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If @Drain Todger becomes the Jonas Salk of the China Virus, I will rightfully throw myself in front of the Train that took our lord and savior Terry Davis. A long with, I will do what Trumps Chosen do best, and rewrite history to make it look like that I wasn't one of the skeptics. Lemme just find that pesky delete button, that the newest addition to the slow in the mind circus @coma.baby.jpg tried finding yesterday...

COVID-19’s pathology is extremely complex. Let me start from the beginning.

So, what the hell is it?

COVID-19 is caused by a virus that the International Committee on the Taxonomy of Viruses has named SARS-CoV-2. SARS-CoV-2 is a close genetic relative of SARS-CoV, the virus that causes SARS. It’s about 79% genetically similar to SARS-CoV. As a betacoronavirus, it belongs to the same family of viruses as OC43, HKU1, SARS-CoV, and MERS-CoV, but it is closest to SARS-CoV in its pathophysiology and its method of attack.

All viruses generally work the same way, with some variations. The cells of eukaryotic organisms have receptors on their surface that act as a kind of molecular semaphore system, signaling cells to behave a certain way, converting amino acids, proteins, and peptides, and so on. For instance, cocaine works by binding to the dopamine transporter, tricking it into leaving without its cargo so more dopamine stays behind in the synapse, and beta blockers bind to beta receptors so adrenaline bounces off of them and does nothing, and so on. Viruses have proteins on their exterior that bind to these receptors, fusing the virus to the cell and permitting it to enter the cell in a process called endocytosis. Once inside, the virus breaks down and releases its genetic payload inside the cell, which, in turn, transcribes into instructions for the cell to make more virus. It is exactly like a guy busting into a waffle factory, pointing a gun at the foreman and demanding he make pancakes instead. The cell releases the finished virions, they go on to infect other cells, and so on.

SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2 both use a receptor called ACE2, or Angiotensin Converting Enzyme 2, to infect the human body. There are a couple very important things to know about ACE2.

One, ACE2 is part of the RAAS, the renin-angiotensin-aldosterone system. This is a critical part of the human endocrine system that regulates blood pressure and electrolytes. Two, ACE2 receptors are basically everywhere in the body, because, well, look at what their role is. Blood vessels are everywhere.

Here’s how it works.

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Angiotensinogen is secreted from the liver. If you have low blood pressure or hyponatremia (low sodium), your kidneys go “Hey, raise blood pressure and sodium retention!” and they release Renin which converts Angiotensinogen to Angiotensin I. Angiotensin I is inert and does nothing. It must be converted into Angiotensin II by Angiotensin Converting Enzyme to activate it. Angiotensin II is subsequently converted to Angiotensin 1-7 by ACE2 catalyzing the hydrolysis of the former into the latter.

It’s a classic feedback control mechanism. ACE raises blood pressure by making Ang II. ACE2 lowers blood pressure by dialing that back and changing Ang II into Ang 1-7.

Now, this is where SARS-CoV-2 comes along and throws a monkey wrench into the whole thing. The virus binds to the ACE2 receptor, right? But it doesn’t just use the receptor and leave it intact. It actually destroys the ACE2 receptor. The receptor itself is collateral damage. The virus doesn’t care. It just wants to enter the cell. It doesn’t give one single fuck that it’s busted down the door in the process.

So, and this is key, ACE2 is down-regulated by the action of SARS-CoV-2 infecting a cell.

What does the down-regulation of ACE2 do?

Nothing good. Angiotensin II, an AT1 receptor agonist, starts building up. An abnormally large amount. This does a number of very undesirable things. For one, it increases aldosterone secretion (hyperaldosteronism). This makes the body lose potassium through the kidneys. It all gets urinated out. It also promotes sodium retention, vasoconstriction, and various kinds of inflammation, oxidative stress, and fibrosis.


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This process releases a cascade of inflammatory cytokines and reactive oxygen species.



NF-κBNuclear factor-κB
IκBInhibitor of κB
NADPH oxidaseReduced nicotinamide-adenine dinucleotide phosphate dehydrogenese
p47(phox)p47 protein component of NADPH oxidase
TNF-αTumour necrosis factor-α
IL-6Interleukin-6
MCP-1Monocyte chemoattractant protein-1
ICAM-1Intercellular adhesion molecule-1
VCAM-1Vascular cell adhesion molecule-1
ROSReactive oxygen species
O2•Superoxide
TFTissue factor
PAI-1Plasminogen activator inhibitor-1
AP-1Activator protein-1
MMPMatrix metalloproteinase
CRPC-reactive protein
SAASerum amyloid A

It also up-regulates the receptors for the kinin-kallikrein system. Yes. That’s actually a thing in the body. No, it’s not something from some sci-fi. One of the reasons why you hardly ever hear of the kinin-kallikrein system is because scientists don’t really know what it even does, even though they discovered it like a hundred years ago when they injected piss into people. I shit you not.




The system was discovered in 1909 when researchers discovered that injection with urine (high in kinins) led to hypotension (low blood pressure).[3] The researchers Emil Karl Frey, Heinrich Kraut and Eugen Werle discovered high-molecular weight kininogen in urine around 1930.[4]

Each one of these things is useful in moderation, but bad in excess. COVID-19 triggers a ridiculous excess of all of these factors. NF-κB? Inflammation. NADPH oxidase? Production of ROS and, therefore, oxidative stress. TNF-α? Inflammation. IL-6? Inflammation. MCP-1/CCL2? It would attract monocytes to the lungs and cause fibrosis. ICAM-1 and VCAM-1 make leukocytes stick to the interior walls of blood vessels. Tissue Factor/CD142 and PAI-1 promote clotting. MMP promotes remodeling of the extracellular matrix. High CRP is often seen in inflammatory contexts.

SARS-CoV-2 does a bunch of other nasty things, too.
  • It can invade not only ACE2 receptors, but also CD147/Basigin receptors.
  • It dysregulates the balance of electrolytes in the body.
  • It depletes nitric oxide bioavailability.
  • It disrupts lipid metabolism.
  • It disrupts the urea cycle.
  • It disrupts normal iron metabolism.
  • It kills T lymphocytes.
  • It reduces interferon and blunts the innate immune response.
  • It encourages cell-to-cell fusion and the formation of multinucleated giant cells.
  • It lures megakaryocytes from the bone marrow into the heart.
The sum total of these effects—and the ways in which they interact—is what creates the syndrome of COVID-19.

What does a COVID-19 patient look like?

This is where things get into mindfuck territory. A COVID-19 patient can look like basically anything. If someone comes into the hospital and they have new-onset seizure, encephalitis, meningitis, stroke, heart attack, pulmonary embolism, kidney failure, pneumonia, testicular pain, or what looks like abdominal pain or gastroenteritis, all of those could be COVID-19. That doesn’t mean COVID-19 is hard to detect. Not at all. It has a very specific profile when they start doing a patient’s labs. This mimicry is only a problem if you aren’t looking for it or you don’t know what it looks like. The mimicry is bad for a number of reasons. They could start treating the patient as a heart attack patient or whatever, and not take appropriate precautions for a respiratory disease, getting the healthcare workers sick. It could also delay the proper interventions. This is why, if COVID-19 is suspected, immediate testing and lab work must be done.

When a COVID-19 patient comes into the ER, this is typically what they have:
  • Fever
  • Dry Cough
  • Shortness of Breath
  • Hemoptysis (coughing up small flecks of blood)
  • Ground-glass opacities in lungs on CT scan
  • Low O2 Saturation (<90%)
  • Anosmia (loss of sense of smell)
  • Abnormal AST/ALT (abnormal liver enzyme levels)
  • Lymphopenia (low lymphocytes)
  • Thrombocytopenia (low Platelets)
  • Hypokalemia (low blood potassium because of hyperaldosteronism)
  • Elevated D-dimer (high breakdown products from blood clots)
  • Elevated Ferritin (high free iron in circulation)
  • Elevated C-Reactive protein (a sign of severe inflammation)
  • Albuminuria (albumin in urine)
  • Hematuria (blood in urine)
What follows is a fairly comprehensive list of the actual disorders caused by COVID-19 (don’t panic; some of these are much rarer than others; only critical patients will experience nearly all of these at the same time):
  • Pulmonary
    • Bilateral Viral Pneumonia
    • Pulmonary Edema
    • Pulmonary Fibrosis
    • Pulmonary Embolism
    • ARDS
  • Vascular
    • Endotheliitis
    • Viremia
    • Systemic Capillary Leak Syndrome
    • Antiphospholipid Syndrome
    • Coagulopathy
    • Shock
    • Kawasaki Disease (in pediatric cases, especially)
    • Diffuse Intravascular Coagulation
  • Metabolic
    • Dyslipidemia
    • Urea Cycle Disorder
    • Hyperferritinemia
  • Hepatic
    • Mild Hepatitis
  • Renal
    • Hypokalemia
    • Acute Kidney Injury
  • Neurological
    • Encephalitis/Meningitis
    • Mental Issues/Impaired Consciousness
    • Skeletal Muscle Injury
    • Cerebrovascular Disease
    • Guillain-Barre Syndrome
    • Dysautonomia
    • Anosmia
    • Dysgeusia
    • Seizure
    • Stroke
  • Cardiac
    • Myocarditis
    • Pericarditis
    • Heart Attack
    • Arrhythmia
  • Gastrointestinal
    • GI Inflammation/Injury
    • Diarrhea
    • Nausea/Vomiting
    • Abdominal Pain
  • Reproductive
    • Testicular Inflammation
  • Skin & Eyes
    • Acro-ischemia
    • Conjunctivitis
    • Rash
    • Transient Livedo Reticularis
  • Systemic
    • Bacterial Co-infections
    • Cytokine Release Syndrome
    • Multiple Organ Failure
When confronted with an intimidating-looking list like this, the typical reaction is to assume that it’s a hoax and that there’s no way a highly contagious respiratory disease could cause any of these things, but I assure you, any of these complications can occur due to COVID-19.


The typical course of COVID-19 is somewhat straightforward. The incubation period is about 2 to 27 days, with 5 days being the median. This is followed by about 5 to 7 days of what looks and feels like a rough flu, which is technically the best time to be treated with aggressive antiviral therapy (as in, if someone suspects they have it at this phase, they should go to the hospital immediately and get antivirals, not assume that it’s some other, less severe respiratory disease and they can tough it out). After that, there is a brief latent period where it seems like the flu-like symptoms are gone, and then, this is followed by about 9 to 12 days of severe systemic inflammation that ends in either recovery or death. It takes about 19 to 24 days from the point of infection before someone usually recovers from COVID-19 or dies of it. Some patients experience symptoms for periods as long as three months or more. There is a significant lag period. People who were just infected yesterday won’t be healthy and virus-free until September.

The early phase of the virus can be treated with antivirals, but the late, inflammatory phase is mainly treated with steroids, because that’s not the virus. That’s your own body, tricked by the virus into attacking itself. This is essentially the hallmark of SARS-like pathology. Immune under-reaction allows the virus to replicate and damage cells with impunity at first, and immune over-reaction brings on waves of devastating inflammation.

SARS-CoV-2 can enter the body through the respiratory system, through the eyes, through the olfactory nerve, or from being ingested and binding to the GI tract. Once inside, it has some specific targets it likes to attack, particularly the endothelial lining of blood vessels, brain stem, lungs, heart, liver, kidneys, GI tract, and testicles. It gets into the lining of blood vessels and triggers extreme vascular permeability and clotting, causing the bloodstream to fill with blood clots and the blood itself to turn thick and goopy. The capillaries of the lungs start leaking plasma into the alveoli. Viremia passes the virus into each of the vital organs, and it triggers hyper-inflammation inside each one it reaches while also starving them of oxygen. In a typical critical COVID-19 patient who ends up in the ICU on a ventilator, death does not occur because of pneumonia. In fact, the pneumonia tends to be somewhat manageable. Rather, the coagulopathy goes out of control and a blood clot completely cuts off oxygen to one of the vital organs. That means the cause of death is usually heart attack, stroke, PE, diffuse intravascular coagulation, and so on.

Sequelae of COVID-19 are very similar to SARS. Chronic fatigue syndrome, chronic pain, lung fibrosis, and mental issues like brain fog, difficulty concentrating, depression, and so on. This is not the flu. COVID-19 causes permanent lung and brain damage. Many patients lose as much as 30% of their lung capacity and cannot resume normal activities after recovering. There’s no telling what would happen if they were to get reinfected, or how many millions of people will end up on disability after recovering from COVID-19.

Why is SARS-CoV-2 so much more contagious than SARS-CoV?

COVID-19 is extremely contagious. It is readily aerosolized and can travel 15 feet from someone’s mouth or nose, easily. The reason why SARS-CoV-2 has spread so far and SARS-CoV fizzled out is because SARS-CoV-2 has many, many times the ACE2 binding affinity of SARS-CoV. The key genetic differences pertain to the Spike protein of the virus.

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SARS-CoV-2’s Spike has furin cleavage sites that the spike of SARS-CoV lacked. This makes the spikes remarkably similar to HIV gp120 proteins and extremely infectious to human cells. Furin is ubiquitous in the human body.


Did this thing come out of a laboratory?

Yes, it did. RaTG13, its supposed ancestor, does not exist. It’s a made-up gene sequence, fabricated by the CCP to give SARS-CoV-2 the appearance of having mutated from a wild virus. SARS-CoV-2 has an extremely high binding affinity for human ACE2, but not animal ACE2. There are no intermediate animal hosts for this virus. It is a GOF pathogen, modified by human hands to make a disgusting bioweapon that causes panic and mass casualties to tie up medical resources and hamstring emergency response. Any scientist who says there is no way to prove SARS-CoV-2 came out of a laboratory is a liar.
 
But surely there’s a vaccine?

Yes, Russia is deploying one right now. Designing a COVID-19 vaccine is a process fraught with peril. SARS-CoV-2 is fingered as having antibody-dependent enhancement, like Dengue. What this means is that if someone recovers from COVID-19 (or is vaccinated against COVID-19) and is subsequently exposed to a different strain of the same virus, they might get sicker than if they had no vaccine at all. This has an actual precedent. Dengvaxia failed and injured thousands because of ADE.

ADE is when your Memory B cells encode the correct response for one strain of virus, but the wrong response for a different strain of virus. When you get infected with a different strain, your body responds as it would for the first strain, but the antibodies incompletely neutralize the virus, and then the virus tries infecting macrophages using Fc receptors. This is something that happens very commonly with Dengue Fever. Someone gets one strain, they recover just fine, and then they get a different strain and get really, really sick and almost die. Some have speculated that coronaviruses that cause colds may give ADE to COVID-19, which would be a real fucker if it were true.

SARS-CoV vaccines were known to induce immunopathological reactions in the past. One murine model showed eosinophil infiltration of the lungs, even though infection was prevented by the vaccine.

If there is a safe, effective SARS-CoV-2 vaccine, it will probably be one that induces immunity by rather novel pathways. Time will tell if the ones currently being deployed will backfire or not.

How can this be treated?

Numerous ways. Any serious treatment of COVID-19 will probably involve a protocol that consists of a cocktail of different drugs, given at varying times.

The standard treatment for critical patients is to put them on mechanical ventilation. They shove a tube down the patient’s windpipe and administer a drug that paralyzes their diaphragm so they can’t fight the machine. Also, their blood is clotting up all over the place, so they put them on a heparin drip to try and thin their blood. Also, they have severe inflammation everywhere, so they give them corticosteroids to try and bring it down.

This treatment is problematic for a number of reasons. For one thing, ventilators may cause ventilator-induced lung injury by mechanically stretching the lungs. Because COVID-19 causes endotheliitis and weakens the blood vessels and capillaries, this can actually lead to hemorrhage of small, delicate pulmonary vasculature. The prognosis of critical patients on ventilators is quite poor. Only about one-quarter of them survive. A high-flow nasal cannula or some other form of non-invasive ventilation may be better.

Also, the clotting caused by COVID-19 is largely unresponsive to heparin and very aggressive. Also, methylprednisolone in high dosages can cause long-term issues like osteonecrosis (Swiss cheese holey bones). Giving steroids to someone who’s sick with a virus to cancel inflammation is a balancing act. Inflammation is a normal process to clear viruses. You don’t want to get rid of all of it, just the damaging part.

Many COVID-19 patients end up on dialysis because of kidney failure. The coagulopathy makes this challenging, because the lines and filters try clogging up with clots and need to be changed frequently. This is also why Cytosorb, a special filtration device used to stop sepsis and cytokine storms by absorbing excess cytokines in porous beads, doesn’t work very well; despite showing promise at first, the device fills up with clots almost immediately.

An ideal treatment regimen would involve early usage of antivirals. Remdesivir and HCQ are not the most effective antiviral drugs. Interferon and Kaletra are. Synairgen’s SNG001 inhaled interferon formula basically banishes SARS-CoV-2 from the lungs.


Camostat mesylate, a protease inhibitor used for pancreatitis in Japan, has been investigated as a possible antiviral treatment for COVID-19 because it can inhibit transmembrane protease, serine 2 (TMPRSS2), which is necessary to activate the spike of SARS-CoV-2.

Ivermectin is an antiparasitic drug used for roundworm infections, but it also has activity against COVID-19. It inhibits Importin (IMP) α/β1-mediated nuclear import.

The other key element is vascular support with vitamins, antioxidants, amino acid supplementation, and dietary nitrate. Vitamin D, citrulline, arginine, NAC, NAD+, whatever can be done to regulate oxidative stress and prevent the loss of nitric oxide bioavailability in the blood vessels. The goal is to reduce vascular permeability, restore normal function, and prevent pulmonary edema. If someone has the initial-phase symptoms of COVID-19, they should be tested for hypovitaminosis D, glutathione deficiency, and arginine deficiency, and these should be immediately corrected with supplementation of vitamin D, N-acetylcysteine, and arginine. Vitamin D is fat-soluble and stored in the body for long periods, and increasing dietary nitrate can improve your general health. You can actually get most of what you need, nutrient-wise, by exercising and adjusting your diet to include more fish and fresh fruits and vegetables. Eat salmon, chicken, turkey, beets, spinach, kale, and garlic, and you’ll be well on your way to correcting the problem.

If you’re wondering why Japan and other countries like them are getting away with fewer cases and less severe illness with this virus, it’s probably because of general differences in diet and exercise. Americans are chronically deficient in vitamin D and dietary nitrate. This may be a major contributing factor to racial disparities in the severity of COVID-19, as well. White people don’t seem to be getting it nearly as bad. Milk is fortified with vitamin D in the US, and it’s one of the more common dietary sources. Now look at lactose intolerance by race. Those of Northern European descent are pretty much the only ones who are consistently lactose-tolerant, and therefore, more likely to drink fortified milk and less likely to have hypovitaminosis D. Also, we have easier vitamin D synthesis from sun exposure.

You may be wondering how it could be possible that a nation that’s so well-fed can be so malnourished. Well, it’s actually all over the damn country.


A recent study conducted as part of the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES) indicates that U.S. children and adults have high rates of deficiency of vitamins A, B6, B12, C, D, E, and folate, as well as the mineral iron. (3) In the study, nutrient intake data is expressed as the percent of individuals with inadequate nutrient intake relative to the Estimated Average Requirement (EAR) and the Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA). The EAR is the nutrient intake value estimated to meet the requirement of half of healthy individuals in a group, whereas the RDA is the average level of intake sufficient to meet the nutrient requirements of 97 to 98 percent of healthy people. The RDA, therefore, has a higher value than the EAR for any given nutrient. Based on this data, the researchers found that nutrient deficiencies are extremely prevalent in the United States. (4, 5)

  • Nearly one-third (31 percent) of the U.S. population is at risk for at least one vitamin deficiency or anemia.
  • 23 percent, 6.3 percent, and 1.7 percent of Americans are at risk of anemia or deficiency of one, two, or three to five vitamins, respectively.
  • 1 percent of American adults have an insufficient vitamin A intake.
  • 32 percent have an insufficient vitamin B6 intake.
  • 1 percent are not getting enough vitamin B12.
  • 3 percent have an inadequate intake of folate.
  • 1 percent have an insufficient intake of vitamin C.
  • 4 percent are not getting enough vitamin E.
  • 3 percent have an inadequate iron intake.
  • 95 percent of adults and 98 percent of teens have an inadequate vitamin D intake.
  • 61 percent of adults and 90 percent of teens don’t get enough magnesium.

Dietary nitrate is also crucial. I can’t stress this enough. Americans aren’t eating enough vegetables. Scratch that, we aren’t eating enough actual food. A Twinkie and a bag of Doritos may seem like food, but they ain’t food. If people are wondering why Americans have so many mental health issues and American politics are so crazy, just take one look at what we fucking eat, and then ask yourself if a human brain can remain healthy on such a diet. Two-thirds have magnesium deficiency, a third of us don’t get enough B6, a third of us are on the verge of anemia, and almost all of us are vitamin D deficient. You need the D. You need to treat yourself to a heaping helping of D. And nitrate. No, not packaged meat with sodium nitrite. Vegetables.




There are other interventions that can increase nitric oxide, such as nitric oxide inhalation (which relaxes blood vessels), and hyperbaric oxygen therapy (increases NO concentration in the body).

Relatively high doses of antioxidants may help prevent eNOS uncoupling and restore endothelial health. We’re talking very large amounts of Vitamin C, hydroxytyrosol, alpha lipoic acid, and perhaps even apocynin, given with a doctor’s supervision and monitoring. The goal is to scavenge free radicals as much as possible and restore the normal balance of vascular biochemistry. This is not to say that you should go out and start gobbling every Vitamin C tablet in sight. It would do no good unless you were actually sick. There’s a specific mechanism whereby the virus‘s action on the body produces excess free radicals that injure the vascular endothelium, and taking antioxidants is only really effective while that is occurring.

In a similar vein, APX-115, an NADPH oxidase inhibitor, may help reduce some of the reactive oxygen species production and the associated inflammation and endothelial dysfunction.

Intravenous immunoglobulin would also help reduce capillary leak, but it’s not really widely available in the amounts needed for a crisis of this scale.

Ditto on monoclonal antibodies like tocilizumab and meplazumab. They can be effective against COVID-19, but they’re quite scarce.

I hear that Dexamethasone (and, allegedly, Budesonide) can be more effective than Methlyprednisolone at treating the inflammation.

Sartans, like Telmisartan and Losartan, can block AT1 receptors and prevent much of the AT1-associated hyperaldosteronism, hypokalemia, and inflammation, but they shouldn’t really be given to people with normal blood pressure, because they can lower blood pressure way too much. They can also lead to hypoaldosteronism and excessive potassium retention.

Certain histamine receptor blockers commonly used as heartburn medication, like famotidine and ranitidine, may actually be effective at blocking some features of the hyper-inflammation of COVID-19. Weirdly enough, Ranitidine/Zantac was recalled recently because of concerns about carcinogenic N-nitrosodimethylamine contaminants. This beneficial effect only applies to H2 blockers. Proton pump inhibitors do nothing. Well, they reduce stomach acid, but still, they do nothing for COVID patients.

He also diverted his autism from sperging about how COVID is NEUDERTROBIC DOOOOOM to informing us of possible treatments for COVID which isn't as laughable.

Remarkably, I think it's quite treatable. The problem is that doctors were instructed to treat the wrong virus. Back in March-April, all their briefings described what was basically a form of pneumonia, not an airborne vascular hyper-inflammatory disease. If one focuses on treating the exact issues that COVID-19 causes, especially the vascular issues, then I think most patients will stand a very good chance of survival.

Reversing the vascular pathology of the lungs in COVID-19 by vitamin D and dietary nitrate support, as well as heavy-duty antioxidants, would terminate the pulmonary edema, improve oxygenation, and prevent the hypoxemic injury of the vital organs.

Also, COVID-19 is definitely neurotropic and definitely causes brain damage.


How COVID attacks the brain

Now her area of expertise is being tapped as doctors are seeing more neurological complications from the coronavirus.

Karanjia outlines three ways by which COVID can attack the nervous system: "One, by direct viral invasion, coming through the bloodstream or by infecting the nerves in the nose — the olfactory nerves — that are attached to the brain and crawling along them to the brain. Two, by the body creating antibodies that attack the brain and nervous system. And three, by causing systemic inflammation to the other organs and blood vessels that can cause blood clots to form all over the body, that may get shot up through the heart to the brain, or that may form in the brain itself.”

But there are some facts emerging about the virus and the brain.

"The thing that's tragic and fascinating about COVID is it can affect the brain and nerves in so many different ways," Karanjia said. "For example, the damage it causes to blood vessels can lead to strokes and brain hemorrhages in up to 6% of hospitalized patients. Low oxygen levels caused by the lung and heart injury can damage the brain. And the inflammation itself from the infection can affect the brain and the nerves, causing confusion and delirium in the majority of patients with severe COVID. It can also directly affect the nervous system. In mild cases, it can cause loss of taste or smell, or in severe cases it can cause meningitis. We've also seen it cause, an autoimmune reaction, where the body's antibodies to the virus accidentally attack the brain and nerves, and that can cause life threatening issues like brain swelling and Guillain-Barre syndrome."

And finally, there are psychiatric symptoms that are being reported.

"We're seeing people with hallucinations, even psychosis, even after mild COVID disease, which could be from brain involvement," Karanjia said. "One COVID patient in her 50s, with no psychiatric history, with mild symptoms of fever, cough, and loss of taste and smell, was hospitalized for three days requiring minimal oxygen treatment. After discharge her husband reported she was confused and doing strange things like taking her coat on and off repeatedly, and reporting visual hallucinations of monkeys in her house, as well as auditory hallucinations. And then there's the anxiety, depression and PTSD due to the psychological trauma of being hospitalized with a frightening disease."

The neurological problems related to COVID can range from mild like headache or loss of taste and smell, which have been commonly documented in symptomatic patients, to more concerning things like difficulty concentrating or thinking, which has been called brain fog, to confusion and delirium. The virus is creating neurological complications by causing strokes or depriving the brain of oxygen as well as by attacking the brain cells directly.

"So there are plenty of reports of meningitis and encephalitis, or inflammation of the brain, from the virus infecting the brain," Karanjia stated. "We also know that even in minimally symptomatic patients, when they have an MRI, they can demonstrate evidence of inflammation of the brain even if they don't have neurologic symptoms. So the exact number of patients that that are having neuro-invasion is unclear. But because an early symptom of COVID is commonly the loss of smell and taste, which is carried by the nerve from the nose that goes directly to the brain, the olfactory nerve, we are concerned that direct invasion of the neuro-system is happening in a much larger percentage of patients than we would normally expect with a virus like this."

Anyway, check this out. Looks like somebody skipped leg day, lol.

 
I don't know if I should have posted it under the George Floyd riots thread but in Australia, the police choke slamming a woman for not wearing a mask and the left is call this justice. WTF is that!? I guess that woman wasn't a aborigonal is ok with them.
I'm reminded of a Spanish man who tried riding the subway without a mask but was removed by security and then this happened.


What's sickening is that, like the video's title, there are some who think this is a good thing because they see maskless people as "pieces of shit" (the uploader's typed words).
 
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To hell with forcing us all to take a goddamned likely useless vaccine, they want to force us to take "moral enhancement" pills -- brainwashing drugs to make us complacent with their "superior morality" so we'll wear masks forever. (I'm guessing lithium?)

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It's been amazing watching the left's madness bleed through over the past few years.

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"Be more empathetic, but NOT LIKE THAT!!!!"


Edit: Apparently they've been thinking of basically brainwashing people into being leftists via pills for years now:

https://global.oup.com/academic/product/unfit-for-the-future-9780199653645?cc=ch&lang=en& (2012)
Oh so I was right, this dumbass thinks making an SSRI-equivalent for Oxytocin would be a good idea, because overloading people's brains with a neurotransmitter is a totally new and innovative field that has absolutely no risks because said chemicals are made and used for a veritable amount of differing things that sexual gratification and paternal love are from the same NTS.

While also thinking throwing money at it (while COINCIDENTALLY being in an organization that will benefit from said throwing money) will magically solve it.

A conversation between me and a nurse. What's messed up is that healthcare workers cling to this Virus like an abused wife to a violent husband.

It's insidious. You're made to look like a villain simply because you try to weigh the hype against the reality.

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Becoming a nurse and bitching about pathogen-related deaths is the equivalent of signing up for the army and being surprised when you have to fight a war.
The fuck did you expect?

Just make a comparison to more dangerous things and how we should be as draconian about them as we are about this. Maybe car accidents, or obesity. You know this lady more than I do use something personal.
 
It's as if he (@Drain Todger) doesn't realize our entire scientific establishment has been subsumed into the pharmaceutical banana republic that is our world today.

I mean, all that stuff I just wrote is pretty much the same as what the articles are saying.



There are now numerous peer-reviewed articles describing effects of COVID-19 that go well beyond any mere respiratory illness.

That said, it’s not all doom and gloom. In most people, COVID-19 will be mild. About 80% of known cases are mild, and there appear to be a large number of undiagnosed infections where people aren’t even developing any symptoms at all. It also appears to mostly be a geriatric disease, disproportionately affecting people who are overweight, have diabetes and high blood pressure, or have certain kinds of chronic malnutrition, in addition to advanced age. If someone is young and reasonably fit, they’ll most likely be fine.


Using national case-based surveillance and supplementary data reported from 16 jurisdictions, characteristics of >10,000 decedents with laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 were described. More than one third of Hispanic decedents (34.9%) and nearly one third (29.5%) of nonwhite decedents were aged <65 years, but only 13.2% of white decedents were aged <65 years. Consistent with reports describing the characteristics of deaths in persons with COVID-19 in the United States and China (25), approximately three fourths of decedents had one or more underlying medical conditions reported (76.4%) or were aged ≥65 years (74.8%). Among reported underlying medical conditions, cardiovascular disease and diabetes were the most common. Diabetes prevalence among decedents aged <65 years (49.6%) was substantially higher than that reported in an analysis of hospitalized COVID-19 patients aged <65 years (35%) and persons aged <65 years in the general population (<20%) (57). Among decedents aged <65 years, 7.8% died in an emergency department or at home; these out-of-hospital deaths might reflect lack of health care access, delays in seeking care, or diagnostic delays. Health communications campaigns could encourage patients, particularly those with underlying medical conditions, to seek medical care earlier in their illnesses. Additionally, health care providers should be encouraged to consider the possibility of severe disease among younger persons who are Hispanic, nonwhite, or have underlying medical conditions. More prompt diagnoses could facilitate earlier implementation of supportive care to minimize morbidity among individuals and earlier isolation of contagious persons to protect communities from SARS-CoV-2 transmission.

The relatively high percentages of Hispanic and nonwhite decedents aged <65 years were notable. The median age of nonwhite persons (31 years) in the United States is lower than that of white persons (44 years); these differences might help explain the higher proportions of Hispanic and nonwhite decedents among those aged <65 years. The median ages among Hispanic and nonwhite decedents (71 and 72 years, respectively) were 9–10 years lower than that of white decedents (81 years). However, the percentage of Hispanic decedents aged <65 years (33.9%) exceeded the percentage of Hispanic persons aged <65 years in the U.S. population (20%); the percentage of nonwhite COVID-19 decedents aged <65 years (40.2%) also exceeded the overall percentage of nonwhite decedents aged <65 years (23%) in the U.S. population (8). Further study is needed to understand the reasons for these differences. It is possible that rates of SARS-CoV-2 transmission are higher among Hispanic and nonwhite persons aged <65 years than among white persons; one potential contributing factor is higher percentages of Hispanic and nonwhite persons engaged in occupations (e.g., service industry) or essential activities that preclude physical distancing (9). It is also possible that the COVID-19 pandemic disproportionately affected communities of younger, nonwhite persons during the study period (10). Although these data did not permit assessment of interactions between race/ethnicity, underlying medical conditions, and nonbiologic factors, further studies to understand and address these racial/ethnic differences are needed to inform targeted efforts to prevent COVID-19 mortality.

Since the virus seems to be disproportionately affecting the US, a lot of people have basically lost all patience with the scientific establishment. They can’t believe something like this could happen here. Well, it could. And like I said, the reason why it’s happening is not because of the political, scientific, or medical establishment dropping the ball. It’s because we eat like shit and a lot of us have chronic illnesses already.

And yes, there is a lot of political manipulation occurring because of all of this. What those Democrat governors did, shoving COVID-19 patients into nursing homes, was basically murder. There seems to be a push among certain groups to try and milk the crisis to get at Trump. Very naughty.

Oh so I was right, this dumbass thinks making an SSRI-equivalent for Oxytocin would be a good idea, because overloading people's brains with a neurotransmitter is a totally new and innovative field that has absolutely no risks because said chemicals are made and used for a veritable amount of differing things that sexual gratification and paternal love are from the same NTS.

While also thinking throwing money at it (while COINCIDENTALLY being in an organization that will benefit from said throwing money) will magically solve it.

Americans value our individualism. It’s a part of our national character. The idea that we should all take a collectivist pill to Brave New World ourselves into accepting tyranny is an abomination. I can’t believe that shit even made it to print. The optics are terrible.

The paternalism of it is sickening. “You can’t obey, so here’s an obedience pill.” No, fuck off.
 
I guess that explains why this thread is slower than usual, the resident autistic tranny moved ships back to doompost about the coof once more, did that one forum I can't be bothered to remember ban you?

I don't interpret his more recent posts as doomposting so much as talking about some of the ways the virus can go horribly wrong, which from a scientific perspective will be valuable information somewhere down the road when our leaders are done running around like headless chickens shutting everything down. Deep dives into the granular mechanics of the virus are probably interesting to someone, I imagine.

Certainly, talking about vitamins which can alleviate the worst infections is potentially helpful information. Lack of proper nutrition (as well as a massive excess of the wrong kind of nutrition) is a big issue that causes a broad range of health problems in this country and will be pertinent well after the coronavirus has burned out/been vaccinated into irrelevancy. This country is 40% obese, and after these lockdowns that number will likely only get bigger with everyone gaining their quarantine fifteen; that's going to come back to bite us in the ass given how prevalent heart disease already is in this country.

Just me playing devil's advocate.
 
I guess that explains why this thread is slower than usual, the resident autistic tranny moved ships back to doompost about the coof once more, did that one forum I can't be bothered to remember ban you?

The CFR of COVID-19 has fluctuated from 6% in the us down to 3% and appears to be staying there. The sophistication of treatments is improving. Even though there was a huge wave of new infections in June, deaths are staying flat. Either the new infections are mostly younger people (like, y’know, rioters), or they appear to have successfully increased the survival rate by improving the medical interventions.


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The virus disproportionately affects people with cardiovascular problems, most likely because these conditions “salt” the body with additional ACE2 receptors, giving the virus more sites to bind to and making its job of infecting cells a lot easier.


People without underlying health problems were ten times less likely to die of COVID-19 compared to people with cardiovascular disease. Like I’ve been saying, ACE2 receptors are part of a hormone system that regulates the vasculature.

COVID-19 is an airborne vascular disease.


I don't interpret his more recent posts as doomposting so much as talking about some of the ways the virus can go horribly wrong, which from a scientific perspective will be valuable information somewhere down the road when our leaders are done running around like headless chickens shutting everything down. Deep dives into the granular mechanics of the virus are probably interesting to someone, I imagine.

Certainly, talking about vitamins which can alleviate the worst infections is potentially helpful information. Lack of proper nutrition (as well as a massive excess of the wrong kind of nutrition) is a big issue that causes a broad range of health problems in this country and will be pertinent well after the coronavirus has burned out/been vaccinated into irrelevancy. This country is 40% obese, and after these lockdowns that number will likely only get bigger with everyone gaining their quarantine fifteen; that's going to come back to bite us in the ass given how prevalent heart disease already is in this country.

Just me playing devil's advocate.

I’ve been trying to dismantle the virus down to the most granular, interactomic elements so I can find out if there are ways to counteract what it’s doing. I think I’ve met with some success.

As best as I can tell, you definitely don’t want to have vitamin or amino acid deficiencies with this thing. Or be sedentary, or overweight, or sun-deprived, all of which can happen as a result of a lockdown. In many viral infections, topping off on vitamins only really improves general health, but with COVID-19, there are very specific biological and molecular mechanisms whereby certain vitamin and amino acid deficiencies can lead to very severe illness. The big ones are Vitamin D, L-arginine, and N-acetylcysteine. As people age, they become less able to synthesize vitamin D, as some have stated. This may contribute to the severity of the illness in the elderly.

Also, dangit, American snack food is tasty, but terrible. High fructose corn syrup, flavorings, binders, emulsifiers, coloring, and basically agricultural waste, all mashed together. Our agricultural industry is very efficient. We stretch our food a long way and process it extensively. But is it the right thing for our bodies? No, absolutely not.

The ideal prophylactic for COVID-19 is to lose the pounds and balance the diet by any means necessary, to improve metabolic and vascular health. Like I said, having no underlying cardiovascular illness increases one’s chances of survival by an order of magnitude.
 
Some odd data coming out of Sweden right now.

Their data is not making a great deal of sense. The models predicted a fairly rampant virus in Sweden of 10 Million should have killed about 96,000 by now. Instead, it has killed only 6,000. The data is also not showing a real wave either like it should. Now given this is a country that has put it's reputation on the line by essentially saying "we will let our people make their own choices" and come what may then we should be seeing the "come" by now.

But "come what may" has not happened and isn't happening. Translated, if Sweden was the USA and we increase the cases by 32x, we would see 2.7 Million cases and 192,000 deaths. Instead we are at 5 Million cases and 160K deaths. Given that we still have daily death totals of at least 500, and Sweden has almost none now we are either going to see an inexplicable burnout when we reach about 200K deaths, or the data from Sweden isn't adding up. Their graphs are not really showing what every other country shows with spikes and waves.

Sweden has almost no deaths happening now worth speaking of and the infection rates are dropping.

Anyone got any thoughts on this on why we might be seeing this? I have a friend who is exquisite at modeling and what his models are telling him is that Covid-19 was there a lot earlier than known about and the entire first wave was almost over before they officially even started tracking it. His explanation? They aren't a population heavy with genetic types prone to the disease - and they are not overly fat, nor have excessive rates of obesity.

Anyone with some thoughts on how a country that has allowed this virus to go to town is still today, reporting less than 1% of the population as confirmed cases?
 
Some odd data coming out of Sweden right now.

Their data is not making a great deal of sense. The models predicted a fairly rampant virus in Sweden of 10 Million should have killed about 96,000 by now. Instead, it has killed only 6,000. The data is also not showing a real wave either like it should. Now given this is a country that has put it's reputation on the line by essentially saying "we will let our people make their own choices" and come what may then we should be seeing the "come" by now.

But "come what may" has not happened and isn't happening. Translated, if Sweden was the USA and we increase the cases by 32x, we would see 2.7 Million cases and 192,000 deaths. Instead we are at 5 Million cases and 160K deaths. Given that we still have daily death totals of at least 500, and Sweden has almost none now we are either going to see an inexplicable burnout when we reach about 200K deaths, or the data from Sweden isn't adding up. Their graphs are not really showing what every other country shows with spikes and waves.

Sweden has almost no deaths happening now worth speaking of and the infection rates are dropping.

Anyone got any thoughts on this on why we might be seeing this? I have a friend who is exquisite at modeling and what his models are telling him is that Covid-19 was there a lot earlier than known about and the entire first wave was almost over before they officially even started tracking it. His explanation? They aren't a population heavy with genetic types prone to the disease - and they are not overly fat, nor have excessive rates of obesity.

Anyone with some thoughts on how a country that has allowed this virus to go to town is still today, reporting less than 1% of the population as confirmed cases?

There's some demographic data that suggests that blacks and Hispanics are far more vulnerable to Covid than whites or Asians. I don't know very much about Sweden but I suspect they don't have large black or Hispanic populations.
 
Did this thing come out of a laboratory?

Yes, it did. RaTG13, its supposed ancestor, does not exist. It’s a made-up gene sequence, fabricated by the CCP to give SARS-CoV-2 the appearance of having mutated from a wild virus. SARS-CoV-2 has an extremely high binding affinity for human ACE2, but not animal ACE2. There are no intermediate animal hosts for this virus. It is a GOF pathogen, modified by human hands to make a disgusting bioweapon that causes panic and mass casualties to tie up medical resources and hamstring emergency response. Any scientist who says there is no way to prove SARS-CoV-2 came out of a laboratory is a liar.
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I obtained this from the CDC site:

"SARS-CoV-2 showed high genome sequence identities (87.6%–87.8%) to SARSr-Rp-BatCoV-ZXC21/ZC45, detected in Rhinolophus pusillus bats from Zhoushan, China, during 2015 (6). A closer-related strain, SARSr-Ra-BatCoV-RaTG13 (96.1% genome identity with SARS-CoV-2), was recently reported in Rhinolophus affinis bats captured in Pu’er, China, during 2013 (7). "

What more can you elaborate on the "RaTG13" aspect seeing as I can find no reference of anyone else stating that this sequence - first denoted in 2013 if I am not mistaken, was ever a made-up gene sequence.
 
Some odd data coming out of Sweden right now.

Their data is not making a great deal of sense. The models predicted a fairly rampant virus in Sweden of 10 Million should have killed about 96,000 by now. Instead, it has killed only 6,000. The data is also not showing a real wave either like it should. Now given this is a country that has put it's reputation on the line by essentially saying "we will let our people make their own choices" and come what may then we should be seeing the "come" by now.

But "come what may" has not happened and isn't happening. Translated, if Sweden was the USA and we increase the cases by 32x, we would see 2.7 Million cases and 192,000 deaths. Instead we are at 5 Million cases and 160K deaths. Given that we still have daily death totals of at least 500, and Sweden has almost none now we are either going to see an inexplicable burnout when we reach about 200K deaths, or the data from Sweden isn't adding up. Their graphs are not really showing what every other country shows with spikes and waves.

Sweden has almost no deaths happening now worth speaking of and the infection rates are dropping.

Anyone got any thoughts on this on why we might be seeing this? I have a friend who is exquisite at modeling and what his models are telling him is that Covid-19 was there a lot earlier than known about and the entire first wave was almost over before they officially even started tracking it. His explanation? They aren't a population heavy with genetic types prone to the disease - and they are not overly fat, nor have excessive rates of obesity.

Anyone with some thoughts on how a country that has allowed this virus to go to town is still today, reporting less than 1% of the population as confirmed cases?

One of the reasons why Japan and Sweden may be getting infected less, aside from demographic makeup, diet, or overall health, is the volume of their speech. Japanese people and Swedes are quieter by nature.




The louder people are, the more aerosols they give off. It has been shown that in indoor settings with high-decibel speech or choir practice, localized outbreaks have occurred. That's because the virus is highly concentrated in the oral and nasal mucosa.


Telling people to reduce the volume of their speech to nearly a whisper may substantially reduce transmission of this virus.

The other thing is that the virus has some weaknesses. Much of the spread can be blamed on "superspreader" incidents, where one person infects dozens of others. It may be that superspreaders have certain unusual attributes, and once they become immune, the R0 of the virus drops off sharply.

I obtained this from the CDC site:

"SARS-CoV-2 showed high genome sequence identities (87.6%–87.8%) to SARSr-Rp-BatCoV-ZXC21/ZC45, detected in Rhinolophus pusillus bats from Zhoushan, China, during 2015 (6). A closer-related strain, SARSr-Ra-BatCoV-RaTG13 (96.1% genome identity with SARS-CoV-2), was recently reported in Rhinolophus affinis bats captured in Pu’er, China, during 2013 (7). "

What more can you elaborate on the "RaTG13" aspect seeing as I can find no reference of anyone else stating that this sequence - first denoted in 2013 if I am not mistaken, was ever a made-up gene sequence.


As an expert as Shi is, she only needed to take one peek at the sequence of RaTG13’s RBD and immediately realize: this virus closely resembles SARS in its RBD and has a clear potential of infecting humans. If Shi’s public statement is true and she indeed intends to discover bat coronaviruses with a potential to cross-over to humans, how could she possibly overlook this extremely interesting finding of RaTG13? If this RaTG13 was discovered SEVEN years ago in 2013, why did Shi not publish this astonishing finding earlier and yet let the “less-attractive” viruses take the stage? Why did she decide to publish such a sequence only when the current outbreak took place and people started questioning the origin of the Wuhan coronavirus?

None of these makes sense. These facts only add to the suspicion – Zhengli Shi either was directly involved in the creation of this virus/bioweapon, or helped cover it up, or both.

It's highly implausible that they would discover a bat virus with the potential to infect humans and then only enter it into a genetic database after 7 whole years of sitting on it and doing nothing with it.
 
One of the reasons why Japan and Sweden may be getting infected less, aside from demographic makeup, diet, or overall health, is the volume of their speech. Japanese people and Swedes are quieter by nature.




The louder people are, the more aerosols they give off. It has been shown that in indoor settings with high-decibel speech or choir practice, localized outbreaks have occurred. That's because the virus is highly concentrated in the oral and nasal mucosa.


Telling people to reduce the volume of their speech to nearly a whisper may substantially reduce transmission of this virus.

The other thing is that the virus has some weaknesses. Much of the spread can be blamed on "superspreader" incidents, where one person infects dozens of others. It may be that superspreaders have certain unusual attributes, and once they become immune, the R0 of the virus drops off sharply.






It's highly implausible that they would discover a bat virus with the potential to infect humans and then only enter it into a genetic database after 7 whole years of sitting on it and doing nothing with it.
I did find sufficient evidence that suggests the label given at the time of the discovery did cover this sequence and the date of that journal is 2016. It gives weight that the sequence existed in BtCoV/4991, though not called RaTG13. Apparently it was from fecal matter from Miners that died of the virus in 2013. Baffling yes as to why Dr. Shi didn't yell from the rooftop about this virus given the consequence of the sequence, the data further alludes to access of the sample on the NCI database (I may have noted that down wrong), in 2017 and 2018 for unknown reasons - but odd to access a sample that previously had been shelved as "uninteresting".

And then it turns up in 2019 as a pandemic.

Is it possible that SARS-CoV-2 is actually BtCoV/4991 (aka RaTG13) that got out of a lab in Wuhan, and then went through final changes before being noticed? There were 1100 nucleotide changes noted.

I wonder if there is no intermediate host other than humans - and that they new this in China in early 2019 and did not panic because the virus did not have the other mutations needed. I.E. it could easily access ACE2, but it did not have the vehicle to get it there, and the further changes that may have happened separate from this sequence gave it the means to get to hosts better and then become a problem?

I note of interest that the date Obama set up the CDC with a division dedicated to this correlates to the post-discovery of the new novel viruses Dr. Shi assisted to uncover and perhaps the intelligence community at that exact time knew this could happen?

It is worth noting the Wuhan Institute's level 4 was done under some direction of a Texas institute, and I am getting the uneasy feeling we knew this was going to happen.

Help me out here. I am throwing ideas around to help nut a way forward in looking into this with eyes wide open to all possibilities.




But some other data I have turned up shows that while we can speculate for eons on why
 
Some odd data coming out of Sweden right now.

Their data is not making a great deal of sense. The models predicted a fairly rampant virus in Sweden of 10 Million should have killed about 96,000 by now. Instead, it has killed only 6,000. The data is also not showing a real wave either like it should. Now given this is a country that has put it's reputation on the line by essentially saying "we will let our people make their own choices" and come what may then we should be seeing the "come" by now.

But "come what may" has not happened and isn't happening. Translated, if Sweden was the USA and we increase the cases by 32x, we would see 2.7 Million cases and 192,000 deaths. Instead we are at 5 Million cases and 160K deaths. Given that we still have daily death totals of at least 500, and Sweden has almost none now we are either going to see an inexplicable burnout when we reach about 200K deaths, or the data from Sweden isn't adding up. Their graphs are not really showing what every other country shows with spikes and waves.

Sweden has almost no deaths happening now worth speaking of and the infection rates are dropping.

Anyone got any thoughts on this on why we might be seeing this? I have a friend who is exquisite at modeling and what his models are telling him is that Covid-19 was there a lot earlier than known about and the entire first wave was almost over before they officially even started tracking it. His explanation? They aren't a population heavy with genetic types prone to the disease - and they are not overly fat, nor have excessive rates of obesity.

Anyone with some thoughts on how a country that has allowed this virus to go to town is still today, reporting less than 1% of the population as confirmed cases?
There's some demographic data that suggests that blacks and Hispanics are far more vulnerable to Covid than whites or Asians. I don't know very much about Sweden but I suspect they don't have large black or Hispanic populations.
>Virus mostly kills the old, the obese, and people with co-morbities
>Targets Blacks per capita way worse than whites, and Hispanics even harder
>doesn't seem to be hitting places like Japan hard

...Did China accidentally release an eugenics virus?
 
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There's some demographic data that suggests that blacks and Hispanics are far more vulnerable to Covid than whites or Asians. I don't know very much about Sweden but I suspect they don't have large black or Hispanic populations.

In the case of Sweden, we could wonder if most of the dead people came mainly from the no-go zones in Malmo and Stockholm?
 
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