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You beat me to it, I thought the ST happened within a month or so, but your right it may only be a few days. Thats so pathetic.
Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off
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Prequel fans laugh along because the Prequels are good movies despite having some serious flaws that tell a consistent story/vision, and they know it.
Sequel fan lose their minds when you say anything bad about them because they are shit movies with no direction, and so you've got to silence & kill anyone who points out the emperor is naked because deep down they know they're just tying to believe a lie.
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I really wish if there were a another show just to see Grievous, Eeth Koth, Shaak Ti and other characters (who barely does anything) in action. I feel like there just a lot of missed opportunity in the Filoni Wars like giving Grievous a decent duel but of course we get a unnecessary show that nobody asked for like Bad Batch and other craps.
I really don't care what Lucas vision of and Filoni version of Grievous.
I really don't care what Lucas vision of and Filoni version of Grievous.
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Fun fact:
I didn’t see The Rise of Skywalker in theaters and my sister gave me shit for it.
I downloaded it on my phone-carrier complementary Disney+ account a few weeks after they released it, and I still haven’t watched it because I just keep forgetting.
I don’t even want to hate-watch it. It’s just there. I get a chuckle out of the fact that Disney achieved the impossible in making me not care about a major Star Wars release. But that’s about it.
Other than that, it’s just there.
I didn’t see The Rise of Skywalker in theaters and my sister gave me shit for it.
I downloaded it on my phone-carrier complementary Disney+ account a few weeks after they released it, and I still haven’t watched it because I just keep forgetting.
I don’t even want to hate-watch it. It’s just there. I get a chuckle out of the fact that Disney achieved the impossible in making me not care about a major Star Wars release. But that’s about it.
Other than that, it’s just there.
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I pirated to see just how bad it was and I legitimately feel Disney should reimburse me for my time stolen. The movie is that bad.
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It's awful. I saw it once, and will never watch it again..
You should tell your sister she was adopted. Her actual mother is a crack whore...
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On the first two questions I lean towards the second option (moreso on the first question than the second). That may be because of my age, my 'tism or because KoTOR's what's gotten me invested in this franchise.
Still, it's telling how much Disney sucks that it can't even appease those who lean more towards an action-adventure flavor of Star Wars. What action is there to be had if no battle can happen without Rey and friends or Ahsoka being somehow involved? What adventure is there to speak of when fucking Orange Yoda and/or Aphra already collected every major artifact and stuck their fingers in every galactic lore pie? Disney's managed to create a bunch of OCs so Mary Sue-ish that they were able to do everything that could be done, yet achieve nothing interesting or worth the viewer/reader's attention at the same time.
Disney OCs act like RPG player characters. They wander the world resolving every single plot thread, rendering each and every area they pass devoid of content upon which anything can be built. Anyone who interacts with a Disney OC ends up either dead or an empty shell of a character (Luke, Han, Chewie, Lando, R2 and 3PO, etc.). Compare that to the old continuity, where Luke could share entire novels with his children and wife, the Solo children and others without needing to outshine and one-up them. They could have an adventure that would shape the universe and still be enough plot left to go around for others (Boba, Lando, Legacy characters, etc.).
Hell, the old continuity could set up a plot thread in an era (Old Republic - the Muur Talisman and Celeste Morne) and resolve it in a completely different era (Legacy - Cade) just fine. If that plot were to come back, it would be obligatory to have Celeste and the talisman be cured/defeated by Rey or at least Aphra. No way we could allow an untapped story thread float by under our favorite donut steal's nose.
No joke, I was more captivated by that Tommy Wiseau Prequels edit from Youtube.
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Ya know, we should totally put up the sequel trilogy on the kiwifarms movie night.
Spending an entire evening savaging all 3 films with fellow kiwis would likely be a pleasant experience.
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Kyle Katarn on an arctic adventure
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So did he find the jedi temple?
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Don't spend two hours of your life watching something you know you'll hate. Do literally anything else.
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This. I saw TFA on release, was utterly revolted (and for the first time, I walked away from something Star Wars-related with absolutely no positive aspects to latch onto), and knew right then that I'd never be invested in this new character and story, so I dropped out of the trilogy immediately to get into the Expanded Universe instead.
Five years later, I'm like forty books and comics into the EU, I can barely remember TFA after having only seen it once, and I still haven't seen TLJ and TROS. It feels great, and my passion for the SW universe has actually grown stronger because of that decision.
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I remember each stage of my What The Fuckism while watching TFA in theatres. Was utterly revolted and it just reinforced my hate boner for that hack JJ Abrams. I didn't enjoy a single scene of that movie and it was just a harbinger for how bad the other's would be.
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Same. I thought JJ did a thoroughly mediocre job of doing nu Trek, back when it was cool to like Trek, but he didn't quite kill off the entire franchise yet.
Safe to say, I wasn't terribly excited about TFA when it first came out, but at the time I was like "hey, how bad can it be?"
Very bad, as it turned out. I was not prepared for the depths of mediocrity that Disney Wars could plunge into. I soured entirely on the sequels and JJ from that moment on. And by the looks of things, I was vindicated, for even my normie Star Wars friends stopped being excited for product by the time TROS rolled around. Said friend used to chatter excitedly about upcoming Star Wars. Now it's just total silence on the SW front.
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I genuinely, really liked the first season of the Mandalorian but season two is sounding like a dumpster fire with Filoni shoving in every single goddamn Clone Wars and Rebels waifu and donut steel OC that he can. I think 99% of the people who liked the first season did so because it was a standalone space western, not because it featured the dark sabre or whatever other dumb memberberries that Filoni tried shoving in.
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I liked the first season because you finally get to see Mandos doing Mando shit. Dudes taking off on jet packs fucking shit up outside Not Mos Eisley, etc.
That and the whole space western thing helped. And the fact that it was all original characters, etc with no ties to anyone else. I actually thought the Darksaber shit in it was fucking gay, but I'm a fan of non Jedi stuff.
That and the whole space western thing helped. And the fact that it was all original characters, etc with no ties to anyone else. I actually thought the Darksaber shit in it was fucking gay, but I'm a fan of non Jedi stuff.
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When the darksaber and death troopers showed up again (neither are supposedly his creations, but Filoni has as much of a hard-on for putting them in everything as he does Ahsoka, Rex and Hondo) I instantly got bad vibes, especially with the dark saber. That's how I knew this would be turned into a direct tie-in with Rebels and Filoni Wars since Filoni has as much of a boner for the darksaber as he does Ahsoka, putting it in everything he makes. And you know the imperial dude who owns it is going to be Ahsoka's opponent or archenemy this season now that they claim that he's also force sensitive, even though you don't have to know how to use the Force to turn on a lightsaber briefly just to cut some stuff.
So they're obviously setting him up to be Ahsoka's enemy for some saber fight scene despite Mandalorian being better off as a standalone space western set in the SW galaxy that proved that you don't have to shove sabers, x-wings, superweapons into everything SW since its an all encompassing franchise thanks to the fact that its a fantasy-scifi-midieval-future-japanese-western-hodgepodge built as the ultimate merged copy of Dune, Foundation, Japanese movies, medieval epics, Tolkien, D&D, Lovecraft, and almost every Amazing Tales of Science Fiction issue imaginable that can captivate audiences as long as you have good writers. But it just goes to show how very little imagination goes into Disney Wars these days. I mean some signs of the show's flaws were there from the start like the obvious Tatooine knockoff and not-jawas but at least it was almost understandable to a degree (although why make a tatooine knockoff when you're just going to tatooine later on anyway seems pretty damn pointless), but now darksabers, Rebels references and now Ahsoka, Rex, pirate Hondo, Space Aladdin, his dangerhair gf, Thrawn, Chuck Wendig appearances... FFS try to keep your crap standalone for the most part instead of trying to make an MCU or NJO out of it. At the very least just keep one of them as a cameo on a wanted poster or graffiti.
Also I get the feeling Filoni mainly added this in just in case Mando wasn't picked up for a second season so at least casual audiences would think the cartoons are just as canon as the live action stuff since general audiences usually have a mindset that unless its live action then something doesn't count.
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That picture... wha.. fuck..?
We have greenscreen the likes of which God himself has not seen. Look at this shit. I'm serious, look at it. It makes not even the slightest attempt to follow the contours of the craft that it's supposedly part of. It looks like a goddamn sticker stuck on top of a matte painting. You have Disney money, how do you fuck it up this badly?
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When the new Star Wars came out, I still had some lingering faith in Disney. Sure, Rebels was a crapshoot, but there were some times where it felt like genuine Star Wars. And they did say they were adapting the EU into the new stuff, which I at first interpreted "KOTOR and everything else before EPVI." Then EPVII came out, followed by Rogue One. And as bad as EPVII was, Rogue One was somewhat decent, although it was not a good replacement for Dark Forces, just as Rebels was not a good replacement for Force Unleashed. I still was holding out hope that Disney may salvage the bad situation they were in and make something better.
Then I saw Last Jedi, and that was when all hell broke loose. That was when the EU fan in me laughed like a hyena, because that was the point of no return. From then on in, Disney Star Wars canon would become a joke. All they needed to do was adapt stuff from the EU to the big screen, remove some of the odder EU stuff (I'm looking SPECIFICALLY at how Karen Traviss butchered Jaina Solo and Mara Jade's story arcs just to jerk off the Mandalorian fans) and they'd be printing money until the Second Coming of Christ. And yet they botched it in ways that boggle the mind-it can't just be sheer incompetence, but malice, as well, since nobody with a clear head on their shoulders can utterly screw things up THIS much. But they did it. The Star Wars franchise, which has long been the golden egg of the science fiction genre, might as well be spoiled eggs waiting to be thrown out into the garbage. The SW toy franchise, which was the envy of all other toy franchises, is now so worthless that main characters from the movies can't even sell figures anymore. The story is such a mess that people all over the place are calling for scrapping the Sequels altogether. The books themselves are a mess, contradicted by the films that the same company that craps them out.
People say that Star Wars died with the Prequels, but the Prequels still created a bevy of content and merchandise that people devoured like there was no tomorrow. The franchise wasn't dead then, and it would have kept on being alive, albeit in limbo, had it not been sold. But Lucas needed someone to pay for his employees after being demonized for a decade and for his company's recent projects like The Old Republic and Force Unleashed II failing, and at the time, Disney was making the Marvel fans sing praises to them with the MCU. Lucas thought they could do the same thing for his franchise while paying off his own people so they can keep their jobs. He was dead wrong. Not only did Disney fire many old Lucasarts veterans, only to replace them with woke cowards who spew nothing but propaganda and hatred of the same boys and men that used to buy Star Wars all the time, and instead of replicating the magic with the MCU (taking characters from books and comics and bringing them to the big screen) they destroyed the old characters and made their new DO NOT STEAL OCs which were not even close to the level of character development as the Prequel characters, let alone the OT characters.
But of course, I have to throw the blame on the OT purists and the Red Letter Media crowd, both of which kept pushing for Lucas to quit, and who even celebrated EPVII's release and the Disney buy-out with open arms and tears of joy. They've only recently turned against Disney when the very same thing they asked for turned out to be worse than what Lucas did, and they don't want to admit that they had a hand in destroying the Star Wars franchise.
WHAT ARE THE JEDI?
The movies never depicted the Jedi as peaceful monks who went unnoticed by the galaxy at large. In fact, most of what they describe as the traditionalist view of Star Wars is just utter bullshit. The Jedi, according to Obi-Wan in the OT, were going on "damn fool idealistic crusades" and were the "guardians of Peace and Justice in the Old Republic." As in, they had a very public role of authority to defend the Republic and its interests, and they went on wars all the time swinging their lightsabers left and right, hence why Kenobi used the word "crusade" when describing his adventures with Anakin to Luke. What do you think crusaders do, meditate in a garden writing zen poetry all day long? No, they go to wherever they think injustices are happening, and they "correct" those injustices, usually with deadly force. The way Luke handled Jabba's gang when he was a full Jedi in Episode VI was typical of how Jedi handle things: try the diplomatic approach at first, use mind-rape techniques if they don't say yes to you, and if neither works, whip out your saber and start dropping people left and right.
The only reason Yoda and Obi-Wan were hiding was because of the Empire, and Kenobi was even willing to go with Luke when the Alliance needed him, which means that if Kenobi survived, he'd be one of the Alliance bigwigs for the war against the Empire, or he'll be Mon Mothma's Shogun, in charge of all military strategy and planning. (I can just imagine Alec Guinness in a full Samurai armor outfit, kneeling to Mon Mothma or Princess Leia as if they were Japanese Empresses.) He was, after all, referred to as GENERAL Kenobi by Princess Leia. Last I checked, generals are not unnoticed by society at large. They weren't like monks or nuns who just pray all day and keep to their own monasteries, they were a mixture of Samurai and Knights Templar, religious orders with a very MILITARY slant to their ideology. Yes, Yoda says that war does not make one great, but he isn't necessarily infallible. Especially when he was saying that to Luke Skywalker, a boy who became a great man specifically BECAUSE of a war and his actions in said war.
HOW DO THE JEDI FIGHT?
Last I checked, neither Kenobi nor Luke showed regret when killing people. Luke didn't shed a tear for all the poor souls he killed on Yavin IV when he destroyed the Death Star, nor did he cry a river when he slaughtered Jabba's gang without mercy. Heck, DARTH VADER showed more regret after slaughtering the younglings and the Separatists. Kenobi killed a criminal in clear daylight and didn't give a damn about it. Nor was he hesitant in fighting Vader-he didn't even try to reason with the man, he just reached for his saber and fought. Jedi only use stealth and subterfuge when the enemy outnumbers them. Otherwise, they fight in broad daylight, without a care in the world for casualties. Heck, Yoda and Kenobi were trying to shape Luke into a deadly killer to slaughter both Vader and the Emperor, and it was Luke's idea that they should try and reach out to Vader with an offer of redemption that made Yoda and Kenobi queasy. They just wanted him as a Light-Sided version of Starkiller from Force Unleashed or Darth Malgus from the Old Republic trailers-a merciless juggernaut of power who will slaughter the two elderly Sith with no pity or mercy. Heck, even Original Trilogy Expanded Universe stuff understood this, with things like the Jedi Knight games depicting Jedi like Kyle Katarn and Jaden Korr, both students of Luke Skywalker, as Jedi who went around using the Force and their lightsabers to slaughter criminal goons, Imperials, and Dark Side cultists as their day jobs. If they used regular blades instead of laser swords, they'd come back home covered in human and alien blood after every mission.
WHAT IS THE DARK SIDE?
The way Yoda describes the Dark Side, it does sound like evil Space-Mojo that can screw with your mind. It starts off as just your darker thoughts and your inner animal, but when you do entertain it, you become enraptured in dark energy and you go insane with power, hence why Yoda says that "once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny." Because that stuff IS evil Space-Mojo that can fuck with your mind. That's why Emperor Palpatine looks so fucked up, and why he gets off on hurting people and inflicting pain. The Dark Side has consumed him and he feels joy from every pore every time his enemies twist with pain and suffering. And we saw it earlier in the first two movies with Darth Vader killing men with simple hand gestures. Which means that it is evil Space-Mojo. The kind of evil that Darth Vader described as something far more powerful than just blowing up a planet. If it was just people's darker instincts, it wouldn't be that powerful. And again, the Expanded Universe before the Prequels also understood this, with Palpatine being capable of decimating whole fleets with his mind, with Ancient Sith Lords like Naga Sadow blowing up suns to cover his retreat. The Dark Side wouldn't be able to do that if it all the Dark Side is was just a dark reflection of you.
WHO ARE THE HEROES?
When it comes to the Force and the heroes, we even see characters like Kenobi and Yoda keep talking about how it's Luke's great destiny to defeat Vader and the Emperor, so that whole "all roads lead to Skywalker vs. Palpatine" is something that the movies hammered into people's skulls. Sure, there was the struggle with the Empire that the Rebels fought, but that was background noise compared to the fight that Luke had with Vader and the Emperor. If Palpatine survived, the whole fight would be pointless, as the Empire will keep on going so long as its head remained intact, and no regular soldier can get the drop Palpatine-only a Jedi can do it, hence why he had to be taken down by a Jedi. Even the whole "random nobodies strung along together" is explained away as the Force stringing them along as according to Obi-Wan, there is no luck, the Force has a grand destiny for everyone involved, and it's those heroes that change the face of the galaxy as a whole.
WHAT IS STAR WARS?
The "traditionalist" description for the things above don't even match what the Original Trilogy shows. In fact, it sounds more like bullshit the OT purists pull out of their asses while conveniently forgetting elements in the OT that support the second interpretation of Star Wars. They think the Jedi are just loners who meditate and seek peace, whereas the Jedi in the OT are only hiding because of the Empire and openly described themselves as the enforcers of galactic peace and justice for over a thousand generations-something you can't do when you spend all day in a monastery contemplating Zen philosophy. They think that the Jedi only use subterfuge and fight only as a last resort, that they despise violence and the loss of life, yet we saw Kenobi strike down a man with a laser sword without even using mind-tricks or other ways to diffuse the situation, while none of the Jedi characters even regret slaughtering entire space stations' worth of people in their battles. They didn't cry rivers when the two Death Stars were destroyed, nor did Yoda reprimand Luke for eradicating Jabba's whole criminal empire in one afternoon. Both Kenobi and the fully-trained Luke Skywalker fought out in the open, lightsabers swinging in the OT, and the same went for Luke's apprentices for his own Jedi Order.
These purists state that the Dark Side is just your darker half, your evil instincts, yet the OT is rich with references that show how the Dark Side is more than just your edgelord side waiting to come out-it's the evil side of a cosmic force that binds all life together, and when it is unleashed, one can do some really nasty things, from choking a man to death through a Skype call, to slaughtering an entire fleet or blowing up a sun with just your mind. And the OT itself openly showed how the actions of a tiny few (Luke, the Jedi, the Rebel leaders, Palpatine, and Vader) altered the face of the galaxy, and both Yoda and Kenobi even hammered in that whole "all roads lead to Skywalker vs. Palpatine" since they kept insisting that Luke take out the trash and kill both Sith in one go. They got their wish in the end, just not in the way they wanted it.
It seems to me that these OT fanboys just make up shit about what the OT means or what it says, or they put in what they want the OT to represent, with barely any quotes or examples. They kept demonizing Lucas and hanging on to their own twisted reasoning of what the OT was, despite clear signs in the OT and the lore that came out surrounding it showing how the OT and the Prequels agree on more things than the OT purists would dare to believe. And of course, this same crowd kept trying to push Lucas off Star Wars, acting as if they knew the series better than the guy who made it. They welcomed the sale of Lucasfilm to Disney and George Lucas dropping out, lashing out at fans who believed that Disney would ruin the franchise and pointing to Disney's success with the MCU as proof that good times were ensured for the Star Wars series now that it was in the hands of someone they thought was competent.
But now that Disney Star Wars has lost every shred of its legitimacy, these OT purists are silently filing back into the general SW fandom, acting as if they always hated the Disney SW films, ignorant of the part they played in the destruction of Star Wars, both as a coherent storyline, and a profitable franchise. This is why I HATE the RLM crowd and the prequel-bashers. At most, the Prequels were nice boom-fiestas with some cheesy dialogue here and there, with Lucas being the proto-Michael Bay minus the sex jokes and gratuitous T&A. The Prequels didn't warrant the savaging they got from Red Letter Media and a million other wannabe-critics, who ignored at every turn everything good from the Prequels, while only focusing on the bad stuff and even making up shit to complain, like how there was little in the way of practical effects in the Prequels, when any cursory research on said films would show that each Prequel film had more practical effects than the whole OT put together.
This is why I really hate the OT purist crowd. Aside from the fact that they excessively demonized a set of not perfect, but still-good films, they kept demonizing the guy who made Star Wars and praised the handover of a family-owned independent franchise into the hands of the corporate Hollywood system, a system rife with corruption, greed, and liberal preaching. And now, Star Wars as a franchise is dead, the only thing keeping it alive are the good memories we have of it in our hearts. So to us, Star Wars as a series and a story will always live on, especially for those of us who still have the comics, books, and video games which along with the movies, gave so much joy to our hearts and inspired other science fiction stories that also brought joy to our youths, from Gundam, to Starcraft, to Halo, Mass Effect, Transformers, Metroid, Star Fox, and many others. But from the perspective of the world, Star Wars is well and truly dead. The Mandalorian and Clone Wars Season 7 are just the last few pulses of a dying man before he fully passes onto the next life.
All I have to say to them is this: Thanks a lot, jackasses. Way to kill the franchise you claim to love.
Then I saw Last Jedi, and that was when all hell broke loose. That was when the EU fan in me laughed like a hyena, because that was the point of no return. From then on in, Disney Star Wars canon would become a joke. All they needed to do was adapt stuff from the EU to the big screen, remove some of the odder EU stuff (I'm looking SPECIFICALLY at how Karen Traviss butchered Jaina Solo and Mara Jade's story arcs just to jerk off the Mandalorian fans) and they'd be printing money until the Second Coming of Christ. And yet they botched it in ways that boggle the mind-it can't just be sheer incompetence, but malice, as well, since nobody with a clear head on their shoulders can utterly screw things up THIS much. But they did it. The Star Wars franchise, which has long been the golden egg of the science fiction genre, might as well be spoiled eggs waiting to be thrown out into the garbage. The SW toy franchise, which was the envy of all other toy franchises, is now so worthless that main characters from the movies can't even sell figures anymore. The story is such a mess that people all over the place are calling for scrapping the Sequels altogether. The books themselves are a mess, contradicted by the films that the same company that craps them out.
People say that Star Wars died with the Prequels, but the Prequels still created a bevy of content and merchandise that people devoured like there was no tomorrow. The franchise wasn't dead then, and it would have kept on being alive, albeit in limbo, had it not been sold. But Lucas needed someone to pay for his employees after being demonized for a decade and for his company's recent projects like The Old Republic and Force Unleashed II failing, and at the time, Disney was making the Marvel fans sing praises to them with the MCU. Lucas thought they could do the same thing for his franchise while paying off his own people so they can keep their jobs. He was dead wrong. Not only did Disney fire many old Lucasarts veterans, only to replace them with woke cowards who spew nothing but propaganda and hatred of the same boys and men that used to buy Star Wars all the time, and instead of replicating the magic with the MCU (taking characters from books and comics and bringing them to the big screen) they destroyed the old characters and made their new DO NOT STEAL OCs which were not even close to the level of character development as the Prequel characters, let alone the OT characters.
But of course, I have to throw the blame on the OT purists and the Red Letter Media crowd, both of which kept pushing for Lucas to quit, and who even celebrated EPVII's release and the Disney buy-out with open arms and tears of joy. They've only recently turned against Disney when the very same thing they asked for turned out to be worse than what Lucas did, and they don't want to admit that they had a hand in destroying the Star Wars franchise.
WHAT ARE THE JEDI?
The movies never depicted the Jedi as peaceful monks who went unnoticed by the galaxy at large. In fact, most of what they describe as the traditionalist view of Star Wars is just utter bullshit. The Jedi, according to Obi-Wan in the OT, were going on "damn fool idealistic crusades" and were the "guardians of Peace and Justice in the Old Republic." As in, they had a very public role of authority to defend the Republic and its interests, and they went on wars all the time swinging their lightsabers left and right, hence why Kenobi used the word "crusade" when describing his adventures with Anakin to Luke. What do you think crusaders do, meditate in a garden writing zen poetry all day long? No, they go to wherever they think injustices are happening, and they "correct" those injustices, usually with deadly force. The way Luke handled Jabba's gang when he was a full Jedi in Episode VI was typical of how Jedi handle things: try the diplomatic approach at first, use mind-rape techniques if they don't say yes to you, and if neither works, whip out your saber and start dropping people left and right.
The only reason Yoda and Obi-Wan were hiding was because of the Empire, and Kenobi was even willing to go with Luke when the Alliance needed him, which means that if Kenobi survived, he'd be one of the Alliance bigwigs for the war against the Empire, or he'll be Mon Mothma's Shogun, in charge of all military strategy and planning. (I can just imagine Alec Guinness in a full Samurai armor outfit, kneeling to Mon Mothma or Princess Leia as if they were Japanese Empresses.) He was, after all, referred to as GENERAL Kenobi by Princess Leia. Last I checked, generals are not unnoticed by society at large. They weren't like monks or nuns who just pray all day and keep to their own monasteries, they were a mixture of Samurai and Knights Templar, religious orders with a very MILITARY slant to their ideology. Yes, Yoda says that war does not make one great, but he isn't necessarily infallible. Especially when he was saying that to Luke Skywalker, a boy who became a great man specifically BECAUSE of a war and his actions in said war.
HOW DO THE JEDI FIGHT?
Last I checked, neither Kenobi nor Luke showed regret when killing people. Luke didn't shed a tear for all the poor souls he killed on Yavin IV when he destroyed the Death Star, nor did he cry a river when he slaughtered Jabba's gang without mercy. Heck, DARTH VADER showed more regret after slaughtering the younglings and the Separatists. Kenobi killed a criminal in clear daylight and didn't give a damn about it. Nor was he hesitant in fighting Vader-he didn't even try to reason with the man, he just reached for his saber and fought. Jedi only use stealth and subterfuge when the enemy outnumbers them. Otherwise, they fight in broad daylight, without a care in the world for casualties. Heck, Yoda and Kenobi were trying to shape Luke into a deadly killer to slaughter both Vader and the Emperor, and it was Luke's idea that they should try and reach out to Vader with an offer of redemption that made Yoda and Kenobi queasy. They just wanted him as a Light-Sided version of Starkiller from Force Unleashed or Darth Malgus from the Old Republic trailers-a merciless juggernaut of power who will slaughter the two elderly Sith with no pity or mercy. Heck, even Original Trilogy Expanded Universe stuff understood this, with things like the Jedi Knight games depicting Jedi like Kyle Katarn and Jaden Korr, both students of Luke Skywalker, as Jedi who went around using the Force and their lightsabers to slaughter criminal goons, Imperials, and Dark Side cultists as their day jobs. If they used regular blades instead of laser swords, they'd come back home covered in human and alien blood after every mission.
WHAT IS THE DARK SIDE?
The way Yoda describes the Dark Side, it does sound like evil Space-Mojo that can screw with your mind. It starts off as just your darker thoughts and your inner animal, but when you do entertain it, you become enraptured in dark energy and you go insane with power, hence why Yoda says that "once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny." Because that stuff IS evil Space-Mojo that can fuck with your mind. That's why Emperor Palpatine looks so fucked up, and why he gets off on hurting people and inflicting pain. The Dark Side has consumed him and he feels joy from every pore every time his enemies twist with pain and suffering. And we saw it earlier in the first two movies with Darth Vader killing men with simple hand gestures. Which means that it is evil Space-Mojo. The kind of evil that Darth Vader described as something far more powerful than just blowing up a planet. If it was just people's darker instincts, it wouldn't be that powerful. And again, the Expanded Universe before the Prequels also understood this, with Palpatine being capable of decimating whole fleets with his mind, with Ancient Sith Lords like Naga Sadow blowing up suns to cover his retreat. The Dark Side wouldn't be able to do that if it all the Dark Side is was just a dark reflection of you.
WHO ARE THE HEROES?
When it comes to the Force and the heroes, we even see characters like Kenobi and Yoda keep talking about how it's Luke's great destiny to defeat Vader and the Emperor, so that whole "all roads lead to Skywalker vs. Palpatine" is something that the movies hammered into people's skulls. Sure, there was the struggle with the Empire that the Rebels fought, but that was background noise compared to the fight that Luke had with Vader and the Emperor. If Palpatine survived, the whole fight would be pointless, as the Empire will keep on going so long as its head remained intact, and no regular soldier can get the drop Palpatine-only a Jedi can do it, hence why he had to be taken down by a Jedi. Even the whole "random nobodies strung along together" is explained away as the Force stringing them along as according to Obi-Wan, there is no luck, the Force has a grand destiny for everyone involved, and it's those heroes that change the face of the galaxy as a whole.
WHAT IS STAR WARS?
The "traditionalist" description for the things above don't even match what the Original Trilogy shows. In fact, it sounds more like bullshit the OT purists pull out of their asses while conveniently forgetting elements in the OT that support the second interpretation of Star Wars. They think the Jedi are just loners who meditate and seek peace, whereas the Jedi in the OT are only hiding because of the Empire and openly described themselves as the enforcers of galactic peace and justice for over a thousand generations-something you can't do when you spend all day in a monastery contemplating Zen philosophy. They think that the Jedi only use subterfuge and fight only as a last resort, that they despise violence and the loss of life, yet we saw Kenobi strike down a man with a laser sword without even using mind-tricks or other ways to diffuse the situation, while none of the Jedi characters even regret slaughtering entire space stations' worth of people in their battles. They didn't cry rivers when the two Death Stars were destroyed, nor did Yoda reprimand Luke for eradicating Jabba's whole criminal empire in one afternoon. Both Kenobi and the fully-trained Luke Skywalker fought out in the open, lightsabers swinging in the OT, and the same went for Luke's apprentices for his own Jedi Order.
These purists state that the Dark Side is just your darker half, your evil instincts, yet the OT is rich with references that show how the Dark Side is more than just your edgelord side waiting to come out-it's the evil side of a cosmic force that binds all life together, and when it is unleashed, one can do some really nasty things, from choking a man to death through a Skype call, to slaughtering an entire fleet or blowing up a sun with just your mind. And the OT itself openly showed how the actions of a tiny few (Luke, the Jedi, the Rebel leaders, Palpatine, and Vader) altered the face of the galaxy, and both Yoda and Kenobi even hammered in that whole "all roads lead to Skywalker vs. Palpatine" since they kept insisting that Luke take out the trash and kill both Sith in one go. They got their wish in the end, just not in the way they wanted it.
It seems to me that these OT fanboys just make up shit about what the OT means or what it says, or they put in what they want the OT to represent, with barely any quotes or examples. They kept demonizing Lucas and hanging on to their own twisted reasoning of what the OT was, despite clear signs in the OT and the lore that came out surrounding it showing how the OT and the Prequels agree on more things than the OT purists would dare to believe. And of course, this same crowd kept trying to push Lucas off Star Wars, acting as if they knew the series better than the guy who made it. They welcomed the sale of Lucasfilm to Disney and George Lucas dropping out, lashing out at fans who believed that Disney would ruin the franchise and pointing to Disney's success with the MCU as proof that good times were ensured for the Star Wars series now that it was in the hands of someone they thought was competent.
But now that Disney Star Wars has lost every shred of its legitimacy, these OT purists are silently filing back into the general SW fandom, acting as if they always hated the Disney SW films, ignorant of the part they played in the destruction of Star Wars, both as a coherent storyline, and a profitable franchise. This is why I HATE the RLM crowd and the prequel-bashers. At most, the Prequels were nice boom-fiestas with some cheesy dialogue here and there, with Lucas being the proto-Michael Bay minus the sex jokes and gratuitous T&A. The Prequels didn't warrant the savaging they got from Red Letter Media and a million other wannabe-critics, who ignored at every turn everything good from the Prequels, while only focusing on the bad stuff and even making up shit to complain, like how there was little in the way of practical effects in the Prequels, when any cursory research on said films would show that each Prequel film had more practical effects than the whole OT put together.
This is why I really hate the OT purist crowd. Aside from the fact that they excessively demonized a set of not perfect, but still-good films, they kept demonizing the guy who made Star Wars and praised the handover of a family-owned independent franchise into the hands of the corporate Hollywood system, a system rife with corruption, greed, and liberal preaching. And now, Star Wars as a franchise is dead, the only thing keeping it alive are the good memories we have of it in our hearts. So to us, Star Wars as a series and a story will always live on, especially for those of us who still have the comics, books, and video games which along with the movies, gave so much joy to our hearts and inspired other science fiction stories that also brought joy to our youths, from Gundam, to Starcraft, to Halo, Mass Effect, Transformers, Metroid, Star Fox, and many others. But from the perspective of the world, Star Wars is well and truly dead. The Mandalorian and Clone Wars Season 7 are just the last few pulses of a dying man before he fully passes onto the next life.
All I have to say to them is this: Thanks a lot, jackasses. Way to kill the franchise you claim to love.
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