Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[White Devil]

I am absolutely clueless on a good half of the stuff you guys are talking about (because I am a filthy casual compared to you all), but man if I'm not happy that you guys are enjoying yourselves and still enjoying and caring about Star Wars.

Why should Disney decide if I can or can't enjoy the fictional universe of a franchise I've known all my life? Fuck them and fuck their fanfiction.

 

[Creep3r]

Assuming these mythic rumors aren't a load of crap: Disney can make whatever apology movie they want...doesn't change the fact that I won't see it, the same way I didn't watch their last three garbage films.

If any of this is true, which I highly doubt, what can they possibly do with a Luke Skywalker movie now? It'll be hard for old fans to be invested in it since we know how he ends up in nu-canon, meanwhile nu-fans won't give a shit since they just want Reylo, Aphra, Ahsoka and Baby Yoda, and if they mark it as a separate canon, that will just reek of desperation, alienate nu-fans and may cause mix results among others. And even without that taken into consideration, what can the movie possibly about? Some original side adventure? Thrawn Trilogy adaptation? Or the founding of his stupid nu-academy? The first has some possible success, while the second (if not fucked up) could be seen as horribly desperate but also as "too late for that now" after completely abandoning the core roots of the franchise and its fans but could probably still prove to have some success, but the third (which seems like the most likely plot for such a film) just reeks of failure and we know how that turns out for Luke in the Kylo Ren comic, and aside from Emo Ren, his only other apprentices are horribly dull and unmemorable shits who amount to nothing and die at Emo Ren's hand (via choking them by "accident").

I am absolutely clueless on a good half of the stuff you guys are talking about (because I am a filthy casual compared to you all), but man if I'm not happy that you guys are enjoying yourselves and still enjoying and caring about Star Wars.

Insults everywhere, author/creator quotes being flung left and right to own one another for no reason, good old fashioned faction-sperging, video game comparisons and shitposting on a quantum warunian level... So yes, it's a very esoteric sort of joy going on right now all in one place that hasn't been seen since 2013 (or outside of a SWG fan server).

 

[ZMOT]

Not to attack any of you personally, but to me, RLM is two-faced in that they criticized the Prequels to hell and back for not being as good as the Original Trilogy which they elevated as a positive example, yet they also praised a film that shat all over the OT's lessons and the accomplishments of its heroes. The people who kept praising the Original Trilogy over the prequels didn't protest at the fact that EPVII made it about as meaningful as anime filler. It was then where I saw that RLM are fake fans of the Original Trilogy, since no real OT fan would accept a film that thoroughly destroys everything the OT heroes accomplished in place of shallowly recreating the scenario of the OT, except they took the good lessons and worldbuilding out and replaced it with SJW feminist pandering.

I wouldn't call them fake fans, they are trekkies (mentioned this already, might've been here or the RLM thread), so they always came at it from the "this is kiddie shit" angle if you wanna call it that, while also being a lot younger and everything that comes along with it. add to that they are sometimes a bit too far up their own ass, and you'll get the worst foundation for people taking everything they say as gospel and ultimate argument.

otoh I cut them some slack in that they have their own stuff they care about and can explain why (watch the STD/patrick re:views when they try to comprehend in horror what's happening, karmic retribution if you wanna go with that) and way back they were much smaller and probably didn't expect the plinkett reviews to blow up that much. fuck, even back then a lot of people thought it as autistic rambling about nerd shit similar to mauler now, just with more comedy bits to slap you in the face it's not meant to be entirely serious - yet here we are. if they would do the the plinkett reviews now (with or without the ST) they probably would look a lot different.

as for the reviews itself (from what I remember), they mostly criticize the craftmanship and writing of the PT, which let's be honest there's plenty to criticize. the ST doesn't necessarily have that problem, but glaring flaws in other aspects - which are way worse for people that are more invested in star wars. where the ST did a better job in making normies miss the overly shit parts with quips and effects, it completely bombed when it came to what made star wars star wars, and I don't think that's something they ever really cared about much. this is also the reason they like the OT, because they were good movies with good characters and good story and not much left to be contrarian about, but that's it. it's about the movies, not the universe. that's why jay simps for daisy ridley and would deny she's a mary sue even if she tried to bite his face off, and why rich thinks "there's nothing outside the OT" (which I always found particularly stupid considering he comes from comics and plays videogames, so at least he should be aware of how settings can have more than one story - and SW as a setting is ripe for that, as has been proven).

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I wouldn't call them fake fans, they are trekkies (mentioned this already, might've been here or the RLM thread), so they always came at it from the "this is kiddie shit" angle if you wanna call it that, while also being a lot younger and everything that comes along with it. add to that they are sometimes a bit too far up their own ass, and you'll get the worst foundation for people taking everything they say as gospel and ultimate argument.

otoh I cut them some slack in that they have their own stuff they care about and can explain why (watch the STD/patrick re:views when they try to comprehend in horror what's happening, karmic retribution if you wanna go with that) and way back they were much smaller and probably didn't expect the plinkett reviews to blow up that much. fuck, even back then a lot of people thought it as autistic rambling about nerd shit similar to mauler now, just with more comedy bits to slap you in the face it's not meant to be entirely serious - yet here we are. if they would do the the plinkett reviews now (with or without the ST) they probably would look a lot different.

as for the reviews itself (from what I remember), they mostly criticize the craftmanship and writing of the PT, which let's be honest there's plenty to criticize. the ST doesn't necessarily have that problem, but glaring flaws in other aspects - which are way worse for people that are more invested in star wars. where the ST did a better job in making normies miss the overly shit parts with quips and effects, it completely bombed when it came to what made star wars star wars, and I don't think that's something they ever really cared about much. this is also the reason they like the OT, because they were good movies with good characters and good story and not much left to be contrarian about, but that's it. it's about the movies, not the universe. that's why jay simps for daisy ridley and would deny she's a mary sue even if she tried to bite his face off, and why rich thinks "there's nothing outside the OT" (which I always found particularly stupid considering he comes from comics and plays videogames, so at least he should be aware of how settings can have more than one story - and SW as a setting is ripe for that, as has been proven).

They still are fake fans to me. RLM kept demonizing the Prequels in favor of the Original Trilogy, yet gave EPVII a slack despite the fact that it made the OT about as important as Naruto filler anime. The Prequels didn't destroy the Original Trilogy-in fact, people gained a new appreciation for it when two out of three Prequels weren't as satisfying as the OT was. EPVII basically told audiences that nothing in the OT mattered, not even character development or power progression. Nobody who likes the OT would want to see everything its heroes accomplished thrown down the drain while its lessons on the need for experience get thrown away in favor of Instant Jedi Just Add Feminism. Them whining about there's nothing outside of the OT rings hollow when they gave a pass to a movie that made it inconsequential. And now, people are beginning to see RLM in a negative light because they, along with many movie critics, got the ball rolling on over-criticizing Lucas and demonizing him to the point where his spirits were crushed and he sold to Disney out of spite, due to all the voices telling him that practically anyone can make Star Wars movies better than he can. Even though at worst, the Prequels are the equivalent of Michael Bay minus the tits and sex jokes, while the ST is something even worse. And now, the result of that is that the SW movie franchise is a joke, the toys don't even sell anymore, and the books, comics, and games are part of a new canon that doesn't even look half as coherent even when compared to all the retarded shit the EU did. So in retrospect, all these whiny critic types, RLM included, destroyed Star Wars as a profitable IP and as a series, the only thing good Disney has done is some bits of Rebels, maybe Rogue One, S7 of Clone Wars, and the Mandalorian. And the latter two were basically things that the people had to whine and bitch about just for them to get.

 

[Getting tard comed]

I was with you until you did the no true scotsman fallacy here to determine who is fan and who is not, and gave malice as a cause rather than ignorance in the form of only watching it once.

TFA is a film that gets worse the more you rewatch it or think about it, and it's clear they only watched it once much like they do with most Half in the Bag films. Rey for example only truly gets bad once you take her actions and being past the first third of the movie, since that part with her in the wastes was actually pretty well done IMO; it actually was nice to see some slow pacing at that point. Then she instantly knows how to fly machines with no explanation and can beat down trained Dark Jedi.

JarJar tries to prevent your brain from noticing that, but it will if you reflect on it. I had a similar set of realizations for example with Prometheus after watching it, which also rapes the shit out of a franchise I love.

I wouldn't call them fake fans, they are trekkies (mentioned this already, might've been here or the RLM thread), so they always came at it from the "this is kiddie shit" angle if you wanna call it that, while also being a lot younger and everything that comes along with it. add to that they are sometimes a bit too far up their own ass, and you'll get the worst foundation for people taking everything they say as gospel and ultimate argument.

otoh I cut them some slack in that they have their own stuff they care about and can explain why (watch the STD/patrick re:views when they try to comprehend in horror what's happening, karmic retribution if you wanna go with that) and way back they were much smaller and probably didn't expect the plinkett reviews to blow up that much. fuck, even back then a lot of people thought it as autistic rambling about nerd shit similar to mauler now, just with more comedy bits to slap you in the face it's not meant to be entirely serious - yet here we are. if they would do the the plinkett reviews now (with or without the ST) they probably would look a lot different.

as for the reviews itself (from what I remember), they mostly criticize the craftmanship and writing of the PT, which let's be honest there's plenty to criticize. the ST doesn't necessarily have that problem, but glaring flaws in other aspects - which are way worse for people that are more invested in star wars. where the ST did a better job in making normies miss the overly shit parts with quips and effects, it completely bombed when it came to what made star wars star wars, and I don't think that's something they ever really cared about much. this is also the reason they like the OT, because they were good movies with good characters and good story and not much left to be contrarian about, but that's it. it's about the movies, not the universe. that's why jay simps for daisy ridley and would deny she's a mary sue even if she tried to bite his face off, and why rich thinks "there's nothing outside the OT" (which I always found particularly stupid considering he comes from comics and plays videogames, so at least he should be aware of how settings can have more than one story - and SW as a setting is ripe for that, as has been proven).

The problem with both of these statements is the manner in which RLM went about attacking GL over the PT. They aren't nearly as bad as they made it out so seem. They clearly were fanboys who grew up with Star Wars and then were disappointed it didn't fill that whole inside them like it did when they were a kid. The joy and malice they displayed in not only their PT reviews but throughout their collection with the mean spirited jokes, attacking GL for other films that weren't ST was unbecoming to say the least. No benefit of the doubt was given to GL and what he was trying to do due. And they enjoyed it. ST getting fucked right now is their penance.

I only saw TFA once and knew it had a shit ton of problems. That movie broke the rules of SW before TLJ and they ate it up. It broke basic story telling rules as well and they ate it up.(Rey beating Kylo) And instead of owning up to them recommending JJ and getting BTFO by it actually happening they downplayed it. Which is dumb considering how much impact they are aware they have with their PT that got then famous in the first place, how many industry people they have gotten on the show and how they are basically the origin of youtube movie criticism.

And here's the thing, their criticism of the PT is so surface level and so much in the vein of 'Wah, This isnt the OT' its laughable looking back on it now and looking at the PT in its complete story of 1-3. The PT is flawed, has execution issues, and performance issues from the actors involved. But, a lot of the criticism comes from audience projection more than what the films presents on their own. That's not fair to any movie. Preferences != Criticism.

So yes, RLM is partially to blame for the state of SW, they have said themselves they are not SW fans(which I believe stopped being the case when they were disappointed in TPM). Karma is a bitch.

In Mando news: Cyrill should reread LOTF(series after NJO not the comic book). While I have no issues with mando's being capable of killing jedi, Karen Traviss clearly shaped that perception in a purposeful way that wasn't there prior to her work imo. It is understandable why people don't like her or mando's that much due to some of what she comes off as the author pushing and manufacturing certain events that make Mandos stronger/more important than they were before.(Particularly the second to last book in the series iirc. A character does something with Major implications and importance to the series and the way Mandos are involved was made necessary but another author wouldn't have done it that way). Again, I like mandos(main in OG SWTOR was a BH due to it being the closest you could get to being a mando) but Traviss hate is understandable imo.

No faith in Disney making a Luke movie. They've killed him. Let him die. Theres no way to fix him without changing(read eliminating from canon) TLJ. We know how his story ends and it's absolutely retarded and out of character to the Luke of the OT not to mention the Luke of the EU. But let's ignore the EU since only needs like us know it.

The OT Luke had space Hitlerx10 for a father. Somehow he still held out that he could be redeemed after daddy Vader had committed multiple genocides. Fast forward and Luke gets a vision that may or may not come true(always in motion, the future is) and also may have been planted by another force user(tbf no idea if Luke is aware of Daddy Sheev pulled this trick on Aniboy) and as a Master in his new Jedi order does he meditate on this? No, that would make sense, he goes to his nephew, who is sleeping, pulls out his lightsaber and holds it above him without killing him. Btw, that's worse characterization than anything in the prequels. And I mean anything. That's worse than Jar Jar, thanks worse than whiney Anikan of episode 2, worse than 'Sand gets everywhere' it's worse than 'So you're blinded by love' 'You're breaking my heart' and all the rest of Natalie' poor performance in RotS.

SW is dead, Disney killed it. There should be no faith whatsoever that they can bring it back to life. Mandalorian is a decent show but even the first season has cracks in it that I know will be growing into fractures in season 2. The best hope for SW fans is Disney is forced to sell it(Hopefully for a loss) and the next owner will decanoninize the ST, recanoninize the EU, and the Mouse's stewards ship is remembered as the Dark Times and nothing more.

 

[White Devil]

Legit question :

Were it to happen, who do you think Disney would sell it to? I doubt Lucas would buy it back, his kids aren't interested in Star Wars and he himself is in his sunset years. That leaves either a very rich individual or a company with the liquid to do something with the franchise.

 

[Dixieland Buckaroo]

Legit question :

Were it to happen, who do you think Disney would sell it to? I doubt Lucas would buy it back, his kids aren't interested in Star Wars and he himself is in his sunset years. That leaves either a very rich individual or a company with the liquid to do something with the franchise.

It's not going to happen. I think Fox and Sony were mentioned as other potential buyers from the original sale. Only the big media conglomerates could make this work today, along with some tech companies: Sony, Comcast, AT&T, Netflix, Amazon, Apple.

 

[Getting tard comed]

Legit question :

Were it to happen, who do you think Disney would sell it to? I doubt Lucas would buy it back, his kids aren't interested in Star Wars and he himself is in his sunset years. That leaves either a very rich individual or a company with the liquid to do something with the franchise.

I want it to be GL for sub 2b, but that's just a wish and a dream.

Disney is fucked since there really isn't any movie company(that isn't Chinese and they dont like Star Wars) in a position to buy it from then. There really isnt any individual with the resources just to buy it, let alone produce anything with it, that I'm aware of to buy it off them. Maybe some eccentric billionaire(Elon Musk type though not him specifically. I dont think he actually has access to his purported worth) will buy it for the bragging rights. That is the most likely outcome imo even if it seems unlikely atm.

 

[jspit]

I want it to be GL for sub 2b, but that's just a wish and a dream.

Disney is fucked since there really isn't any movie company(that isn't Chinese and they dont like Star Wars) in a position to buy it from then. There really isnt any individual with the resources just to buy it, let alone produce anything with it, that I'm aware of to buy it off them. Maybe some eccentric billionaire(Elon Musk type though not him specifically. I dont think he actually has access to his purported worth) will buy it for the bragging rights. That is the most likely outcome imo even if it seems unlikely atm.

The problem is the price. They overpaid, so they'll want to sell it for that. But since obtaining it they've somehow managed to make Star Wars less valuable then when they bought it.

 

[HandsomeDan]

Luke movie... no thanks, I think disney had their chance and we wont be needing anymore star wars films from them at this point. If only it were that simple...

The potential for more horrific destruction will reach epic levels if they try and go forward with this. I'm guessing there was a woman on Tatooine who mentored Luke, not Obi Wan and it was really Luke's black female friend who was the great pilot who Luke stole the glory from. Luke's really close boyfriend friend that "shows him the way". Or maybe we will find out that Ahsoka (however it is spelled) was on Tatooine all along protecting Luke and that Obi Wan was just a crazy old man.

I know yall must think I have seen the initial screenplays for this film/show, but I promise I have not.

 

[Creep3r]

Legit question :

Were it to happen, who do you think Disney would sell it to? I doubt Lucas would buy it back, his kids aren't interested in Star Wars and he himself is in his sunset years. That leaves either a very rich individual or a company with the liquid to do something with the franchise.

It's not going to happen. I think Fox and Sony were mentioned as other potential buyers from the original sale. Only the big media conglomerates could make this work today, along with some tech companies: Sony, Comcast, AT&T, Netflix, Amazon, Apple.

Yeah, even Rinzler made it clear that George's kids want nothing to do with managing Star Wars.

Anyway, as unlikely it is to happen unless Disney's losses continue to accumulate heavily (which is happening but we will have to wait and see just how low the arrow goes), if it were to actually happen (hypothetically), it would be either some rich fuck, Amazon, Sony, Apple or Netflix. AT&T doesn't seem to be in a position to be spending much right now. Comcast might be 50/50. But then again, how much could the brand go for these days? I doubt Disney could sell if for 4 billion especially with how "toxic" the brand label has become to the point where appeal is at the bare minimum among normalfags, kids being generally disinterested, SJWs having moved onto other crap and hardcore circles having moved onto stuff like 40k in the wake of Disney's fucktarded management of failing to form a cohesive lore or tabletop scene. Then there's the damaged reputation of merch which was SW's strongest point before TLJ. If Disney were to sell, they would definitely have to slash the price. But that's still a big "if" since as I've said before, selling now or even within the new few years would basically doom them, not because SW is worth anything but because investors and shareholders would see this as the ultimate sign of failure and weakness, and those out of touch rich fucks are the ones truly keeping Disney afloat.

But again, assuming it would happen (not saying it will) how much could the brand go for as it is now? Any thoughts?

 

[Dixieland Buckaroo]

Yeah, even Rinzler made it clear that George's kids want nothing to do with managing Star Wars.

Anyway, as unlikely it is to happen unless Disney's losses continue to accumulate heavily (which is happening but we will have to wait and see just how low the arrow goes), if it were to actually happen (hypothetically), it would be either some rich fuck, Amazon, Sony, Apple or Netflix. AT&T doesn't seem to be in a position to be spending much right now. Comcast might be 50/50. But then again, how much could the brand go for these days? I doubt Disney could sell if for 4 billion especially with how "toxic" the brand label has become to the point where appeal is at the bare minimum among normalfags, kids being generally disinterested, SJWs having moved onto other crap and hardcore circles having moved onto stuff like 40k in the wake of Disney's fucktard management of forming a cohesive lore or tabletop scene. Then there's the damaged reputation of merch which was SW's strongest point before TLJ. If Disney were to sell, they would definitely have to slash the price. But that's still a big "if" since as I've said before, selling now or even within the new few years would basically doom them, not because SW is worth anything but because investors and shareholders would see this as the ultimate sign of failure and weakness, and those out of touch rich fucks are the ones truly keeping Disney afloat.

Disney also dumped what, $2+ billion into Galaxy's Edge that I'm sure they have yet to recoup, plus the DW hotel that's... in progress? And if memory serves, the movies have been becoming costlier (reshoots, new directors...) while returning less at the box office, to the point that even with merchandise, Disney is probably still in the hole on Star Wars.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

The brand would have to really turn south for Disney to consider selling it. The last time I remember that happening was when they snagged the Power Rangers license from Saban Brands back in like 2000 or whenever, and low ratings/lack of audience interest eventually convinced Disney to sell the brand back nearly a decade later.

The difference is that was a TV series, with no other costs sunk into it outside of "production", licensing, etc...they didn't sink anywhere near as much into promoting Power Rangers like they have with Star Wars. There wasn't an entire Land at DisneyWorld or Hotels dedicated to Power Rangers. What would happen to all of those SW Projects that continue to drain money if Disney ended up selling it? Rebranding and refurbishing an entire theme park portion is an expensive and time-consuming undertaking...that's why we still have shit like Toon Lagoon and Seuss Island rotting in obscurity over at Universal's Islands Of Adventure, because they'd be so outlandishly expensive to replace with a more relevant or popular product.

Star Wars would have to hit rock-bottom profitability and brand stagnation for Disney to be anxious to get rid of it, and I don't see that happening. It will continue to be a financial thorn on their side as projects keep garnering apathy instead of success, but it won't convince them to get rid of it as an IP Asset. The worst that might happen is that they would relax their output of SW projects, and quietly push it behind all the promotion for Marvel Capeshit or whatever. They'll still hold onto it like a senile relative that won't die off, but they'll never get rid of it.

And that "limiting SW promotion and cancelling projects" seems all the more likely with Bob Cheapskate running the company.

 

[jspit]

Disney also dumped what, $2+ billion into Galaxy's Edge that I'm sure they have yet to recoup, plus the DW hotel that's... in progress? And if memory serves, the movies have been becoming costlier (reshoots, new directors...) while returning less at the box office, to the point that even with merchandise, Disney is probably still in the hole on Star Wars.

Unbelievably. Think about Solo, Galaxys Edge, and the overhead on LucasFilm. Now realize they paid more for Star Wars than for the MCU. They haven't come close to recouping their money. Especially when you think about just how much of the Sequels profit got swallowed in salaries and hidden costs.

 

[Getting tard comed]

The problem is the price. They overpaid, so they'll want to sell it for that. But since obtaining it they've somehow managed to make Star Wars less valuable then when they bought it.

While true, its important to keep in mind that Disney will be selling from a very weak position, and if they are in need of immediate cash they will have to take what they can get. Their losses are mounting and their debt levels are incredibly high atm. Ship sinkingly high. They will most likely have to start selling assets soon to keep afloat, Shenghai Disney is rumored to be one of the first things sold. All that said, Amazon definitely is in the best position to purchase it currently. Especially with vertical Integration being allowed again. If they really want to expand in that market SW is a way to do it even if imo it's a bad business decision.

I didn't think of Amazon. They are probably the most likely big corporation to buy it. Netflix can't they just lost 17b in value estimation yesterday and the future isnt particularly bright enough to get enough real money to buy SW. I dont think Amazon can either tbh, despite how much Bezos and his company are worth I honestly dont think they have the capital to spend 3b+ on an IP. I dont see Amazon taking out a loan to do it either.

Edit: Wanted to mention that according to Ty Beard(lawyer in Vic's case does Mergers and Acquisitions alot) it is a fairly common occurrence that a profitable business built by the owner is sold to a larger company, they run it into the ground then sell it back to the original business owner at a much lower price than they bought it for due to them running it into the ground. No matter what, Disney isnt getting the 4.3b they spent on SW back. It's simply not worth that now. It wasn't worth it then and Disney knew it.

 

[Adamska]

So for those not interested in the Battle of Tism...
There's been rumors floating around that Disney will be making a Luke Skywalker movie to "redeem" the character, which is nothing short of pathetic begging to try and get people back at the last minute, if true. But I seriously have my doubts (wouldn't be surprised if Doomcock started it), and even if it were true it doesn't change his future unless Disney outright states that this movie and the Disney Trilogy take place in different continuities. The reason I bring up such an obviously bogus sounding rumor is because people won't shut up about it and they've even been digging up old interviews Mark did with IGN back during TLJ's release as "proof" where he says he's fine with Disney using his image to make a CGI Luke. Considering Disney's shitty uncanny valley CGI, they're better off hiring some random deepfakefag off youtube since any of them btfo Disney's sfx departments.

Spoiler

He's talking about this:

I predict a fakeout vaporware project if it actually has any real validity at all; Disney can't afford shit beyond maybe some shitty animated shows. I don't believe it will happen at all though given Kennedy and her asskissing stooge and likely hoping to take over flunky Filoni want Luke to stay a failure and dead. Kennedy hates Luke because she probably sees him as George, and Filoni would waffle and pretend to care before killing that project because if he gives Luke anything, that's less money to his shitty OCs. Filoni only cares for his OCs, not the universe.

It's fake and gay, like literally everything that Disney tells the "news sites" they totally don't own at all that they're going to make. The only thing I know is that the shitty Lego Holiday Special will legit be a thing since it's CGI and Lego will likely do a good chunk of the lifting work.

 

[Ghostse]

The brand would have to really turn south for Disney to consider selling it. The last time I remember that happening was when they snagged the Power Rangers license from Saban Brands back in like 2000 or whenever, and low ratings/lack of audience interest eventually convinced Disney to sell the brand back nearly a decade later.

The difference is that was a TV series, with no other costs sunk into it outside of "production", licensing, etc...they didn't sink anywhere near as much into promoting Power Rangers like they have with Star Wars. There wasn't an entire Land at DisneyWorld or Hotels dedicated to Power Rangers. What would happen to all of those SW Projects that continue to drain money if Disney ended up selling it? Rebranding and refurbishing an entire theme park portion is an expensive and time-consuming undertaking...that's why we still have shit like Toon Lagoon and Seuss Island rotting in obscurity over at Universal's Islands Of Adventure, because they'd be so outlandishly expensive to replace with a more relevant or popular product.

Star Wars would have to hit rock-bottom profitability and brand stagnation for Disney to be anxious to get rid of it, and I don't see that happening. It will continue to be a financial thorn on their side as projects keep garnering apathy instead of success, but it won't convince them to get rid of it as an IP Asset. The worst that might happen is that they would relax their output of SW projects, and quietly push it behind all the promotion for Marvel Capeshit or whatever. They'll still hold onto it like a senile relative that won't die off, but they'll never get rid of it.

And that "limiting SW promotion and cancelling projects" seems all the more likely with Bob Cheapskate running the company.

Power Rangers was also still very connected with Japan, and PR was principally bought up to expand Disney's children's TV content lineup post their acquisition of ABC. It was never tightly integrated into Disney and by accounts was never intended to be. IIRC the toy rights were still tied up with Bandai, and that likely played a factor too. So when it didn't perform to expectations, divesting it was an easy exercise.

tl;dr The Mouse fears the Samaurai

The only thing I know is that the shitty Lego Holiday Special will legit be a thing since it's CGI and Lego will likely do a good chunk of the lifting work.

Lego group will be doing all of the lifting they possibly can. They are are a very small studio with very small, niche output and need to keep their pipeline flowing.

 

[Creep3r]

Disney also dumped what, $2+ billion into Galaxy's Edge that I'm sure they have yet to recoup, plus the DW hotel that's... in progress? And if memory serves, the movies have been becoming costlier (reshoots, new directors...) while returning less at the box office, to the point that even with merchandise, Disney is probably still in the hole on Star Wars.

Way more than 2 billion. I actually gave a more accurate estimate before like a year ago. But iirc, initially each park (Florida and California) cost around 2 billion each to build (initially 1.3b but then the price started escalating as expenses rose before opening), plus an additional billion or so each for the Kylo Ren ride, around a billion in repairs after some storms and animatronic failures, additional spending for repairs in the Kylo Ren ride (which is very high maintenance) and this goes without bringing up the Galaxy's Edge hotel in Florida that correlates with the park their which is apparently costing around 2 billion as well. I think like a year ago before the Kylo Ren ride I said that Disney only lost around 5 billion to 8 billion, but with the shut down, hotel delays, etc, its probably risen considerably. I remember Disney lost around 2 billion during a previous annual report while the most recent on August 4 said they lost 5 billion, which is probably not all from Galaxy's Edge since not every spending on there is marked as a failure just yet, but they probably make up a hefty sum of that.

If you want more specific posts where I do the numbers less half-assedly from before Corona buttfucked Disney, just search 5 billion in this thread.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

The problem with both of these statements is the manner in which RLM went about attacking GL over the PT. They aren't nearly as bad as they made it out so seem. They clearly were fanboys who grew up with Star Wars and then were disappointed it didn't fill that whole inside them like it did when they were a kid. The joy and malice they displayed in not only their PT reviews but throughout their collection with the mean spirited jokes, attacking GL for other films that weren't ST was unbecoming to say the least. No benefit of the doubt was given to GL and what he was trying to do due. And they enjoyed it. ST getting fucked right now is their penance.

I only saw TFA once and knew it had a shit ton of problems. That movie broke the rules of SW before TLJ and they ate it up. It broke basic story telling rules as well and they ate it up.(Rey beating Kylo) And instead of owning up to them recommending JJ and getting BTFO by it actually happening they downplayed it. Which is dumb considering how much impact they are aware they have with their PT that got then famous in the first place, how many industry people they have gotten on the show and how they are basically the origin of youtube movie criticism.

And here's the thing, their criticism of the PT is so surface level and so much in the vein of 'Wah, This isnt the OT' its laughable looking back on it now and looking at the PT in its complete story of 1-3. The PT is flawed, has execution issues, and performance issues from the actors involved. But, a lot of the criticism comes from audience projection more than what the films presents on their own. That's not fair to any movie. Preferences != Criticism.

So yes, RLM is partially to blame for the state of SW, they have said themselves they are not SW fans(which I believe stopped being the case when they were disappointed in TPM). Karma is a bitch.

In Mando news: Cyrill should reread LOTF(series after NJO not the comic book). While I have no issues with mando's being capable of killing jedi, Karen Traviss clearly shaped that perception in a purposeful way that wasn't there prior to her work imo. It is understandable why people don't like her or mando's that much due to some of what she comes off as the author pushing and manufacturing certain events that make Mandos stronger/more important than they were before.(Particularly the second to last book in the series iirc. A character does something with Major implications and importance to the series and the way Mandos are involved was made necessary but another author wouldn't have done it that way). Again, I like mandos(main in OG SWTOR was a BH due to it being the closest you could get to being a mando) but Traviss hate is understandable imo.

No faith in Disney making a Luke movie. They've killed him. Let him die. Theres no way to fix him without changing(read eliminating from canon) TLJ. We know how his story ends and it's absolutely retarded and out of character to the Luke of the OT not to mention the Luke of the EU. But let's ignore the EU since only needs like us know it.

The OT Luke had space Hitlerx10 for a father. Somehow he still held out that he could be redeemed after daddy Vader had committed multiple genocides. Fast forward and Luke gets a vision that may or may not come true(always in motion, the future is) and also may have been planted by another force user(tbf no idea if Luke is aware of Daddy Sheev pulled this trick on Aniboy) and as a Master in his new Jedi order does he meditate on this? No, that would make sense, he goes to his nephew, who is sleeping, pulls out his lightsaber and holds it above him without killing him. Btw, that's worse characterization than anything in the prequels. And I mean anything. That's worse than Jar Jar, thanks worse than whiney Anikan of episode 2, worse than 'Sand gets everywhere' it's worse than 'So you're blinded by love' 'You're breaking my heart' and all the rest of Natalie' poor performance in RotS.

SW is dead, Disney killed it. There should be no faith whatsoever that they can bring it back to life. Mandalorian is a decent show but even the first season has cracks in it that I know will be growing into fractures in season 2. The best hope for SW fans is Disney is forced to sell it(Hopefully for a loss) and the next owner will decanoninize the ST, recanoninize the EU, and the Mouse's stewards ship is remembered as the Dark Times and nothing more.

I agree with everything here.

Basically, RLM's criticism of the Prequels is that it's not like the OT/not as good as the OT. But they took that to the extreme and acted as if George Lucas raped their childhoods, when in reality, like any other director, the man was gonna have his ups and downs. There's gonna be times where he knocks it out the park, and times when it's going to be silly. I already figured this out before the PT came out when the Ewoks walked onto the screen in EPVI. That wasn't Lucas' best work, even though he was making callbacks to Lord of the Rings and the Hobbits. Of course his later works were gonna be more kid-friendly, they came in the wake of the 90s where all the ultra-violent shit we had in the 80s was toned down. Heck, as I said before, the Prequels were a Jedi power fantasy where they chopped down robots 90% of the time so they can have some guilt-free violence while showing off how strong the Jedi are. It wasn't groundbreaking cinema, just fun entertainment. But the fact of the matter is that RLM pushed their preferences as if it was valid criticism, when personal preferences differ from person to person. "It's not like the OT" can't stand as a standalone criticism.

Legacy of the Force was when I drew the line with Traviss. Sure, moral concerns about the Jedi leading the clones, I disagree with her but I see where she's coming from. Mandos being salty about losing to Jedi at Galidraan? Well, that makes them less sporting and more like sore losers, when compared to the older Mandos who respected the Jedi for defeating them at Malachor V, but maybe they're no longer as manly or badass as the Neo-Crusaders were. But making Vader's grand-daughter beg Boba Fett for help to fight her evil brother was when I, as a Sith fan, just gave up and considered Traviss a loon. But then again, her deeds in the Haloverse convinced me of that as well, when she used Admiral Parangosky, THE HEAD OF THE OFFICE OF NAVAL INTELLIGENCE, to criticize Dr. Halsey for the Spartan Program, despite the fact that ONI ran that program and Admiral Chief ONI Spook would have checked off on everything Halsey did in the Spartan Program, especially when ONI simply hired her services for said program and ONI agents controlled it entirely. It's like if Adolf Hitler put Heinrich Himmler and Adolf Eichmann on trial for the Holocaust. It makes about as much sense as a powerful Jedi who carved Yuuzhan Vong warriors like walnut pie asking a Mando for help to teach her how to fight against a Sith who is every bit her equal, a Sith who wouldn't fall for Mandalorian tricks and who is as powerful, if not even more powerful, than Vader himself.

I want it to be GL for sub 2b, but that's just a wish and a dream.

Disney is fucked since there really isn't any movie company(that isn't Chinese and they dont like Star Wars) in a position to buy it from then. There really isnt any individual with the resources just to buy it, let alone produce anything with it, that I'm aware of to buy it off them. Maybe some eccentric billionaire(Elon Musk type though not him specifically. I dont think he actually has access to his purported worth) will buy it for the bragging rights. That is the most likely outcome imo even if it seems unlikely atm.

I predict a fakeout vaporware project if it actually has any real validity at all; Disney can't afford shit beyond maybe some shitty animated shows. I don't believe it will happen at all though given Kennedy and her asskissing stooge and likely hoping to take over flunky Filoni want Luke to stay a failure and dead. Kennedy hates Luke because she probably sees him as George, and Filoni would waffle and pretend to care before killing that project because if he gives Luke anything, that's less money to his shitty OCs. Filoni only cares for his OCs, not the universe.

It's fake and gay, like literally everything that Disney tells the "news sites" they totally don't own at all that they're going to make. The only thing I know is that the shitty Lego Holiday Special will legit be a thing since it's CGI and Lego will likely do a good chunk of the lifting work.

Really, at this point, the SW franchise is more of a boat anchor around Disney's neck than anything else. They ran it to the ground by erasing most of its profitable characters from canon, then insulting the fans for being salty about that and other offenses. When you buy an IP based on a fictional universe, you're buying two things: the many characters that you can make media of, and the fans who will gobble up that slop and pay top dollar for it. Disney erased all but the movie and TCW characters, and they even eradicated/de-fanged most of the OT cast as well. And then they called the fans racist, sexist bigots for disagreeing with their move to turn Star Wars into a leftist echo chamber, when most of its fans veered more to the right because of all the militaristic and religious iconography of the series. Disney felt secure in insulting the fans back then, because their real money-makers were the parks and the MCU movies. But the MCU movies petered out, and the parks are now all closed due to the beer-bug. Now they're begging the fans to come back, yet still trying to entertain the woke audience they pandered to with the ST and their new SW universe. Can't have it both ways, guys, you gotta go one way or the other.

At this point, selling it back to Lucas might be their only hope, since he has shown interest in running it again or getting involved, and even he saw the Disney deal as selling Star Wars to "white slavers." Really, he should have sold the property for a huge share of Disney stock so his media empire can gobble up Disney. Granted, that might have led to future Disney films with great visuals but sappy romance dialogue, but that's far more preferable than what's happening now to both Lucasfilm AND Disney as a whole.

 

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Disney is more likely to be bought as a whole, than Star Wars being sold off.