The Twitter Pedo Hunter / Loli Crusader Community

The funny thing is that these spergs will complain about an intangible slippery slope of "normalizing pedophilia" with lolicon when the actual, tangible results of spouting this harmful rhetoric is already present.

It starts with fiction, and when we start using fiction, an extremely malleable medium, to set goalposts, the goalposts become extremely easy to move. Lolicon is wrong because the lines "look" like a child, which takes away the reason why childhood exploitation is harmful in the first place. It's not harmful because it's disgusting, but because a real child is being hurt in the process of creating it. When you say "ban lolicon because it has lines that look like kids in it," you start to go down a rabbit hole. What about this woman who is small and has a cups? What about girls who like "cutesy" things like pastels and stuffed animals? Does that make their boyfriends "pedos?" Are you going to arrest the woman for creating "CP" when it's her adult body? Places like Australia say yes.

Piggybacking off of that point, conversations about censorship come into play. What are the goalposts on fiction? They say, "Anything that glorifies the sexual abuse of children!" But what is glorification? What is romanticization? What are all these buzzwords, and who has the right to decide what defines them, especially in a court of law? Lolita is a book that is anti-pedo, but some people may find themselves sympathizing with the narrator, or find the scenes arousing. Lolita could have led to the sexual awakening of several pedophiles, and yet it's anti-pedo.

Even going for more tame stuff like Catcher in the Rye, a classic piece of literature that doesn't promote violence or the like, are we going to censor that because at three people have attempted/succeeded in committing homicide in relation to the book? Hell, John Lennon's killer had it on hand. These were three separate, fucked-up individuals who happened to be interested in the story and sympathize with its protagonist. Is Catcher in the Rye promotional material for serial killers?

The problem is that we are dealing with abstract concepts and trying to solidify them into goalposts. It is so simple to break down art and have it fit a certain idea. You could say that American History X, an anti-racist and anti-Nazi movie, advocates for Nazism because of the humanization of the Nazi main character, or how the movie ends with the reformed Nazi's younger brother getting killed by a black man, effectively reaffirming his and the audience's prejudices, or the, dare I say, romanticized Nazi imagery throughout the film. You could say that IT advocates for underage sex because the book uses the fucking child orgy as a moment of "bonding" for the characters. You could say that American Beauty advocates for pedophilia since the movie never stops and tells you why the main character's attraction to his teenage daughter's friend is bad. That last sentence may seem like an exaggeration, but I have actually seen people that want every bad thing in a piece of fiction to have a detailed monologue about why said thing is bad.

But, let's hone in on smutty fanwork in particular. There is literally no evidence to suggest that porn leads to higher rates of sexual violence and in fact, the argument could be made that it decreases it. And, let's be real here: Fanwork doesn't usually seek to be a literary piece of fiction with a moral message. Of course, you can say that every piece of media has a message, but typically, the artistic skills to make a piece that's going to even remotely make people question their morals are not instilled into the typical fanfiction author. Speaking from experience of being in fandom since I was 11, I can say that never not once did I interact with a piece of fanwork (even pornographic) that influenced my morals in any way.

I hear a bunch of Tumblristas going apeshit about how "I saw people shipping Sans and Frisk when Undertale was popular, so I thought minor/adult relationships were normal!" Hey, what the fuck? What kind of fucking mental state were you in that made you think that pedophilia was even remotely okay? That is a by-product of some other environmental factor that needs to be addressed within your life.

Back to the moving goalposts aspects, I have even seen this whole "loli crusade" shit expanding and expanding to ridiculous lengths. So, the initial argument was that they look like a kid, so they can't be lewded? Alright, cool. What about this JoJo character that looks like a 50 year-old but is actually 17? Still no? Alright, let me age him up. What? Aging up characters who were initially minors in canon is creepy? Uh... okay? What? I can't even do artistic nudity? What the fuck? Alright, since I can't have that character, let me like this one who has a petite body and cutesy features, but is of age and has huge tits. What? That's not okay either? You see the issue? Dare I say we're going to get to a point one day when drawing porn of women is "misogynistic" because it contributes to the fetishization of the female body? Oh... wait.

I wouldn't be so invested in this loli crusade thing if it didn't bring up bigger, more concerning matters, and if the ideas weren't so prevalent. I've seen a bunch of kids on TikTok arguing that men's sexuality is "rooted" in pedophilia because they like women without arm, leg, and pubic hair. Instead of getting a resounding "fuck you" and slap on the wrist, I've heard so many people agreeing with them. This shit is fucking stupid at best, and harmful at worst.

The truth is that this moralistic approach to things has historically never been right. We see the results of things like sexual repression in society, how harmful those ideas have been in so many respects. People always take advantage of these all-mighty good ideas and use them to justify horrible shit, from teenagers looking for a justification in bullying people like the spergs on this thread to politicians looking for censorship.



Oh no, it's absolutely hilarious, because they do a complete 180 when disproven. After you get done telling them your point, they'll either try to argue it more or say, "But just because it's legal doesn't mean it's morally correct!" I've seen the shift. Thing is, morals are different between societies and even individuals. Sorry, but my morals only go as far as if somebody who is unjustified in harm is getting hurt, and fictional characters don't have feelings, so frankly, I don't care. If a lolicon goes and molests a real child, then I have a problem because someone was hurt. But, my first reaction isn't to look at their anime porn. Besides, from what I've heard, most child molesters who view lolicon have real CP with them as well.

Also, most of these people that say this shit about lolicon are avid ACAB and defund the police supporters, but absolutely love to treat the law as the word of god when it comes to Twitter brownie points. Yeah kids, you're not supposed to look at porn until you're 18, drink until you're 21, or send nudes until you're 18, but let's focus on the drawings!



This is actually kind of a meme with pro-shippers and pro-loli people. They'll go under the callout posts and say, "If you thought this was CP, then you wouldn't be sharing it on your page," and those never get responses. Wonder why? It's almost like it's not illegal to share lolicon because it's not actual CP. Who could have guessed? I would love to have this question answered some day, because top Olympian athletes may have yet to learn from the sheer level of mental gymnastics that these people can achieve.
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this... all this... is why we should never let censorship of art or speech (where it isn't a direct threat of or call to violence) slip by us. it never stops at just one thing. it's never going to be just what these people don't like.

Rowan Atkinson did an excellent speech about free speech/expression that i watched recently. well worth listening to, the man's seriously smart and articulate.

the mere fact that one person could interpret the apparent age of a fictional character differently from another, and use that against them in a place where loli/shota art is illegal, is more than enough to show how bad of an idea banning that shit is.

I wouldn't be so invested in this loli crusade thing if it didn't bring up bigger, more concerning matters, and if the ideas weren't so prevalent. I've seen a bunch of kids on TikTok arguing that men's sexuality is "rooted" in pedophilia because they like women without arm, leg, and pubic hair. Instead of getting a resounding "fuck you" and slap on the wrist, I've heard so many people agreeing with them. This shit is fucking stupid at best, and harmful at worst.
honestly i see this so much among sjw-types and even the less radical types. this demonization of male sexuality in all its forms (except for gay men, mostly) is prevalent everywhere, most especially in feminism. men are considered gross, creepy, evil, etc basically no matter how they try to express their sexuality as it pertains to women. it's honestly depressing to see.
 
honestly i see this so much among sjw-types and even the less radical types. this demonization of male sexuality in all its forms (except for gay men, mostly) is prevalent everywhere, most especially in feminism. men are considered gross, creepy, evil, etc basically no matter how they try to express their sexuality as it pertains to women. it's honestly depressing to see.
Even gays aren't safe from SJWs, but there's one form of male sexuality that's been completely enshrined lately. Male-to-Female transgender people who, despite displaying 100% male sexual patterns and behaviors while aping insultingly stereotypical female behaviors, are completely beyond reproach.

But that's for the tranny sideshows thread.
 
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demonization of male sexuality in all its forms (except for gay men, mostly) is prevalent everywhere, most especially in feminism. men are considered gross, creepy, evil, etc basically no matter how they try to express their sexuality as it pertains to women. it's honestly depressing to see.
I flipped out when I realised this propaganda was getting to me - I mostly had* male friends for like 3/4 of my life, and so should have known better. Ffs, last time a man hurt me in any way was in high school, and it was a local analogue of ghetto fucker.

* still have a few, even though none of the earlier ones stayed, but that is puberty stupidity setting in to blame.
 
Back on the topic of Australia, apparently even photographs of adult women with a-cups are banned in fear of it "encouraging pedophilia."

This is the type of shit this tardery leads to.
It's pretty clear to me that Australia is the most cucked developed country ever. They've also even banned airsoft guns because they think they will lead and encourage to mass shootings then.

So while the rest of the world has moved on, Australia is still stuck in the 1990's and they're even more cucked than the UK at this point.
It really just is a slippery slope, isn't it? I can't imagine being a grown woman, possibly already self conscious about having a flat chest because beauty standards or something, then essentially being told that the only people who would find you attractive are closet pedos. And then who knows, maybe they'll have to ban pictures of women with larger chests since some teens develop early.

Tangentially related, there is a thread going around right now on twitter about the legality of lolicon/shotacon art:

A lot of it has been debunked already, but it got me thinking about how so many of these fictional child defenders rely on the legal argument to justify their stance. Basing one's morality purely off of what is or isn't illegal seems a bit contradictory when in a lot of places things like basic rights for women or gay marriage or things like that are still illegal, yet suddenly countries are the haven of good morals because they say drawings get human rights.

It's also bizarre to me since they will bend over backwards to convince people it is actually illegal while still distributing it through public callout posts that are barely censored if censored at all.
This idiot clearly knows nothing about U.S. law then. In fact, there is actually a Supreme Court case regarding this.


Now back in the mid-1990's, the U.S. Government did made their first attempt in policing child pornography on the Internet and what they passed was the 'Child Pornography Prevention Act of 1996' which criminalized both real life child pornography and fictional child pornography as well.

So later on the 'Free Speech Coalition' (which is an advocacy group for the American pornography industry by the way) filed a lawsuit where they argued that this law was far too overreaching with its definition of child pornography and violated the First Amendment then.

The U.S. Government at the time did tried to argue that online predators can use 'simulated child pornography' to groom and seduce children online but the Free Speech Coalition then argued that this law can make a lot of films such as 'William Shakespeare's Romeo + Juliet', 'Traffic' and 'American Beauty' to become illegal if a federal prosecutor were to go after the studios that made these films then.

The Supreme Court then sided with the Free Speech Coalition and then they ruled that 'simulated' or 'fictional child pornography' is protected speech and the 'Child Pornography Prevention Act of 1996' was struck down as unconstitutional by then.

So yeah, the 'First Amendment of the United States Constitution' is the best thing ever then.
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Back on the topic of Australia, apparently even photographs of adult women with a-cups are banned in fear of it "encouraging pedophilia."

This is the type of shit this tardery leads to.
You know, if you actually wanted to convince anyone of your case, rather than circle-jerk with fellow lolicon (WHICH IS DEFINITELY NOT CARTOON CHILD PORN) enthusiasts, you would link the 'Register' article that is the 'source' for that shitty old Wikipedia article (that claim is no longer made in the live Wikipedia article because it's not even remotely supported).

That would make it evident that the people making this claim that 'itty bitty titties are banned' are not legal experts or commentators on censorship, but literal prostitutes
According to Fiona Patten, Convenor of the Australian Sex Party: "We are starting to see depictions of women in their late 20s being banned because they have an A cup size.

There are, in fact, actual sources where you can learn what material is banned in Australia, and why. NSFW.
Publications classified RC cannot be sold or displayed in Australia. During the reporting period, of the total of 180 publications classified, five publications were classified RC .

Hustler Barely Legal Volume 15 Number 11 July 2008 was classified RC as it contained content which constituted an offensive fantasy.
So there you are. I assume you support the consumption of incest-themed pornography of this nature by children as well? It's as much 'free speech' as any other porn, after all.
 
So yeah, the 'First Amendment of the United States Constitution' is the best thing ever then.
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

So there you are. I assume you support the consumption of incest-themed pornography of this nature by children as well? It's as much 'free speech' as any other porn, after all.
Since when is Hustler a children's magazine?

Furthermore, who's saying anything here about letting kids have access to porn? We're talking about idiots going after adults consuming fictional media.
 
The U.S. Government at the time did tried to argue that online predators can use 'simulated child pornography' to groom and seduce children online but the Free Speech Coalition argued that this law can make a lot of films such as 'William Shakespeare's Romeo + Juliet', 'Traffic' and 'American Beauty' to then become illegal if a federal prosecutor were to go after the studios that made these films then.

The Supreme Court then sided with the Free Speech Coalition and then they ruled that 'simulated' or 'fictional child pornography' is protected speech and the 'Child Pornography Prevention Act of 1996' was struck down as unconstitutional by then.
This lawsuit was unironically about "schoolgirl" and "incest" porn, because it can be construed as representing potentially underaged characters played by adult actors.
 
This lawsuit was unironically about "schoolgirl" and "incest" porn, because it can be construed as representing potentially underaged characters played by adult actors.
The 'Child Pornography Prevention Act of 1996' also covered images and film of any kind on the Internet as well. The biggest problem is that it never was that specific whether said content involved real children or not. Because of that, this was one of the reasons why it was ruled as unconstitutional then.
You know, if you actually wanted to convince anyone of your case, rather than circle-jerk with fellow lolicon (WHICH IS DEFINITELY NOT CARTOON CHILD PORN) enthusiasts, you would link the 'Register' article that is the 'source' for that shitty old Wikipedia article (that claim is no longer made in the live Wikipedia article because it's not even remotely supported).

That would make it evident that the people making this claim that 'itty bitty titties are banned' are not legal experts or commentators on censorship, but literal prostitutes


There are, in fact, actual sources where you can learn what material is banned in Australia, and why. NSFW.

So there you are. I assume you support the consumption of incest-themed pornography of this nature by children as well? It's as much 'free speech' as any other porn, after all.
So wait, are you actually defending the Australian Classification Board? The same classification board that also banned 'Postal 2' in Australia? Because in that video game you get to play as a mass shooter from Arizona with a dark sense of humor and also the rest of the world can still buy this video game and play it as freely as they want then.

The 'Australian Classification Board' is basically Australia's very own version of the 'Ministry of Truth' from George Orwell's '1984' and it's run by a bunch of out of touch boomers from the Australian government that actually think Bugs Bunny holding a gun will corrupt the youth by the way.

At this point, anyone that defends government sponsored censorship of fictional media deserves to be ridiculed and laughed at.
 
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The 'Child Pornography Prevention Act of 1996' also covered images and film of any kind on the Internet as well. The biggest problem is that it never was that specific whether said content involved real children or not. Because of that, this was one of the reasons why it was ruled as unconstitutional then.
If they made the wording clear about it just being cartoons or some other thing that didn't directly impact two high-sales video genres, the porn lobby would probably have just let it slide. They're scummy as fuck and they'll deep-six anything that threatens their profit margin, but that has often led to landmark rulings or good consumer choices (like royalty-free VHS winning over Betamax).
 
If they made the wording clear about it just being cartoons or some other thing that didn't directly impact two high-sales video genres, the porn lobby would probably have just let it slide. They're scummy as fuck but they'll deep-six anything that threatens their profit margin.
It could also be said with just about every other industry that is out there. Besides, since anime and manga is big in the United States these days I'm sure that they'll defend their own industries if the government also threatens them.

Also, contrary to popular belief, the Japanese didn't really invented cartoon child pornography first, the Americans actually did and a lot of stuff from the 1970's comes to mind with films such as the film 'Once Upon a Girl' which you can still legally buy and watch by the way.
 
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The same could also be said with just about every other industry out there. Besides, since anime and manga is big in the United States these days I'm sure that they'll defend their own industries if the government also threatens them.
I'm not entirely sure on the specifics, but some states already prohibit the purchase of drawn images of children. I believe California is one, which has led to Patreon removing people from their platform if they are found to have drawn it as a part of their business.
 
Going by their logic, all furry porn should be banned, cub or not, because even though its fictional its still getting off to animals.
And on most days I wholeheartedly agree with them.

I'm not entirely sure on the specifics, but some states already prohibit the purchase of drawn images of children. I believe California is one, which has led to Patreon removing people from their platform if they are found to have drawn it as a part of their business.
Wait, is it drawn images of children at all, or specifically pornographic drawn images of children? Stupid question, but important to make clear regardless.
 
Wait, is it drawn images of children at all, or specifically pornographic drawn images of children? Stupid question, but important to make clear regardless.
Oh, yeah pornographic ones. I sort of thought the context was implied.
 
I'm not entirely sure on the specifics, but some states already prohibit the purchase of drawn images of children. I believe California is one, which has led to Patreon removing people from their platform if they are found to have drawn it as a part of their business.
Well state laws vary and some are just dumb. Also, California once tried to ban Mature rated games such as 'Call of Duty' from being sold to minors only and then the Supreme Court struck that down as unconstitutional as well over free speech issues.

Of course, at least the United States have a federal court system that exists to always put these dumb politicians in their place every time that they try do this type of dumb crap anyway.

In this day and age, younger people don't share the same views as their boomer counterparts so even someday these state laws will be gone later on.
 
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Oh, yeah pornographic ones. I sort of thought the context was implied.
I thought so, but I put no insanity past California's legislature so I had to make sure.

May I suggest that if people want to discuss "Why lolicon (WHICH IS DEFINATELY NOT CARTOON CHILD PORN AND LIKING IT DOESN'T SUGGEST YOU'RE A DISGUSTING FREAK) is cool and fun" they might consider doing it in 'Deep Thoughts'.
Keep projecting this hard and I'm sure you'll soon be offered a job as the screen in a drive thru.
 
May I suggest that if people want to discuss "Why lolicon (WHICH IS DEFINATELY NOT CARTOON CHILD PORN AND LIKING IT DOESN'T SUGGEST YOU'RE A DISGUSTING FREAK) is cool and fun" they might consider doing it in 'Deep Thoughts'.
Well I'll consider lolicon and shotacon content the worst things ever since Adolf Hitler the moment the Roman Catholic Church, Jehovah's Witnesses, and much of the Western entertainment industry and Hollywood are held accountable and Middle Eastern countries finally ban child marriage then.
 
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Is that about California actually legit though? I don't know the laws and as we can see from recent posting, people love nothing more than talking out of their ass.

May I suggest that if people want to discuss "Why lolicon (WHICH IS DEFINATELY NOT CARTOON CHILD PORN AND LIKING IT DOESN'T SUGGEST YOU'RE A DISGUSTING FREAK) is cool and fun" they might consider doing it in 'Deep Thoughts'.

Aren't you that muslim guy? Shouldn't you be fucking your child wife somewhere?
 
Well state laws vary and some are just dumb. Also, California once tried to ban Mature rated games such as 'Call of Duty' from being sold to minors only for the Supreme Court to strike that down as unconstitutional as well over free speech issues.

Of course, at least the United States have a federal court system that exists to put these dumb politicians in their place every time try do this type of dumb crap anyway.

In this day and age, younger people don't share the same views as their boomer counterparts so even someday these state laws will be gone later on.
My point is more that it's already fucking people over, but so far nobody has had the power to do anything to Patreon or other payment processors (except Owen Benjamin fans lmao). Only when it affects someone with clout will there actually be legal resolution to the situation, whatever it is.
 
My point is more that it's already fucking people over, but so far nobody has had the power to do anything to Patreon or other payment processors (except Owen Benjamin fans lmao). Only when it affects someone with clout will there actually be legal resolution to the situation, whatever it is.
Well to be honest, since the coronavirus pandemic is screwing up everything I hope even the big tech companies implode hard at this point.
Is that about California actually legit though? I don't know the laws.



Aren't you that muslim guy? Shouldn't you be fucking your child wife somewhere?
Well a reminder that in the Quran, Muhammad married and banged a six year old girl (Aisha) by the way.

So should a religious holy book be considered child pornography then? A lot of people on the Internet sure lack self-awareness at this point.
 
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