2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

[Harvey Danger]

Twitter is not real life.

No, it's not. But it is home of the extreme fringe, the ideologues, the ACAB maniacs, and all the other hard-liners who were threatening to walk if Harris was VP.

And they are falling in line. The "bad pick" prediction came from Twitter, and it is dying out on Twitter.

 

[RA-5C Vigilante]

No, it's not. But it is home of the extreme fringe, the ideologues, the ACAB maniacs, and all the other hard-liners who were threatening to walk if Harris was VP.

And they are falling in line. The "bad pick" prediction came from Twitter, and it is dying out on Twitter.

On the one hand, I expected to see the plebs fall in line as ordered.

On the other hand, what do moderates who aren't twitter tards think of her?

 

[-4ZURE-]

On the other hand, what do moderates who aren't twitter tards think of her?

Just spoke to my parents, they think she is excellent and never did anything against blacks because BLM is supporting her apparently. My dad watched the debates, he even told me about the Joe roast that came before Tulsi wrecked Kamala, how do they not know?

What radicals do Biden and Harris appeal to besides radical fools like MovieBob?

Twitter and probably the protestors. Likely every SJW, you should know.

 

[737 MAX Stan Account]

Let the fractures form!

 

[Neil]

I've never been a big Bernie fan, but fuck the DNC. Kamala being picked as VP was super obvious as soon as Biden became the forerunning candidate.

Fuck every literally who idiot the DNC brought out to siphon votes from Bernie. Biden's a walking dementia ridden corpse, why not replace him with the most progressive idiot when he mysteriously succumbs to something in the 2nd year of his term?

She's a safe option, now Dems can have a try at both the boomer AND zoomer voter pools.

Elizabeth Warren should fucking hang herself. She's richer than I'll ever be, that's for sure, but at least her dumb lying 1/1024th cherokee ass won't ever be taken seriously ever again.

Also, fuck the whole "HISTORIC" shit the DNC's been trying to push. Obama, for sure, was historic. Wanna know what he also was? A good fucking candidate, not the fucking cartoon characters we deal with nowadays.

Hilary, the HISTORIC first female president(ial candidate, she lost lol)
Pete Buttigeig, the HISTORIC first gay president(ial candidate)
Now comes Kamala Harris, the HISTORIC first female...uh... black candidate! And she's south asian too!

Fuck off, give us smart candidates again.

 

[Tomboy Respecter]

I feel like the Dems are done at this point, unless they cheat, they have like no chance.

The amount of Trump converts are going to be super minimal, so they cannot bank on the changing of sides. The only canidates that were strong enough to have significant conversion were that of Bernie, Yang and Tulsi. Joe is a complete joke and the Boomer ideal of what a centrist candidate looks like, so no young people want to vote him in. He is a do-nothing candidate, so Trump supporters will get nothing other than an administration they hated coming back.

The problem does not just lye with Trump supporters though. Bernie supporters, or progressives, are speculated to have a higher turnout for Trump than Biden. A 15% to 9% if I remember correctly. Progressives want change, but Biden and Kamala are the most stagnant candidates they can offer. At best, had the Dems picked a progressive, they could have salvaged a few votes. I am guessing many would still turn away, but more would vote if they were given something. Point is, Bernie split the party, and by having two corrupt establishment powers, they are guaranteed to lose a huge chunk of the Democrats own voters’ base.

Now we have to look at moderates. Neither Biden nor Kamala have anything going for them. They are considered settle-for candidates. What push could they possibly give the moderate voter? It does not help that Kamala has a history of corrupt police antics that will likely dissuade anyone who was hurt by the footage shown of George Flyod. Kamala has imprisoned so many black Americans unjustly or for petty crimes, not to mention what her school idea implies as a destruction of the struggling family is an outcome to locking up single parents for delinquents.

At this point the Dems are riding on the older generations and radicals. The older gens still see value in CNN reporting and are fully convinced that they are right. The radicals will like both because democrats and representation. But even then, will electing a corrupt police split up the radicals, and will the older gens remember the debates? Only time will tell I suppose.

Honestly, Bootygag was their only real candidate that could defeat Trump since he's a relatively new face, young and despite being a faggot, somewhat competent at giving the impression he's a moderate that looks at both sides of the isle and takes the best ideas to govern (not true, but appearances matter more than reality.) I knew Biden was fucked when he said he was going to pick a female VP of color since that meant the only person capable of matching both Pence and Trump on both of their terms was pretty much unable to go against them (hence increasing Trump's reelection odds). Now he went and picked the absolute worst person to make VP. It really shows how this id pol mentality doesn't actually produce anybody worthy of governing, but more idiots that just move the Democratic party farther left and make them more un-electable. A Biden/Bootyjudge ticket wouldn't be invincible, but it would increase Biden's chances in the Midwest a lot more, which he needs in order to win back the blue-collar demographic the Dems lost in 2016 and while Trump/Pence would still be likely to win, it would have been more of a closer race than the one Biden/DNC is setting himself to lose. It just shows how bad being a cheerleader for corrupt political parties and not criticizing their choices because they "affirm your voice" or some gay shit like that leads to them making retarded decisions and throwing in the towel in the middle of a race. The Democratic Party needs massive MASSIVE reform and go back to their populist blue collar roots before it can win the 2024 elections, let alone the 2020 elections (which they will probably lose at this point).

 

[Harvey Danger]

On the other hand, what do moderates who aren't twitter tards think of her?

Nothing about Harris' presentation offends them. She has an air of confidence and sometimes authority (which is how Tulsi rocked her on stage, by matching it and showing how empty she was).

Considering the riots thread is on page 3965, if you tell a moderate she was a cop and a prosecutor who was tough on black criminals, they will approve of her. Tell them the ACAB abolish police crazies who are trashing their town hate Harris, and they will really approve of her.

There's good reason Trump isn't doing a victory dance right now.

Let the fractures form!
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Progressives got bent over, same as 2016, except this time without the nakedly criminal backstabbing of the party nominee. And just like 2016, they'll wind up voting for the anti-Trump ticket. Especially now that they don't have to physically go to the polls, they can just mail in their apathetic, disappointed vote.

 

[-4ZURE-]

Progressives got bent over, same as 2016, except this time without the nakedly criminal backstabbing of the party nominee. And just like 2016, they'll wind up voting for the anti-Trump ticket. Especially now that they don't have to physically go to the polls, they can just mail in their apathetic, disappointed vote.

If I am not mistaken, progressives actually helped Trump. Right now, it is looking to be that the majority of those that will be voting are going to Trump. Once again, there was some statistic I remember hearing where Trump had 15% to Biden’s 9% in terms of Progressive demographic. It seems odd until you realize that most only wanted Bernie and are now mad that it is not him, not to mention how members of the anti-SJW, Trump community supported him (looking at Shoe). I remember Shoe finding a clip where Trump even says that Bernie got him the win.

The progressive audience and Trump seem to be on very common ground.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

The progressive audience and Trump seem to be on very common ground.

Sour Grapes against the DNC should be common ground for everyone.

 

[he who has thus come/gone]

The progressive audience and Trump seem to be on very common ground.

I think it's more so populism than progressivism that Trump espouses. I'm not sure how much 15% of that electoral segment matters, but I guess we'll see on election night (month?). I'm more so wondering how minority approval looks for Biden in a couple of weeks. I'm betting this barely helps get black voters out.

 

[Harvey Danger]

If I am not mistaken, progressives actually helped Trump. Right now, it is looking to be that the majority of those that will be voting are going to Trump. Once again, there was some statistic I remember hearing where Trump had 15% to Biden’s 9% in terms of Progressive demographic. It seems odd until you realize that most only wanted Bernie and are now mad that it is not him, not to mention how members of the anti-SJW, Trump community supported him (looking at Shoe). I remember Shoe finding a clip where Trump even says that Bernie got him the win.

The progressive audience and Trump seem to be on very common ground.

That's what my link was referring to, the breakdown where Trump got 12% of Bernie voters in 2016. But 75% of them still went for Hillary.

I don't see a reason why the numbers would change too much from that. Trump hasn't done anything to make progressives happy in the last 4 years, and he isn't the "fuck you" outsider vote any more. Biden didn't backstab Bernie, so he might even pick up more of that slice.

My armchair theory is that progressives are not principled in the way they want you to believe. Instead, progressives are very politically active. They are very motivated to get out and exercise power, which is why they're rabid about wokeness and over-represented at BLM rallies. Voting is an exercise of power, and they will feel the need to vote for someone, in proportion to the amount of existential angst they are feeling.

If they thought they were screwing someone over with a Trump vote in 2016, they did so; otherwise they fell back into the default faction and pretended they were screwing over Trump himself. I don't see a fired up, angry, ACAB, change-the-world type virtue signaller resisting the urge to signal their hate at Trump this time around.

Of course if you're a black progressive, maybe you sit out because of of the Harris pick. But you already felt disenfranchised and voted in lower turnout anyway. Plus it gives you a good story to take back to the BLM march and cry into a megaphone about being oppressed.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

I just asked a Gay Black Friend of mine about what he thinks of Kamala getting the Nomination?

His actual response?

 

[-4ZURE-]

I think it's more so populism than progressivism that Trump espouses. I'm not sure how much 15% of that electoral segment matters, but I guess we'll see on election night (month?). I'm more so wondering how minority approval looks for Biden in a couple of weeks. I'm betting this barely helps get black voters out.

That's what my link was referring to, the breakdown where Trump got 12% of Bernie voters in 2016. But 75% of them still went for Hillary.

I don't see a reason why the numbers would change too much from that. Trump hasn't done anything to make progressives happy in the last 4 years, and he isn't the "fuck you" outsider vote any more. Biden didn't backstab Bernie, so he might even pick up more of that slice.

My armchair theory is that progressives are not principled in the way they want you to believe. Instead, progressives are very politically active. They are very motivated to get out and exercise power, which is why they're rabid about wokeness and over-represented at BLM rallies. Voting is an exercise of power, and they will feel the need to vote for someone, in proportion to the amount of existential angst they are feeling.

If they thought they were screwing someone over with a Trump vote in 2016, they did so; otherwise they fell back into the default faction and pretended they were screwing over Trump himself. I don't see a fired up, angry, ACAB, change-the-world type virtue signaller resisting the urge to signal their hate at Trump this time around.

Of course if you're a black progressive, maybe you sit out because of of the Harris pick. But you already felt disenfranchised and voted in lower turnout anyway. Plus it gives you a good story to take back to the BLM march and cry into a megaphone about being oppressed.

Interesting!
Honestly, I have no idea how to view Bernie supporters anymore. They seem to be at odds with each other in beliefs. He has moderates and radicals, anti-SJW and SJW. I guess this is because what is a progressive is sort of hard to describe at this point, because many of the BLM and radical types were more pro-establishment during the primaries with them hating Tulsi for daring to go against Kamala. There was also 2016 where the SJW army was for Hillary because she was a woman. The riots have thrown me a bit off though, so I will admit to being wrong.

Either way, I think it is save to say that they are an unreliable and unstable group for the democrats to bank on. Even in your assessment, a good 25% still left. Who knows what 25% means in the grand percentage seeing as Bernie was likely the true winner and thus his support makes up a bigger overall percentage than Hillary. Even not voting helps Donald. I wonder if Bernie flaking twice will really start ripping apart the not ACAB part of his base, which I believe to be higher than most give credit to.

Also Trump has made some ”progressives,” more likely populists, happy as he is asserting dominance over the Left that screwed Bernie. They wanted a big change candidate, and they got it. Bernie’s audience is weird?! A good chunk just wanted a DNC takeover, so anything against the DNC is a win.

Yeah, I have no idea anymore? I guess I will just watch as things play out.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Interesting!
Honestly, I have no idea how to view Bernie supporters anymore. They seem to be at odds with each other in beliefs. He has moderates and radicals, anti-SJW and SJW. I guess this is because what is a progressive is sort of hard to describe at this point, because many of the BLM and radical types were more pro-establishment during the primaries with them hating Tulsi for daring to go against Kamala. There was also 2016 where the SJW army was for Hillary because she was a woman. The riots have thrown me a bit off though, so I will admit to being wrong.

Either way, I think it is save to say that they are an unreliable and unstable group for the democrats to bank on. Even in your assessment, a good 25% still left. Who knows what 25% means in the grand percentage seeing as Bernie was likely the true winner and thus his support makes up a bigger overall percentage than Hillary. Even not voting helps Donald. I wonder if Bernie flaking twice will really start ripping apart the not ACAB part of his base, which I believe to be higher than most give credit to.

Also Trump has made some ”progressives,” more likely populists, happy as he is asserting dominance over the Left that screwed Bernie. They wanted a big change candidate, and they got it. Bernie’s audience is weird?! A good chunk just wanted a DNC takeover, so anything against the DNC is a win.

Yeah, I have no idea anymore? I guess I will just watch as things play out.

You are forgetting one thing.

SJWs are mean spirited, vile, narcissistic, Vitriolic assholes. The Bernie Soyboi club didn't vote for Trump out of agreement for policy..they did it as revenge against the DNC for not choosing Bernie-Senpai.

 

[Girlboy69]

Hilary, the HISTORIC first female president(ial candidate, she lost lol)

I always found this funny because she wasn't the first female presidential candidate, just the first one in these millennials' lifetimes.

 

[Samson Pumpkin Jr.]

I think it's more so populism than progressivism that Trump espouses. I'm not sure how much 15% of that electoral segment matters, but I guess we'll see on election night (month?). I'm more so wondering how minority approval looks for Biden in a couple of weeks. I'm betting this barely helps get black voters out.

I heard from the prestigious and well respected Dr. Steve, Hershey Pennsylvania, that "Biden" will lose the black vote because of his incentive racial comments. Steve Turley is never wrong, you can look it up if you don't believe me, so when he says that Biden will lose support from the Afro-American community you better advocate craxism becavse this is getting neoclassical.

No doubt that Russia will interfere in this election and try to convince Africans to vote for Biden. It really is a cult of personality. Biden lost support among the blacks for being too fraternal with them. Buddy, we all know that this is election is over, Biden lookism NEVER co-opts centre left politics

 

[-4ZURE-]

You are forgetting one thing.

SJWs are mean spirited, vile, narcissistic, Vitriolic assholes. The Bernie Soyboi club didn't vote for Trump out of agreement for policy..they did it as revenge against the DNC for not choosing Bernie-Senpai.

The weird thing about Bernie was the right-wing and moderate support though?

IDK. I guess more Trump votes, hopefully.
The thing about Bernie now is that his campaign is essentially over. The progressives lost. Now it feels as though there is a split, many are going to move towards Trump, and a mix of progressives and establishment virtue fighters are going to cause chaos. I feel like we will have a similar turnout to last election if @Harvey Danger and his charts can be used again. Maybe even more cross over if they realized that Dems will never satisfy/ Bernie flakes on them or see the craziness and have enough sense to jump.

Weird bunch, and one heck of a struggle to see where they align.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

The weird thing about Bernie was the right-wing and moderate support though?

The only support that Bernie gets from "The right wing" is that "Hey this guy is telling the truth, you should run him so that we can have an actual debate about what the democrats want as opposed to Joe Biden or Hillary who will lie about what they are going to do..and do the same thing Bernie would do anyways."

 

[-4ZURE-]

The only support that Bernie gets from "The right wing" is that "Hey this guy is telling the truth, you should run him so that we can have an actual debate about what the democrats want as opposed to Joe Biden or Hillary who will lie about what they are going to do..and do the same thing Bernie would do anyways."

I think there are also “I am not an SJW types”, but they are secretly very Left. They get to a point where they are making distinctions between themselves and SJWs, which then gets conflicted Trump fans onboard. It is kinda like you said, Hillary and Biden are trash, but so is Trump, so Bernie must be the smart choice. He has a section against SJWs and the general left. Now that begs the question, do these people like him for policy, or the idea that he will take over the party? He is like the Left’s rebellious candidate, that has a good enough track record to boost him into being reasonable.

Having kinda been in this conflicted boat myself, over the course of the election. I can admit that I was wrong, and I believe I saw Bernie as just that described above. People showed clips where he made good calls, I wanted to see change in the DNC, and I remember quite a few more rational Trump supporter types linking him. I feel as though his policy was more than not an afterthought.

This is all to say, you hit the nail on the head.

 

[Harvey Danger]

The weird thing about Bernie was the right-wing and moderate support though?

IDK. I guess more Trump votes, hopefully.
The thing about Bernie now is that his campaign is essentially over. The progressives lost. Now it feels as though there is a split, many are going to move towards Trump, and a mix of progressives and establishment virtue fighters are going to cause chaos. I feel like we will have a similar turnout to last election if @Harvey Danger and his charts can be used again. Maybe even more cross over if they realized that Dems will never satisfy/ Bernie flakes on them or see the craziness and have enough sense to jump.

Weird bunch, and one heck of a struggle to see where they align.

Leftists don't like to acknowledge what they broadly paint as the "alt-right" includes a good chunk of protectionist, pro-entitlements, big government types. The main difference with the left is they're also anti-immigration (because they view entitlements in terms of limited budget), pro-gun, and anti-feminism. That matches up decently well with pre-2016 Bernie, and when he dropped out that matched up with Trump very well.

I think you have a point about the progressives finally admitting the Bernie campaign is permanently dead, especially with the non-progressive VP pick. I don't know that there's any reason for the lefty progressives to switch to Trump, though. They're trying to form their own wing, same as the Libertarians, and I think they have the clout to do it.

A candidate is a promise; an incumbent is a track record. I'm skeptical that a progressive who voted Trump in 2016 in hope has similar reasons to vote for him in 2020. He might again, for different reasons, but then we're just speculating about millions of voters' mood.