2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

[Kane Lives]

lol what finances. The DNC is perpetually broke. Why do you think their Convention looked like it was put together by a high school film club? Because that was literally all they could afford. They have no ground game at all and their structural organization is a total fiasco, staffed completely by unpaid interns, the family of various congressmen, and geriatric boomers. Alot of this is Clintons fault. She and Bill didn't want the DNC to be a rival power structure to their own patronage network, and made it so that there was no daylight between the Clinton Foundation and the DNC since the 90's.

All through the Bush years they carefully neutered the institution so that when 2008 rolled around it would be just one big coronation for Hilldawg. But then Obama crashed into it. He was supposed to be their golden child "up and comer", but the ego of the man could not be contained. He decided he could be President in 2008, and so he built his own grass roots organization to finance and prop him up. Say what you will about Obama, the dude had a great ground game and was brilliant at organizing a political campaign. You could tell in 2008 Clinton was completely unprepared for dealing with an attack from outside her carefully crafted ivory tower.

Of course, she didn't take the right lessons from this. So all through the Obama years the DNC was deliberately broken down into irrelevancy. Obama didn't trust it because he knew it was an extension of his principle political rival within the party, and Clinton didn't want to let go of the leash because it was her turn damn it! This is bad because one of the principle duties of a sitting President is to campaign on behalf of his party. Getting donations rolling in, supporting candidates down ballot. Etc. Obama didn't do this though. What donations he raked in as President went into his personal warchest, not the DNC. Which was Clintons personal war chest. This meant the down ballot of the Democratic Party got absolutely eviscerated over the Obama years. But this was fine for Hillary. Because going into 2016 the outcome was predetermined. She was going to be the Nominee, and President. All that sacrifice and damage to the structure of the party would be worth it, and as President she could finally get around to rebuilding the DNC into something resembling a functional institution.

But then she lost. Which meant no sitting President to help get things back on track. Which meant a totally dysfunctional (by design) institution had 4 years to get its act together and challenge an incumbent President. Something they clearly failed to do. The flailing incompetents at the DNC (who again, were put there by design) are stuck in their base NPC programming loop and simply held another sham Primary. They also have no idea how to make money for the party, beyond desperate begging.

Curious, then, that the RNC did not go through this process of institutional collapse, given how Obama had 8 years as well.

Was it because the Bushes were less power-hungry? I mean, Jeb was one of the candidates for 2016 too.

 

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Didn't SCOTUS recently say faithless electors are unconstitutional?

I thought all they said was that states were allowed to punish them?

 

[jje100010001]

I have no idea about Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, I do think Ohio is very likely to go to Trump but it's always a swing state. Florida is another perpetual swing state but it also is one of the hardest hit states by COVID-19.

[...], and I also think New York flipping red is very optimistic at the absolute best but I can see the GOP getting over the 40% threshold because of how bad Cuomo fucked the state and how bad NYC got battered by the pandemic and the subsequent riots.

Unless the voter turnout is extremely depressed within the wider NYC area and the voter base is extremely energized upstate, I do not think New York will be able to flip red. Same goes for the vote in Oregon, although I think Trump has a slightly better shot at winning Oregon than New York. Slightly.

The whole Southern-States-are-devastated-by-Coronaflu is one half of a media narrative being heavily pushed atm IMO. In Florida, 1st peak seems to have passed by now, and DeSantis hasn't done anything as disastrous as Cuomo's nursing home massacres- their curve has flattened. Of course, media continues to fawn over Cuomo's #NewYorkTuff sloganeering, while picking over anything DeSantis is doing.

NYS will likely stay blue for now, but the word on the street is that many movers and shakers in NYC have decamped for other states (at least for now, time will tell if they go back considering the blossoming of remote work). As such, budgetary concerns may become more significant down the road. IMO, this could lead to AOC-type radical Democrats continuing to eat away at the corporatist Democratic establishment down the road.

 

[RockPaper]

Curious, then, that the RNC did not go through this process of institutional collapse, given how Obama had 8 years as well.
Was it because the Bushes were less power-hungry? I mean, Jeb was one of the candidates for 2016 too.

The Bushes didn't have the institutional cult-of-personality power on their own party that the Clintons had over the Dems.

The Clintons were not only incredible operators, but there was an atmosphere around the Democratic Party that Bill Clinton had saved them at the executive level. They had lost 5 out of 6 Presidential elections, and the guy that won (Carter) was a one-term dismal failure. Clinton was a guy who knew how to win, and he had the right strategy and the right timing. That bought a ton of goodwill and carte blanche.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Curious, then, that the RNC did not go through this process of institutional collapse, given how Obama had 8 years as well.

Was it because the Bushes were less power-hungry? I mean, Jeb was one of the candidates for 2016 too.

The Republicans don't really have Dynastic families the way the Democrats do. Their power structures are also far more spread out across the country then the Democrats who are centralized in a small area that makes it far easier for one political organization to dominate their cash flow and voting base. The RNC is very bottom up, acting more as a coordinating body for their State parties, while the Democrats are top down giving marching orders to the State parties from the national level. This is probably a factor of simple political philosophy as much as geography too. The end result though is the Democrats tend to be pretty good at taking power nationally but terrible at the State and Local level. Which is an interesting inversion because it used to be the other way around with the Republicans being more big picture and the Democrats dominating local politics. Sometimes to absurd degrees.

 

[ZMOT]

It could just be a coincidence... or it could be that Trump lurks on KF.

probably not when he can just pay someone for it. and that someone on his stuff lurks here wouldn't surprise me, it's pretty easy to do and the threads collect all the relevant info. besides, you have to remember there aren't that many options to hear something outside the average echochamber anymore. so where would you go, twitter? reddit? maybe /pol/ but the signal-to-noise ration makes it more than a hassle than it's worth.

 

[Meat Target]

The Bushes didn't have the institutional cult-of-personality power on their own party that the Clintons had over the Dems.

The Bushes only have a dynasty because they rode Reagan's coattails. Bill Clinton had a "talk left, govern right" strategy. His whole schtick was "hey, we can do what Reagan did, but we'll do it better".

 

[-4ZURE-]

Its going to serve them well for the long haul. The big defining feature of the Trump Presidency is that he's brought on a large number of young people into the Republican parties back bench, and has reshaped the entire Federal judiciary. The Democrats may control the cultural commons, but the Republicans are rapidly ensconcing themselves in the positions of power. Its going to be fascinating to see this play out over the next 20 years.

Going off the assumption that Trump will win, I believe the Republicans will continue his path for awhile. I think Trump has created a massive opening for new voices and younger leaders within the party. I see the the party remaining centrist for awhile, though I do see it falling into more ‘religious‘ principles again, probably after the decade has concluded. They are no longer a religious party, but I think some of the ideas can make their way back in depending on how culture operates. Stuff like the new OnlyFans debacles may create more Puritan mindsets if they get too out of control.

As for the Democrats, I can only envision a complete restructuring. To start with the obvious, whether or not Biden wins, AOC, The Squad, Bernie, and other progressives are getting the boot. I cannot see Bernie’s crusade going very much longer post-2020 due to the riots and their overly easy suppression they have been dealt for two races now. If Bernie is that easy to convince to quit, than this revolution will go nowhere. A good majority will also turn their backs on this sector as they just destroyed a good portion of the country and have become the key harbors of the radical left of 2016. If Biden loses, I fully expect a restructuring that rids the party of its aging handlers. Clinton, Obama, Biden, Pelosi, and the never-Trumpers who recently joined are going to get slowly phased out. These aging boomers have been a plague on the party for decades, so if Biden loses, we will likely see them gone.

As for what Democrats will become, I have no idea. My best guess is something like 2016 Bernie, or like a Tulsi? I feel as though, we are just going to get Trump but with more left-wing politics. Easily respectable, and has enough to distinguish itself from the RNC, so we have no two candidates agreeing on the same issue.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Going off the assumption that Trump will win, I believe the Republicans will continue his path for awhile. I think Trump has created a massive opening for new voices and younger leaders within the party. I see the the party remaining centrist for awhile, though I do see it falling into more ‘religious‘ principles again, probably after the decade has concluded. They are no longer a religious party, but I think some of the ideas can make their way back in depending on how culture operates. Stuff like the new OnlyFans debacles may create more Puritan mindsets if they get too out of control.

As for the Democrats, I can only envision a complete restructuring. To start with the obvious, whether or not Biden wins, AOC, The Squad, Bernie, and other progressives are getting the boot. I cannot see Bernie’s crusade going very much longer post-2020 due to the riots and their overly easy suppression they have been dealt for two races now. If Bernie is that easy to convince to quit, than this revolution will go nowhere. A good majority will also turn their backs on this sector as they just destroyed a good portion of the country and have become the key harbors of the radical left of 2016. If Biden loses, I fully expect a restructuring that rids the party of its aging handlers. Clinton, Obama, Biden, Pelosi, and the never-Trumpers who recently joined are going to get slowly phased out. These aging boomers have been a plague on the party for decades, so if Biden loses, we will likely see them gone.

As for what Democrats will become, I have no idea. My best guess is something like 2016 Bernie, or like a Tulsi? I feel as though, we are just going to get Trump but with more left-wing politics. Easily respectable, and has enough to distinguish itself from the RNC, so we have no two candidates agreeing on the same issue.

If Trump is reelected, I put a 50/50 bet the Democratic party splits. The progressive radicals like AOC will take all the wrong lessons from the loss, and decide the solution is to be even more radical. And since the Gerontocracy that runs the Democrats won't be having that, they will fuck off and form their own political party and the next 8 years will be a murder fest between the two on who gets the crown of the American "left wing". Which pretty much insures come 2024 we'll be seeing a President Ted Cruz or Mike Pence. That or they completely lose their minds and start a civil war by trying to get California and the Northwest to secede. In which case all bets are off. Just goes to show how absurd this election cycle is that "Civil War" is a realistic scenario for how it all ends.

 

[-4ZURE-]

If Trump is reelected, I put a 50/50 bet the Democratic party splits. The progressive radicals like AOC will take all the wrong lessons from the loss, and decide the solution is to be even more radical. And since the Gerontocracy that runs the Democrats won't be having that, they will fuck off and form their own political party and the next 8 years will be a murder fest between the two on who gets the crown of the American "left wing". Which pretty insures come 2024 we'll be seeing a President Ted Cruz or Mike Pence. That or they completely lose their minds and start a civil war by trying to get California and the Northwest to secede. In which case all bets are off. Just goes to show how absurd this election cycle is that "Civil War" is a realistic scenario for how it all ends.

I remember seeing this earlier in the thread, but I believe the Green Party is already trying to rebrand itself as the Bernie/Progressive party.

 

[Reverend]

The left is starting to obsess over maps again, this time in relation to the USPS conspiracy theory.

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They were posted under this clip, which I've seen passed around all over the place and currently has 3 million views.
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God these people have no fucking clue how the post office works. The USPS get new equipment in ALL THE TIME to replace outdated, inefficient equipment to better remove any goddamn human being from sorting the mail. The less human beings are present the less the USPS has to pay those full time employees and the more part time/ non-union workers they can have. There's HUNDREDS of these central processing hubs and they are shrinking all the time due to better equipment being installed.

This shit that's all in back COULD have been the old equipment that was replaced now it's ready to be scrapped and sitting there. Hence, why the dumpster has been filled 3 times, and will probably be filled a dozen more, and it's all old shit.

Minor PL: I bought surplus gov't equipment off the post office, the equipment was less than 3 years old, had not been used at all, and was in MINT condition. This is your gov't at work all day e'ry day.

 

[It's HK-47]

You know, Zoom may be a nasty piece of Chinese spyware, but I'll be damned if it hasn't been great for showing us all of these crusty fossils who have no idea how to work a computer. Senator Carper was live on the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee on CSPAN, thought his mic was muted and just started repeatedly going, "Fuck fuck fuck" when he couldn't figure out that his window was minimized, not muted.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

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You know, Zoom may be a nasty piece of Chinese spyware, but I'll be damned if it hasn't been great for showing us all of these crusty fossils who have no idea how to work a computer. Senator Carper was live on the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee on CSPAN, thought his mic was muted and just started repeatedly going, "Fuck fuck fuck" when he couldn't figure out that his window was minimized, not muted.

Speaking of videos and computers...

Currently, a lot of recent Trump ads sprung up to millions of views seemingly overnight on YouTube, such as this one. However, the like-dislike ratios on most of them don't seem too hot (which is natural, considering the controversial nature of Trump). Indeed, one of them is currently in the negative right now, and another is nearly even-split. The comment sections of all the recent videos are something else right now.

Should this been seen as something more than just preliminary internet shit? Is it indicative of a greater trend right now?

 

[Meat Target]

Speaking of videos and computers...

Currently, a lot of recent Trump ads sprung up to millions of views seemingly overnight on YouTube, such as this one. However, the like-dislike ratios on most of them don't seem too hot (which is natural, considering the controversial nature of Trump). Indeed, one of them is currently in the negative right now, and another is nearly even-split. The comment sections of all the recent videos are something else right now.

Should this been seen as something more than just preliminary internet shit? Is it indicative of a greater trend right now?

Jannies and bots may just be slow on the draw

 

[Harvey Danger]

Didn't SCOTUS recently say faithless electors are unconstitutional?

I thought all they said was that states were allowed to punish them?

There were two cases, over whether a state could punish a faithless elector, and one about whether they could completely void their actual vote. In July SCOTUS unanimously ruled that states could punish faithless electors (at issue was a $1000 fine). They also ruled that states could remove the elector if he wasn't going to follow the popular vote.

To be exact, they ruled that states which passed laws to enforce the elector's voting or punish faithless voting were Constitutional, since the Constitution gives the states power over how they run elections and how the electors are handled. 33 states currently have such laws, although I don't know how many are merely fines and how many let the state remove the votes.

Justice Elena Kagan, who authored the opinion of the court, wrote that “nothing in the Constitution expressly prohibits States from taking away presidential electors’ voting discretion.”

Kagan wrote that the Constitution gives states “broad power over electors” and “electors themselves no rights.”

“Early in our history, States decided to tie electors to the presidential choices of others, whether legislatures or citizens. Except that legislatures no longer play a role, that practice has continued for more than 200 years,” Kagan wrote.

She's not wrong, and the plus side is this removes a lot of uncertainty over the outcome. You might remember the days after the 2016 election, when the shock of Trump winning was driving the left insane, there was this sudden coordinated frenzy trying to get Trump electors to switch their votes. (Ironically, more Clinton electors than Trump electors went faithless.)

Still, I think the risk is states could pass all kinds of laws that neuter the edge cases which an EC system is supposed to address. If Biden wins but has a heart attack before inauguration, the laws could force the electors to keep him as President instead of coordinating a switch to Harris. If a state passes that stupid popular vote compact, it could bind its electors to following the national total instead of state total.

There's all kinds of screwing with the system for political gains that could happen, warping the way the nation as a whole elects Presidents. I do not trust any state to think systematically enough to get it right.

 

[Aidan]

Speaking of videos and computers...

Currently, a lot of recent Trump ads sprung up to millions of views seemingly overnight on YouTube, such as this one. However, the like-dislike ratios on most of them don't seem too hot (which is natural, considering the controversial nature of Trump). Indeed, one of them is currently in the negative right now, and another is nearly even-split. The comment sections of all the recent videos are something else right now.

Should this been seen as something more than just preliminary internet shit? Is it indicative of a greater trend right now?

I think Trump's stuff is getting botted to hell with dislikes. Not because OH GOLLY GOSH THERE CANT BE THAT MANY ANTITRUMPERS!#@!@!@ but because of how fast the dislikes rolled in and how many. That would mean tens of thousands of people who hate trump tuned into those ads all on their own just to say "fuk drumpf?" Sure 10k but 60k? 70k? That fast?
I don't think that many nevertrumpers are subscribed to the official Trump channel which usually doesn't put out anything that special and even if so his normal videos don't get that bombarded.

I think the disinfo machine is in full effect for this election season and many power players have vowed not to let 2016 ever happen again.
Or it could just be a lot of people hate trump and went to dislike those videos.

 

[heyitsmike]

I think what nobody expected was Mitch McConnell deciding to throw in with Trump.

I think he saw in Trump a way to cement his own legacy as the greatest Senate Majority Leader in US history by revamping the judiciary.

Trump likes judges from the Federalist Society. McConnell likes judges from the Federalist Society. Trump likes unapologetically wielding his power in the executive branch. McConnell likes unapologetically wielding his power in the legislative branch.

Although one is super loud and boisterous and the other quiet and reserved, they actually have a lot more in common than you'd think.

 

[Meat Target]

There was smarts on the RNC's side as well. They figured out pretty quick which way the wind was blowing. It was clear from the beginning they decided the smart play would be to bend to the wind rather resist. Early on Reince Preibus pretty clearly felt they could just accommodate Trump, and once he lost the election to Hilldawg they could get back to more staid politiking. After he won the election, Paul Ryan and McCain decided to work together to try and keep the institutional state in place. Its why the Republicans didn't accomplish anything in the first two years they controlled both Congress and the Presidency. There was too much daylight between Trump and the institutional party. I think what nobody expected was Mitch McConnell deciding to throw in with Trump. Of all the things to happen in the last 4 years, that was the most surprising. I shouldn't have been though. Mitch rode into the Senate in the 1984 election, so he's the product of a major political realignment. He probably saw something most of the other Republicans didn't in Trump and decided it would be better to hitch his Sail to the wind rather then work against it. Once Mitch was on Trumps side, the RNC just bowed to the inevitable, to the autistic screeching of the "Never Trumpers" who represented the old guard of the two parties, one system methodology that has defined US politics for the last quarter century.

Its going to serve them well for the long haul. The big defining feature of the Trump Presidency is that he's brought on a large number of young people into the Republican parties back bench, and has reshaped the entire Federal judiciary. The Democrats may control the cultural commons, but the Republicans are rapidly ensconcing themselves in the positions of power. Its going to be fascinating to see this play out over the next 20 years.

I think he saw in Trump a way to cement his own legacy as the greatest Senate Majority Leader in US history by revamping the judiciary.

Trump likes judges from the Federalist Society. McConnell likes judges from the Federalist Society. Trump likes unapologetically wielding his power in the executive branch. McConnell likes unapologetically wielding his power in the legislative branch.

Although one is super loud and boisterous and the other quiet and reserved, they actually have a lot more in common than you'd think.

Speaking of Cocaine Mitch, how secure are *his* re-election chances? He's arguably the only Republican they hate as much as Trump; muh Merrick Garland, muh won't have hearings on retarded House bills, etc.

 

[heyitsmike]

Speaking of Cocaine Mitch, how secure are *his* re-election chances?

Lol. Have you seen Amy McGrath?

She barely won her primary spending Titanic budget money against a guy who spent Blair Witch Project budget money.

She's a complete and total train wreck.

 

[2021Murder]

I live in Trump's hometown of Queens, NY. Over here there are more people who are just apathetic about Trump than people who have Trump Derangement Syndrome. Especially with younger minorities. It's the white college educated yuppy transplants where TDS is in the majority.

to be fair they live where Trump grew up, they all know and are best friends with someone with a trump personality, hell one could even say Peter Parker is Trump-esque especially in his ability to riff, nickname, and humiliate acceptable targets. so them not feeling the hate is understandable. if they talked shit about a guy named Donnie from queens that grabs women by the pussy, they could be talking about a dozen different niggas

I would like to say after trying to find more videos. Mitt Romney was one very, very, super shit candidate with no enthusiasm at all. Like the difference between Trump and Romney is night and day. Trump truly saved the GOP in 2016. And Hillary shit the bed hard. I don't know, maybe compare Bernie's DNC speech to hers during that year to see the difference.

i didn't give a shit in 2012, but from what i remember from redeye that year, no one cared about Romney. Ann Coulter openly said she wouldn't vote for him and he was just going to act like a wimp against barack like we just saw. she was blackpilled as shit because of how bad the choices were. the rest of the conservatives weren't proud of romney either.