” – so where had this come from?
I ended things a little while later, which prompted a barrage of texts from him with a lot of derogatory language. It confirmed what I’d begun to suspect: as much as he’d reeled me in with an outwardly “woke” persona, in reality, we were never going to see eye to eye. I had been wokefished.

“Wokefishing”, put simply, is when people masquerade as holding progressive political views to ensnare potential partners. A wokefish may at first present themselves as a protest-attending, sex-positive, anti-racist, intersectional feminist who drinks ethically sourced oat milk and has read the back catalogue of Audre Lorde, twice. But in reality, they don’t give a shit. Or, as is often the case, they are actively the opposite in their personal lives. It’s sort of like catfishing, but specifically with political beliefs.

A lot of us have been wokefished. Maybe more so now than ever. Crises such as the tragic murder of George Floyd and the coronavirus pandemic have thrown societal injustices into even sharper relief over the past few months, and as a result, there’s been much greater emphasis on individual agency when it comes to the urgent dismantling oppressive systems. It’s no surprise that singles are now consciously choosing partners who are on the same wavelength as them – just as it’s no surprise that others are adapting to circumvent this.

Tom*, 23, is from Bristol, and has a lot to say about being wokefished. “I remember on my first date with this guy, we spoke about racism in the UK. Over the coming weeks we spoke a lot about diversifying the curriculum and issues surrounding the monarchy. It was all great! But then we passed the honeymoon phase and, oh boy, did this guy turn out to be something else,” he says.
The guy Tom was seeing was definitely not putting his words into practice. “As much as he would talk about being progressive, he would laugh at racial slurs. It was like he used being a ‘social justice warrior’ as a personality trait, but did the exact opposite.”

Relationships falling apart because of differing beliefs is hardly uncommon. Research found that in 2016, over 1.6 million relationships crumbled due to rows about Brexit. A more recent study, from 2018, found that people are less likely to be romantically interested in those with political beliefs divergent from their own. It’s clear that political beliefs are an extremely valid factor to consider when weighing up a potential partner: and if you’ve paid for an upgraded Bumble or Hinge account, you can even filter out profiles from certain political standpoints. But what about if you only find out weeks, or even months after the fact?
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Wokefishing can be particularly disturbing and damaging when those on the receiving end belong to marginalised groups themselves. Hannah, 19, was in a relationship with her ex for six months. Like Tom, she thought her and her partner shared common ground to begin with. “When we first started talking, he spoke about how awful he thought the ‘whiteness’ of his education was, and how he wished the south of England [where he was from] was more diverse.”

But things quickly went downhill and in the most extreme way possible. “He introduced me to his home friends as ‘his dirty Arab girlfriend’ and passed it off as a joke,” she remembers. “Then one day, he sat me down, started crying and told me he used to be involved with Nazi groups. He said before he’d met me he wouldn’t have wanted to marry a non-white person because he’d thought – quote – ‘mixed race children were impure’.” Hannah broke up with him shortly after.

Zara, 23, was wokefished too. After being in a relationship with her ex for a year, she realised that some his views seemed really off, in a way they hadn’t to begin with. “[Initially], he seemed very philosophical, artistic and well-read. He was passionate about the environment and staunchly opposed the likes of Jordan Peterson,” Zara recalls.

“However, he would want to debate every argument and play devil’s advocate the whole time. He didn’t accept that some things are fundamental to people’s identity and not up for questioning,” Zara explains, pinpointing the moments when his true colours began to show. “Once he tried arguing with my queer best friend that straight people were as oppressed as gay people. I found the incessant need to debate exhausting and often upsetting, and he never acknowledged his own privilege.”

Zara eventually ended things after realising that she “didn’t realistically have enough in common with him”.

Layla, a qualified sex and relationships educator who runs the Instagram account Lalalaletmeexplain, believes relationships between truly like-minded people are much more likely to be successful in the long run. In essence: there’s little point trying to compromise with a wokefish. “For people who understand that political beliefs affect human rights, it is unlikely a healthy relationship could be sustained with someone whose values don’t align with ours,” she explains. “A lot of recent political movements are based on moral values. These are things that you cannot ‘agree to disagree’ on, because they have a direct impact on the welfare of other human beings.”

Layla says that deception like this can be hugely damaging for those on the receiving end. “Realising that you have been deceived by a romantic partner can have devastating and long lasting effects,” she says. “The person who was deceived may be led to question their whole reality and feel uncertain about their ability to judge people correctly.”

Any relationship is essentially an ongoing process of learning more and more about your partner, until you know everything: from how milky they like their tea, to the specific taste of their saliva and their deep fear of cats. It’s normal to amplify or tone down certain facets of your personality in the earlier stages of a relationship (why tell someone on a first date about your secret, obsessive love of Simply Red?) But pretending to believe in certain values when you really don’t is straight up weirdo behaviour.

But also, if you’re a wokefish, it might genuinely be worth considering: why do I hold views that I’m too ashamed to publicly express?
*Names have been changed
@serenathesmith

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What did we do???

(Man you try to kill all humans and they take it personally)

To be honest, being fucked to death by robots and/or simply dying out by preferring to have sex with things that can't get pregnant is a better fate than humanity deserves at this point.

Yes, I'm sure HE was the exhausting one in this relationship.



We've noticed. That's why we avoid you in the first place.

It used to be "agree with us or shut the fuck up"

Now it's "silence is violence"

At this point it's better just to say fuck you to these people and not give them the time of day. That's the proper response to these obviously insane people.

ok real talk, if you are in the online dating or hookup business then wokefishing is basically a mandatory prerequisite if you want to see any kind of success. and if all you want is to pump and dump some dumb slut then it's all good.

but it obviously is a really bad idea if you want a serious relationship and long term partner. something like that can't be built on a lie, or it will eventually crumble and come apart.

Oh please God no, the risk of getting a woke bitch preggers isn't worth it for any reason.
 
Yes, I'm sure HE was the exhausting one in this relationship.



We've noticed. That's why we avoid you in the first place.
These nutty woke women have sure put themselves into a spot when it comes to finding men. Either they find a man that has a brain and is therefore ineligible because he won't blindly follow their lead; or they end up with some sneaky motherfucker that has no thoughts other than what she tells him and whatever he thinks he needs to do to get in her pants.

I would suggest that most of these women just get a dog if they're only looking for blind companionship without pesky questions and opinions; but we all know how that ends up...

 
dangerhairs are usually on the pill anyway, and don't have any issues with abortion either
plus if you're having random hookups then you should be using condoms anyway

Yeah but sometimes condoms don't work and if you're unlucky enough you're on the hook for child support, which she will inevitably spend on Starbucks and Funko Pops or whatever the fuck woke people buy.

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While it is true that couples with shared values and views on the world tend to fare better, the issue is the woke don't believe someone to be holding a certain value unless they follow wokeism. So, someone can believe in racial equality, which is the core value a lot would view with importance, but if they reject the way wokeism believes racism should be tackled, to the woke, they don't believe in racial equality and thus it's a value incompatibility.

Of course people are going to make out like they're "woke" in the dating scene, given they'll be dismissed as a bigot if they don't regardless of if they actually are. Hannah's experience is absolutely horrible and that guy was genuinely just a dickhead, but by and large, I imagine these people still hold the important core values, which is what should be important, they just haven't drank the wokeism kool-aid.

A wokefish may at first present themselves as a protest-attending, sex-positive, anti-racist, intersectional feminist who drinks ethically sourced oat milk and has read the back catalogue of Audre Lorde, twice.

Everyone I've met who describes themselves like this and is actually like this is insuffurable. "Wokefishing" seems like the preferable option in this case.

It was like he used being a ‘social justice warrior’ as a personality trait

What a monster. Who would do such a thing? :c
 
What's that? Men and women saying and doing anything to survive in this fuck or get fucked world? SHUT THE FRONT DOOR! :story:

You didn't get "wokefished" bitch, you got played. Pure and simple. I know your types love to make up words to plaster on the walls of your lonely hearts but reality is coming in with a wrecking ball saying "TICKTOCK GOES THE CLOCK!" It's not our faults you idiots made being woke a joke that only you take seriously.

Any relationship is essentially an ongoing process of learning more and more about your partner, until you know everything: *snip!* But pretending to believe in certain values when you really don’t is straight up weirdo behaviour.

This also doesn't mean you got wokefished, your partner had a change of mind which happens all the fucking time even after you marry them. Or is this projection on her part?
 
A near stranger told me he hates white people so I immediately sucked him off without thinking, which caused him to lose all respect for me and end the relationship quickly. This has happened multiple times. Now, because I constantly reduce myself into a talking fleshlight, I have no value to any decent man and am eternally single. Clearly this is everyone's fault but mine. Affirm my horrible life choices, white knights!
 
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Them then:
Ughh, stop saying that male feminists only pretend to be feminists to get some pussy! Why can't you respect women, you bigot?
Them now:
Wokefishing! They only pretend to be feminists to get some pussy!

Glad to see that they've finally come to see the light, though.
 
I don't know, I've found that at least some woke women, no matter what they say, seem to appreciate a guy with backbone who will tell them their beliefs about "toxic masculinity" and "being a good male ally" are nonsense. These women are so used to dating limp-wristed losers that it's novel to find a guy who isn't a weak-willed pushover.

But maybe I haven't run into a truly crazy one yet.
I didn't mention that in my first post but its really really important when understanding the author's psychology.
When I was younger and more insecure, I myself was sympathetic to shit like fat acceptance and making fun of people that all dressed the same. But eventually I stopped being an angsty teenager and learned that if you're comfortable with yourself, you have 0 reason to take offense or be impacted by the benign choices of other random people.
The author, for whatever reason, is deeply concerned about what others think and how those opinions are wrong. She has all the answers, and laments more people don't as well, yet also appreciates on some level that her social power and, dare I say, relevance, stems from the idea that SHE is the one calling the shots here. If she lived in a utopia where everybody had her views she'd be a pretty bland and empty soul, since she's wedded these assorted social causes to her identity. That's why she can't concede defeat, but also can't let bygones be bygones.

Also other Kiwis have mentioned this before but it bears repeating: Progressive ideology discourages men from being conventionally attractive. Being assertive, getting physical for the sake of their loved ones, chivalry, unmoved by fashionable trends. All of this is anathema to progressive thinking, and deep down a lot of men AND women want somebody reliable in their life, but modern politics gives you social clout for finding ways to not take responsibility for your actions, to blame others, and generally resort to ANYTHING except for self-improvement to fix problems.
Again, this isn't a conservative message. It's more of a self-help one, but I think part of the reason feminists complain about rape culture and misogyny so much is because their own circles attract deeply neurotic male allies, who act in misogynistic and predatory ways disproportionate to the general population, and this is because, for whatever reason, they've failed with traditionally masculine areas, like sports or fitness or funny small talk or hands-on skills, so figure the only way left to get women is by supporting the social causes-- but they still haven't fixed the personality traits that made them so repulsive in the first place!
So what we've got on our hands here, is the author mourning their dating pool because all the Chads are faking Wokeness, when Wokeness offers absolutely nothing to Chad.
Throughout the animal kingdom, males are silently seeking recognition for what they do well. They do all sorts of things, hoping that if the achievements are big enough, others (including females) take notice. Being Woke eschews a lot of hobbies, because its reductive enough to argue hobbies like bodybuilding, swimming, or football (all areas where I'd think the primary goal is personal improvement) are oppressive to women, as they highlight gender differences. There are thousands of tumblr and twitter posts out there, of woke women going on self-hating tangents because they're physically attracted to a conventionally masculine hot guy, like a Marvel superhero or a sports star or a confident celebrity. This kind of public self-flaggelation can only happen in a paradigm where conventions are shunned for the crime of being tradition, where suggesting basic physical exercise is deeply rude, and where you don't permit yourself to enjoy something if you take marching orders from others.

In a dating context, Wokeness only appeals to rejects that think LARPing as an ally will be enough to carry them despite their other shortfalls, and oppressors that want to masquerade as victims-- which as I've tried to highligh above, isn't the type of life partner anybody wants. You want somebody who complements your own traits, makes you a better version of yourself. But if you're coming at it as though you have no flaws, and expect the partner to acknowledge that perfection and be perfect as well from the beginning? Those are just unrealistic, impossible expectations.
 
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