🐱 Europeans Say COVID-19 Revealed America as 'Fragile,' Inconsiderate

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Many Europeans are asking if Americans even care about their people's own health, as they have watched in astonishment at the world's most powerful country faltering in its response to the coronavirus pandemic.


Italians, Germans and residents of other European nations who were hit the hardest by the coronavirus outbreak in February said they are disappointed, saddened and even frightened by the United States' COVID-19 response. Public health experts and everyday residents said they "always saw America as a model" for the world, but the pandemic has exposed a country with horrendous infrastructure and no coherent public health system.

Several European doctors agreed with their U.S. counterparts in saying Americans' individualist spirit has backfired and led the country to the top of both infection and death toll lists.


Americans are now at the top of the list of "at risk" travelers to Europe after countries like Italy — which placed themselves in a strict 10-week lockdown — have emerged from the pandemic while Americans continue infighting and rising above 160,000 dead from COVID-19.

"Don't they care about their health?" a mask-clad Patrizia Antonini asked the Associated Press about Americans as she walked with friends along Lake Bracciano, north of Rome. "They need to take our precautions ... They need a real lockdown."

"We Italians always saw America as a model," said Massimo Franco, columnist with daily Corriere della Sera newspaper. "But with this virus we've discovered a country that is very fragile, with bad infrastructure and a public health system that is nonexistent."



Italian Health Minister Roberto Speranza, one of the country's top public health officials, outright condemned President Donald Trump and Washington lawmakers' response to the virus as "wrong." Italy now sees about 150 to 300 new cases nationwide each day, down from the 6,500 daily the country recorded on March 21. In the U.S., there are about 54,000 new cases a day — which is a higher number proportionally when its larger population is factored into consideration.


As of Sunday, the U.S. now has a world-record 5 million confirmed coronavirus infections amid a politicized debate over face masks and health precautions, which has incredulous Europeans questioning the country's leadership on the international stage.

"Had the medical professionals been allowed to operate in the States, you would have belatedly gotten to a point of getting to grips with this back in March," said Scott Lucas, professor at the University of Birmingham in England. "But of course, the medical and public health professionals were not allowed to proceed unchecked," referencing Trump's undercutting of his administration's own public health experts.


Doctors throughout Italy, where the virus killed more than 35,000 people and ravaged towns between late February and April, say the country's strict nationwide lockdown was a major factor in beating back its spread. Additionally, Italian government officials on both the national and local levels worked primarily in lockstep as they conducted widespread testing, robust contact tracing and a slow process of reopening.


"If you are in Florida and you hear your governor saying something, and then the governor in New York is saying the opposite, it's really difficult. In Italy, it was just one voice," said Dr. Roberto Cosentini, head of an emergency medicine unit at the Papa Giovanni XXIII Hospital in Bergamo, Italy, as reported by NBC News.

Newsweek reached out to the Italian and German embassies in Washington for any additional remarks as well as the White House Sunday morning.
 
You mean like NY stuffing COVID patients back into nursing homes to infect others?

Yes, and Trump claiming it's a Democratic hoax and saying it'd be gone by Easter. And saying not to wear masks.

The difference is that Trump is the president, while Cuomo is just a governor. Trump fucked up bad

Freedom means that you are free to face the consequences of your bad decisions.

I don't want a nanny state. I look down my nose at nanny states. It is not the government's role to keep us alive against disease. They protect us from bear attacks, looters, and invasion. That's basically it. Police, military, legislature, judges. Cut everything else out.

I bet you're okay with the federal troops going after protesters, though.
 
Yes, and Trump claiming it's a Democratic hoax and saying it'd be gone by Easter. And saying not to wear masks.

The difference is that Trump is the president, while Cuomo is just a governor. Trump fucked up bad

I'm not talking about Orange Man. Other than basic guidelines from CDC, by design and statute public health is primarily a state job. I'm talking about the actions taken by NY State and by extension Andrew Cuomo, which had the vast majority of COVID deaths, yet is held up as an example of a place doing a good job. How is having three times the number of COVID deaths as any other state and multiple states combined considered doing a good job?
 
I'm not talking about Orange Man. Other than basic guidelines from CDC, by design and statute public health is primarily a state job. I'm talking about the actions taken by NY State and by extension Andrew Cuomo, which had the vast majority of COVID deaths, yet is held up as an example of a place doing a good job. How is having three times the number of COVID deaths as any other state and multiple states combined considered doing a good job?

I never said he was doing a good job, did I? I just said Trump did a horrible job and you still won't admit that. 162k+ deaths and rising every day is certainly warranting a "Trump fucked up" by even his most die-hard supporters. Trump still says not to wear a mask and says the CDC and WHO are corrupt. Trump denied it for a while and called it a Democrat hoax. Trump couldn't have done a worse job if he tried. The whole "STATES RIGHTS!!!" tards are also the first to say Trump did the right thing sending federal troops to states who said they didn't want them.

You Trumpers can never admit his responsibility for anything, though. It's a cult for you guys
 
I'm pressing "X" for doubt on this one.

PopulationCovid 19 Deaths1 Per
France67,060,00030,3402210
United States328,240,000165,0061989
Italy60,300,00035,2091713
Spain47,080,00028,5761648
UK66,830,00046,5261436

In fact the real kicker is when you get into US states, we hear that Florida and Texas are days away from total annihilation while King Coumo rambles on with his idiot brother every night on the Clinton News Network.

PopulationCovid 19 Deaths1 Per
Texas28,700,0008,4593393
Florida21,670,0008,4082577
New York19,540,00032,774596
Exactly. Let's look at the fatality rate of those infected too.
From the latest Johns Hopkins data, so I adjusted some of the death numbers too (which just shows how unreliable all this data is right now because some of the difference are big).

Covid InfectionsCovid 19 DeathsFatality Rate %
France239,30630,32712.7%
United States5,085,821163,3313.2%
Italy250,82535,20914%
Spain322,98028,5768.8%
UK313,39046,61114.8%

None of these Eurofags can say shit, especially Italy and the UK. 14fucking%. Suck it.

Covid InfectionsCovid 19 DeathsFatality Rate %
Texas508,8199,2011.8%
Florida536,9618,2771.5%
New York421,33632,7817.8%

And of course this is just with the reported numbers. I.E., some deaths marked as covid that probably had nothing to do with covid, infections reported that could be false, infections not reported, etc etc etc.
 
When they try and burn Federal buildings down? Well, yeah....

So by your logic, Trump can avoid all responsibility on something and never be to blame if he says it's the state's responsibility? His choice to make it a state issue also means he is still responsible for the outcome.
 
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So by your logic, Trump can avoid all responsibility on something and never be to blame if he says it's the state's responsibility? His choice to make it a state issue also means he is still responsible for the outcome.

No, if people try to burn Federal property, as they have in Portland, then the Feds are justified to send in whatever force is required to protect their property and prosecute those who have broken Federal law. If the state says they can handle it, and demonstrate they can't, then yes, send in the National Guard to restore order. Wheeler's finally come to his sense and said "Stop trying to murder people" but having been allowed to run loose for 2 months, the crowds are no longer listening to any local authority or stand-down order. These people aren't holding signs and picketing on the sidewalk and being nabbed for that, they're persistently and violently trying to break stuff and hurt people, I don't know how you can look at the news feeds from Portland where "protesters" are dumping paint on little old ladies and burning police stations and think it's not out-of-control.
 
I wondered when they'd get all EUROSMUG about this.

First off, the US is much larger than European countries. We have individual states that rival the land size of entire countries and major cities that rival their entire national population sizes.

That makes it automatically more difficult to control disease outbreaks.

Second, most states that aren't New York and California got through 'Lockdown' in pretty good shape. The reopening of everything caused a second-wave outbreak, but was needed to get the economy rolling again.

Not to mention that Europe could get a second-wave pretty much anytime now...

And last, but probably most importantly... Our country is designed so that the National Government doesn't have the authority OR ability to universally shut down the country on a whim.

The lockdowns that happened were because the states decided them. If the feds had ordered crazy national locked-in-your-home lockdowns like Italy, the states would've vetoed it and tied it up in courts forever.

And if it somehow got passed, it would've lead to armed resistance. Yeah, we have less control of the virus, but it's necessary to keep the gov in check.

Europeans should be less smug about how "Our lockdown worked better!" and more concerned about how quickly and easily your governments did a martial-law-style full-shutdown of your countries at a moments notice...
 
Bullshit. Fascists gonna fascist.

Then what is the correct non-fascist response to two months of riots that threaten life, limb and Federal property that local authorities can't or won't get under control?

If Trump's response is fascist, and the local one is bad, but still Trump's fault, what SHOULD have been done?
 
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Well, I wouldn't say it revealed us to be "fragile", so much as it revealed how absolutely insane people will become when it comes to wearing, or not wearing a mask.

The thing about wearing a mask is- it won’t protect the wearer, it will however reduce transmission from someone who is infected. So in theory if everyone wears a mask then we all look out for each other’s health, which I agree to. Hell, I work in healthcare, so I treat myself as potentially infected and act accordingly. In practice, though, a lot of people are fucking assholes (see: antivaxxers who claim MUH HERD IMMUNITY as a reason for not getting their kids lifesaving vaccines. Good job, dipshits).

(As an aside, handwashing is one of the biggest ways to slow the spread of the virus. It’s also amazing how many filthy fuckers won’t wash their fucking hands. Snooty French people and your cities that are essentially giant public toilets, I’m looking at you.)
 
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