Age 35 Isn’t a Fertility Cliff. Why Do We Think It Is? - Millennial Women Meet The Wall



Ask a woman of reproductive age when her fertility becomes an issue, and she will likely answer: 35. As an OB-GYN in private practice, I see patients who are, for the most part, either pregnant or in some orbit thereof—trying to get pregnant, having trouble getting pregnant, actively trying to prevent pregnancy—and they seem to think there is a threshold midway through one’s 30s that matters very, very much. This may partially result from the fact that women on average are having their first child later in life, so they’re more aware of fertility declining with age. And now, thanks to COVID-19, single and partnered women alike are grappling with delay and uncertainty about whatever timelines they previously held.


Being 35 or older is labeled by the medical community as “advanced maternal age.” In diagnosis code speak, these patients are “elderly,” or in some parts of the world, “geriatric.” In addition to being offensive to most, these terms—so jarringly at odds with what is otherwise considered a young age—instill a sense that one’s reproductive identity is predominantly negative as soon as one reaches age 35. But the number 35 itself, not to mention the conclusions we draw from it, has spun out of our collective control.


Where exactly did the focus on 35 come from? The number was derived decades ago, during a very different reproductive era. Birth control options were limited. Most first pregnancies occurred in women’s 20s. In vitro fertilization was in its infancy.


Most people assume we use age 35 because studies show that things get worse for women at that point. Indeed, early population studies do demonstrate that certain risks, namely the risks of infertility, miscarriage, and chromosomal abnormalities, increase more significantly at age 35. (To be clear, these risks are age-dependent and increase steadily with age generally, but at some point their rate of increase increases, and that inflection point has been pinpointed by some studies at age 35.)


The bigger problem is that the real origin of the number 35 comes from a very specific—and essentially outdated—line of clinical reasoning.

But using age 35 in this way is not as clear cut as it seems. One problem is that it’s an incredibly subjective way of defining what should be objective. The age-related risks of these issues are derived from several large studies, and to look at the tables or graphs of the reported risks is a bit like being administered a Rorschach test: Some will see worrisome numbers starting at age 35, some at 40, some maybe even at younger ages. Moreover, comparing these studies is complicated by their design. For example, when looking at studies regarding Down syndrome risk, some report risk as a function of all live births, while others report it based on amniocentesis results; the amnio risk will appear higher, since some subset of the abnormal pregnancies will miscarry or be electively terminated before the end of the pregnancy could be reached. Put more simply, if you were to ask a dozen professionals to interpret the data and pick one age cutoff whereby to distinguish low-risk from high-risk women, you may very well get a dozen different answers.


The bigger problem is that the real origin of the number 35 comes from a very specific—and essentially outdated—line of clinical reasoning. It was borne out of the desire to counsel women clearly on their options regarding testing for aneuploidy (an abnormal number of chromosomes in the fetus). In the mid-’70s, the only option for genetic testing during a pregnancy was amniocentesis, an invasive procedure in which a needle is placed through the mother’s abdomen in order to sample amniotic fluid containing shed fetal skin cells. Doctors struggled with how to tell women whether it was worth it to have one, whether the benefit outweighed the risk. In the case of an amnio, the benefit is knowledge in advance of birth, but since it is an invasive procedure, there is a risk of losing the pregnancy as a result of the amnio. Taking into account the known procedure-related risk rate at the time (1 in 200 chance of miscarriage) and the likelihood of a genetic abnormality (specifically Down syndrome) based on a woman’s age, the numbers seemed to come out in favor of an amnio—that is, the likelihood of Down syndrome was higher than the risk of procedure-related pregnancy loss—around age 35.


But as I said, even this calculation is outdated. With increased experience since those foundational studies, the risks of having an amniocentesis are lower, which calls into question that calculation; if you were to rerun that risk-benefit calculation by comparing today’s quoted risk (around 1 in 500) to the age-related risk of Down syndrome, we would define advanced maternal age as 32.5 years—younger than before. Additionally, the high detection rate of noninvasive screening methods, particularly cell-free DNA testing, means women are more commonly seeking amnio (or a related earlier procedure, chorionic villus sampling) as a follow-up to an abnormal screening test, further complicating the effort to define advanced maternal age based on the risk of any testing options. Finally, different patients perceive risk, benefit, and necessity in different ways, which means some women that the medical community labels “low-risk” would pursue an amnio, while some “high-risk” women would not.


For all the above reasons, the definition of age 35 has gone from arbitrary and rigid in its beginning to essentially obsolete. Yet, in the interim, it has become codified, largely out of convenience, as being reflective of the changing risk of all reproductive issues, not simply the chance of Down syndrome. Knowing what we know now, it would be best if we could go back in time and reframe the conversation, hopefully doing away with a single age cutoff that drives our perception of reproductive risk. But as things stand, age 35 has stuck in our minds, mostly for the worse.


The 35-year-old threshold is not only known by patients, it is embraced by doctors as a tool that guides the care of their patients. It’s used bimodally: If you’re under 35, you’re fine; if you’re 35 or older, you have a new host of problems. This interpretation treats the issue at hand as what is known as a “threshold effect.” Cross the threshold of age 35, it implies, and the intrinsic nature of a woman’s body has changed; she falls off a cliff from one category into another. (Indeed, many of my patients speak of crossing age 35 as exactly this kind of fall, with their fertility “plummeting” suddenly.) As I’ve already stated, though, the age-related concerns are gradual and exist along a continuum. Even if the rate of those risks accelerates at a certain point, it’s still not a quantum leap from one risk category to another.


The dread of age 35 is so pervasive that its effect bleeds backward in time to women in their early 30s—and yes, sometimes even in their late 20s.

This issue comes up frequently in science and medicine. In order to categorize things that fall along a continuum, things that nature itself doesn’t necessarily distinguish as being separable into discrete groups, we have to create cutoffs. Those work very well when comparing large groups of patients, because that’s what the studies were designed to do, but to apply those to individual patients is more difficult. To a degree, they can be useful. For example, when we are operating far from those cutoffs—counseling a 25-year-old versus a 45-year-old—the conclusions to draw from that cutoff are more applicable. But operate close to it—counseling a 34-year-old trying to imagine her future 36-year-old self—and the distinction is so subtle as to be almost superfluous.


Still, age-related fertility decline is one of the main topics of conversation I have with my patients. The dread of age 35 is so pervasive that its effect bleeds backward in time, with women in their early 30s—and yes, sometimes even in their late 20s—already feeling as if they are behind in the race against their “biological clock.” Doctors have an obligation to put this to an end. While it is true that there exists a relative decline in fertility over time, the truth is that, in absolute terms, women 35 and over are still very likely to conceive without difficulty, and at about the same rate as women under 35. Although strong data on this subject are hard to come by, because studies like this are hard to design and execute for numerous reasons, one of the largest studies found that 78 percent of women aged 35 to 40 will conceive within a year, compared with 84 percent of women aged 20 to 34. That is a small difference, especially compared with how one’s fertility decline is so commonly perceived. Other studies are similarly reassuring. And while there are exceptions to every rule—there are some women who will experience difficulty conceiving at an earlier age than otherwise expected—it’s important to emphasize that the rule is less bleak than most people think. The message doctors should be giving their patients is: You are more likely than not to get pregnant of your own efforts, and with about the same success as when you were younger.


A similar failure of threshold effect thinking is how obstetricians treat pregnant patients of “advanced maternal age.” In many settings, patients 35 and older are automatically consigned to extra testing and treatment: low-dose aspirin to prevent preeclampsia, extra ultrasounds, extra testing of their baby’s well-being as they approach their due date. This approach treats age 35 as more different from age 34 than age 40 is from 35. Aside from being simplistic, this monolithic thinking creates stress and a stigma—it’s almost automatic that my patients age 35 and above ask if their age makes them “high-risk”—unnecessary for women to feel. It also creates a very real risk of changing the course of a pregnancy based on the results of extra tests—what is known as a “care cascade,” a domino effect of each test prompting another new test or treatment—in ways that are not always necessary and can sometimes be harmful. Consider, for example, a patient who has an early 16-week fetal anatomy ultrasound (in addition to the standard 20-week one). If that ultrasound shows a possible abnormality, it could really be something abnormal, or it could be an artifact of doing the scan so early and would clear up by the time of the 20-week scan. But, in the interim, in order to rule out any genetic abnormalities, the patient might be offered an amniocentesis, which runs the risk of causing a miscarriage. These extra risks are why, instead of reflexive thinking based on age, obstetricians should be thinking about all of the factors that influence the health of a patient’s pregnancy and choosing what is right for their patient.


I have three suggestions of how to combat this phenomenon. First, do no harm. We physicians often forget about psychological harm. Thanks to the messaging out in the world—from friends and family, the media, and, yes, the medical community—women are more likely to approach the issues associated with being over age 35 with trepidation rather than confidence. Recognizing that an increasing proportion of women will be approaching or have reached age 35 when they start trying to conceive for the first time—by one measure, this proportion has increased 23 percent since the year 2000—we should be trying to normalize what up until now had been considered a marginal experience. Especially now, in circumstances as extreme and uncontrollable as the COVID-19 epidemic—and all the social, romantic, and reproductive disruptions it entails—we should be pushing back on what creates undue stress for our patients. We should be focusing more thoughtfully on which parts of the 35-year cutoff matter, and how much so, while emphasizing the honest good news about age-related reproductive issues.

Second, we should be more flexible in our thinking. While I’m not one for rebranding just for appearance’s sake, the term “advancing reproductive age” is probably more useful than “advanced maternal age,” because it reminds us that this is a continuum, not a threshold. When my patient who is 34 and healthy and had an uncomplicated first pregnancy worries about being over 35 with her second pregnancy, I reassure her that changes are likely to be minimal and that the most important thing is the confidence she should have based on her first pregnancy.


Third, we must treat the patient, not a number. The number is meant for populations, and even at that, we should not be monolithic in our decisions of how we provide care. Not all 33-year-old women wondering about their fertility prospects are the same. Neither are all 38-year-old women on their first pregnancy. Patients deserve—and appreciate—individualized care. Such care will treat age as one of many factors that matter, but by no means the only, or most important, one.
 
I've met lots of women that have had healthy, normal kids in their late 30's. Sometimes, people are able to dodge autism based on good genetics alone. That said, I'd always suggest caution and it definitely doesn't work that way for everyone, especially if you're running out of viable eggs.
It's not like those healthy kids are an exception or anything, the vast majority of babies born to 35+ mothers are perfectly healthy. The risk of birth defects does go up with age (especially since the father is usually older as well) and it's much harder to conceive in the first place, but it's perfectly possible to get pregnant with a healthy child at that age. But if you want kids and haven't started the process by your late 30's... hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.
 
I've met lots of women that have had healthy, normal kids in their late 30's. Sometimes, people are able to dodge autism based on good genetics alone. That said, I'd always suggest caution and it definitely doesn't work that way for everyone, especially if you're running out of viable eggs.

See, I question the statement. Not the legitimacy, but the plurality of it. You say you've met lots of "women" who have had healthy and normal "kids" in their late 30s. Does that mean that each of the "kids" was assigned to one "woman"?

I'm guessing so, and that's the real crux of this issue. The later a woman starts having kids, the fewer and fewer kids she will have. That's why education and homosexuality was pushed all around the Western world to begin with, because it was obvious that it would curb the population dramatically. A woman having her first kid later in life doesn't mean 100% of the time that she's going to pop out a retard (though I do think it makes them more likely to beat the kid) but it almost certainly means she's not having a second or third. And when you have to have at least two kids to get most experiences of a parent (a daughter and a son), it's a pretty sad and depressing idea to see all these women snorting copium as they try to justify their depressing careers, mountains of student debt, and lesbian experimentation in college.
 
It's not like those healthy kids are an exception or anything, the vast majority of babies born to 35+ mothers are perfectly healthy. The risk of birth defects does go up with age (especially since the father is usually older as well) and it's much harder to get conceive in the first place, but it's perfectly possible to get pregnant with a healthy child at that age. But if you want kids and haven't started the process by your late 30's... hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.

My younger sibling was born when my mom was 38. They're even healthier and better put together genetically than I am. It's very possible to have this outcome so long as you're A.) still fertile, B.) have a solid early monitoring plan, C.) Have enough balls to make a decision if they detect freaky shit early on. It's a gamble but the desire to have children is strong and some people are going to fight for it no matter what, even if they've been dealt an unlucky hand and aren't ready until much later on. I personally wouldn't try to have kids that late in the game, but I've seen it work before, and with first-time mothers as well.

Obviously I don't wish for an increase in more severely autistic individuals. But not everything is bleak and set in stone. You just gotta be really careful and mindful about what you're doing.
 
The older the person is, the higher the risk of a gamete that non-disjunction affects fertilises an egg or is fertilised by a sperm. This is because as the body ages it wears down the process that prevents it. Simple as.
thats no0t realy true. you dont see increased rates of autism in the 5th or 6th or more child of guys with alot of children. its mostly soy boys in their late 30s getting their first kid.

there are plenty of woman popping out children well into their 40s without problems.
we dont know if dead egger arent dead eggers from the beginning...
 
Alright I am legitimately annoyed about how every fucking article about some kind of medical advancement or reclassification is not longer written without an insane amount of bitching.
It's no longer: "Hey everybody! I know you have some preconceptions about this subject, but new data suggests it is incorrect. Here is that data."

Now its: "WAHH WAH WAAAAH. How could people be so misinformed about this? How could such dummy dum dums spout off about how wrong they are? Dont they know how evil they are for saying so? WAHH WAHH WAHH. I hope this data reaches you a lesson, you jerks!"

Here I'll sum up this whole piece in one sentence:

Age 35 is often considered to be a universal drop off point in a womans fertility, actual data shows this to be far more circumstantial.

There. Done.
What is with all the medical journos becoming so whiny in particular? It's not isolated to female doctors either as people pointed out, this was written by a dude. I mean, how many times are they going to hammer the fact that generalizations arebt 100% accurate? They're not supposed to be, they're just general overviews.
 
If you are 35-40 years old PLEASE for the love of all that is dear DO NOT HAVE BABIES! Get a dog or something instead. I have personal reasons that this is the one hill I will die on every time the subject comes up. If it were up to me everyone would get sterilized on their 35th birthday, no excuses.

DO NOT HAVE BABIES AFTER AGE 40. It is a very bad idea.
 
There are other factors than just women's age that play a role in autism/mental retardation. Father's age, environmental factors, the mother's stress level, drug use/drinking, etc. These are all the stepping stones to what forms a child with defects. I think what people need most is education and resources, something that lots of idiotic older mothers don't get when jumping in to have kids. You can achieve the best results possible if you're able to plan and prepare accordingly, as well as keep yourself in the best condition possible. Of course, it doesn't always pan out for the best. But the more of a leg up you have on it, the better prepared you'll be if there's a bad outcome.
 
The older the person is, the higher the risk of a gamete that non-disjunction affects fertilises an egg or is fertilised by a sperm. This is because as the body ages it wears down the process that prevents it. Simple as.
What about superior Gen X telomeres, though?
 
There are other factors than just women's age that play a role in autism/mental retardation. Father's age, environmental factors, the mother's stress level,
Are we sure about that? i havent seen any studies that controlled for bad genes yet...
we just know that drugs harm kids and that realy high level of stress can cause early stillbirths.
Its the same for cancer, statictics say doing fun stuff is bad, but they dont control for bad genes so the statistics are worthless for normal people...
 
Because old parents tend to be tired parents which makes them worst at parenting because they don't have the interest or the energy to keep up with their much younger spawn.
Seriously. If you're going to have children at all, do it before you're 24. That way they can function by themselves by the time or before you're forty. Do you want to enjoy your younger years and be fucking exhausted when you're middle aged? All the time?

Having children is scary, very scary, but is infinitely easier to cope with when you're young.
 
How does that explain all the autistic kids and retards born when their parents were in their early 20s?
Drugs and bad genes.
The genetic damage from all the drugs those fucktard hippies did in the 60s didn’t necessarily have an immediate effect.

Also probably lead in the air from when gasoline was still leaded.
We’ve done plenty of things to fuck ourselves over.

Edit: also when X-rays were first discovered but before their harmful effects were understood, people bought X-ray machines and used them for entertainment purposes.

Hell, shoe stores used to have fluoroscope machines to help you see if your shoes fit right.

We’re a bunch off fucking idiots.
 
Assuming that you're still able to successfully have children after 35, I'd worry less about having a child so much as I'd worry about having a BOY, as boys are generally more susceptible to autism than girls. Even if the girl has it, it's usually much more muted and they could live a pretty normal, functional life with good parenting.
This is sort of bullshit. The only reason that 'boys are generally more susceptible' isn't because they actually are, it's because of the diagnostic criteria that previously saw only boys getting diagnosed.

You always have to remember that psychology is based on male diagnostic criteria, females were thought to only be 'emotional and hysterical', nothing they brought to the table about themselves were to be considered with serious thought.

There are many more females being diagnosed with ASD and ADHD than ever before, and if you think about it, when they start spouting the 'more kids on drugs than ever before', 'kids getting diagnosed has doubled', when 50% of the population is female, and besides the extreme cases were never diagnosed, it makes sense that 'suddenly' there is a upswing in diagnosis, now that female conditioning and diagnosis is actually taken seriously, and living with the impacts of these disorders is seen as detrimental to female lives.
 
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