8-17-2020 Tucson Police File Psychiatric Petition; Tom "Kidnapped" by Jackbooted thugs - C O M M I T T E D

I found this summary of the law in Arizona regarding involuntary confinement for mental health reasons:

It seems they can confine someone for 24hrs without a court order, and with a court order the period of confinement is capped at a maximum of one year. It also says that “you can be released from the order if, in the opinion of the medical director of the agency providing the treatment, you are no longer a danger to others, a danger to self, gravely disabled, or persistently and acutely disabled.” I’m not the most well-versed on this particular cow, but from what I have seen I would be shocked if he doesn’t end up being committed for an extended length of time.

It is also possible that he will be ordered to undergo some outpatient therapy, in which case he would be released but required to attend those treatment sessions. There is also an appeals process, but given his mental state I doubt he will manage to achieve much of anything through that channel.
 
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timewave0 said:
I found this summary of the law in Arizona regarding involuntary confinement for mental health reasons:

It seems they can confine someone for 24hrs without a court order, and with a court order the period of confinement is capped at a maximum of one year. It also says that “you can be released from the order if, in the opinion of the medical director of the agency providing the treatment, you are no longer a danger to others, a danger to self, gravely disabled, or persistently and acutely disabled.” I’m not the most well-versed on this particular cow, but from what I have seen I would be shocked if he doesn’t end up being committed for an extended length of time.

It is also possible that he will be ordered to undergo some outpatient therapy, in which case he would be released but required to attend those treatment sessions. There is also an appeals process, but given his mental state I doubt he will manage to achieve much of anything through that channel.
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Hard disagree.

Tommy wasn’t taken in as a raving lunatic who tried stabbing someone or jumping off a bridge while talking about CIA space aliens.

It’s not the first time Tommy has been at the psychiatric rodeo. He’s a wily fucker, so he knows what to say to steer clear of an extended stay. He’ll use the eccentric hippie artist bullshit, he likes to pull out:

“I know I’m crazy, but I’ll never hurt anyone! I’m an artist, we’re supposed to be nuts!”

If all else fails, he’ll play the trannycard.

He’ll be out again in a day or two. Undoubtedly using his release as proof that the cops are persecut him, and he totally doesn’t need to be locked up.
 
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It is much harder to commit somebody involuntarily than some think. For Tommy to be committed in this way they need to actually diagnose him with some mental disorder and convince the court that he poses an actual, concrete, danger to someone as a result of the disorder. It can't be that he's a danger to himself: living in squalor is not enough here as it needs to be attributable to the disorder. As insane and disgusting as it is, he chooses to live like that and could also choose not to. That isn't the case with certain schizophrenic individuals. He isn't an actual danger to other people and there are really no facts to support that he is. Sure, he's a vile human being who would molest children if he thought he could get away with it but there is no individual the state could actually argue is at risk. It's too nebulous and speculative to say "he would if he could" and in many states (don't know about Arizona) it's also required that the danger be imminent, which here it definitely isn't.

Commitment is also for the purpose of treatment, so without an actual diagnosed disorder that causes him to be dangerous (even being diagnosed as something like "gender dysphoric" wouldn't work because that isn't a treatable source of him being dangerous) it's not going to work. Even if he were sentenced to treatment it would just be something like "take your meds and we'll check on you from time to time" and it's entirely legal for him to just say "lol, no." The people who get detained for a long period of time are raving lunatics who are compelled to hurt either themselves or someone else.

It is intentionally hard to commit people involuntarily. That's because we have an entirely separate thing to do that for everyone but the absolute basket-cases: criminal law.

If you're thinking about somebody and you think they deserve commitment because you're angry and think that they're a terrible person, that's a good sign commitment is unlikely.
 
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More lulz for us. It would be pretty sad if Tom's milk dried up.
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Idk man... Did you hear the phone calls with Golden?

He knows that we’re being paid, but haven’t put all the pieces together yet.

I’m just a little concerned if he keeps digging and finds out where the money is coming from, ya know?

The Democrats don’t need this kind of attention right now, and knowing Tommy he’d never shut up.
 
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BigTodd said:
Wonder how wasting 911 resources plays into it? This guy calls the police on almost a daily basis.
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If it was that they would have fined him or jailed him for it a long time ago. I think he fucked up more seriously this time, whether on one of his raving lunatic calls or otherwise, and they decided to give him a wake up call.

Honestly they should just lock him up for wasting their time every time he calls them about nothing.
 
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I highly doubt Tom is going to be gone for an extended period of time. Couple of days, sure. Maybe a week. In the end, however, he's predominantly not seen as a genuine threat; he's all bluster and no bite.
We've seen him brag about knowing Krav Maga, how his hands are deadly weapons, how 'Tom Will Kill' because he's totally a two spirited being and not some 70's burnout who spent a portion of his life soaking his semi-smooth brain with every barbiturate known to man.
We've then seen him cower in fear as some big black dude tells him to fuck off, waddle away quickly after picking a fight with some homeless people and piss off his local dealer because he probably wouldn't give him a bj discount.
So he'll sit in that psych ward and ramble, annoy the other patients and waste group sessions talking about nonsense...but they'll let him go. He'll swear up and down that his meds are working, that whatever he did was merely just an episode and that whatever he said was simply taken out of context.
As soon as he's out he'll toss the meds, upload a video about how he won, fuck the cops, fuck kiwi farms, we lose...and then go back to business as usual.
 
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As soon as he's out he'll toss the meds, upload a video about how he won, fuck the cops, fuck kiwi farms, we lose...and then go back to business as usual.
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He'll keep anything he can catch a buzz with but they'll probably just give him antipsychotics. Since they couldn't get him to fill a prescription for them, they might give him one of those month long shots. I don't know if they need a court order for that or they're expensive enough Arizona doesn't do that.

More likely though they just chuck his ass on the street as soon as they're legally allowed. He'll be back and chimping out in no time at all. I wonder if he'll wise up about constantly harassing the cops. Probably not.
 
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On a lighter note, his muting on the Jewish subreddit will have lapsed by the time he's out...

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It is much harder to commit somebody involuntarily than some think. For Tommy to be committed in this way they need to actually diagnose him with some mental disorder and convince the court that he poses an actual, concrete, danger to someone as a result of the disorder. It can't be that he's a danger to himself: living in squalor is not enough here as it needs to be attributable to the disorder. As insane and disgusting as it is, he chooses to live like that and could also choose not to. That isn't the case with certain schizophrenic individuals. He isn't an actual danger to other people and there are really no facts to support that he is. Sure, he's a vile human being who would molest children if he thought he could get away with it but there is no individual the state could actually argue is at risk. It's too nebulous and speculative to say "he would if he could" and in many states (don't know about Arizona) it's also required that the danger be imminent, which here it definitely isn't.

Commitment is also for the purpose of treatment, so without an actual diagnosed disorder that causes him to be dangerous (even being diagnosed as something like "gender dysphoric" wouldn't work because that isn't a treatable source of him being dangerous) it's not going to work. Even if he were sentenced to treatment it would just be something like "take your meds and we'll check on you from time to time" and it's entirely legal for him to just say "lol, no." The people who get detained for a long period of time are raving lunatics who are compelled to hurt either themselves or someone else.

It is intentionally hard to commit people involuntarily. That's because we have an entirely separate thing to do that for everyone but the absolute basket-cases: criminal law.

If you're thinking about somebody and you think they deserve commitment because you're angry and think that they're a terrible person, that's a good sign commitment is unlikely.
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I wholeheartedly agree. Tommy is a nut but not enough to spend precious tax dollaz housing him involuntarily.
 
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