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[Daughter of Cernunnos]

@p1zzakat why do they use the term "confirmed suspected" so often? Those mean opposite things. Pick ONE.

@IBrokeBob I disagree on the issue of childbirth. It's technically not a medical emergency, but it can become one quickly; which is why you should always give birth in a hospital. Anything else is natural childbirth propaganda.

 

[vapewilder]

I disagree on the childbirth thing. Giving birth is technically not a medical emergency but it can turn into one very fast which is why you're supposed to give birth in the hospital.

Actually childbirth is only medicalized in the US, in Europe (generally) and the UK, it's still encouraged that if you have a low risk pregnancy your safest bet is to birth at home with a midwife. But US hospitals get dollar signs in their eyes at the thought of all they can milk out of a birth in terms of costs, so Americans are lied to and told it's "safest" to give birth in a hospital, when US hospitals are actually pretty dangerous places to give birth in terms of maternal and fetal mortality rates. Also, if they can get you into a hospital, they can pump you full of drugs you dont need (but they'll tell you are essential for the safety of your baby, because what mother is going to put their baby at risk?) that make it so much more likely you will need a c-section, then they get even MORE money, from the costs of surgery. Seriously, im going off on one here but birth in America is alllll about how much money they can get out of you/ your insurance, and nothing to do with keeping you or your baby safe.

I knew someone who looked at her itemized bill from her (uncomplicated, no medical emergencies, straightforward vaginal) birth and found out she was billed for things like a surgeon being on call, even though they werent needed, but technically they COULD have been, therefore it was billed. She was billed time for the RN's feeding her baby for her which never happened because she breastfed, all kinds of shit. I think one dose of Motrin was billed at like $50, and they were giving it to her every 6 hours, so she could have saved herself like $350 and just brought in a $4 bottle of generic ibuprofen from home. Anyway, i'll stop sperging now.

 

[large_farva]

Actually childbirth is only medicalized in the US, in Europe (generally) and the UK, it's still encouraged that if you have a low risk pregnancy your safest bet is to birth at home with a midwife. But US hospitals get dollar signs in their eyes at the thought of all they can milk out of a birth in terms of costs, so Americans are lied to and told it's "safest" to give birth in a hospital, when US hospitals are actually pretty dangerous places to give birth in terms of maternal and fetal mortality rates. Also, if they can get you into a hospital, they can pump you full of drugs you dont need (but they'll tell you are essential for the safety of your baby, because what mother is going to put their baby at risk?) that make it so much more likely you will need a c-section, then they get even MORE money, from the costs of surgery. Seriously, im going off on one here but birth in America is alllll about how much money they can get out of you/ your insurance, and nothing to do with keeping you or your baby safe.

I knew someone who looked at her itemized bill from her (uncomplicated, no medical emergencies, straightforward vaginal) birth and found out she was billed for things like a surgeon being on call, even though they werent needed, but technically they COULD have been, therefore it was billed. She was billed time for the RN's feeding her baby for her which never happened because she breastfed, all kinds of shit. I think one dose of Motrin was billed at like $50, and they were giving it to her every 6 hours, so she could have saved herself like $350 and just brought in a $4 bottle of generic ibuprofen from home. Anyway, i'll stop sperging now.

The avatar of Daughter of Cernunnos would like to tell you about the dangers of homebirth, but she can't because she's a vegetable.

 

[vapewilder]

The avatar of Daughter of Cernunnos would like to tell you about the dangers of homebirth, but she can't because she's a vegetable.

That's just scare tactics, a low risk pregnancy (which that baby clearly was not, looks like some kind of chromosomal defect which should have been detected in utero) is safest giving birth at home, because a midwife is trained to know if the birth needs to be transferred to a hospital and if the mother and baby have been assessed properly during prenatal care, they rarely need to be. The problem with homebirth in America is that it is so looked down on, that there is no regulation for midwives, so you really have to do your research to make sure you're getting a CNM with a Masters degree vs a glorified doula who did an online course and now calls herself "midwife". Go to the UK and you'll rarely see an OB unless you're an extremely high risk case, because the midwives (who are all highly trained specialists) handle everything. It's a much better system that benefits the mother and baby as opposed to the hospital.

 

[Munchitize Me Capn]

That's just scare tactics, a low risk pregnancy (which that baby clearly was not, looks like some kind of chromosomal defect which should have been detected in utero) is safest giving birth at home, because a midwife is trained to know if the birth needs to be transferred to a hospital and if the mother and baby have been assessed properly during prenatal care, they rarely need to be. The problem with homebirth in America is that it is so looked down on, that there is no regulation for midwives, so you really have to do your research to make sure you're getting a CNM with a Masters degree vs a glorified doula who did an online course and now calls herself "midwife". Go to the UK and you'll rarely see an OB unless you're an extremely high risk case, because the midwives (who are all highly trained specialists) handle everything. It's a much better system that benefits the mother and baby as opposed to the hospital.

As you've pointed out, most American "midwives" have extremely inadequate training and regulation. Furthermore, because of the anti-homebirth culture in the US (and I am not commenting on whether or not that attitude is correct), midwives are often extremely reluctant to transfer even if it's medically necessary. And because of the lack of training, they are often completely unable to tell when a transfer might be necessary. There are also midwives who will happily take on extremely high-risk patients who have no business birthing at home.

Is it safe to have a home birth with a qualified, experienced nurse midwife if your pregnancy is very low risk? Probably. But that is not the scenario most American mothers are in when they choose home birth. And there are complications that can pop up seemingly out of nowhere even in a "low risk" pregnancy that absolutely need immediate medical interventions a nurse midwife cannot provide.

(I also take issue with the idea that all interventions are unnecessary and only for the hospital's convenience and profit. Another huge disadvantage to home birth is that it's impossible to provide any real level of pain relief, and having an epidural can be a huge benefit to both mother and baby. Inductions can be necessary and life-saving. C-sections can be necessary and life-saving. Modern medicine is not all money-grubbing evil.)

 

[vapewilder]

As you've pointed out, most American "midwives" have extremely inadequate training and regulation. Furthermore, because of the anti-homebirth culture in the US (and I am not commenting on whether or not that attitude is correct), midwives are often extremely reluctant to transfer even if it's medically necessary. And because of the lack of training, they are often completely unable to tell when a transfer might be necessary. There are also midwives who will happily take on extremely high-risk patients who have no business birthing at home.

Is it safe to have a home birth with a qualified, experienced nurse midwife if your pregnancy is very low risk? Probably. But that is not the scenario most American mothers are in when they choose home birth. And there are complications that can pop up seemingly out of nowhere even in a "low risk" pregnancy that absolutely need immediate medical interventions a nurse midwife cannot provide.

(I also take issue with the idea that all interventions are unnecessary and only for the hospital's convenience and profit. Another huge disadvantage to home birth is that it's impossible to provide any real level of pain relief, and having an epidural can be a huge benefit to both mother and baby. Inductions can be necessary and life-saving. C-sections can be necessary and life-saving. Modern medicine is not all money-grubbing evil.)

Modern medicine is not. The American healthcare system pretty much is.

And yes, sometimes induction, c-sections etc are necessary and life-saving. Asking your patient to agree to being induced early for no medical reason, simply because then the birth is on a schedule, is not necessary or life-saving, and it opens up the patient to all kinds of complications (including c-section) that could have been avoided if they had given birth when they were ready to, not when their doctor scheduled it.

 

[Munchitize Me Capn]

Modern medicine is not. The American healthcare system pretty much is.

And yes, sometimes induction, c-sections etc are necessary and life-saving. Asking your patient to agree to being induced early for no medical reason, simply because then the birth is on a schedule, is not necessary or life-saving, and it opens up the patient to all kinds of complications (including c-section) that could have been avoided if they had given birth when they were ready to, not when their doctor scheduled it.

Letting a pregnancy go post-dates has clear health hazards for the baby. It's not "just" a matter of keeping to a schedule. That schedule is calculated to maximize the baby's chance of survival.

A completely healthy baby delivered by "unnecessary" C-section after a failed induction is so, so much better than a stillborn baby born weeks after its due date.

 

[vapewilder]

Letting a pregnancy go post-dates has clear health hazards for the baby. It's not "just" a matter of keeping to a schedule. That schedule is calculated to maximize the baby's chance of survival.

A completely healthy baby delivered by "unnecessary" C-section after a failed induction is so, so much better than a stillborn baby born weeks after its due date.

Again, scaremongering. Inducing a woman at 38 weeks when she is not ready is NOT the same thing as letting a pregnancy go "weeks past due date". Im all for induction once 40 weeks is hit, but it's pushing women to induce BEFORE that for no medical reason that im against.

 

[Munchitize Me Capn]

Again, scaremongering. Inducing a woman at 38 weeks when she is not ready is NOT the same thing as letting a pregnancy go "weeks past due date". Im all for induction once 40 weeks is hit, but it's pushing women to induce BEFORE that for no medical reason that im against.

There are medical reasons to induce before 39 weeks.

And in the specific case of an induction at 38 weeks with absolutely no medical indication - I don't have enough information to deny that this happens... it is still safer, for mother and baby, to give birth early in the hospital than to give birth at home. Even if there is a risk of completely medically unindicated induction, it is still the safer choice. Period.

I have no desire to argue this further.

 

[large_farva]

That's just scare tactics, a low risk pregnancy (which that baby clearly was not, looks like some kind of chromosomal defect which should have been detected in utero) is safest giving birth at home, because a midwife is trained to know if the birth needs to be transferred to a hospital and if the mother and baby have been assessed properly during prenatal care, they rarely need to be. The problem with homebirth in America is that it is so looked down on, that there is no regulation for midwives, so you really have to do your research to make sure you're getting a CNM with a Masters degree vs a glorified doula who did an online course and now calls herself "midwife". Go to the UK and you'll rarely see an OB unless you're an extremely high risk case, because the midwives (who are all highly trained specialists) handle everything. It's a much better system that benefits the mother and baby as opposed to the hospital.

The case pictured is a baby with cystic encephalomalacia - instead of a brain, there's multiple cysts filling with CSF. Mom refused ultrasounds and prenatal care because woo, then labored at home for 3 days and spat her baby out in a baby pool filled with crystals. The likely cause is a hypoxic event during that prolonged labor. They were staunchly anti-medicine until Luna started having seizures, and are now angry that the first surgeon wouldn't operate because her head is misshapen - not that she's a total vegetable now. Mom also believes she telepathically communicates with Luna.

Def a good point about the lack of regulation of midwives. The fixation on a picture perfect home birth story that can be posted to social media is also part of the problem.

 

[Deathbecomesyou]

I was the only person who cared about her scam here and I got btfo'd out of this thread.. She did delete damn near everything recently (Even her steam profile) so I assume she's found some other way to exist and mooch. Or she got the coof. Her main simp (Donald losel) also dfe'd everything.

I assume if the modern world doesn't end she'll show up again.

Hey, Letthepowerofgoutcompelyo this info may interest you. She does have all new ones. Here is her linktree: https://linktr.ee/sorsarie. Enjoy and feel free to share the info. Her Steam's still there. like her other socials she just changed names.

Sysmd is right. She is a narcissist. I saw a stream of hers last year where she was whining that it was her birfday and it was going to shit. No presents or nothing. The one simp that always says he's poor got her the 1 present she got for her birfday... some $10 steam game. Does she say thank you? lolno. She whines like a little bitch "BuT iTs OooOld!!!1!" What an entitled cunt. A normal person would be fucking grateful that someone got them the 1 and only present that they got that year. Only thing she deserves is a dick in her mouth too shut her up.

 

[Allo Vera]

Actually childbirth is only medicalized in the US, in Europe (generally) and the UK, it's still encouraged that if you have a low risk pregnancy your safest bet is to birth at home with a midwife.

Nah, not true (I’m British and have two kids).

Home births are rare (2.1% of births in 2017) and the only people who have them are those who were dead set on one from the start. The most persuasion you’ll get from a midwife is a leaflet saying “Hey! Have you considered a home birth?” but that’s it.

It’s not promoted by midwives as the safest option because it’s objectively not the safest option. But it’s safe enough for healthy low-risk women. Lots of first time mothers end up transferring to hospital though.

 

[BunchofMunch]

Yeah, here in Sweden it's about 0,1% of all births. Apparently pretty common in the Netherlands according to Wikipedia (about 30% of all births there), but I doubt it's that common in all the rest of Europe except Sweden and UK...

 

[another idiot]

Yeah, here in Sweden it's about 0,1% of all births. Apparently pretty common in the Netherlands according to Wikipedia (about 30% of all births there), but I doubt it's that common in all the rest of Europe except Sweden and UK...

About 0,1% in the country I live in too, and doctors advice against it. I don't know what that guy's source is but it's not correct at all.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

About 0,1% in the country I live in too, and doctors advice against it. I don't know what that guy's source is but it's not correct at all.

The data is ten years old, and some of it is missing, but I can't imagine it would change that much.

 

[PinkDancingDogs]

That's just scare tactics, a low risk pregnancy (which that baby clearly was not, looks like some kind of chromosomal defect which should have been detected in utero) is safest giving birth at home, because a midwife is trained to know if the birth needs to be transferred to a hospital and if the mother and baby have been assessed properly during prenatal care, they rarely need to be. The problem with homebirth in America is that it is so looked down on, that there is no regulation for midwives, so you really have to do your research to make sure you're getting a CNM with a Masters degree vs a glorified doula who did an online course and now calls herself "midwife". Go to the UK and you'll rarely see an OB unless you're an extremely high risk case, because the midwives (who are all highly trained specialists) handle everything. It's a much better system that benefits the mother and baby as opposed to the hospital.

It doesn't take much effort to look for CNM after a person's name. Also, the stats I looked at showed only 2+% of women in Uk and Wales give birth at home. I agree wholeheartedly that CNMs are awesome and should be utilized more in US for uncomplicated births. I do not think that birthing at home is a best practice.
ETA clearly we all agree on the idiocy of the poster I should've scrolled before posting

 

[Chronicshillcow2ElectricB]

When did this become a forum for child birth? While we’re on the subject JanJan and paul have been on the market to have a kid.

Spoiler: Recap of baby saga so far

they’re doctor shopping for a pcp that caters to “zebras”, and for a high risk OB (specifically for genetics testing). Shopping yielded a referral to endo, and a speculative PCOS diagnosis. JanJan is “not sure if they’re the doctor (endocrinologist) for her yet”. Paul’s looking forward cardiologists referral for high blood pressure

The newest pcp rounds on patients in hospital and is married to a cardiologist. JanJan canceled her new patient appointment because she’s to lazy for a telemedicine visit. Paul’s getting a colon and endoscopy next week, because he’s “failed” his new crohns med and reports weight loss. Paul got tested for covid again and they have a 15 minute blog about it. I predict an inpatient stay coming soon for Paul.

 

[girlblogging]

It seems like Janice is going to be / already has been diagnosed with PCOS. I don't know if this is the kind of dx you had in mind though. I think they are having difficulty conceiving and the most she has disclosed is that her testosterone level would be in the normal range if she was male.

(she never mentioned her clit being the size of a small penis though)

Normal testosterone levels for adult women are 8-60 ng/dl, and for adult men 240-950 ng/dl. So the lowest value for men is quadruple the women's. Considering that PCOS has slightly elevated values (ie way below men's), she's full of shit about PCOS too.
PCOS is usually the disorder of choice for fat feminists who want a perfect excuse to be fat, and why you're fatphobic ableist and transphobic if you think they're ugly, munchies usually don't touch it.

I'm a braindead American because my mother gave birth at home giving me TBI

Akshully, in Europe we give birth in hospitals.

Hey, Letthepowerofgoutcompelyo this info may interest you. She does have all new ones. Here is her linktree: https://linktr.ee/sorsarie. Enjoy and feel free to share the info. Her Steam's still there. like her other socials she just changed names.

Please do not encourage the sex pest.

 

[Dorsia.Reservation]

When did this become a forum for child birth? While we’re on the subject JanJan and paul have been on the market to have a kid.

Spoiler: Recap of baby saga so far

they’re doctor shopping for a pcp that caters to “zebras”, and for a high risk OB (specifically for genetics testing). Shopping yielded a referral to endo, and a speculative PCOS diagnosis. JanJan is “not sure if they’re the doctor (endocrinologist) for her yet”. Paul’s looking forward cardiologists referral for high blood pressure

The newest pcp rounds on patients in hospital and is married to a cardiologist. JanJan canceled her new patient appointment because she’s to lazy for a telemedicine visit. Paul’s getting a colon and endoscopy next week, because he’s “failed” his new crohns med and reports weight loss. Paul got tested for covid again and they have a 15 minute blog about it. I predict an inpatient stay coming soon for Paul.

Sounds like 2 healthy adults and a totally sane situation to bring a child into. /sarcasm

 

[PinkDancingDogs]

Has gouty created some socks? I have him muted, but shiny new accounts are responding to him.