2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

[Syaoran Li]

The weird thing about Bernie was the right-wing and moderate support though?

IDK. I guess more Trump votes, hopefully.
The thing about Bernie now is that his campaign is essentially over. The progressives lost. Now it feels as though there is a split, many are going to move towards Trump, and a mix of progressives and establishment virtue fighters are going to cause chaos. I feel like we will have a similar turnout to last election if @Harvey Danger and his charts can be used again. Maybe even more cross over if they realized that Dems will never satisfy/ Bernie flakes on them or see the craziness and have enough sense to jump.

Weird bunch, and one heck of a struggle to see where they align.

The thing about Bernie Sanders is that his 2016 run was very different from his 2020 run and the Woke Left was in a different position at the time as well. Trump was seen as an unknown wild card and a joke who lucked his way into the primaries since his two biggest competitors were a half-Canadian fundie and a neocon whose brother was one of the most hated presidents within living memory (and whose administration more or less crashed the neocons and the Religious Right as viable platforms for the GOP)

Bernie Sanders in 2016 was the candidate for both the "dirtbag left" types who focused more on class and the economy and the "Anti-SJW" centrists, "Y2K Liberals", and libertarians who were worried that Trump was too much of a wildcard and would be easily corralled by Pence since he had no real political experience.

The Bernie Sanders of 2020 was a very different beast who leaned more on Identity Politics and was throwing his lot in with the DSA and backed The Squad. The Woke Left became a lot more zealous and deranged in 2019-2020 compared to 2015-2016 and cancel culture was reaching a fever pitch. The "dirtbag left" are now part of the wider BreadTube and Antifa crowds while the Anti-SJW moderates and Y2K Liberals are backing Trump since he hasn't already kowtowed to the Religious Right (if anything, they're kowtowing to him) and the neocons hate him. The Y2K liberals and moderates who aren't backing Trump are far more likely to sit the election out since BLM and Antifa went batshit on a national level

I think there are also “I am not an SJW types”, but they are secretly very Left. They get to a point where they are making distinctions between themselves and SJWs, which then gets conflicted Trump fans onboard. It is kinda like you said, Hillary and Biden are trash, but so is Trump, so Bernie must be the smart choice. He has a section against SJWs and the general left. Now that begs the question, do these people like him for policy, or the idea that he will take over the party? He is like the Left’s rebellious candidate, that has a good enough track record to boost him into being reasonable.

Having kinda been in this conflicted boat myself, over the course of the election. I can admit that I was wrong, and I believe I saw Bernie as just that described above. People showed clips where he made good calls, I wanted to see change in the DNC, and I remember quite a few more rational Trump supporter types linking him. I feel as though his policy was more than not an afterthought.

This is all to say, you hit the nail on the head.

Hey, I was the same way in 2016.

Bernie Sanders ran a much different campaign in 2016 than he did in 2020, as I explained above and a lot of the "dirtbag left" anti-SJW liberals and progressives either have finally gone full on woke (BreadTube) or have been forced to swallow at least a few red pills and are now backing Trump solely as a last ditch effort to stop the batshit insane Woke Left.

 

[heyitsmike]

I don't know about y'all, but I'm going to bed tonight feeling significantly better about Trump's chances than I did waking up this morning.

The betting markets agree too.

Joe Biden’s Election Odds Tumble Following Kamala Harris VP Selection: Trump Closes Gap In Presidential Betting Markets

Democratic Presidential nominee Joe Biden saw his 2020 Presidential Election odds fall after he selected California Senator Kamala Harris as his running mate Tuesday afternoon. Does this move suggest a change in the tides for Trump's reelection chances?

www.forbes.com

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Couldn't have said this better myself.

 

[BeboRefugee]

Leftists don't like to acknowledge what they broadly paint as the "alt-right" includes a good chunk of protectionist, pro-entitlements, big government types. The main difference with the left is they're also anti-immigration (because they view entitlements in terms of limited budget), pro-gun, and anti-feminism. That matches up decently well with pre-2016 Bernie, and when he dropped out that matched up with Trump very well.

I think you have a point about the progressives finally admitting the Bernie campaign is permanently dead, especially with the non-progressive VP pick. I don't know that there's any reason for the lefty progressives to switch to Trump, though. They're trying to form their own wing, same as the Libertarians, and I think they have the clout to do it.

A candidate is a promise; an incumbent is a track record. I'm skeptical that a progressive who voted Trump in 2016 in hope has similar reasons to vote for him in 2020. He might again, for different reasons, but then we're just speculating about millions of voters' mood.

With Bernie's total lack of will to fight the system, especially in his 2020 run (Read: his last chance in life to see such change) I think he ran as a Good Loser candidate. He was there to galvanise the young and the poor and the solidly left, and when he inevitably lost, funnel that enthusiasm, energy, and most importantly, CASH, towards milquetoast moderates that don't deserve it. It banked on misdirection, sunk cost fallacy, and a really scummy sustained campaign of false hope towards a class of people that don't have hundreds of dollars to spare for Hillary and Joe, but were groomed by the friendly old socialist before the grift became evident.... maybe scratch Joe. If you got fooled in 2016 fair enough, but by 2020 you had no excuse for getting fooled.
Bernie's complete lack of backbone perplexed a lot of his followers, and still does to this day. But its because he's not a fighter. I don't know if I would have copped on to the scam if only for the fact when Hillary lost her and acolytes started VOCALLY BLAMING Bernie for their failings, even though he totally rolled over and capitulated to them.

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With regards to Kamala as a VP pick,
Kamala might sound like a terrible choice on paper, but never under-estimate the twitterati's amoralism. They don't have principles. They don't have standards. They will do whatever it takes to win. They think themselves into logical pretzals all the time, be it the costings for free college, healthcare, open borders, crime and punishment--etc. They may claim to be free thinkers but they only get to feel smart by agreeing with the smart people on TV. When the smart TV people stopped talking about the Russia hoax so did they. When the TV said the riots were Trump's fault they said the same. When the talk show hosts advocated ground troops in Syria, where were their principles? There weren't any. Because defeating Trump is all that matters, and these people will defame and cancel anybody who questions that.
So when Kamala Harris is made the shadow President, these #VoteBlue advocates are gonna fall in line. They may grumble, but they've been trained to hate Republicans and will champion a brave brown/black womyn for what she is on a census form andwho she opposes and because the smart TV people said so, and it doesn't matter her record involves diligently cooking books and exploiting institutions as the AG to ruin thousands of lives. She has, in the last decade, done the very things BLM accuses the police of doing, and what liberals have smugly accused Republicans of wishing to do. It does not matter. They don't give a fuck.

But you already knew that. I mean, how couldn't you?

 

[DrearyDoomguy]

Considering the riots thread is on page 3965, if you tell a moderate she was a cop and a prosecutor who was tough on black criminals, they will approve of her. Tell them the ACAB abolish police crazies who are trashing their town hate Harris, and they will really approve of her.

There's good reason Trump isn't doing a victory dance right now.
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I don't disagree with you in the abstract, but is it really going to make a difference considering she's spent years rebranding herself as a social justice leftist? Maybe she tries to distance herself from the ACAB crowd, but with Biden literally kneeling to the mob I don't know if she can really get away with playing the moderate in the 2020 democratic party; take a look at the latest primaries and runoffs. All the moderate democrat incumbents have been getting absolutely demolished by radical challengers. I don't see Kamala keeping reasonable about crime guise up very well in that environment. Her constituency won't let her and she's flip-flopped too many times.

 

[-4ZURE-]

Hey, I was the same way in 2016.

Bernie Sanders ran a much different campaign in 2016 than he did in 2020, as I explained above and a lot of the "dirtbag left" anti-SJW liberals and progressives either have finally gone full on woke (BreadTube) or have been forced to swallow at least a few red pills and are now backing Trump solely as a last ditch effort to stop the batshit insane Woke Left.

I was like this in 2019 (as to kill all credibility), but I think there is a bit of blindness to his 2019 campaign. He earned a lot of good will in 2016, so that carried him quite a bit in 2019, hence why I think a good chunk will move back to Donald. To bring up ShoeOnHead again, she was omega pro-Bernie while still playing up the whole anti-SJW angle. Even she seemed to still veer her audience towards Donald when thing inevitably go south. I think a lot were Trump’s people deep down and knew that Bernie would inevitably get taken out, so they already were preparing for Trump. The fact that Bernie seems to not have actually been screwed and willingly went along this time will probably red pill a few.

I think I saw more of the faults in his campaign when he quite. He went way more race-baity and sex-baity after he ran in his promotion to Biden. I wonder how many will feel completely betrayed.

They're trying to form their own wing, same as the Libertarians, and I think they have the clout to do it.

Luckily for us, this will help Donald as a vote gone from Biden, is a lost vote. Trump can only gain from Bernie’s destruction whether that be through non-voters, 3rd party voters, or them actually voting for him. I am assuming by wing you mean party right?

I wonder if a new party could even form with all Bernie’s base. Once again, the takeover of the DNC was sort of a big selling point, so without that what do you have?

With Bernie's total lack of will to fight the system, especially in his 2020 run (Read: his last chance in life to see such change) I think he ran as a Good Loser candidate. He was there to galvanise the young and the poor and the solidly left, and when he inevitably lost, funnel that enthusiasm, energy, and most importantly, CASH, towards milquetoast moderates that don't deserve it. It banked on misdirection, sunk cost fallacy, and a really scummy sustained campaign of false hope towards a class of people that don't have hundreds of dollars to spare for Hillary and Joe, but were groomed by the friendly old socialist before the grift became evident.... maybe scratch Joe. If you got fooled in 2016 fair enough, but by 2020 you had no excuse for getting fooled.
Bernie's complete lack of backbone perplexed a lot of his followers, and still does to this day. But its because he's not a fighter. I don't know if I would have copped on to the scam if only for the fact when Hillary lost her and acolytes started VOCALLY BLAMING Bernie for their failings, even though he totally rolled over and capitulated to them.

What he did was disgusting.
I am glad I did not give him money. I always knew he would never be the president, but I atleast thought he would go out fighting with the Dems screwing him again, but instead, he just went along. Same goes for Tulsi and Yang. I also think his trust in Ocassio tipped me off, I thought he was just being stupid at that point. Why use her when Tulsi helped you way more, AOC could only hurt his campaign?

 

[Tomboy Respecter]

I don't disagree with you in the abstract, but is it really going to make a difference considering she's spent years rebranding herself as a social justice leftist? Maybe she tries to distance herself from the ACAB crowd, but with Biden literally kneeling to the mob I don't know if she can really get away with playing the moderate in the 2020 democratic party; take a look at the latest primaries and runoffs. All the moderate democrat incumbents have been getting absolutely demolished by radical challengers. I don't see Kamala keeping reasonable about crime guise up very well in that environment. Her constituency won't let her and she's flip-flopped too many times.

That's the problem: the modern Democratic Party is literally against the rule of law and pretty much everyone in suburbia and rural America knows this. Why do you think most of these riots are in deep blue cities and not in the more moderate suburbs for the most part and are utterly non-existent in red areas/states? Even if Kamala Harris was a prosecutor in the past, it's clear that won't help her image because she's been on the record saying the riots are justified "protests" because of racial injustice or some gay shit like that. She may try and act like a law and order candidate, but to anyone with a couple braincells, she's not. She's a neolib pandering to progressives and as such she hates the rule of law unless it involves her property. The Democratic Party has really done no soul searching since 2016 and it's going to bite them in the ass this cycle.

 

[UselessIdiot]

Like I've said before, Biden/Harris are only going to win if more white people vote for them than they did Hillary. The Democratic Party has already maxed out their votes among Latinos and blacks, and I doubt more will show up for this shitty ticket than they did Clinton.

Please make the right choice white suburbanites!

 

[Harvey Danger]

I don't disagree with you in the abstract, but is it really going to make a difference considering she's spent years rebranding herself as a social justice leftist? Maybe she tries to distance herself from the ACAB crowd, but with Biden literally kneeling to the mob I don't know if she can really get away with playing the moderate in the 2020 democratic party; take a look at the latest primaries and runoffs. All the moderate democrat incumbents have been getting absolutely demolished by radical challengers. I don't see Kamala keeping reasonable about crime guise up very well in that environment. Her constituency won't let her and she's flip-flopped too many times.

The abstract is all her narrative needs. When questions about riots and crime come up, she'll be the badass top cop. When the progressives come whining, she'll do a listening tour and say the magic words and parrot the woke ideology. In between, she'll be the historic POC woman who talks with authority and stands up to Sexist Drumpf. (That last one will be her guard against the "sleeping to the top" accusation.)

It doesn't matter if Trump/GOP calls her on any contradictions, it only matters that her voters accept the contradiction and vote for her anyways. I think they've got the ideological structure to excuse hypocrisy like that. They got everyone on board #VoteBlueNoMatterWho months before they dropped all this disappointment onto their base (including Biden himself). They just have to pitch Trump as the Cheeto Hitler, keep the troops in line another few months, and they keep their base.

The question is whether Trump's base stays with him or not, particularly the independents. Biden/Harris gives them an acceptable alternative to Trump; normal people who hated Hillary and held their nose voting for Trump don't have to hold their nose any more.

Spoiler: progressives and the working class

I forget who, but someone said the white working class (WWC) vote swings from party to party. Reagan took it from Carter, Bush I held onto it for one election, Clinton took it from Bush I, Gore and Bush II kind of split it, Obama took it in 2008, and then Trump got it in 2016. I can easily see a progressive picking up their vote next time as the economy continues to deteriorate for them, but one isn't running in 2020.

So I don't know that Trump will lose them when facing Biden/Harris. The real question is, how many WWC were for Bernie because of his progressive policies and switched to Trump? The 2019-20 primary numbers showed BernieBros were upper class whites, which wasn't enough for him.

Back in 2008, it was claimed that Biden was a "working class Joe", which helped Obama with his "aloof intellectual" persona. I don't know how true that was, I think that effect was lost in the switchover from 8 years of Bush. In theory he could pick it up again, and I've seen some messaging about that going around. But I don't know that the WWC would go for a clearly senile old guy. They're supposed to be more practical than ideological.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

The Democratic Party has already maxed out their votes among Latinos and blacks

No they didn't Hillary did Abysmally among Blacks. They still dominate the % of blacks who voted but it went from 66.6% in 2012 for Obama to 59.6% Democrats can not win without Blacks actually showing up to vote.

 

[Kane Lives]

Madman actually did it. He (his handlers) picked Copmala.



The gymnastics required to justify her selection among the far left is going to be hilarious.

 

[DrearyDoomguy]

The abstract is all her narrative needs. When questions about riots and crime come up, she'll be the badass top cop. When the progressives come whining, she'll do a listening tour and say the magic words and parrot the woke ideology. In between, she'll be the historic POC woman who talks with authority and stands up to Sexist Drumpf. (That last one will be her guard against the "sleeping to the top" accusation.)

That kind of ideological chameleon act requires serious charisma. Kamala Harris is... not the most likable person. I don't think it's impossible for her to pull it off, but her more grating qualities are going to throw her questionable record into much sharper focus with voters than if she were a more gifted orator, especially on the national stage. It's the same shit that happened with Romney. He thought he was enough of a smooth talker to constantly cycle between irreconcilable positions, and ultimately paid the price for his arrogance on election day.

 

[Salubrious]

I'll be okay admitting I'm the dumbass, but I thought the primaries this year were going to be a Bernie corination, and I don't even like Bernie.

Hell, I didn't know Biden was even running until I was watching on a random TV that he won South Carolina.

To be fair to how little I pay attention, I had never heard of Buttigieg either until he won Iowa. Then I was confused watching a TYT meltdown stream that Cenk was calling him an establishment Democrat; and I was just "wait, the gay candidate is the establishment now?"

So yeah, I know jack shit about politics.

 

[heyitsmike]

Way too many hot takes on Twitter right now about how Kamala is going to destroy Pence.

I'm over here like, are we talking about the same people? Kamala got destroyed by Tulsi during a debate and Pence was smooth as fuck against Kaine.

Holy wishcasting, Batman.

 

[Harvey Danger]

That kind of ideological chameleon act requires serious charisma. Kamala Harris is... not the most likable person. I don't think it's impossible for her to pull it off, but her more grating qualities are going to throw her questionable record into much sharper focus with voters than if she were a more gifted orator, especially on the national stage. It's the same shit that happened with Romney. He thought he was enough of a smooth talker to constantly cycle between irreconcilable positions, and ultimately paid the price for his arrogance on election day.

Hillary Clinton had the charisma of a green skinned lizard demon, but she still won the popular vote.

I think for the left, when it comes to certain candidates, charisma isn't a scaling variable: it's a minimum. If you meet the threshold, you get the votes, and it's a handful of constituencies on the margin that make the difference. Clinton and Harris both hold up on camera, they speak with enough authority to believe they can be leaders, and they don't make verbal flops like Bush II or Trump.

Part of the equation is the media spinners helping out, and they've been completely in the tank for the left since 2012. Harris can choose to look tougher or softer and get the media to get along with it.

People cried when Hillary didn't win, for fuck's sake; that unlikable harpy got people so emotionally attached to her they bawled on camera. Harris can artifice enough good will to get by.

 

[Cold Root Beer]

Ok, I'm an eternal pessimist, and I can't help but feel that the DNC will do everything in their power to lie, cheat, and steal their way to victory in November. So level with me, if Biden wins and steps down early on to crown Komala as the 47th president, how fucked are we? Will the Democrats try to calm the waters and give the carrot after 4 years of their screeching stick, or are the going to waste no time in bringing more chaos?

 

[-4ZURE-]

Way too many hot takes on Twitter right now about how Kamala is going to destroy Pence.

I'm over here like, are we talking about the same people? Kamala got destroyed by Tulsi during a debate and Pence was smooth as fuck against Kaine.

Holy wishcasting, Batman.

Twitter called Tulsi a racist for speaking out against her. Kamala wins no matter what to them. Her campaign bursting into flames was a tactical move I suppose. Really showed us racists huh?

Hell, I didn't know Biden was even running until I was watching on a random TV that he won South Carolina.

Biden pretty much power moved Sanders. He was doing terribly, then suddenly every single canidate dropped out at once and got in bed with him. I think Tulsi and Yang were the real surprises though. One would expect them to go Bernie, yet they went with dementia man. Bernie supporters were left a bit in disbelief that day.

but to anyone with a couple braincells, she's not

This is a little harsh. The issue is most only get their facts from the bias media. They are not stupid, but rather mislead due to preconceived notions that the news is trustworthy. Very few really venture out due to years of sayings like “Just because it is on the internet, that does not mean it is true.” They get trapped in a bubble of complete trust in media and their only experiences without are usually the brain-dead of Trump’s following as they share faulty articles on FaceBook. Articles that are typically parody sites.

Sorry, I just know people who are this way. They are not stupid, but just stuck in a place where they are completely out of the loop. It is hard to even show them “the truth” as they just cannot trust it. It is sad really, and the democrats are banking on this demographic. This is why I rant about older gens to be honest. They are not dumb, on a baseline I agree with them, but our place in the information pool is so totally different that it is a chore to converse with them. Usually they just get on me as I am on faulty forums boards full of false information or what have you.

Ok, I'm an eternal pessimist, and I can't help but feel that the DNC will do everything in their power to lie, cheat, and steal their way to victory in November. So level with me, if Biden wins and steps down early on to crown Komala as the 47th president, how fucked are we? Will the Democrats try to calm the waters and give the carrot after 4 years of their screeching stick, or are the going to waste no time in bringing more chaos?

Welcome to 2020
We are doomed with Harris as president. It will be full of conflict with Russia, an allowance of Chinese influence, a pat on the back for elites, and Leftist take overs of big business and likely outside cultures. I fear what the East will become in the advent of her winning. India, Japan, Korea, Brazil (I know it is western), they all need an ally they will likely not be receiving.

 

[DeadFish]

That kind of ideological chameleon act requires serious charisma. Kamala Harris is... not the most likable person. I don't think it's impossible for her to pull it off, but her more grating qualities are going to throw her questionable record into much sharper focus with voters than if she were a more gifted orator, especially on the national stage. It's the same shit that happened with Romney. He thought he was enough of a smooth talker to constantly cycle between irreconcilable positions, and ultimately paid the price for his arrogance on election day.

I dont have charisma and I've found the way to over come that is have consistency in ones ideas or message.

Seeing how the democrats are right now I dont think they will have that saving grace

 

[Harvey Danger]

Bless their hearts, they're trying.

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[Meat Target]

how fucked are we?

Dropped the soap at Folsom Prison fucked.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

If the Democrats had candidates that had ability, charisma and popularity maybe but they went with dubious, unlikable, dementia and failure. Biden's what, a three time loser already and Harris is so unlikable most black folks already fired up via BLM aren't going to vote for someone who has campaigned on putting black men in prison for smoking weed, something she herself bragged about smoking herself.

It's Trump's election to lose. Of course the DNC can get the chinks to cook up another virus and spread it around red states or Trump could make another one of his famous verbal wtf gaffes but the DNC knows it's over.

Bless their hearts, they're trying.

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How is that Commie Jew who went on his honeymoon to the USSR Really American? Republicans for Joe Biden, so fake and gay lmao