2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

[BeboRefugee]

Shots fired in Baltimore.

I'm also seeing a very interesting phenomenon here. The GOP is getting a groundswell of young working class people vying for the Back Bench, while the Democrats are a complete Gerontocracy with a few children of hyper elite rich people like AOC. Still, she's got a huge mountain to climb here. This is Elijah Cummings old seat, and she got BTFO in the special election for it. That said, with everything going on she may have a shot and you can't win if you don't show up.

If Trump manages to win in November, this will be the real victory.
He's done away with the GOP's image as old crusty bible thumpers amongst young people. He goes to great lengths recruiting youth of all backgrounds, and it not only defuses racism accusations, it allows Trumpian Republicans to sincerely convey a message of optimism and results to voters.

As you say, Democrats are suffering from having a very old and very white leadership, despite constantly celebrating diversity within their own party. They're in for a real power struggle over the next decade, regardless of electoral success. Not least from the demographic pressures the party originally championed, but because since 2008, and their absolute hemorrhaging of state and congressional seats, the DNC totally failed to foster the next generation of leadership internally. One of the big arguments against Trump was how he made it out like Mexicans were 'stealing' jobs from Americans, and how this is reductive to the point of unhelpful.
HOWEVER, in politics, it is very much a 0 sum game for competition. If your whole platform is about how representation for Asians, Latinos and Blacks matter, sooner or later they want themselves represented in the echelons of leadership... and this is a problem because there's a deficit of competence and leadership within the DNC full stop. Regardless of ethnicity. The last thing you want is your ambassador for an entire ethnic group or sexual minority be completely unqualified.

This is why prominent non-white Democrats are so fake. They're desperate to get the perks of representation but the pickings for viable candidates are so slim. Corey Booker, Barack Obama, Kamala Harris, none have an authentically black background to them. Its not a pre-requisite, but they look like perhaps they would, and their PR lies by omission to make voters think they do.
The only 'outta the ghetto' voice with a national profile I can think of is Maxine Waters, which is really interesting insofar as you'd think the Democrats would want her eclipsed by a more palatable figure a long time ago, but instead she's been saying really stupid damaging things in DC for 30 years now.

 

[2021Murder]

Frankly, I find it insulting that nobody here is considering Vermin Supreme as a likely candidate.
Shame on all your houses.
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[Meat Target]

Okay, tin foil hat time:

Is it possible that Dems/Biden are just pretending to be retarded and divided to get Conservatives to think Trump has this in the bag, thus making them complacent and reducing Republican turnout? I know Dems don't really understand 4d Chess, but whenever fellow conservatives start saying "Trump is totally gonna win with a landslide!", I can't help but think of the hubris the DNC had in 2016.

I really feel like the Right is underestimating how much TDS is driving voter enthusiasm across the aisle. I know there is a poll somewhere saying Trump's side has more enthusiasm than Biden, but I'll believe it when I see it. I'm really worried the Right will let their guard down, or worse, the swing voters will fall for DNC tricks.

This is all assuming, of course, that the Dems don't cheat.

 

[Aidan]

Okay, tin foil hat time:

Is it possible that Dems/Biden are just pretending to be retarded and divided to get Conservatives to think Trump has this in the bag, thus making them complacent and reducing Republican turnout? I know Dems don't really understand 4d Chess, but whenever fellow conservatives start saying "Trump is totally gonna win with a landslide!", I can't help but think of the hubris the DNC had in 2016.

I really feel like the Right is underestimating how much TDS is driving voter enthusiasm across the aisle. I know there is a poll somewhere saying Trump's side has more enthusiasm than Biden, but I'll believe it when I see it. I'm really worried the Right will let their guard down, or worse, the swing voters will fall for DNC tricks.

This is all assuming, of course, that the Dems don't cheat.

I legitimately believe that Biden is busted and they struggle to contain that but they can't just toss him to the side at this point.
However, I also think that they're not all retards who can't see the forest for the trees and will try their best to flip things around and are smart enough to try to boost Trump voter confidence to the point they don't go to the polls. In fact, I think some realize that is the best strategy considering what they have to work with and how things turned out in 2016 as you said.

On the flip side, Trump seems to be adept at running campaigns and/or getting people around him who are good at that. He doesn't play the usual political games and his most recent ads are no doubt zingers for his supporters. I think he understands memes, funnily enough, which greatly plays to his favor.
I personally think Trump is impressively hip for a literal boomer who has every reason to be out of touch.

 

[GuntPunt]

Okay, tin foil hat time:

Is it possible that Dems/Biden are just pretending to be retarded and divided to get Conservatives to think Trump has this in the bag, thus making them complacent and reducing Republican turnout? I know Dems don't really understand 4d Chess, but whenever fellow conservatives start saying "Trump is totally gonna win with a landslide!", I can't help but think of the hubris the DNC had in 2016.

I really feel like the Right is underestimating how much TDS is driving voter enthusiasm across the aisle. I know there is a poll somewhere saying Trump's side has more enthusiasm than Biden, but I'll believe it when I see it. I'm really worried the Right will let their guard down, or worse, the swing voters will fall for DNC tricks.

This is all assuming, of course, that the Dems don't cheat.

Biden pretending to be demented to own the cons at the debates. Maybe it was the Democrats playing 4D chess this time.

Or maybe they realized they're fucked on a party affiliated registration, enthusiasm, advertising spending and ground game to bother. Who knows?

 

[Meat Target]

I legitimately believe that Biden is busted and they struggle to contain that but they can't just toss him to the side at this point.
However, I also think that they're not all retards who can't see the forest for the trees and will try their best to flip things around and are smart enough to try to boost Trump voter confidence to the point they don't go to the polls. In fact, I think some realize that is the best strategy considering what they have to work with and how things turned out in 2016 as you said.

On the flip side, Trump seems to be adept at running campaigns and/or getting people around him who are good at that. He doesn't play the usual political games and his most recent ads are no doubt zingers for his supporters. I think he understands memes, funnily enough, which greatly plays to his favor.
I personally think Trump is impressively hip for a literal boomer who has every reason to be out of touch.

Biden pretending to be demented to own the cons at the debates. Maybe it was the Democrats playing 4D chess this time.

Or maybe they realized they're fucked on a party affiliated registration, enthusiasm, advertising spending and ground game to bother. Who knows?

Another reason for my concern is that I don't see the Right telling people explicitly to Get Out and Vote. The Left absolutely is. I know higher turnout usually benefits Dems, but if Dems are making a mad push for voting, Republicans need to be pushing back. And again, right now I am not seeing that.

I have seen people IRL with Trump 2020 year, but that's because I frequent outdoors stores, shooting ranges, and churches, and I'm in a purple part of a deep red state.

I'm incapable of accepting good news until it's official. For example, the claim that Zoomers are more conservative? I'll believe that when I see it.

 

[Harvey Danger]

Okay, tin foil hat time:

Is it possible that Dems/Biden are just pretending to be retarded and divided to get Conservatives to think Trump has this in the bag, thus making them complacent and reducing Republican turnout? I know Dems don't really understand 4d Chess, but whenever fellow conservatives start saying "Trump is totally gonna win with a landslide!", I can't help but think of the hubris the DNC had in 2016.

I really feel like the Right is underestimating how much TDS is driving voter enthusiasm across the aisle. I know there is a poll somewhere saying Trump's side has more enthusiasm than Biden, but I'll believe it when I see it. I'm really worried the Right will let their guard down, or worse, the swing voters will fall for DNC tricks.

This is all assuming, of course, that the Dems don't cheat.

I don't think anyone on the Right underestimates how crazy the TDS is. But every election, a certain amount of shit-talking is traditional, trying to discourage the other side. "You're gonna vote for an old white dude?" "Blacks will never vote for her" "All these traditional Republicans are abandoning Trump! No one is on your side!"

The simple, brute fact is that Generic Republican vs Generic Democrat starts out with a 35% to 35% vote. It does not matter who they are. As long as there aren't alternative Rep/Dem candidates running (Wallace in 68, Perot in 92/96) they get another 5-7% each. The last bits in the middle become a question of winning independents, turnout, ground game, and all the other campaign tropes you hear about.

(2016 was different in that both candidates were horribly unlikable and drew from the other side's base. But Trump won independents by 5%.)

So the question is, do the TDS sufferers fall into the built-in 35%, or are there some in the middle? And will the non-TDS centrist independents abandon Trump?

I think Trump's campaign is aiming squarely at those centrist independents. The ads he runs aren't about policy; they are about nearly non-political issues like Biden's mental capacity or riots destroying cities. If he wanted to fire up his base, he'd be whining about impeachment, fake news, and Mueller shenanigans. He's not catering to his base except by running a strong ground game, which may be enough for this very weird election cycle.

 

[Aidan]

Another reason for my concern is that I don't see the Right telling people explicitly to Get Out and Vote. The Left absolutely is. I know higher turnout usually benefits Dems, but if Dems are making a mad push for voting, Republicans need to be pushing back. And again, right now I am not seeing that.

Agreed, I believe most Republicans are just set in their ways and getting "the masses" to vote is bad for them because most of their victories come from old white people and they're afraid to step outside of that demographic for fear of losing their grasp.
All my perspective, anyway.

Some Republicans seem very keen on their demographic literally dying so they need to switch it up, but they seem to scared to act on it even though this is the best time in at least my life for them to branch out. If they weren't retarded they'd leverage Trump stirring the pot and having a few token black republicans who are good speakers and go try something new, but they're too scared.
Maybe they're right to be scared, they know that everything is against them and they're basically censored... but they're so out of touch it's impressive. Like Ted Cruz has a podcast now, which is a great thing to do to be "hip", if a little late, but there's a clip of Lindsey Graham recounting how he didn't even know what a podcast was and he thinks it's useless and radio is better.

tl;dr republicans are ignorant old people and their own worst enemies idk the solution for them

 

[heyitsmike]

Okay, tin foil hat time:

Is it possible that Dems/Biden are just pretending to be retarded and divided to get Conservatives to think Trump has this in the bag, thus making them complacent and reducing Republican turnout? I know Dems don't really understand 4d Chess, but whenever fellow conservatives start saying "Trump is totally gonna win with a landslide!", I can't help but think of the hubris the DNC had in 2016.

I really feel like the Right is underestimating how much TDS is driving voter enthusiasm across the aisle. I know there is a poll somewhere saying Trump's side has more enthusiasm than Biden, but I'll believe it when I see it. I'm really worried the Right will let their guard down, or worse, the swing voters will fall for DNC tricks.

This is all assuming, of course, that the Dems don't cheat.

No, it is not possible. That would require a level of competence the Dems simply do not posess.

Republican voters aren't complacent. Where are all these people so sure Trump is gonna win that they won't bother going out to vote?

If anything was going to depress turnout it would have been the situation in 2016, not 2020, when anyone and everyone was calling a landslide for Hillary. It's the side that's supposed to lose big that has a harder time getting people out.

You see it in sports all the time. When the home team is expected to lose in a blow out, attendance is low because the outcome is not in doubt. But when the home team expects to win in a blow out, attendance is high even though the outcome is also not in doubt.

No Trump supporters are sitting this out, not in a million years.

Another reason for my concern is that I don't see the Right telling people explicitly to Get Out and Vote. The Left absolutely is.

The right generally doesn't need to be babysat and told what to do, unlike the left.

 

[GuntPunt]

Counterpoint besides the ground game already mentioned: the RNC Convention is next week. That is where they will start ramping out the get out and vote rhetoric. Even Trump just started doing rallies again during the DNC, something that Biden will NEVER do to a large crowd. I understand the concern (since I'm a person who rather see the results) with the more muted Republican response, but I am not worried yet.

Plus, the riots are the best free advertising for your party as it gets. "This is what Democrats want for you. Criticize it and they will send the mob after you and go after your family's livelyhood." Portland may be still rioting until the inaugeration.

 

[Meat Target]

Agreed, I believe most Republicans are just set in their ways and getting "the masses" to vote is bad for them because most of their victories come from old white people and they're afraid to step outside of that demographic for fear of losing their grasp.
All my perspective, anyway.

Some Republicans seem very keen on their demographic literally dying so they need to switch it up, but they seem to scared to act on it even though this is the best time in at least my life for them to branch out. If they weren't retarded they'd leverage Trump stirring the pot and having a few token black republicans who are good speakers and go try something new, but they're too scared.
Maybe they're right to be scared, they know that everything is against them and they're basically censored... but they're so out of touch it's impressive. Like Ted Cruz has a podcast now, which is a great thing to do to be "hip", if a little late, but there's a clip of Lindsey Graham recounting how he didn't even know what a podcast was and he thinks it's useless and radio is better.

tl;dr republicans are ignorant old people and their own worst enemies idk the solution for them

No, it is not possible. That would require a level of competence the Dems simply do not posess.

Republican voters aren't complacent. Where are all these people so sure Trump is gonna win that they won't bother going out to vote?

If anything was going to depress turnout it would have been the situation in 2016, not 2020, when anyone and everyone was calling a landslide for Hillary. It's the side that's supposed to lose big that has a harder time getting people out.

You see it in sports all the time. When the home team is expected to lose in a blow out, attendance is low because the outcome is not in doubt. But when the home team expects to win in a blow out, attendance is high even though the outcome is also not in doubt.

No Trump supporters are sitting this out, not in a million years.


The right generally doesn't need to be babysat and told what to do, unlike the left.

I was in high school and college during the Obama years, and the amount of BTFOings the GOP got in those days borderline blackpilled me (and to be fair in hindsight, they should have never recovered after allowing GWOT and the Great Recession to happen on their watch).

I have always voted even if I didn't think my preferred candidate would win, because it's the least I can do.

2016 gave me hope. Trump winning showed me that the Dems (and the Establishment, for that matter) are not invincible. Trump may or may not actually care about me (likely the latter), but at least when he pretends to stand up for my interests, he sounds believable. He's better at addressing conservative concerns than the GOP Establishment, who just pay-lip service to it, and he's FAR better than the Dems, in whose party I am clearly not welcome.

 

[RockPaper]

Republican voters aren't complacent. Where are all these people so sure Trump is gonna win that they won't bother going out to vote?
No Trump supporters are sitting this out, not in a million years.

Exactly. Current events and the behavior of Trump's political enemies angers the shit out of Trump voters. They don't need to be motivated, even if they were the type to be led around by the nose.

 

[Honest Coyote]

Lol. Umm, no? This is much smaller than even a very small deal.
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This timeline is amazing. The Iraq war was possibly the biggest fuck-up of America for decades, destabilized the middle east, cost us lives and trillions of dollars to only get bogged down in tribal grudges and sectarian violence that doesn't concern us, and made the Republican party toxic for a decade. Now they're bringing in Colin Powell, who appeared before the UN claiming WMDs. On top of that, they have Biden who voted to authorize it as a senator. I know that the Iraq war is no longer a hot issue, but if Trump doesn't use this to turn the Democrats into the war party, literally every rightwing shitposter will.

Okay, tin foil hat time:

Is it possible that Dems/Biden are just pretending to be retarded and divided to get Conservatives to think Trump has this in the bag, thus making them complacent and reducing Republican turnout? I know Dems don't really understand 4d Chess, but whenever fellow conservatives start saying "Trump is totally gonna win with a landslide!", I can't help but think of the hubris the DNC had in 2016.

I really feel like the Right is underestimating how much TDS is driving voter enthusiasm across the aisle. I know there is a poll somewhere saying Trump's side has more enthusiasm than Biden, but I'll believe it when I see it. I'm really worried the Right will let their guard down, or worse, the swing voters will fall for DNC tricks.

This is all assuming, of course, that the Dems don't cheat.

I don't think so. Democrats are much more virtue signally about popular causes. Demoralization hits them harder, because then you can't show off. Republicans are the quiet party. Get in, and do what you want with little fanfare. Trump is the exception, but even then he's very different from Obama doing faggot dances on Ellen or Clinton harpy screeching on the view.

Republicans also want to punish every Democrat they can. It's not just the president - I plan on voting straight Republican down to dog catcher if I can. The Democrats double standards have became so egregious, it's almost impressive.

Spoiler: Partial list, because I feel autistic

You can't have funerals/Fentanyl Floyd get a royal procession

You can't open your business/protestors can mass together

You can't visit grandma/ we can house COVID patients in nursing homes

You're racist/ whitey deserves this

Protesting lockdowns is unacceptable/ rioting is not only acceptable but supporting them is mandatory

Guns for self-defense are bad/ armed robbery of pregnant women is unimportant

You don't need a gun because of police / well, we're actually getting rid of them too

Men with guns are just standing there, Menacingly! / We did it Patrick, we peacefully burned down the city!

Hydrochloroquine is dangerous and untested/ transition surgeries for minors are wonderful

Police are inherently wrong/ A corrupt DA is a great choice for VP

Trump fumbles a few words means he's unfit/ Biden's visible decline is a conspiracy

Body and sex shaming is bad/ you microdicked incel loser

Bake the cake bigot/ umm, sweety, it's a private company so they can control what you say on there

Homeschooling is dangerous because parents aren't teachers and may teach inappropriately/ drag queens wanting to read to kids isn't inappropriate or suspect at all

Republicans supposedly support conversion therapy/ gender clinics

I could go on, but point being is that Republicans want to hit back, and thanks to corrupted DA's, the sycophant media, and moloch-affilated big businesses, the polls are one of the few legal ways left. I think even a Jeb! canidate would have massive turnout, simply cause that's where Republicans can turn out.

 

[Iceland Heavy]

It's just a matter of how high we hold celebrities within the American socio-political discourse.

Which is way too high.

I've always thought that since America had no formal aristocracy celebrities just filled that vacuum.

Lol. Umm, no? This is much smaller than even a very small deal.
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>his last appearance was in 2004 for the Republicans
Coincidentally also around the last time people thought his opinions were actually worth listening to.

 

[Meat Target]

This timeline is amazing. The Iraq war was possibly the biggest fuck-up of America for decades, destabilized the middle east, cost us lives and trillions of dollars to only get bogged down in tribal grudges and sectarian violence that doesn't concern us, and made the Republican party toxic for a decade. Now they're bringing in Colin Powell, who appeared before the UN claiming WMDs. On top of that, they have Biden who voted to authorize it as a senator. I know that the Iraq war is no longer a hot issue, but if Trump doesn't use this to turn the Democrats into the war party, literally every rightwing shitposter will.


I don't think so. Democrats are much more virtue signally about popular causes. Demoralization hits them harder, because then you can't show off. Republicans are the quiet party. Get in, and do what you want with little fanfare. Trump is the exception, but even then he's very different from Obama doing faggot dances on Ellen or Clinton harpy screeching on the view.

Republicans also want to punish every Democrat they can. It's not just the president - I plan on voting straight Republican down to dog catcher if I can. The Democrats double standards have became so egregious, it's almost impressive.

Spoiler: Partial list, because I feel autistic

You can't have funerals/Fentanyl Floyd get a royal procession

You can't open your business/protestors can mass together

You can't visit grandma/ we can house COVID patients in nursing homes

You're racist/ whitey deserves this

Protesting lockdowns is unacceptable/ rioting is not only acceptable but supporting them is mandatory

Guns for self-defense are bad/ armed robbery of pregnant women is unimportant

You don't need a gun because of police / well, we're actually getting rid of them too

Men with guns are just standing there, Menacingly! / We did it Patrick, we peacefully burned down the city!

Hydrochloroquine is dangerous and untested/ transition surgeries for minors are wonderful

Police are inherently wrong/ A corrupt DA is a great choice for VP

Trump fumbles a few words means he's unfit/ Biden's visible decline is a conspiracy

Body and sex shaming is bad/ you microdicked incel loser

Bake the cake bigot/ umm, sweety, it's a private company so they can control what you say on there

Homeschooling is dangerous because parents aren't teachers and may teach inappropriately/ drag queens wanting to read to kids isn't inappropriate or suspect at all

Republicans supposedly support conversion therapy/ gender clinics

I could go on, but point being is that Republicans want to hit back, and thanks to corrupted DA's, the sycophant media, and moloch-affilated big businesses, the polls are one of the few legal ways left. I think even a Jeb! canidate would have massive turnout, simply cause that's where Republicans can turn out.

It really is astounding how Dems are simping for Powell, Dubya, McCain, Mattis, et al, when 15 or even 10 years ago they were denouncing all of them as Nazi Warmongers.

Then again, it isn't astounding, because those are the types of Conservatives they approve of: ones they can bully with impunity until they learn to "lose with dignity".

 

[Aidan]

It really is astounding how Dems are simping for Powell, Dubya, McCain, Mattis, et al, when 15 or even 10 years ago they were denouncing all of them as Nazi Warmongers.

Then again, it isn't astounding, because those are the types of Conservatives they approve of: ones they can bully with impunity until they learn to "lose with dignity".

I think they want the enemy they know back. Plus the enemy they know is also their friend quite often behind closed doors. The Trump era has ruined that and the new blood and some old blood aren't playing ball behind closed doors, probably.

 

[heyitsmike]

My boy John James is gonna look real good in that Senate seat.

John James for U.S. Senate

From the battlefield to the boardroom, John James has lived his life placing service before self. A husband, father, combat veteran, and businessman.

johnjamesforsenate.com

 

[GuntPunt]

My boy John James is gonna look real good in that Senate seat.
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John James for U.S. Senate

From the battlefield to the boardroom, John James has lived his life placing service before self. A husband, father, combat veteran, and businessman.

johnjamesforsenate.com

Worth noting is that Whitmer is screaming about not to believe the polls and that Michigan is still a swing state. If she starts easing up the lockdown, it means that internal polling or approval is awful.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Dont care if I am late. Elizabeth "Pocahontas" Warren spoke at the DNC Native American caucus.

 

[BeboRefugee]

Okay, tin foil hat time:

Is it possible that Dems/Biden are just pretending to be retarded and divided to get Conservatives to think Trump has this in the bag, thus making them complacent and reducing Republican turnout? I know Dems don't really understand 4d Chess, but whenever fellow conservatives start saying "Trump is totally gonna win with a landslide!", I can't help but think of the hubris the DNC had in 2016.

I really feel like the Right is underestimating how much TDS is driving voter enthusiasm across the aisle. I know there is a poll somewhere saying Trump's side has more enthusiasm than Biden, but I'll believe it when I see it. I'm really worried the Right will let their guard down, or worse, the swing voters will fall for DNC tricks.

This is all assuming, of course, that the Dems don't cheat.

I'm gonna say no. They genuinely think they're in the right, and take a paternal tone with voters in most things. Democrats are led by smart people, and they know what's good for the country even if voters don't -- and NO they're not gonna explain some of the more difficult balancing acts (i.e. why blue collar Americans should accept the tightened competition that would come from amnesty-ing millions of labourers) and if you insist on an answer you're gonna get smeared as whatever slur is most effective in that moment to make others think you're a bad person.
They genuinely don't understand what you mean by TDS. To them, lecturing the unengaged is 'educating'. Talking down to others isn't considered a negative. It's a weird sort of half-scold they do to make sure their friends start paying attention to politics in a very specific manner from select sources.

Having said this, Trump's prospects were not good until the Floyd riots. I'm happy to be in the minority here, but he's largely failed to deliver on the things he said he'd do back in 2016. A lot is still a work in progress, but the enthusiasm evaporated, and 3 years of ORANGE MAN BAD has, without a doubt, eroded support.
But the Floyd riots has given him a chance to demonstrate
1) he's not a murderous dictator (low bar, I know, but that's the bar his foes gave him)
2) he respects states rights (so Minneapolis can burn, but they don't get to refuse help at the time and later beg for federal cash)
3) his opponents show what they can do when out of power, so what will they do with the blessing of the executive branch?

The amount of fodder these riots have given Trump is truly unbelievable. I think initially party activists were agitating for BLM revival (you could feel the tension with e.g Ahmaud Arbery) but the Floyd riots spiralled out of the DNC's control a long time ago. And its too late to wash their hands of it now, hence, Michelle fucking Obama of all people invoking his memory on monday when the court will almost certainly absolve all the cops of any wrongdoing.
I crunched the numbers and in 2019 I thought there was no way Trump would carry Florida, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin again. It couldn't be done. But with Minnesota trending red, and now the riots? The Democrats just put one of their most reliable states into play. I now give Trump a coin-flip's chance at victory, because the sheer incompetence of his opponents means he could lose Pennsylvania AND Florida in November and still have a conceivable path to victory.