Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Standardized Profile]

You said cough into your elbow before genius.

Did I? Or was it the guy in this post? Or maybe it was the CDC? Regardless of who said it, it's a pretty good idea. It's also considered polite when attending a live performance, so it's a good habit to practice if you enjoy that kind of thing.

Wearing a mask won't completely block it either, plenty of medical staff get the virus and they're wearing Full PPE.

They're also spending countless hours in close contact with symptomatic infected patients, sometimes doing procedures that produce lots of aerosols, and I bet they aren't practicing perfect donning/doffing procedures every time. That doesn't apply to most people. If it applies to you, seek specialized advice from, I don't know, an infection control specialist or whatever you call them. I just do normal people things in normal environments, so I take normal precautions.

And if those studies are based on the antibody results they're fucking worthless, because as I said they include the common cold.

This study shows specificity of 95-100%. They screened the results and confirmed they are detecting antibodies that are protective against SARS-CoV-2. There was some cross-reactivity with other viruses but it was pretty minimal, not enough to get excited over.

If you're still not convinced, write the medical journals, the CDC, and the WHO, and explain why their estimates are fucking worthless. They will publish your letter, all funding for these types of studies will cease, and you might get some kind of award.

 

[cuddle striker]

It's a shame that government blessed "protesters" "protesting" in large numbers sans masks or distancing, yet persecute people only wanting to go to church to worship.

Both large, compact groups of protestors and indoor church services are part of the problem.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

indoor church services are part of the problem.

Then explain why there were outdoor church services..that were being done Drive in Movie style that were being shut down.

 

[JosephStalin]

Both large, compact groups of protestors and indoor church services are part of the problem.

Also please explain why it's okay for large numbers of people to gather in Walmarts, etc. Some churches are holding services in Walmarts.

Got one big church in Southern CA that's told the local Nazis to fuck off, they will keep holding church services.

Judge puts off sanctions ruling for Sun Valley church holding indoor services despite COVID ban

With a Sun Valley church demanding more information about the basis for county health orders barring indoor worship services, a judge put off a decision Thursday on whether the church should face s…

www.dailynews.com

https://archive.vn/41w6C

If the politicians can pack a church for the funeral of some useless politician, Americans can go worship. We see the enemy. They are the ones denying Americans all their First Amendment rights. If you can "protest", you can worship.

 

[Ghost In The Rain]

Both large, compact groups of protestors and indoor church services are part of the problem.

Those two groups have been the biggest part of the solution. The problem is all the people who are maintaining their distance, wearing masks, staying home, and refusing to use their immune system.

Seriously, where are these people coming from that suggest slowing the development of immunity is desirable? No one is refuting that concept that the disease is not going away. So do your god damn civic duty and get antibodies you assholes.

 

[JosephStalin]

Then explain why there were outdoor church services..that were being done Drive in Movie style that were being shut down.

Can't. Just persecution of worshipers. Could it have been because the worshipers were Christian? Have a funny feeling Muslims would have no trouble gathering in a mosque to pray, head to butt. Believe the local Nazis would bless that in a heartbeat.

Just call it a day. We aren't afraid, and no longer believe anything "they" say.

And not to forget....all these Nazis who have imposed the oppressive measures, keeping thousands and thousands from supporting their families, and all their henchmen who enforce such measures NEVER MISS A PAYCHECK. So why should they care if anyone else does? They don't.

 

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Can't. Just persecution of worshipers. Could it have been because the worshipers were Christian? Have a funny feeling Muslims would have no trouble gathering in a mosque to pray, head to butt. Believe the local Nazis would bless that in a heartbeat.

Just call it a day. We aren't afraid, and no longer believe anything "they" say.

And not to forget....all these Nazis who have imposed the oppressive measures, keeping thousands and thousands from supporting their families, and all their henchmen who enforce such measures NEVER MISS A PAYCHECK. So why should they care if anyone else does? They don't.

I have absolutely no doubt in my mind at all that the Temples and Mosques are ignoring the lockdowns. I would even suggest that the Mormons are, too. There's been a very very conspicuous absence of any coverage of it in the media.

 

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Seriously, where are these people coming from that suggest slowing the development of immunity is desirable? No one is refuting that concept that the disease is not going away. So do your god damn civic duty and get antibodies you assholes.

Because herd immunity is a myth and you can get the WuFlu multiple times, as the media and other "experts" keep repeating. Plus you'll just end up killing yourself/becoming crippled for life by the common long-term chronic symptoms, or worst of all, killing grandma.

So stay the fuck at home (except when protesting the even worse public health crisis of racism), follow everything the experts say, and wait for your microchip to be implanted with the vaccine which is coming any day now.

 

[Xerxes IX]

Normally I would say that once they realize it's hurting the pocket book they will stop with the crazy dumb policies causing this. But I bet they will double own and hope the state and/or feds bail them out instead. A lot of the shutdown nonsense is predicated on bailouts from above, but they don't realize there isn't enough money to bail out everyone... that's not how a sustainable government works. Maybe that's the point?

Are they banking on Biden winning and bailing everyone out? It's an awful plan, for a variety of reasons. They'd have to be confident Biden will win and Congress is Democrat controlled. There's not enough money to bail all these states out. States and cities want money for everything that got destroyed by the riots, too.

What I hate about the panic over this whole thing is how it encourages you to view others with distrust or even outright hostility. Other people are EEEVIL and will get you sick. You're much safer at home with The Government and Corporations, both of which are your friend and only want the best for you. You know how posters here have been saying the riots never would have been as bad if there wasn't a lockdown? We wouldn't get the associated ideas like "silence is violence, if you're not vocally with us you're the enemy" if the social environment didn't already promote seeing others as the enemy.

 

[Mexican_Wizard_711]

I'm sick of this Beer Virus shit

 

[ToroidalBoat]

FEAR

Another leftist claim I heard is that the impact of COVID-19 is somehow being under-reported. You know, to plant even more fear.

 

[King Dead]

Because dyslexia runs in my Dad's family, my Mom taught me to read properly as early as she could, my Kindergarten teacher didn't believe I could read the titles of the books, and later teachers refused to let me read books out of the school library that were higher grade levels until I could actually demonstrate I could read them. I tended towards the same thing, gravitating to the "bad kids" that weren't really bad, just bored. Dewey was the worst thing to ever happen to the American education system. Shit, I think America had a higher literacy rate before our public system than after it.

It's the value of the Prussian system Dewey liked so much, lots of good citizens who believe what their authority figures tell them without too much questioning. It's just taken generations to work how to deal with that American tendency to tell authority figures to fuck off.

Just gonna recommend The Underground History of American Education again. For anyone who felt like their time in public schooling was a waste, for anyone who got beaten back for standing out, it's a real eye-opener to the failures of the education system, especially considering that it was really all by design.

The best part is that it was written twenty years ago, and it's only gotten more and more relevant since then.

 

[0x0]

The "common cold" accounts for a group of at least three virus families, most of which are Rhinoviruses, but also include at least four species of Coronaviruses and some other group I cant remember/dont care to look up.

Yeah and two of the Coronaviruses in the antibody study cause the common cold.

2) no transferred immunity/resistance from a weaker coronavirus

You think there will be immunity from a different Coronavirus, a much more mild one? There's not even good evidence that you develop antibodies from Covid-19, with reports of people contracting it twice (although those reports could be false)

Now I don't necessarily supporting using antibody/seroprevalence studies to guesstimate "we are X many weeks away from herd immunity" like Sweden did; but they are still a more reliable indicator of true infection lethality rate than going off only confirmed cases (which have a known symptomatic/hospitalization bias).

Working out the lethality rate for a new virus causing a pandemic is stupid, there are too many factors involved, but using an antibody study is just retarded.

Or maybe it was the CDC?

The CDC said it would help reduce the chance of spreading it, not that it's a holy mary.

so it's a good habit to practice if you enjoy that kind of thing.

No shit it's a good habit, good habits won't prevent it at all, you can't stop it with just good hygiene practices, if it were that easy we wouldn't be in the midst of a pandemic.

They're also spending countless hours in close contact with symptomatic infected patients, sometimes doing procedures that produce lots of aerosols, and I bet they aren't practicing perfect donning/doffing procedures every time.

If medical staff can't do perfect donning procedures then how do you expect the average person to do so?

This study shows specificity of 95-100%

Read your study retard.
>Regarding specificity, some samples of endemic coronavirus (HCoV‐OC43, HCoV‐229E) and Epstein Barr virus‐infected individuals cross‐reacted in the ELISA assays and IFA, in one case generating a false‐positive result.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

magical thinking

Like how it seems the "woke" can't listen to reason despite having 24-7 access to the internet through smartphones?

(seems they only go to censored "soy sites" and soycial media)

 

[Standardized Profile]

I think this is gonna be my last reply.

You think there will be immunity from a different Coronavirus, a much more mild one? There's not even good evidence that you develop antibodies from Covid-19, with reports of people contracting it twice (although those reports could be false)

I don't know whether you consider it "much more mild," but SARS-COV immune reaction has been demonstrated 11 years after infection, so yes, I think there will be (has been and is) immunity to a different coronavirus. And every COVID-19 survivor has developed at least short-term immunity to SARS-CoV-2, that's why they're survivors and not dead. The reports of re-infection are dubious or so rare as to be insignificant. Last I heard, there was one probable case of reinfection out of 22+ million cases. Even if there were 1000 times as many, it would still be a very rare event.

Working out the lethality rate for a new virus causing a pandemic is stupid, there are too many factors involved, but using an antibody study is just retarded.

You haven't really presented a case that these studies (plural) are fatally flawed. You've just found one weakness, which was acknowledged by the authors, and we have data showing the effect is pretty minor. Maybe the magnitude of the potential error is too much for your purposes, which is fine, but everyone else seems to be moving forward with it.

The CDC said it would help reduce the chance of spreading it, not that it's a holy mary.

Do you mean "hail Mary," like the football play? No one said it was.

No shit it's a good habit, good habits won't prevent it at all, you can't stop it with just good hygiene practices, if it were that easy we wouldn't be in the midst of a pandemic.

You can have a pandemic and still reduce individual risk through hand washing, etc. You have to inhale a sufficient number of SARS-CoV-2 copies to infect yourself. If you keep other people's secretions away from your face, you're not going to inhale those. You just have to worry about airborne particles, which in most interactions will be too diffuse to matter. For example, you can live in the same household as a COVID case, and you probably won't get it.

If medical staff can't do perfect donning procedures then how do you expect the average person to do so?

I don't expect the average person to spend extended periods of time in closed environments engaging symptomatic patients in close contact while performing procedures such as intubation that produce aerosols while repeatedly donning and doffing PPE while fatigued, under great stress, or routinized into complacency.

Read your study retard.
>Regarding specificity, some samples of endemic coronavirus (HCoV‐OC43, HCoV‐229E) and Epstein Barr virus‐infected individuals cross‐reacted in the ELISA assays and IFA, in one case generating a false‐positive result.

"In one case." Thus the specificity range of 95% - 100%, instead of just 100% across the board.

 

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Air-conditioned rooms help spread COVID-19, research shows
https://nypost.com/2020/08/22/air-conditioned-rooms-help-spread-covid-19-research-shows/ (http://archive.vn/8ib65)

Dry air and air-conditioned rooms can help spread the coronavirus, according to an Indian-German research team that looked at the role of relative humidity in the transmission of infections.

They want you to suffer and be miserable.

 

[King Dead]

Air-conditioned rooms help spread COVID-19, research shows
https://nypost.com/2020/08/22/air-conditioned-rooms-help-spread-covid-19-research-shows/ (http://archive.vn/8ib65)




They want you to suffer and be miserable.

No way in hell are people going to give up their AC to stop the Wu Flu. Especially Southerners. It's the middle of summer and temperatures are consistently in the 90s, with the heat index usually in the 100s. You can take their AC when you pry it from their cold, dead hands, because there's no way you're getting it out of their cold, alive hands.

>Indian-German research team
So one country that can't afford AC and another that doesn't generally need it are telling us to go without. Go back to shitting in your streets and feeling Nazi guilt, assholes.

 

[Smug Chuckler]

This winter: Heated rooms help spread the coronavirus, I don't care if you freeze to death grandma killer.

 

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Air-conditioned rooms help spread COVID-19, research shows
https://nypost.com/2020/08/22/air-conditioned-rooms-help-spread-covid-19-research-shows/ (http://archive.vn/8ib65)




They want you to suffer and be miserable.

Is it time for "climate change caused COVID-19 because it made us all install and use more air conditioning, Green New Deal now" articles in the media?

 

[0x0]

I don't know whether you consider it "much more mild," but SARS-COV immune reaction has been demonstrated 11 years after infection, so yes, I think there will be (has been and is) immunity to a different coronavirus.

Did you read the study, that's not for transferred immunity.

The reports of re-infection are dubious or so rare as to be insignificant. Last I heard, there was one probable case of reinfection out of 22+ million cases. Even if there were 1000 times as many, it would still be a very rare event.

They're dubious, still less dubious than the notion of contracting OC43 and 229E can give you immunity to Covid-19

You haven't really presented a case that these studies (plural) are fatally flawed.

If the studies are based off an antibody study which includes other coronaviruses, two of which cause the common cold, then yes they are flawed.

You've just found one weakness, which was acknowledged by the authors, and we have data showing the effect is pretty minor

Data of 33 people who tested positive for the virus.

Do you mean "hail Mary," like the football play? No one said it was.

You claimed the CDC said that.

For example, you can live in the same household as a COVID case, and you probably won't get it.

Read your own links.
> To prevent the spread of SARS-CoV-2, people are being asked to stay at home worldwide. With suspected or confirmed infections referred to isolate at home, household transmission will continue to be a significant source of transmission.

You can have a pandemic and still reduce individual risk through hand washing, etc

No shit, never denied this.

You have to inhale a sufficient number of SARS-CoV-2 copies to infect yourself.

And you can contract through it other methods like surfaces, so once again good hygiene practices will not stop infection significantly on it's own.

I don't expect the average person to spend extended periods of time in closed environments engaging symptomatic patients in close contact while performing procedures such as intubation that produce aerosols while repeatedly donning and doffing PPE while fatigued, under great stress, or routinized into complacency.

Obviously being in contact with infected patients greatly increases your odds of contracting it, but that won't change that it is still possible to contract with masks and proper hygiene in other areas.

"In one case." Thus the specificity range of 95% - 100%, instead of just 100% across the board.

In one case of 33, all from patients who were hospitalized.