2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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Having said this, Trump's prospects were not good until the Floyd riots.
Only because of Coronavirus. He was in great shape before then. He was golden up until April. If the election were April through August he'd have been in a heap of trouble. But it's not. Trump is starting to peak as Biden is starting to flail. I think he'll go into election day in as strong of a position as he was pre pandemic.
 
Only because of Coronavirus. He was in great shape before then. He was golden up until April. If the election were April through August he'd have been in a heap of trouble. But it's not. Trump is starting to peak as Biden is starting to flail. I think he'll go into election day in as strong of a position as he was pre pandemic.
I've given you the most respectful Disagree sticker I'll ever hand out here.
All the Democrats had to do was get a moderate to secure the nomination and keep the train on the tracks until November. They could hammer on coronavirus, but also highlight Trump's numerous other failings.
Look at the 4 states I listed above. Trump won all of them by the skin of his dick. Democrats didn't even need to improve things with voters this time (hell, running Not Hillary was enough), they could flip all four based on a marginal decline in enthusiasm on Trump's side.
Before coronavirus, his most valued supporters were either ousted by White House power plays (Bannon, Sessions) or outright banned from public platforms (we have an entire e-celeb forum). I think the only reason Ann Coulter is permitted a twitter account is because she was critical of how he used her policies to win the election and then either failed to deliver on the wall, or fully u-turn on amnesty. These are all really important, and to lose just 1 cog means Trump lacked a viable path to victory.

But now? With this Democratic convention? What we now have is the Biden train has very visibly left the station, and derailed at high speed. And its the riots themselves + the hypocrisy in showing they never actually gave a fuck about the lockdowns from a safety view, only in how politically expedient the economic and social damage wrought would reflect on Trump. The only reason Trump has a chance is because his opposition is violently imploding right in front of him. I'm not saying Trump pre-2020 was bad, just he needed to hit it out of the park if his opposition was a non-senile Biden, or a Tulsi, who put a lid on the riots before they began. I'm looking at this through a lens that Trump's win was a numerical fluke, and the media would do their very best to stack the deck against him this time. He only won against Hillary because there was so much fodder to attack with. Now the DNC have gift-wrapped him an Epstein's Island worth of footage because they probably thought he'd sperg out and order guards shoot into the crowds or something.
 
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Okay, tin foil hat time:

Is it possible that Dems/Biden are just pretending to be retarded and divided to get Conservatives to think Trump has this in the bag, thus making them complacent and reducing Republican turnout? I know Dems don't really understand 4d Chess, but whenever fellow conservatives start saying "Trump is totally gonna win with a landslide!", I can't help but think of the hubris the DNC had in 2016.

I really feel like the Right is underestimating how much TDS is driving voter enthusiasm across the aisle. I know there is a poll somewhere saying Trump's side has more enthusiasm than Biden, but I'll believe it when I see it. I'm really worried the Right will let their guard down, or worse, the swing voters will fall for DNC tricks.

This is all assuming, of course, that the Dems don't cheat.
The right has never really had VOTE NOW GET OUT YOUR VOTE" stuff in the past as far as I can tell. There's also the apparent trend of Republicans maintaining higher vote counts with lower overall turnout.
On the flip side, Trump seems to be adept at running campaigns and/or getting people around him who are good at that. He doesn't play the usual political games and his most recent ads are no doubt zingers for his supporters. I think he understands memes, funnily enough, which greatly plays to his favor.
I personally think Trump is impressively hip for a literal boomer who has every reason to be out of touch
He's been in enough pop culture stuff, I wonder if this is just the 21st century version of what he's been doing for years.
 
No Trump supporters are sitting this out, not in a million years.


The right generally doesn't need to be babysat and told what to do, unlike the left.

Emphasis on this part. Trump supporters are STARVING to vote again. They're going to get almost physical pleasure from voting again and "spiting" the frenzy we've seen over the past 4 years.
 
The more I think about it, the more I think having AOC herself endorse Bernie was a mistake.

Like I said 2-3 pages ago, yes it is procedural to nominate and second Bernie for having enough delegates. But by having AOC do it, the Democrat party just gives the impression of being completely fractured and incompetent. Especially when AOC is on Twitter blasting NBC for "fake news". Uh no, they just reported what you said. Either you or the DNC should have made it abundantly clear that it was procedural and you did not. You should have also praised Biden while giving Bernie the nomination but you did not. You could have mentioned how you were seconding the nomination of Bernie because you respect him while still endorsing Biden, but you did not.

"Normies" aren't going to know or care about procedure. They just watched with their own eyes that AOC does not support Biden and supports Bernie instead. That's what the prerecorded video literally showed. The DNC should have had two "nobodies" nominate Bernie and all their "heavyweights" praise Biden.

This is all on AOC and the DNC. They fucked up and then lashed out because people reported their incompentence.
 
I've given you the most respectful Disagree sticker I'll ever hand out here.
All the Democrats had to do was get a moderate to secure the nomination and keep the train on the tracks until November. They could hammer on coronavirus, but also highlight Trump's numerous other failings.
Look at the 4 states I listed above. Trump won all of them by the skin of his dick. Democrats didn't even need to improve things with voters this time (hell, running Not Hillary was enough), they could flip all four based on a marginal decline in enthusiasm on Trump's side.
Before coronavirus, his most valued supporters were either ousted by White House power plays (Bannon, Sessions) or outright banned from public platforms (we have an entire e-celeb forum). I think the only reason Ann Coulter is permitted a twitter account is because she was critical of how he used her policies to win the election and then either failed to deliver on the wall, or fully u-turn on amnesty. These are all really important, and to lose just 1 cog means Trump lacked a viable path to victory.


Almost everything you said here is totally incorrect.

"All the Democrats had to do was get a moderate" --> they got a fake moderate who is obviously a controlled puppet. His senility is plain as day.

>highlight Trump's numerous other failings --> ???

and his coronavirus approval mainly lines up with his overall job approval. And those who "strongly disapprove" when it comes to coronavirus are under 50%.

>Democrats didn't even need to improve things with voters this time (hell, running Not Hillary was enough)

Nope, "Not Hillary" isn't enough when Hillary was more moderate than many 2020 D candidates and Biden has flaws that Hillary didn't have.

>Before coronavirus, his most valued supporters were either ousted by White House power plays (Bannon, Sessions) or outright banned from public platforms (we have an entire e-celeb forum).

Jeff Sessions isn't one of his most valued supporters. Sessions was a coward who utterly failed at his most basic duty. And which e-celebs being banned do you consider to be his most 'valued' supporters? Mike Enoch's crew of malcontents? LOL

>I think the only reason Ann Coulter is permitted a twitter account is because she was critical of how he used her policies to win the election and then either failed to deliver on the wall, or fully u-turn on amnesty.

Yes, it's possible that Ann is only allowed on because she's useful to the D's, but it's a mischaracterization that it was "her policies" that are responsible for him winning 2016. Being more hardline on immigration made him stand out, sure, but it wasn't the *only* thing. And you're propagating a lie by claiming he failed to deliver on the wall. There have literally been illegals dying because they fell off while trying to climb it. You're also propagating a lie by saying he supports amnesty.

Ann Coulter and the entire dissident right have proven themselves to be totally deluded useful idiots of the left over and over again. They're trying to be the Republican equivalent of the Green Party - technically right about the mainstream party they're siphoning votes from on some things, but go overboard in painting the aforementioned mainstream party as having "no difference" from the other one. And with Trump in office, it'd be like the Green Party trying to undermine Bernie's re-election.
 
All the Democrats had to do was get a moderate to secure the nomination and keep the train on the tracks until November.
If they had a sane moderate and could keep it together that long, they wouldn't be Democrats, now, would they?

I'm sorry, but your statement is basically equivalent to "If that schizophrenic could just control himself a little more..." Well he can't. That's what makes him a schizo.
 
As much of a faggot as Vaush and the left is, the "right wing equivalent" of this meme where you have wignats, extreme lolbertarians, mindless partisan Repubs, etc being juxtaposed against the "ACTUALLY EFFECTIVE RIGHTIST" is something I'd like to see made.

You may have seen some of them on Kiwifarms (that user Rand /pol/ is one) - the "blomf betrayed us by not building the wall and not nuking israel and not genociding all fags and nonwhites" crew.

Of course, the American left is more schismatic than the American right (thankfully, or we'd be fucked) so it's not as relevant as this meme is.





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^and keep in mind that Trump has won over the kinds of voters who went with Evan McMullin or Darrell Castle or Gary Johnson (see how the likes of Ben Shapiro and Glenn Beck are now on board). So it's not like all the ideological swings from 2016 to 2020 favor the left. There are also Hillary voters (quite a few nonwhites) who are now turned off by the left wing extremism they've seen in recent years (recent months in particular) who will either vote Trump this time (or if not Trump, then third party or abstain).

You do also have third party 2016 / abstain 2016 voters who will now vote Biden (see that faggot Amazing Atheist) but I'm confident we can more than balance those out while siphoning enough Hillary voters to win.
 
As much of a faggot as Vaush and the left is, the "right wing equivalent" of this meme where you have wignats, extreme lolbertarians, mindless partisan Repubs, etc being juxtaposed against the "ACTUALLY EFFECTIVE RIGHTIST" is something I'd like to see made.

You may have seen some of them on Kiwifarms (that user Rand /pol/ is one) - the "blomf betrayed us by not building the wall and not nuking israel and not genociding all fags and nonwhites" crew.

Of course, the American left is more schismatic than the American right (thankfully, or we'd be fucked) so it's not as relevant as this meme is.





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Ah yes the effective leftist.

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I am a little curious about New York state. I know Biden will win, but it's been trending red lately. It went from 63-35 in 2012 to 59-36 in 2016. That's a 5 point loss. I'd bet with the rioting, COVID bungling, and fleeing NYC, I wonder if it will be closer to 55-42/43. That would be a 10 point loss election to election.
 
If they had a sane moderate and could keep it together that long, they wouldn't be Democrats, now, would they?

I'm sorry, but your statement is basically equivalent to "If that schizophrenic could just control himself a little more..." Well he can't. That's what makes him a schizo.
I mean if Biden wasn't suffering from Dementia he'd be in a much more secure position, right? And the results from Super Tuesday clearly spelled out how, absent a reviled figure to rally against, Bernie's policies just can't win against a moderate within their party.
The Dems were pitching him as a generic D candidate with a 'return to normalcy'. He was even visibly standing in opposition to half of Bernie's platform. What they're suffering with now, even ignoring his mental state + Kamala, is how their platform is totally uninspiring to their base. Even if Biden promises to abolish college tuition, nobody will believe him. You remember 2016, right? How envigorated Trump's side was? Because they thought he could change things, and he hasn't. I see its because the Deep State and RINOs are hamstringing him, but its still inhibiting (there was a demoralising element at play in 2018 at least), meanwhile the DNC have the entire media apparatus on-side to push Generic D over the line.... before the riots, at least.

Almost everything you said here is totally incorrect.

"All the Democrats had to do was get a moderate" --> they got a fake moderate who is obviously a controlled puppet. His senility is plain as day.

>highlight Trump's numerous other failings --> ???

and his coronavirus approval mainly lines up with his overall job approval. And those who "strongly disapprove" when it comes to coronavirus are under 50%.

>Democrats didn't even need to improve things with voters this time (hell, running Not Hillary was enough)

Nope, "Not Hillary" isn't enough when Hillary was more moderate than many 2020 D candidates and Biden has flaws that Hillary didn't have.

>Before coronavirus, his most valued supporters were either ousted by White House power plays (Bannon, Sessions) or outright banned from public platforms (we have an entire e-celeb forum).

Jeff Sessions isn't one of his most valued supporters. Sessions was a coward who utterly failed at his most basic duty. And which e-celebs being banned do you consider to be his most 'valued' supporters? Mike Enoch's crew of malcontents? LOL

>I think the only reason Ann Coulter is permitted a twitter account is because she was critical of how he used her policies to win the election and then either failed to deliver on the wall, or fully u-turn on amnesty.

Yes, it's possible that Ann is only allowed on because she's useful to the D's, but it's a mischaracterization that it was "her policies" that are responsible for him winning 2016. Being more hardline on immigration made him stand out, sure, but it wasn't the *only* thing. And you're propagating a lie by claiming he failed to deliver on the wall. There have literally been illegals dying because they fell off while trying to climb it. You're also propagating a lie by saying he supports amnesty.

Ann Coulter and the entire dissident right have proven themselves to be totally deluded useful idiots of the left over and over again. They're trying to be the Republican equivalent of the Green Party - technically right about the mainstream party they're siphoning votes from on some things, but go overboard in painting the aforementioned mainstream party as having "no difference" from the other one. And with Trump in office, it'd be like the Green Party trying to undermine Bernie's re-election.
Trump staked his 2020 run on the economy, and its in the shitter, with 200k dead. That alone was enough for the Dems to run with.
As for e-celebs, how many were vocal Trump supporters in 2016 and have now since left the stage? Better yet, there were plenty pro-Bernie people that just wound up being anti-Hillary. I don't consider the Charlottesville crew particularly relevant, have they ever influenced policy? And I bring up Ann Coulter because she gave Trump a copy of Adios America in summer 2015, and then a couple weeks later he started lifting policy suggestions from it verbatim because the crowds cheered loudly enough when he floated the ideas.
When Trump isn't delivering the concrete Big Beautiful Wall, I'm calling it out-- underdelivery at best.
And when Trump horse-trades with Nancy Pelosi and Schumer over giving Amnesty in return for wall funding? I'm gonna call it out. It's hard to ignore. He's the president and he had a majority in both houses for 2 years, he shouldn't have to horse-trade if it means sacrificing a key campaign promise.

You can call his critics useful idiots, but it doesn't change the fact their ideas were crucial in getting him over the line. Bannon still carries water for him, yet Trump talks about him like he's a piece of shit on twitter. Again, I hope he wins, but before the riots I just couldn't conceive any way of that happening.
Also, which "moderate" were they supposed to get, exactly?

Are we looking at the field that got whittled down to Biden? Someone who didn't run that Registered Dem voters would have actually nominated? Give me a name. More than one would help.
None are coming to mind now, but somebody in the vein of Buttigieg would have sufficed. It's a big party. I'm sure there was a congressman or senator with loyalty to the party and, I dunno, a Latino grandparent they could have rallied the troops around.
The point I was trying to make was pre-riots, this election was the Democrats to win, to undo the shame of 2016, and to lock in the Rust Belt once and for all, and they fucked it up.
 
I am a little curious about New York state. I know Biden will win, but it's been trending red lately. It went from 63-35 in 2012 to 59-36 in 2016. That's a 5 point loss. I'd bet with the rioting, COVID bungling, and fleeing NYC, I wonder if it will be closer to 55-42/43. That would be a 10 point loss election to election.
That is interesting but, as someone who's barely ever been there, isn't it also filled with absolutely fucking insane retards and corruption?
 
That is interesting but, as someone who's barely ever been there, isn't it also filled with absolutely fucking insane retards and corruption?

"Upstate NY" is completely different than NYC. Upstate is everything not NYC because NYC is geographically the Southeastern tip of the state. NYC has 7 million people. Upstate NY has 10 million. And upstate has been getting much more purple lately.
 
There's so much I disagree with that it's not worth the effort to go point by point. But I will address this gem of yours:
None are coming to mind now
I can tell you have a leftist brain by this response. You propose a solution that you don't even know exists and it never dawns on you to first see if it exists before proposing it. Next time you say someone should do something, try knowing what that something is first.

"I'm sure there was..." Lol. So even widening your search to outside the people who ran, you still can't identify anyone in the party. By virtue of the fact this unknown, possibly non existent person did not run, you can conclude that they did not want to run or no such person exists. So what's your plan to make them run, if they even do exist?
 
"Upstate NY" is completely different than NYC. Upstate is everything not NYC because NYC is geographically the Southeastern tip of the state. NYC has 7 million people. Upstate NY has 10 million. And upstate has been getting much more purple lately.
Does NYC not basically decide everything regarding electoral votes for the state? I assume all of the NYC-types migrate from enough districts for that to be the case. I hope you're right as it'd be an amazing sight to behold but I am very dubious of it ever happening.
 
I am a little curious about New York state. I know Biden will win, but it's been trending red lately. It went from 63-35 in 2012 to 59-36 in 2016. That's a 5 point loss. I'd bet with the rioting, COVID bungling, and fleeing NYC, I wonder if it will be closer to 55-42/43. That would be a 10 point loss election to election.

Personally think that a few states are more in play due to the riots. Illinois had a GOP governor barely voted in 2015. If the riots/ Defund the Police shit gets rebuttled at the ballot box and enough joggers decide their tantrum satisfies them enough to not vote, this actually may be flipping states once thought impossible. Illinois is a gigantic longshot, but so was Michigan.
 
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