Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

Salt was used as a preservative in ancient times, so to be the "Salt of the Earth" meant that you would preserve civilization, which Christian monks did during the Fall of Rome when they tried to copy down as much of Rome's written works as they could. In the same vein, the Jedi preserve civilization in the form of the Republic, fighting to keep it standing. Buddhism meanwhile would eschew such earthly attachments, seeing things like civilization as fleeting and focusing more on achieving Nirvana and breaking the reincarnation cycle they're trapped in.

Those democratic countries that are Buddhist aren't necessarily the most fervent in terms of religiosity. In fact, many of them see Buddhism now as more of a philosophy than a religion. And the Shinto Priests were considered by other Buddhists even in their time to be more nationalistic than religious, since those priests saw the Emperor as some kind of god. Those pilots aren't dying for Buddha, they're dying for the Emperor.

Lucas only took aesthetics from other religions, but try as he might, most of the Jedi faith would be laughed off by eastern religions as too western and too Christian. To look at the Jedi way from the perspective of a Buddhist or a Taoist would elicit the same reaction, especially since Buddhist monks had wives and kids. The Dalai Lama was a polygamist, too. Whereas the Jedi in Lucas' films were strictly celibate, similar to Templars and clergy in Medieval Catholicism. And again, there's no reincarnation in the Jedi faith, that's more along the lines of what Sith do when more powerful Sith leave their old bodies for newer, younger ones. In eastern faiths, reincarnation is normal. In the Jedi religion, reincarnation is of the Dark Side, something only the Sith do. In the Jedi way, light has to be encouraged and darkness forsaken, whereas in eastern faiths like Buddhism and Taoism, light and dark have to be balanced with each other and both have to be accepted as natural.
This is fucking madness. You are just straight up making up bullshit so you can continue believing your fan theory.

Buddhists have never eschewed civilization because of their religion. Zen buddhist priests (not Shinto, which is a different religion) were considered wrong by other buddhists for the same reason a catholic thinks a baptist is wrong. That doesn't make them not buddhist. They didn't worship the emperor instead of Buddha, they thought the emperor was an incarnation of Buddha. And their level of religiosity means nothing - the US is purportedly Christian but the president fucked a porn star. The point is that Buddhism is not incompatible with democracy or dying for your country as you suggest.

And the fact that buddhists might laugh off the jedi religion as too western and Christian means nothing - a Christian would consider it too Eastern to the same degree. Do you think if you sat a buddhist priest and a christian priest down and made them watch star wars the buddhist would come away laughing at the silly space myth and the christian would start annotating his bible?
 
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This is fucking madness. You are just straight up making up bullshit so you can continue believing your fan theory.

Buddhists have never eschewed civilization because of their religion. Zen buddhist priests (not Shinto, which is a different religion) were considered wrong by other buddhists for the same reason a catholic thinks a baptist is wrong. That doesn't make them not buddhist. They didn't worship the emperor instead of Buddha, they thought the emperor was an incarnation of Buddha. And their level of religiosity means nothing - the US is purportedly Christian but the president fucked a porn star. The point is that Buddhism is not incompatible with democracy or dying for your country as you suggest.

And the fact that buddhists might laugh off the jedi religion as too western and Christian means nothing - a Christian would consider it too Eastern to the same degree. Do you think if you sat a buddhist priest and a christian priest down and made them watch star wars the buddhist would come away laughing at the silly space myth and the christian would start annotating his bible?
Why are you sperging out over this?

Edit: Particularly due to Buddhism not being too relevant for the Star Wars universe. According to Lucas balancing of the force is the light side eliminating the dark side, and the sith. Not balancing the dark and light as a ying yang thing. Granted, it's easy to misunderstand that since it wasn't explained in an airtight fashion and the EU has deconstructed this idea to explore balance as being a balance between dark and light, but still. In the movies Buddhism isn't relevant, at least as far as balance/ying,yang is concerned according to GL.
 
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This is fucking madness. You are just straight up making up bullshit so you can continue believing your fan theory.

Buddhists have never eschewed civilization because of their religion. Zen buddhist priests (not Shinto, which is a different religion) were considered wrong by other buddhists for the same reason a catholic thinks a baptist is wrong. That doesn't make them not buddhist. They didn't worship the emperor instead of Buddha, they thought the emperor was an incarnation of Buddha. And their level of religiosity means nothing - the US is purportedly Christian but the president fucked a porn star. The point is that Buddhism is not incompatible with democracy or dying for your country as you suggest.

And the fact that buddhists might laugh off the jedi religion as too western and Christian means nothing - a Christian would consider it too Eastern to the same degree. Do you think if you sat a buddhist priest and a christian priest down and made them watch star wars the buddhist would come away laughing at the silly space myth and the christian would start annotating his bible?

Depends. Buddhists with rival views would tell you that the other side isn't really Buddhist at all. Just as some Baptists will tell you that Catholics aren't Christian and some Catholics will tell you the opposite and that Baptists have no legitimacy to call themselves Christians. Also, some considered Buddha a separate deity, others considered Buddha only as an enlightened philosopher. Plus, Christianity never turned away sinners. If a former philanderer turns around and acts as a champion of the faith, that's nothing new.

Not really. In fact, Christian denominations like Catholicism see a lot of themselves in the Jedi. Jesuits even go so far as to claim Ignatius of Loyola was some kind of real-life Jedi Master, at least when it came to philosophy and zeal. And the Jesuits were the zealots of Catholicism, if you studied your early modern history, they were the smartest and most tenacious of Catholic Orders.

The Buddhist would be complaining to hell and back that there's no reincarnation in Star Wars and they got the Yin/Yang system wrong, whereas the Christian would know that many lessons Yoda and Kenobi mouth off have some semblance of familiarity with Biblical lessons.
 
This MF'er really did the whole “Say Her Name” bit with some woman who got blasted by Boba Fett in a comic.

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So some obnoxious new literally-who token character that Marvel solely created just to kill off for the sake of shock value, while creating some faux image of "look how much we care", is having its desired effect from nu-fans after being killed off via them getting all pissy and creating faux-controversy over this big wad of nothing character from a comic that's also relatively nothing but bad action scenes and Boba and Valance cameos? Free press for a dying comic all around!

Also here is a picture of the victim's "wife".
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This is Losh Losha. "Her" wife is dead. Please give pitty bucks so xhe can finally afford to transition. Seriously, this is feeling more like its being written and drawn by trolls or fellow Kiwis purposely trying to tank SW.
And speaking of Valance (one of the stars for this Disney comic)... for those who don't know, he is an old school ex-imperial bounty hunter character from the SW comics in the 70s who Disney brought back for some reason despite usually ignoring everything that came before them, but they altered his appearance to look even more like the T-800 from Terminator, probably to trick people into thinking these comics are a Terminator crossover and thus boost sales.
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Although the funny thing is that he predates Terminator by 6 years.
 
So some obnoxious new literally-who token character that Marvel solely created just to kill off for the sake of shock value, while creating some faux image of "look how much we care", is having its desired effect from nu-fans after being killed off via them getting all pissy and creating faux-controversy over this big wad of nothing character from a comic that's also relatively nothing but bad action scenes and Boba and Valance cameos? Free press for a dying comic all around!

Also here is a picture of the victim's "wife".
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This is Losh Losha. "Her" wife is dead. Please give pitty bucks so xhe can finally afford to transition. Seriously, this is feeling more like its being written and drawn by trolls or fellow Kiwis purposely trying to tank SW.

The fuck did they do with Aurra Sing?
 
So some obnoxious new literally-who token character that Marvel solely created just to kill off for the sake of shock value, while creating some faux image of "look how much we care", is having its desired effect from nu-fans after being killed off via them getting all pissy and creating faux-controversy over this big wad of nothing character from a comic that's also relatively nothing but bad action scenes and Boba and Valance cameos? Free press for a dying comic all around!

Also here is a picture of the victim's "wife".
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This is Losh Losha. "Her" wife is dead. Please give pitty bucks so xhe can finally afford to transition. Seriously, this is feeling more like its being written and drawn by trolls or fellow Kiwis purposely trying to tank SW.

Start a GoFundMe for Losha, and let's see if we can start a campaign to get LeBron to wear a jersey with T'Onga's name on it.
 
Why are you sperging out over this?

Edit: Particularly due to Buddhism not being too relevant for the Star Wars universe. According to Lucas balancing of the force is the light side eliminating the dark side, and the sith. Not balancing the dark and light as a ying yang thing. Granted, it's easy to misunderstand that since it wasn't explained in an airtight fashion and the EU has deconstructed this idea to explore balance as being a balance between dark and light, but still. In the movies Buddhism isn't relevant, at least as far as balance/ying,yang is concerned according to GL.
Because he's fucking wrong. I don't think jedis are like buddhists, I was explaining what buddhists think because he's spitting nonsense. He just explained a concept that I introduced to the conversation to me. He doesn't understand that the fact a baptist and a catholic might accuse each other of heresy is exactly my point. It's inter faith rivalry not a statement of fact. Zen buddhists were buddhists and, more importantly, George Lucas built star wars out of a variety of religions to make it alien but still relatable. He said he did. So imaginary conversations between Buddhists and Christians talking about how much they like or dislike star wars with regards to their faith don't need to be constructed.

Although really that should go without saying. You are on the internet, if you want to know what a buddhist thinks just ask one. There are a million articles on the net talking about how the principles of Buddhism apply to star wars. And even if we weren't on the internet, that would be a preposterous argument to put forward, completely preposterous. Why would I buy a hypothetical conversation between a buddhist and a christian from a man I have just been arguing about the principles of Buddhism with? Every bit of it is ridiculous.

Edit: I kind of got distracted, I probably should have addressed this to @LORD IMPERATOR
 
Because he's fucking wrong. I don't think jedis are like buddhists, I was explaining what buddhists think because he's spitting nonsense. He just explained a concept that I introduced to the conversation to me. He doesn't understand that the fact a baptist and a catholic might accuse each other of heresy is exactly my point. It's inter faith rivalry not a statement of fact. Zen buddhists were buddhists and, more importantly, George Lucas built star wars out of a variety of religions to make it alien but still relatable. He said he did. So imaginary conversations between Buddhists and Christians talking about how much they like or dislike star wars with regards to their faith don't need to be constructed. Although really that should go without saying. You are on the internet, if you want to know what a buddhist thinks just ask one. There are a million articles on the net talking about how the principles of Buddhism apply to star wars. And even if we weren't on the internet, that would be a preposterous argument to put forward, completely preposterous. Why would I buy a hypothetical conversation between a buddhist and a christian from a man I have just been arguing about the principles of Buddhism with? Every bit of it is ridiculous.
And yet you continue to engage in something you think is ridiculous on the internet. Keep on sperging if you want to, just strange is all.
 
Because he's fucking wrong. I don't think jedis are like buddhists, I was explaining what buddhists think because he's spitting nonsense. He just explained a concept that I introduced to the conversation to me. He doesn't understand that the fact a baptist and a catholic might accuse each other of heresy is exactly my point. It's inter faith rivalry not a statement of fact. Zen buddhists were buddhists and, more importantly, George Lucas built star wars out of a variety of religions to make it alien but still relatable. He said he did. So imaginary conversations between Buddhists and Christians talking about how much they like or dislike star wars with regards to their faith don't need to be constructed.

Although really that should go without saying. You are on the internet, if you want to know what a buddhist thinks just ask one. There are a million articles on the net talking about how the principles of Buddhism apply to star wars. And even if we weren't on the internet, that would be a preposterous argument to put forward, completely preposterous. Why would I buy a hypothetical conversation between a buddhist and a christian from a man I have just been arguing about the principles of Buddhism with? Every bit of it is ridiculous.

Edit: I kind of got distracted, I probably should have addressed this to @LORD IMPERATOR

Again, if you asked the people from those religions, they'd be complaining that their faiths weren't represented accurately. That's because as a westerner, Lucas knows more about Christianity than any other faith, whereas Buddhists, Hindus, and many other religions believe in reincarnation and don't believe in an eternal contest between light and dark, instead they believe light and dark are just two halves of a harmonious whole. Heck, I even saw an episode of some show where yes, they did admit that some SW concepts were taken from eastern religions, but they complained that those concepts were mangled to fit a more western point of view. So even from an eastern point of view, they'll be asking all sorts of things about why Star Wars doesn't have things like a reincarnation cycle or harmony between light and dark. Instead, people going to space heaven for dying while in communion with the Light and the Light vanquishing the Dark being the "Good" scenario all point to a Christian perspective, which just gets doubled down when Lucas' other films like two out of three Indiana Jones films were basically Bible Camp movies.
 
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Anyway...

Also for some reason Disney is making the Coca Cola carts at the SW park sell beer.

And these assholes suspect that the new Galaxy's Edge VR game's bar scene (the one with the fat nu-alien laughing at the miserable old aliens I discussed before) will be part of a new bar opening up in GE. Also what's with the extra emphasis on alcohol at GE? Are they that desperate for any activity?
 
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Also for some reason Disney is making the Coca Cola carts at the SW park sell beer.

And these assholes suspect that the new Galaxy's Edge VR game's bar scene (the one with the fat nu-alien laughing at the miserable old aliens I discussed before) will be part of a new bar opening up in GE. Also what's with the extra emphasis on alcohol at GE? Are they that desperate for any activity?
Epcot sells alcohol, its mot to big of a problem there is it is? Not sure how much traffic it brings to Epcot though so don't know how much it will get people in to GE. Really should have been OT based.
 
Again, if you asked the people from those religions, they'd be complaining that their faiths weren't represented accurately. That's because as a westerner, Lucas knows more about Christianity than any other faith, whereas Buddhists, Hindus, and many other religions believe in reincarnation and don't believe in an eternal contest between light and dark, instead they believe light and dark are just two halves of a harmonious whole. Heck, I even saw an episode of some show where yes, they did admit that some SW concepts were taken from eastern religions, but they complained that those concepts were mangled to fit a more western point of view. So even from an eastern point of view, they'll be asking all sorts of things about why Star Wars doesn't have things like a reincarnation cycle or harmony between light and dark. Instead, people going to space heaven for dying while in communion with the Light and the Light vanquishing the Dark being the "Good" scenario all point to a Christian perspective, which just gets doubled down when Lucas' other films like two out of three Indiana Jones films were basically Bible Camp movies.
What the fuck are you talking about they'd be complaining their faiths aren't represented accurately?! Does it represent Christianity accurately? No, I'm pretty sure if I believe in jesus I won't be able to push things with my mind. How is that an argument?

On top of that you are still arguing with me like I'm saying jedis are buddhist when my position from the start has been that Lucas borrowed from many religions, and I have said at least three times now. You said articles explaining how star wars reflects the principles of Christianity were proof Christians all think star wars is a bible story. You said that. By that logic, articles explaining how star wars reflects the principles of Buddhism prove the same thing about Buddhism. Do you see? I still don't care about Buddhism, I feel its necessary to say.
 
What the fuck are you talking about they'd be complaining their faiths aren't represented accurately?! Does it represent Christianity accurately? No, I'm pretty sure if I believe in jesus I won't be able to push things with my mind. How is that an argument?

On top of that you are still arguing with me like I'm saying jedis are buddhist when my position from the start has been that Lucas borrowed from many religions, and I have said at least three times now. You said articles explaining how star wars reflects the principles of Christianity were proof Christians all think star wars is a bible story. You said that. By that logic, articles explaining how star wars reflects the principles of Buddhism prove the same thing about Buddhism. Do you see? I still don't care about Buddhism, I feel its necessary to say.

It kinda does represent Christianity accurately. The Balance of the Force is the lack of Darkness, not balancing Dark and Light, just as in the same vein that the ideal state of being for Christians is the lack of sin and the presence of God's grace, not balancing the two. Also, did Christ not say that those with the faith the size of a mustard seed can move mountains? Star Wars just took that literally, when Yoda showed Luke how a lack of faith made him fail to move the X-Wing.

My argument was that Star Wars has way too much Christianity in its DNA to accurately represent any other faith, especially with its approach to the Dark/Light system being diametrically opposed to the Yin/Yang system which seeks to accept and balance the two, and of course, there's no Jedi reincarnation. That ironically is the purview of the Sith, which makes something that is natural to the Buddhist and many eastern faiths into something only the bad guys can do. Quotes such as "once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny" rings hollow in the Buddhist way and many other eastern faiths, where reincarnation is a thing and you can always get another life to break free of that dark influence. At most, Star Wars only took aesthetic elements from other faiths, while the Jedi faith is too Christian and western for eastern religious concepts to truly apply. Concepts like balancing out Yin and Yang and reincarnation fly in the face of Jedi teachings and metaphysics, where balance in the Force means a lack of darkness, and reincarnation is naught but a silly superstition in the eyes of the Jedi.
 
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Epcot sells alcohol, its mot to big of a problem there is it is? Not sure how much traffic it brings to Epcot though so don't know how much it will get people in to GE. Really should have been OT based.
Epcot does sell alcohol, but by comparison GE is a tiny thing and initially the only place you could get alcohol was at the fat tranny's bar, but now they have liquor around every corner and in every store, even the kiddy soymilk stand now sells spiked fruity soymilk (which some parents were even giving to their kids), even in places where lines would be if they existed. You can't walk two feet without running into some beer. I mean, are they aware that kids hardly go to this place and its just a bunch alcoholic Karens, soy-addled college students and pizza-faced 40 year olds all looking to get shitfaced?
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It feels like they're desperately trying to pander to the one area they've seen any profits in within the park considering the overpriced food and merch hardly sells.
 
You might as well say Star Wars is Jewish since being based on the Western monomyth (which has Old Testament/Jewish influence in it) doesn't make it Christian. The Buddhist influence in Star Wars is obvious and all the Christians I knew pointed it out. It's superficially Christian in the way a ton of stories are since they're written in a Western cultural context.

Lucas himself claimed to interested in both Christianity and Buddhism, I'm pretty sure he isn't any more devout in Christianity than Oprah Winfrey or other new age-y sorts of Christians are. The science fiction and Hollywood circles Lucas traveled in were deeply steeped in Eastern mysticism/New Age and Lucas's inspiration Joseph Campbell most certainly did not practice or advocate what most Christians would call Christianity.

Here's the obvious counter-argument. There is a "Messiah" (Luke, or even Anakin) figure but that's only within the context of the narrative. You don't trust in Anakin/Luke to be "saved" and go to the afterlife, and they didn't even devise the way to become a Force ghost. You aren't intended to believe either Jedi is anything more than a good example as to what a Jedi should be. Yes, the "Chosen One", but given how Lucas approved of storylines like Dark Empire and many other EU storylines, it's much easier to think of Anakin and Luke as just great men.
 
You might as well say Star Wars is Jewish since being based on the Western monomyth (which has Old Testament/Jewish influence in it) doesn't make it Christian. The Buddhist influence in Star Wars is obvious and all the Christians I knew pointed it out. It's superficially Christian in the way a ton of stories are since they're written in a Western cultural context.

Lucas himself claimed to interested in both Christianity and Buddhism, I'm pretty sure he isn't any more devout in Christianity than Oprah Winfrey or other new age-y sorts of Christians are. The science fiction and Hollywood circles Lucas traveled in were deeply steeped in Eastern mysticism/New Age and Lucas's inspiration Joseph Campbell most certainly did not practice or advocate what most Christians would call Christianity.

Here's the obvious counter-argument. There is a "Messiah" (Luke, or even Anakin) figure but that's only within the context of the narrative. You don't trust in Anakin/Luke to be "saved" and go to the afterlife, and they didn't even devise the way to become a Force ghost. You aren't intended to believe either Jedi is anything more than a good example as to what a Jedi should be. Yes, the "Chosen One", but given how Lucas approved of storylines like Dark Empire and many other EU storylines, it's much easier to think of Anakin and Luke as just great men.

Except the whole arc of the OT was the redemption of a sinful man, which basically makes it as Christian as Bible Camp. The Buddhist influence only goes so far as cosmetics, whereas the deeper aspects of Buddhism such as the reincarnation cycle does not exist in Star Wars outside of really powerful Sith body-hopping from one meatbag to the next, while the metaphysics of the Force is something no Buddhist, Taoist, or Confucian would accept, since the Star Wars view is that balance is the lack of darkness, which the Yin/Yang concept diametrically opposes since in that system, light and dark has to have an equal, balanced presence within you. Not to mention that you go to Space Heaven by being in full communion with the Light, whereas some parts of Jewish religion don't even believe in a heaven (Sadducees). If Star Wars was strictly Jewish, Darth Vader would have been executed for betraying his friends and killing children, since the Old Testament is very harsh and punitive towards lawbreakers and criminals. You'd have a Jewish-looking Mace Windu come back from the dead in ROTJ to lop off Vader and Sidious' heads while saying "And you will know that my name is The LORD, when I lay my vengeance upon you" as Sidious' and Vader's heads roll on the floor.

Again, anyone who is even remotely familiar with eastern faiths would be laughing at Lucas' attempt at reconstructing them in the Jedi way. There's way too much western Christian thinking present that the eastern mysticism aspects are just surface-level aesthetics. From a Buddhist or a Taoist standpoint, Anakin should have been allowed to use the Dark Side, because Dark and Light are meant to be balanced, whereas the Christian standpoint would suggest that wrath and negative emotions be avoided, a lesson God tried to teach Cain in Genesis before the latter killed his brother, and a lesson that the New Testament tries to teach with the whole "love thy enemies" ideology. Buddhism and Judaism would have no problems having sinners executed for their crimes, whereas the main lesson of ROTJ is forgiveness and redemption. The fact that the Jedi way has no room for reincarnation is also another mark against SW being primarily about eastern faiths, since reincarnation is a concept accepted across many eastern faiths like Buddhism and Hinduism. It's as common as water is to them, and it's nowhere in Star Wars outside of the purview of some really powerful Sith who go body-hopping now and then.

Anakin is more along the lines of Hercules, not Jesus, because if he were the latter, he'd be so perfect the Jedi Council would be green with envy like the Sanhedrin. Instead, Anakin is a strong but flawed man, half-demigod, half-sinner, who was prophesied to save them from a great evil, but due to him entertaining negative emotions and being selfish and greedy, ends up destroying himself in the process and has to be redeemed in order to achieve his goal.
 
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I honestly love arguing and sperging, but could you guys keep the word clutter down? Anyway...

Mantid News:

1: Well looks like Disney finally alienated what was left of the feminist crowd that Kennedy tried so hard to bring over to SW. Related to @Commander X's posts about the dead space lesbians.
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#swhateswomen has been gaining a lot of traction today. Looks like the lesbo death and the Aphra clickbait was the last straw.
Now they're being extra critical of how shit IX was and how stupid Rey's character is and appreciating pre-Disney stuff (which is a double edged blade...), among other things, instead of simply shitting on Disney Wars beforehand for obviously being shit, but now they give a shit about how shit it is because of politics. Now the radfems are in an exceptional debate with disneycucks (many of whom unsurprisingly have tranny flags since it seems like the feud between neofems and troons is a constant) and the "anti-sjws" who suck mouse cock are crying foul because they're on a political crusade and also because the radfems are shitting on IX along with the golden calf waifus Ahsoka and Rey.

Its retardation all around. But it goes to show that even within the nu-fanbase there is zero stability. But expect news articles to not talk about this and only talk about toxic russian bot manbabies out to ruin SW.

2: In a desperate attempt to salvage IX, Marvel comics' upcoming Vader issue (after Vader's dealing with Padme's double and that one Naboo pilot from TPM in the same week of coincidences) Vader will now supposedly be meeting Ochi or Ocho, the ugly green dude who's gonna kill Rey's parents. Oh boy... more cameos and more attempts at salvaging this trainwreck.
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And they're going to Mustafar again because that's one of only 26 planets in the universe now.

3: https://www.esquire.com/entertainme...e-of-skywalker-sith-dagger-worst-moment-fans/
Plan IX's mcguffin Goonies dagger (which makes no sense on any level) was voted the most retarded moment in the entire SW franchise.
 
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