2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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Make sure to use that Trump campaign war chest to get the debates to happen
The Dems are gonna twist themselves into knots trying to simultaneously argue that:
- Kamala will destroy Pence in their debate and will his wife even allow him to be in the same room as a woman.
- Biden shouldn't bother debating Trump and even if they do, it should be digital.
 
The Dems are gonna twist themselves into knots trying to simultaneously argue that:
- Kamala will destroy Pence in their debate and will his wife even allow him to be in the same room as a woman.
- Biden shouldn't bother debating Trump and even if they do, it should be digital.
Pence was on with Hannity tonight. Seems he is happy to debate Kamala. Smart move by Hannity to bring Pence on the day after.
 
I see, I didn't watch the debates where Tulsi ripped into her, I didn't really care much at that point.

I'll certainly have to watch the debates tho.
 
Pence was on with Hannity tonight. Seems he is happy to debate Kamala. Smart move by Hannity to bring Pence on the day after.
I would be too. As we all saw in the debates, Kamala has no defense, only offense. As a prosecutor she could just attack. In the Kavanaugh hearing she could just attack. In the Barr hearing she could just attack. But in debates your opponent gets to throw punches too. And Pence can bob and weave better than anyone Kamala went up against in the primaries. She may have been a successful prosecutor but she would have been an awful defense attorney.

You said smart move by Hannity to bring Pence on. You're assuming there. It could have very well been Pence and the Trump campaign getting aggressive and choosing to go on the offensive in the media.
 
Hammer the point home about how she mistreated poor blacks as a prosecutor and maybe even invoke the fact her ancestors were slave owners. Call her out on her hypocrisy.

If you just go with the generic "Democrats are the real racists" spiel, it will fail. But if you go after Kamala Harris specifically and cite her record, and make sure that it's played in major campaign ads and gets a lot of airtime. Make sure to use that Trump campaign war chest to get the debates to happen
bruh, that whole thing about going after her for how she treated Afro-Americans is exactly "demoncrats are the real racists."
We know that Kamala "horrible" Harris HATES white people and everything conservative. She will go to ruthless ends in order to see that the republicans are destroyed. horrible harris is also corrupt.

The above paragraph should be the angle of the republicans. Don't get me wrong, her record matters, but attacking her on her beliefs is way more viable, and some of the republican propaganda doesn't even have to be true to be effective.

edit: what I forgot to mention is that ~10% of white people stopped supporting Trump over his 3 years in office. Republican propaganda should be focused on getting that 10% back rather than getting 2% of black voters or even discouraging progressives from voting for Biden
 
Can anyone summarize what's currently going on with the USPS? My mom's a postmaster and completely losing her shit about the PMG's changes. She's thoroughly convinced that if Trump wins, she'll lose her job.

Ain't it constitutionally mandated, or you think privatized mail is on the horizon?
the USPS could easily be saved by switching to weekly mail and having people opt-in for daily or monthly. i dont know a single person under 40 that needs mail more than once a month. outside of the holiday season. the usps could stop hiring and cut down on work by at minimum 80%
 
Can anyone summarize what's currently going on with the USPS? My mom's a postmaster and completely losing her shit about the PMG's changes. She's thoroughly convinced that if Trump wins, she'll lose her job.

Ain't it constitutionally mandated, or you think privatized mail is on the horizon?
USPS is constitutionally mandated, however what is going on is that it is a giant bureaucratic sinkhole of money and needs to be updated for the 21st century.
 
USPS is constitutionally mandated, however what is going on is that it is a giant bureaucratic sinkhole of money and needs to be updated for the 21st century.

Wasn't one of the reasons it's having issues is some numbnuts mandated in the past few decades that the USPS must pre-fill all retirement funds for the next 50 years or something stupid like that? Something no business in the world is required to do, and that created a huge financial burden on them?
 
bruh, that whole thing about going after her for how she treated Afro-Americans is exactly "demoncrats are the real racists."
We know that Kamala "horrible" Harris HATES white people and everything conservative. She will go to ruthless ends in order to see that the republicans are destroyed. horrible harris is also corrupt.

The above paragraph should be the angle of the republicans. Don't get me wrong, her record matters, but attacking her on her beliefs is way more viable, and some of the republican propaganda doesn't even have to be true to be effective.

edit: what I forgot to mention is that ~10% of white people stopped supporting Trump over his 3 years in office. Republican propaganda should be focused on getting that 10% back rather than getting 2% of black voters or even discouraging progressives from voting for Biden
The two statements are not mutually exclusive if specifically targeted towards specific voter groups- the concept that Kamala will attempt to destroy the whites/Republicans wouldn't work against Leftists and Liberals (many would actually be delighted) but works better if specifically aimed at towards the Republican voterbase.

Simultaneously, the concept of Kamala being cut out of the same mass incarceration-prison industry cloth as Biden wouldn't bother moderates all that much, but can be aimed directly at blacks and progressives to depress their enthusiasm for a Biden-Harris ticket.
 
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I would be too. As we all saw in the debates, Kamala has no defense, only offense. As a prosecutor she could just attack. In the Kavanaugh hearing she could just attack. In the Barr hearing she could just attack. But in debates your opponent gets to throw punches too. And Pence can bob and weave better than anyone Kamala went up against in the primaries. She may have been a successful prosecutor but she would have been an awful defense attorney.

You said smart move by Hannity to bring Pence on. You're assuming there. It could have very well been Pence and the Trump campaign getting aggressive and choosing to go on the offensive in the media.
Genuine question is Pence actually competent? He's been so low profile so far that I know almost nothing about his abilities
 
Genuine question is Pence actually competent? He's been so low profile so far that I know almost nothing about his abilities

I think he's competent despite the fact he's a relic of the "fundies and neocons" era of the GOP, and I think part of why he keeps a low profile is because he's smart enough not to get into unneeded spats over a fairly powerless office.

I do think he'd be able to wipe the floor with Kamala Harris in a debate if he's given a briefing to go after the weak spots of Kamala that are more likely to be brought up in a debate. This is all in the public knowledge, so Pence brushing up on it just before the debate begins isn't cheating.

Ironically enough, I think the DNC and their MSM comrades are more likely to allow a debate between Kamala and Pence than one between Biden and Trump. Biden is in severe decline in terms of his cognitive abilities, while Kamala is not.

Also, I do think the Dems would underestimate Pence in a debate and think they'd be able to win easily against him since he is a Religious Right throwback and they know how to beat that kind of opponent. But Pence seems to be well aware of the myriad issues with Kamala Harris that can more or less sink voter turnout from progressives, leftists, and blacks and as long as he's smart enough to not fall for the inevitable media Kafka traps and start raving on about Biblical morality or the gays, he'll wipe the floor with Kamala.

Before anyone starts bitching, I know the LGBT community won't turn up en masse for Trump, but as long as Pence doesn't go full fundie at any debates or rallies, I think the LGB will be far more likely to just stay home or maybe vote third-party.

Inner-city blacks are notoriously homophobic even today (although @Evo brings up a good point that it's not as intense as it was in the 80's and 90's) and this is still very intense within the black supremacist circles. BLM are black supremacist Marxists and they only collaborate with the "queer" community as an alliance of convenience since they have a common enemy right now and because Antifa has a lot of troons and "non-binaries" in their ranks, as well as a smaller but noticeable component of radical feminist lesbians as well.

The T part of the LGBT community are all-in on Antifa, BLM, and communism but there is an increasing sense of resentment among the bulk of the LGB towards the T, partly because of freaks like Jonathan Yaniv and partly because the Woke Left is basically making an entire generation of young people view LGB's as guilty by association with the T and their insanity.

Pence can wipe the floor with Kamala, and the only thing I'd worry about is him accidentally being led into a Kafka trap via the debate moderators or Kamala invoking his religious beliefs to try and get him to say something way too fundie.
 
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They're marking Republican ballots so they know which ones to lose.

They aren't even trying to hide the voter fraud anymore.
 
I think he's competent despite the fact he's a relic of the "fundies and neocons" era of the GOP, and I think part of why he keeps a low profile is because he's smart enough not to get into unneeded spats over a fairly powerless office.

I do think he'd be able to wipe the floor with Kamala Harris in a debate if he's given a briefing to go after the weak spots of Kamala that are more likely to be brought up in a debate. This is all in the public knowledge, so Pence brushing up on it just before the debate begins isn't cheating.

Ironically enough, I think the DNC and their MSM comrades are more likely to allow a debate between Kamala and Pence than one between Biden and Trump. Biden is in severe decline in terms of his cognitive abilities, while Kamala is not.

Also, I do think the Dems would underestimate Pence in a debate and think they'd be able to win easily against him since he is a Religious Right throwback and they know how to beat that kind of opponent. But Pence seems to be well aware of the myriad issues with Kamala Harris that can more or less sink voter turnout from progressives, leftists, and blacks and as long as he's smart enough to not fall for the inevitable media Kafka traps and start raving on about Biblical morality or the gays, he'll wipe the floor with Kamala.

Before anyone starts bitching, I know the LGBT community won't turn up en masse for Trump, but as long as Pence doesn't go full fundie at any debates or rallies, I think the LGB will be far more likely to just stay home or maybe vote third-party.

Inner-city blacks are notoriously homophobic even today (although @Evo brings up a good point that it's not as intense as it was in the 80's and 90's) and this is still very intense within the black supremacist circles. BLM are black supremacist Marxists and they only collaborate with the "queer" community as an alliance of convenience since they have a common enemy right now and because Antifa has a lot of troons and "non-binaries" in their ranks, as well as a smaller but noticeable component of radical feminist lesbians as well.

The T part of the LGBT community are all-in on Antifa, BLM, and communism but there is an increasing sense of resentment among the bulk of the LGB towards the T, partly because of freaks like Jonathan Yaniv and partly because the Woke Left is basically making an entire generation of young people view LGB's as guilty by association with the T and their insanity.

Pence can wipe the floor with Kamala, and the only thing I'd worry about is him accidentally being led into a Kafka trap via the debate moderators or Kamala invoking his religious beliefs to try and get him to say something way too fundie.
You know, that has me thinking, maybe we'd actually rather see the debate between Pence vs. Harris than Trump vs. Biden.

With a hypothetical Trump vs. Biden debate, we all know Trump will wipe the floor with him no matter what. If by some miracle the MSM allows it, I think people are overestimating the damage it would do to Biden's campaign. The media would be ready to kiss his feeble rear until the cow comes home by selectively choosing clips that hurts Trump the most (like what happens all the fucking time). Hell, they might even try to claim that Trump's mean rhetoric is "elderly abuse", which would be a definition term of the phrase "throw rock at a glass ceiling". Biden might lose a bit of his lead, but he'll still have a shot at winning the election.

A Pence vs. Harris debate is riskier, but has larger rewards for either side. For one, Harris is the real candidate, not Biden, so don't be surprised if the media keeps her at front and center. A lot of people outside the world's worst website are severely underestimating how much influence Harris will have on Biden's presidency, let alone the possibility she will take office before Biden's term ends. Pence, therefore, will have to prepare for a debate as if he was running for president because we know Harris will do that too.

This debate - barring a super nasty October surprise - would decide the outcome of the election. If Harris successfully baits Pence into Kafka tactics and shore up his Religious Right side, she Biden wins the presidency and she will eventually follow. On the other hand, if Pence avoids this trap and slams Harris on her records and beliefs, Trump will win. Tearing Harris down for good would then set Pence up for a potential presidential run in 2024. Previously, I thought this would not be the case, but if he beats Harris at her own game, Trump might actually build Pence up to be his successor rather than someone like Donald Trump Jr., Ted Cruz, or Kanye West.
 
Genuine question is Pence actually competent? He's been so low profile so far that I know almost nothing about his abilities

I've heard Pence on the radio often; mostly with Rush lately, and the man is sharp as a tack. He seems fired up, and well able to handle heavy lifting in the debates.
 
I've heard Pence on the radio often; mostly with Rush lately, and the man is sharp as a tack. He seems fired up, and well able to handle heavy lifting in the debates.
Rush Limbaugh is also a Religious Right Christian to my understanding, so of course he would feel right at home. The real question is how does he fair when he has to face opposition. If he keeps going on about how America needs to turn back to God to an unfavorable press, he's not going to last long in a debate, even with someone as odious as a saltwater nigger.
 
So from what I understand, the payroll taxes pay into Medicare, Social Security, and federal income, right?

If so, sounds pretty good on paper. Of course, someone who actually knows about economics should give their two cents.
I took Economics 101 in college literally so I am a professional well read scholar to answer this question. /sneed

Means a higher paycheck for people who have low wages or part time workers. Also means a higher paycheck for people who are collecting Social Security and also working.

However means less money for the Social Security program though.
 
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