I suppose that's the official explanation for the character shift. Jango got older, and getting his people killed at Galidraan made him more of a loner and more tactical as opposed to a hothead that makes Leeroy Jenkins look like Sun Tzu.
No. Blackman's work made Vader and Jango look rather idiotic. Vader, as he was characterized in the films and the many EU works about him, would surely have made a move on Sidious with Starkiller, especially since Starkiller is the kind of guy who can pull down Star Destroyers. He would at least use the guy to distract Sidious then shove a lightsaber at the Emperor's back while Starkiller takes the brunt of the Emperor's wrath. Heck, the opportunity was there when Starkiller was holding back the Emperor's Force Lightning: Vader could have thrown an ignited lightsaber at the Emperor's back while the Emperor focused all his strength to kill Starkiller, and boom! Vader becomes Emperor while the two Sith who are stronger than him die in one swift stroke. Instead, Vader kept simping for the guy who wanted Starkiller to kill him. The same goes for Jango-no Mandalorian with more than two brain cells to rub would engage a detachment of Jedi in an open battlefield. Guerilla hit and runs and ambushes perhaps, or maybe luring them to a well-designed sniping ground where the Mandalorians have the high ground and the Jedi can be attacked from 360 degrees, but not in an open field where the Jedi have the advantage. It made Vader look like a coward and Jango look like a fool.
Vader wanted to be Emperor since day 1 of the Empire. He even described the Empire as his to Obi-Wan. Also, Vader as a Sith believed in the Sith philosophy, so much so that he wanted to spread it to his son and he wanted every Force-sensitive who served him to embrace the Dark Side. When the Jensaarai leader's son went to help Vader hunt down the Jedi, Vader sensed the Light Side in the boy and struck him down where he stood.
Not when the enemy incurred more casualties. Jango's unit had 100% casualties, which is more than Dooku's 50%. That means the latter wrecked the former, not the other way around. Dooku still had a unit, when Jango did not.
Windu kept holding off droid fire better compared to the other Jedi. Also, Jango was rather tactical with his battle with Obi-Wan, nowhere near as hot-headed as attacking Dooku and his Jedi head-first. At least he picked on ONE Jedi in the middle of a chaotic battlefield while all the other Jedi were distracted by droids.
No. My view of Lucas' universe concerning the movies is accurate. Far more accurate than yours, it seems, since Lucas never let the Mandos win a fair fight against Jedi. Either it's surprise kills, a draw, or getting killed by Jedi or blind men. If people's perceptions of the Mandos centered only on Lucas' movies, they'd get nothing but failure and greed as a picture of the proud warrior race. Which is the exact opposite picture YOU paint of it.
Yes, and power levels are the author's way of saying who will win or lose most of the time.
That's because Kenobi won by a fluke like he did with Maul. All throughout the duel with Anakin, he was the one falling back, which meant that Anakin was winning that duel until that fateful jump where he suddenly lost all sense, the same way Maul lost all sense when Kenobi jumped him in TPM. But the films made a good showing of how both Anakin and Maul were better duelists than Kenobi-Maul killed Kenobi's master and sent Kenobi tumbling into a pit, while Anakin casually killed Dooku, something Kenobi couldn't do in a million years. Also, Anakin wasn't fully trained by the Jedi at all. "I know there are things about the Force they're not telling me!" he says. Does that sound like "fully trained" to you?
Compared to Anakin, Kenobi and Yoda were portrayed to be more sympathetic since they cared about democracy, the Republic, and all that jazz, whereas Anakin couldn't care less about democracy. Lucas even made Anakin less sympathetic by turning him into a child-killing psychopath, when mind-tricking the Jedi younglings to sleep and delivering them to Palpatine to be made into Dark-Side servants would have done enough to make Anakin look evil without going overboard. Even as a Darth Vader fan, I felt that Lucas was vilifying the character too much by having him literally kill children TWICE in one trilogy.
Jedi dogma holds all life sacred. Even Bastila Shan in KOTOR states that "Jedi hold all life sacred, even that of a Sith Lord." Luke believed in that, and used that ideology to justify saving Vader because there's still good in him. Kenobi and Yoda wanted to forgo usual Jedi ideology regarding the enemy and wanted Luke to act like the Old Testament Angel of Death towards the Sith. So no, Luke was more of a Jedi dogmatist than Yoda or Ben Kenobi were by the time of ROTJ. They wanted a mafia hitman, Luke wanted to redeem Vader to the Light. Tell me, which side is more loyal to the Jedi Code?
Lucas never portrayed greyness as positive. His idea of balance in the Force is the absence of Darkness, not a balance between dark and light. So no, Lucas' ideas on the Dark Side and the Jedi's matches.
Everyone was blind to Sidious' machinations. Even other Sith, Senators, and everyone. He was just portrayed to be a 4-D Chess Player.
And did you? At most, you have ONE quote, which contradicts nothing of what I said here, just that the Jedi were being corrupted by the war, which was inevitable considering that if they didn't fight, robber barons that were Sith pawns would utterly crush the Republic and hold the galaxy as their playground. And again, Lucas' portrayal of the Jedi as heroes stands in stark contrast of his portrayal of the Mandos as greedy, amoral scum. And again, every enemy the Jedi have in the films is evil, one way or another:
The Sith: power-hungry bastards who start wars and kill trillions to amass more power for themselves.
Mandalorians: Greedy, amoral scum who will attack innocents like Han Solo and Padme Amidala for the right price.
Confederacy of Independent Systems: greedy amoral corporate thugs who plan to hold the Republic hostage with a large robot army and a planet-killing space station they were building.
The Empire: Space Nazis who kill innocents like Luke's foster parents. The Empire took the planet-busting space station of the old Confederacy and blew up a planet just to show a point.
Plus, there's this clip of Lucas mouthing off Jedi philosophy as if it was his own personal philosophy:
0:55 "You got the Dark Side, the Light Side. One is Selfless, one is Selfish, and you want to keep them in balance. What happens when you go to the Dark Side is that it goes out of balance, and you get really selfish and you forget about everybody. Ultimately you lead yourself, because when you get selfish you get stuff, or you want stuff. And when you want stuff and you get stuff, then you get afraid that someone is gonna take it away from you, whether it's a person, or a thing, or a particular pleasure or experience. Once you become afraid that someone is going to take it away from you, that you're going to lose it, then you start to become angry, especially if you're losing it. And that anger, leads to hate. And hate leads to suffering, mostly on the part of the person who is selfish, because you spent all your time being afraid of losing everything you've got, instead of actually living. For joy, by giving to other people, you can't think about yourself, and therefore there is no pain, but the pleasure factor of greed and selfishness is a short-lived experience. Therefore you're constantly trying to replenish it. But of course, the more you replenish it, the harder it is to keep upping the ante. You're actually afraid of having the pain of not having the joy. So that is ultimately the core of the whole Dark Side, Light Side of the Force. And everything flows from that.
Obviously the Sith are always unhappy, because they never get enough of anything they want. Mostly, their selfishness centers around power and control, and the struggle is always to be able to let go of all that stuff. And of course that's the problem with Anakin ultimately is. You're allowed to love people, but not possess them, and what he did was that he fell in love, married her, became jealous, and then he saw in his visions that she was going to die. He couldn't stand losing her. So in order to not lose her, he made a pact with the devil, to be able to become all powerful. But of course when he did that, she didn't want to have anything to do with her anymore, so he lost her. Once you were powerful, being able to bring her back from the dead, well if I can do that, I can be emperor of the universe, I can do whatever I want. And once you do that, you're never be satiated. You'll always be consumed by this drive and desire to have more stuff, and be afraid that others are going to take it away from you. And of course they are. Every time you get two Sith together, you have a master, you have the apprentice, and the apprentice is always trying to recruit another apprentice, to join with them, to kill the master. And the master knows, basically everyone below him wants his job. Only overcoming the Dark Side, you need discipline, the Dark Side is pleasure, biological, temporary, and easy to achieve. The Light Side is joy, everlasting, and difficult to achieve. You have to overcome laziness, give up quick pleasures, and overcome fear, which leads to hate. Amen. Now let us pray."
So basically, Lucas is the Jedi supremacist here. He describes the Jedi way of seeing things as the hard way that leads to real joy, where you let go of selfishness and you get real, everlasting power, even though it's difficult to achieve. The Sith way is the quick and easy way, biological, temporary, and easy to achieve, but you end up being consumed by fear and pain, and you'll never be happy. And I'm pretty sure he's not gonna be that supportive of some mercenary cult who does everything for pay, for wealth and quick pleasure. Instead, the heroes he wants are the ones who let go of their earthly desires and feel joy from helping others, letting themselves and their selfishness go. Who does that sound like? Oh wait, it sounds like that one group of warriors who forgo pleasure and emotion for the greater good and find joy in serving others. It sounds a lot like THE JEDI.
Darth Vader and other Sith figures disagree. Same with the Jedi merch that flew off the shelves during the Clone Wars era. Fett is nowhere near as iconic as Vader and Luke ever were. We got only ONE GAME with a Fett as a main character, and maybe we can count Republic Commando because its main character is a clone of Fett who has mostly the same personality, yet whole piles of games exist where Jedi are the main characters. And the most beloved SW games are Jedi simulators where people go buck-wild with the Force, including Battlefront II classic where OP Jedi and Sith heroes tore apart the battlefield. Gee, I wonder why..........
The TOR-Tanic game also portrayed Mandos as easy prey, not only for Jedi and Sith, but for average Joe Schmoe smugglers, grunts, intel operatives, and bounty hunters who are/are not Mandos. There was even that one part in the Bounty Hunter storyline after the Great Hunt where Mandalorian warriors impotently stare at you as you killed a monster that they all failed to kill. So if anything, they made the Jedi even more powerful, since the one player character who saves EVERYONE in the story is the Jedi Knight who stops the Sith Emperor from going all Broly and destroying the galaxy. Everyone else could have succeeded or died, but it was the Jedi Knight character who saved everyone, including the damn Mandalorians.
Also, Ahsoka merch flew real fast whenever I saw them. People couldn't gobble up enough merch about that orange Jedi waifu of Filoni's. Down to the point where she had TWO SHOWS whereas the Mandos only have one. Now that's what I call "Market Value."
Name me ONE character in the films who objected to the use of clones because it was slavery. ONE. The only reason the Senate was hesitant was because they didn't want to start a war, but once they got Kenobi's message that Dooku was building an army, they approved of Palpatine drafting clones into the Grand Army of the Republic faster than you can say "I love Democracy."
If Mace killed Sidious and his friends in the Senate outed the man as a Sith Lord, Sidious would be in no place to issue Order 66 because he'd be DEAD.
But Trebor came there to kill Dooku, not Jango. But when Mace came for Jango, it wasn't even a fight. Even with Jango's fight with Kenobi, Kenobi had Slave 1 to contend with as well, and for a man fighting a super soldier and a starship at the same time, he did rather well, securing a respectable draw and getting the chance to follow Jango to his master.
Samuel L. Jackson approached Lucas and told him that he would not play the character if he dies like a chump. Also, Lucas and Jackson both agree that Windu was still alive after Episode III:
"
Samuel L Jackson says he believes his
Star Wars character Mace Windu could be seen in future films, despite apparently being killed off in
Revenge Of The Sith. Having appeared in all three films of the prequel trilogy, Jedi leader Windu has his arm severed by Anakin Skywalker before being killed by
Darth Sidious as he’s pushed over a high fall. But, with several
Star Wars characters being brought back into the saga, Jackson has said there is no reason why Windu couldn’t be seen again. He t
old Entertainment Weekly: 'Of course he’s still alive. Jedi can fall from amazing distances, and there’s a long history of one-handed Jedi. So why not?' Jackson added that
George Lucas agrees with his theory, saying: 'I told him my thoughts and George was ‘I’m OK with that. You can be alive.'"
So it seems that your theory about Lucas having Boba kill Mace is bullshit, when even Lucas and Jackson both agree that Windu is still alive, out there somewhere. Maybe he got killed by Vader after Order 66. Maybe he just retired somewhere and left the Jedi life. But the idea that Boba can kill Mace was something Lucas threw away without a second thought.
Jango was still in battle condition after getting run over by a rhino since his armor protected him. Only his jetpack malfunctioned as a result.
Source? After all, Lucas and Jackson both agree that Windu can survive the fucking Emperor blasting him with lightning. How can a man who can survive the Emperor be killed by a guy who can't even take out a blind man?
No, you're the one who doesn't understand context. Especially when Lucas' own philosophy matches that of the Jedi, as the quote above attests.
Uh, source? At most, Boba was preparing to aim at Luke, but what's to say Luke wouldn't deflect it like any other shot aimed at him? And later on in Dark Empire, Fett chickens out against two Dark Jedi who aren't even worthy of Luke's attention when they attempt to choke him and make him work for free.
Showing familial affection doesn't always mean sympathy. Especially since Jango was portrayed to be the kind of guy who would kill a peace-loving senator for the money. That's not morally grey, that's fucking evil. Fett Jr. could be explained as morally grey since he's just working for the feds, but Jango was trying to kill a servant of the state who was genuinely fighting for peace. That cannot be explained away as "not good or evil." Even the Imperials describe bounty hunters as "scum" because they'd do anything for money, which means they have greed in their hearts. Last I checked, greed isn't a neutral element, it's one of the Seven Deadly Sins.
As I said before, Demagol was one of Mandalore's close aides, which means he'd have access to elite soldiers. Also, name me one person in Demagol's prison who was a Jedi Master. Not to mention that later on Zayne Carrick, a failure of a Padawan, basically proves himself to be the good version of Komari Vosa by defeating Mandalorians himself.
Rohlan also is a deserter who hasn't had contact with Mandalore once the Jedi participation in the Mandalorian Wars began to heat up. At most, he would only be right in the early stages because Demagol wanted test subjects, but once the Jedi entered in full, the tide of the war turned against the Mandalorians horribly, as Canderous himself attests. And of course, Canderous is a more reliable source of info, what with him being a high-ranking Mando who owned his own sub-section of Clan Ordo after winning a battle against the Althiri.
Not necessarily. Zayne gets his candy ass kicked a lot in the comics. And even he still trounces Mandos like it's nothing.
No, that is in the story for the Old Republic. The Hunter came from OUTSIDE the Mandalorian ranks, and he/she consistently takes out targets the Mandos in general are too weak to kill, like that beast in Dromund Kaas or Jedi Master Kellian Jarro, the Mandalorian Killer.
The Hunter becoming a Mandalorian was more ceremonial than anything. They didn't report to any clan, nor did they help the Mandalorians when the war officially kicked off. It's just nothing but sentimentality, and not being a Mando doesn't change things that much outside of one of the Grand Champions laughing about it because she wanted to see Mandalore squirm. Also, the Mandalorians didn't try to shelter the Hunter when they needed aid. It was the Sith who gave sanctuary to and employed the Hunter when the Jedi and the Republic tried to slander and destroy them.
So? Anyone who's tough enough can also join the Republic Special Forces, Imperial Intelligence, organizations that have a better track record than the Mandalorians when it comes to killing Jedi or Sith. The Jedi feared Imperial Intelligence agents as much as they feared the Sith, and Darth Baras describes the Republic War Trust Generals who employed special forces soldiers as "the Empire's most accomplished adversaries." The Mandalorians are hardly unique in that regard. Also, being more discriminating means the Jedi get the 1% of the 1%, the best of the best, which is why the Jedi player characters were insanely powerful; one struck down a thousand-year-old Emperor, the other has their own Rift Alliance that practically makes them the good version of Count Dooku. At most, the Mandalorian version of the Hunter has a tiny bit of pull among the Mandos and some good PR from the Sith thanks to Darth Tormen.
Zym was never portrayed to be the strongest, but Orgus Din was clearly a better fighter than Braden.
And yet Mandos get dropped by Jedi characters all the time. For a race of Jedi killers, they provide scant opposition to Jedi players. It's not like in KOTOR where they really were a challenge to the player in the early Jedi levels. Republic players can take out a whole Mando boarding party in the first Republic flashpoint, Esseles. WITH OR WITHOUT THE FORCE. Forget Jedi-killers, they couldn't even make it past souped-up pirates and Republic grunts!
Even before Malachor V, the Jedi were repeatedly handing the Mandalorians their ass on a plate. And that five-to-one advantage is mitigated by the fact that Republic troops have subpar blasters and armor, and yet they still won. According to HK-47, Malachor V served a double-purpose: Revan wanted to kill off Jedi and Republic troops who were more loyal to the Council and the Republic than they were to him, and the Mandalorians. It wasn't so much a hollow victory as Revan cleaning the table of potential traitors and Mandos at the same time. If he wanted to, he could have done as he had on Dxun and eradicated the Mandalorians through sheer strength alone, especially since he was already crushing the Mandos repeatedly during the war. Malachor V wasn't the Jedi's first victory against the Mandalorians, but just the culmination of them slapping the Mandos around like nerds in high school being slapped around by jocks.
Jango openly said that the Jedi "killed them all." He was also described as a "subject-less" Mandalore. So either a majority of the warrior-class died that day, or many deserted him after his idiotic maneuver. If he was still Mandalore of a healthy Mando populace, he could have gathered more troops to himself after breaking out of slavery, and he'd start the Bounty Hunter game commanding Mandalorian clans.
T-Canon only became separate from the rest of canon after the Disney buyout, which took place in 2012, during Season 4 of TCW.
People = Everyone
What numbers? All you need to do is ask around people who only watched the films. And all the people who keep wondering what's so special about Boba and Jango Fett when all they've done is lose in the movies. Geez, even I had to explain to these people that the Fetts and the Mandos did more than just lose to the good guys in humiliating ways.
Game mechanics aren't canon, but Force powers are. And again, so is all that lore from those works that are practically Jedi power fantasies.
No, I like Canderous because A) he's not a sore loser about losing to Jedi, and B) he can kill Sith for a living. That's ten times better than Traviss' Mandos who fantasize about being better than the Jedi, but can't prove it in the battlefield.
Except I wasn't talking about Fett, I was talking about the legions of Mandalorians who fought before Boba Fett. Be they the True Mandalorians or the Neo-Crusaders who had access to Beskar. And yet they still got killed. Probably because just like in real life, there is no such thing as an invincible armor. All the enemy has to do is hit you harder and your armor breaks. Knights learned that the hard way when crossbowmen poked holes in plate armor. So too do modern soldiers learn it as well, when bulletproof armor can get pierced by armor-piercing rounds. Similarly, blasters can range from guns that disable people to outright disintegrators, with the ESB novel having an example of a probe droid vaporizing a wampa with a blaster, so it's no surprise that some blasters can punch through beskar, and some Jedi can swing a lightsaber hard enough to punch through beskar as well. There was even one part in TCW where Grievous hits Kenobi so hard, to the point where despite the fact that Kenobi blocked it with a phrik staff, the staff broke. Lightsaber-resistant doesn't mean "invincible to lightsabers." It just means the Jedi has to swing harder. Jedi Outcast's Shadow Troopers and Force Unleashed's Purge Troopers both have cortosis armor, but a Jedi swinging hard enough with a lightsaber can still kill them.
Mandalorians regularly made armor out of beskar, but still died to lightsaber and blaster bolts. They just had more resistance to said attacks, but they weren't the equivalent of Super Mario with an invincibility star.
Er, no. The depiction of the CIS leaders is not irrelevant at all. It depicted them as objectively evil, and no force for justice would ignore them as a threat. Even though the Jedi were being corrupted by the war, they still had to fight because if they didn't, these greedy assholes would screw over the galaxy. And they were even retconned to be responsible for the Death Star, so they're definitely not good guys at all.
So what, Jedi can never go to war? What, was Luke supposed to defeat the Emperor with diplomacy in the OT? Give me a break.
My quote still stands. Mandalore was decimated by the Vong War, although it was a blessing in disguise since it exposed more beskar deposits for mining.
1000 years of war between Sith Lords killing each other for galactic control didn't kill trillions? I'm sure they did more damage than the Vong since they had 1000 years to kill each other and they plunged the galaxy into a Dark Age.
The Legacy Era comics showed that the Mandos got their asses kicked by the Fel Empire. So they weren't that strong as they were in say, the Mandalorian Wars era.
