Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[BipolarPon]

Anything to make the Mouse Products look good, I guess. Although, I will be the first person to say that I'm happy the Vong never turned up in Nu-Canon or even TCW.

Mostly because I'm 150% certain that all of the violent, religious, multi-faceted and horror-esque elements---basically everything that makes their species and culture interesting---would be completely removed to retain a PG rating or be less "problematic." And I'd rather see my favorite species exist untainted in a superior continuity than dumbed down in Disney shit.

Last thing I need is to see the proud and intimidating Yuuzhan Vong warriors be given the Space Aladdin Thrawn treatment.

I rather have Eu characters not appear in tv or film at all, than a bastardized water down one, which Dave Filoni is pretty good at doing.

One thing Dave Filoni fails at is writing villians, he doesn't know how to make them look competent, without making the protagonist look like idiots, even villains who seen competent have such stupid over-dramatic dialogue, and end up getting beaten in idiotic ways, that i feel like I'm watching a cheesy saturday morning cartoon, except I'm supposed to take it all seriously. At least the original He-Man had some self-awareness and could poke fun of itself. Filoni Wars and Space Aladdin take themselves way too seriously so it's harder to excuse the cop-outs and flaws, or find the silliness endearing, unlike other cartoons. I'm often harsher on Filoni Wars than Space Aladdin because many more people will openly talk about it's flaws and until the last season It didn't go out of it's way to deficate or bastardized the True Eu, despite Filoni Wars on almost all aspects being the superior show.

 

[Creep3r]

Mantid News (Wokling Edition):
1: Despite IDW being unable to release their High Republic shit, Disney has instead made them publish a one shot Baby Yeed spinoff comic for December.

Yet Kennedy wants us to believe Baby Yoda merch was always in the plans.

2: The new Dr. Aphra audiobook was released some time ago and I honestly haven't heard anything about it other than a few leddit posts and SW.com talking about how "empowering" it is for pushing Vader to the side and making Aphra the main character instead despite the only reason anyone even knows who she is because she was Vader's obnoxious forced sidekick. Despite this I've seen very little fare for the audiobook and apparently it had a very cheap production, with the whole thing being done from the author's home by herself. I've also heard the audiobook didn't perform well but there's no real numbers to look up to confirm this. So take it with a grain of salt.

3: New SW toys have been revealed on SW.com and its mostly sequel shitters. So much for Doomcock's bullshit claim that Disney would distance themselves from their own garbage. Kylo Ren is also included among the Sith set despite Disney and that faggot Hidalgo claiming he wasn't a Sith.

This is like the third time they've done this shit. Also for some reason R3PO is included among the Sith set despite being a member of the Rebel Alliance in both canons.

Meanwhile nobody gives a shit except for that one "awesome article" guy and someone pointing out SW.com is broken (highest quality site runners there).

 

[Flexo]

Apparently Black One is the name of Poe Dameron's X-Wing.

Well now we know why he was so eager to team up with Finn...

 

[Ghostse]

Agreed for the most part, although I do think Biden has a chance of winning thanks to COVID-19 tanking the economy (and the MSM blaming it all on Trump) the severity of the riots and Kamala as the VP pick are definitely going to the tip the scales in favor of Trump barring some other freak surprise.

I don't think Disney will totally collapse from this unless Three Gorges Dam collapses before the end of 2020 since they're the largest studio system within Hollywood and are "too big to fail" in a sense, but I can definitely see them doing major downsizing and selling off their acquisitions.

The only ones I don't see Disney willing to let go are their own core IP's, Pixar, and Marvel (this includes the X-Men stuff from the Fox buyout) and maybe The Simpsons since it was enough of a big deal for Iger to ensure the legal proceedings for it got fast tracked to be ready by the time Disney+ launched. Everything else is up for grabs.

The way I see it, I think certain IP's and subsidiaries will be sold off before the really big stuff that were taken over in the Iger years. Iger himself knew his megalomania would hurt Disney and he lined up Chapek as a fall guy and had his exit plan even before the unexpected curveball of the C-19 pandemic.

Bob Iger does not intend to go down in history as a failure, since he knows what the flops under Eisner's later tenure did to his reputation. Michael Eisner was the guy who literally saved Disney at the tail end of the 80's and ushered the Disney Renaissance of the 90's, but thanks to the flop of California Adventure and a lot of the early 2000's Disney movies bombing at the box office, he's viewed as a failure (never mind that most of the flops later became beloved cult classics)

Now as for which ones will be sold off first, I think it'll go like this, listed from the most likely to be sold off right away to the ones being sold because they're at the end of their rope.

1. A&E and History Channel

The former channel is a rerun farm that axed the one premiere show that was bringing in actual money so they could appease BLM while the latter has been a laughing stock for never showing any historical programming even as reruns and instead exclusively try to focus on white trash reality shows. They don't even do the excessive WWII coverage they were infamous for in the mid-2000's or even the focus on UFO's and conspiracies like in the late 2000's/early 2010's

A&E and History Channel are a poor man's Lifetime Network and MTV for Boomers respectively, but I could see another company buying them and making a lot of bank on a "return to form" relaunch of the brand.

2. ESPN

This is normally a very profitable brand but the damage that the pandemic has done for them is immense and the decline of cable TV is also something to consider, especially since something like ESPN doesn't translate as easily into streaming as ABC or Fox.

3. The lesser-known parts of the Fox Library and C-List franchises and Touchstone Pictures

I can definitely see Disney trying to do piecemeal sales of specific titles or IP's in the Fox library for smaller companies or groups like Netflix who want more content for their streaming services as well as the older or more obscure franchises that aren't as much of a draw as they were back in the day. The Touchstone Pictures library would also be put up for sale since it's a dead brand but has quite a few iconic titles that could fetch a decent price.

4. ABC and Freeform

ABC being put up for sale is a major deal simply because it's a major broadcast network, so it'll be held onto longer than A&E/History Channel or even ESPN

5. Fox's B-List and lower A-List franchises and titles

For the franchises and movies that have a decent following but aren't heavy-hitters or perennial favorites or tend to be in the "lower A-List" categories where they're still relevant and have a big fandom but they aren't top-tier blockbusters or merchandising titans. This would be shows like King of the Hill and The Shield or the extremely popular individual movies that aren't part of a franchise, or some of the smaller franchises owned by Fox

6. Star Wars and the "big name" Fox franchises

This would be one of those signs that things are truly dismal in the House of Mouse if they have to relent and put up Star Wars for sale. Same goes for the more evergreen Fox-owned franchises like Die Hard, Alien, and Predator.

I don't see them ever putting The Simpsons or X-Men up for sale, same goes for Marvel or the core IP's from Disney and Pixar's vaults.

I think the first things Disney will hand over will be ESPN and selling sony more rights to Spiderman-marvel.

The reason is simple: ESPN is right now more red ink on already depressing books.
They would be loath to complicate Marvel licensing, but Sony is a ready partner who would be motivated to buy.

The issue with a lot of the things listed is tyring to land an interested buyer with deep enough pockets.

 

[Syaoran Li]

I think the first things Disney will hand over will be ESPN and selling sony more rights to Spiderman-marvel.

The reason is simple: ESPN is right now more red ink on already depressing books.
They would be loath to complicate Marvel licensing, but Sony is a ready partner who would be motivated to buy.

The issue with a lot of the things listed is tyring to land an interested buyer with deep enough pockets.

Agreed, although I do think some of the lower-tier stuff like some of the B-List and C-List titles in the Fox and Touchstone libraries would probably be bought up by someone like Netflix who has the money but also always could use more content owned outright by them.

I could see ESPN being sold first now that you mentioned it, while History Channel and A&E can be sold the cheapest of any networks/subsidiaries, especially for a company like Amazon, Sony, or maybe NBC Universal who would gladly do a relaunch of those networks. Being the company that undid one of the worst cases of network decay right up there with MTV and SyFy Channel could earn a lot of goodwill and a loyal audience for whomever buys History Channel and A&E from Disney.

 

[Creep3r]

Still no sign of that Mandalorian s2 trailer in sight. If nothing comes up tomorrow either it will hopefully mean that the leakers claiming an Aladdin Rebels sequel is coming are full of it too.

And in regards to leakfags, just a quick FYI, but I think that for anyone interested in Disney/Lucasfilm leakers that haven't been complete bullshit should keep track of this asshole:

https://forums.wdwmagic.com/search/1399327/

Unlike that e-whore Doomcock, this asshole has pretty much been right on almost every single thing he's leaked, including GE changes, the August 4 report, Splash Mountain, Mulan going to Disney+, Chapek, etc etc. He mostly covers Disney in general but its better than baloney from Doomcock and anything notable that happens with Disney is relevant to the situation with SW.

 

[Jub-Jub]

KK is bullshitting as always, but I remember something about Favreau saying that he didn't want them to make Baby Yoda merch before the show aired because he didn't want to spoil a big element of the story. Although, like you said, this wouldn't justify the gap between the end of the first season and the availability of the merch.

I can see not wanting to spoil the story as we've seen other toy sales drop information Disney didn't want out, but even then it was pretty close to release, was meant to generate hype, and I'm not sure how many general population people cared. We often see it because we're autistically tracking moves to laugh at the shit-show, but who cared that hot wheels spoiled that Enfys Nest was a girl (not that it wasn't also obvious from her body proportions).

Does merch sold in Disney parks get leaked and by that i mean not the typical PR marketing hype leaks? If Disney was worried about third party spoilers from toy lines (HI LEGO) then could this have been a valid strategy? A hot item only available in GE would certainly help those disasters out and as we know from our generals reporting GE really needed it.

Anyway they fucked up bigly on the situation.

I could see ESPN being sold first now that you mentioned it

I always wonder about ESPN because of the thought that sports will eventually come back. Will Disney offload something that is potentially more valuable in a year or can the money men balance the books now?

Unlike that e-whore Doomcock

Your link breaks for me, but i guess you mean WDW Pro.

Doomcock is such a fag. I'm pretty sure his ""inside sources"" are just whatever somebody posts to r/starwarsleaks or similar.

 

[Creep3r]

Doomcock is such a fag. I'm pretty sure his ""inside sources"" are just whatever somebody posts to r/starwarsleaks or similar.

Not even that. Most of the shit he gets comes from nowhere and no one else ever says anything similar, and he always turns out to be wrong. When he does rarely get his info from other learks, its usually weeks or even months after they've posted about it. And on the rare chance he's right about something, it usually came from some other leakfag or source. The guy is just another clickbaiter now.

Your link breaks

The pain in the ass is that you gotta have an account to see his posting history on that shit hole forum. If he says anything of note I'll try and post it.

 

[Ghostse]

Agreed, although I do think some of the lower-tier stuff like some of the B-List and C-List titles in the Fox and Touchstone libraries would probably be bought up by someone like Netflix who has the money but also always could use more content owned outright by them.

I could see ESPN being sold first now that you mentioned it, while History Channel and A&E can be sold the cheapest of any networks/subsidiaries, especially for a company like Amazon, Sony, or maybe NBC Universal who would gladly do a relaunch of those networks. Being the company that undid one of the worst cases of network decay right up there with MTV and SyFy Channel could earn a lot of goodwill and a loyal audience for whomever buys History Channel and A&E from Disney.

even a year or two ago, I think what you're saying would be a no-brainer.

But now with the launch of Disney+, I think they'd have to have to really, truly be in trouble or Netflix would need to come in with a huge offer they couldn't refuse. If they did what you suggest, they are basically cutting off their own leg and resigning Disney+ to "also ran" status for the duration of the deal. They have gone all-in on streaming, recognized it as a space they must carve a space in to compete long term, so fund raising from Netflix would be a huge corporate priority/vision realignment shift.

I could actually see them selling History Channel and A&E to Amazon or Apple. I'm not sure where Disney Corporate intelligence ranks them as competitors but they definitely have deep enough pockets. I think all things considered they'd rather cut a deal with NBC-Universal (as essentially they are also an also-ran), but I don't know that Universal has deep enough pockets to bail them out - and they might be salty about the fact Universal Studios is weathering Rona-chan better than they are.

Edit: I think AMC would actually be a harder sell.
AMC has moved from a classic movie channel to a test bed for content: Breaking Bad, Walking Dead, etc. Live PD (whch go woke, lose 50% of your audience) itself was an experiment. Selling AMC would be doing long term harm, but disney might be able to turn one of its other properties into a replacement.


Random sperg asside:
There is also a Dark Horse no talks about in the streaming space, which is WB. TL;DR here is that WB is sitting on not just all their content but they used to run a few other small streaming services that streamed fairly niche content (most from outside the US) and were profitable in their own rights. A few years back, WB renewed their distribution agreements with their partners, but then shuttered the services.
The entertainment wonking is they were watching NBC universal and Disney+ to see how they fared with an eye on starting their own service - if Disney+ flounders, they shop out their warchest and possibly relaunch some niche streaming.

 

[Miller]

Doomcock is such a fag. I'm pretty sure his ""inside sources"" are just whatever somebody posts to r/starwarsleaks or similar.

His "sources" are from /tv/. I was in a couple of Star Trek threads that were full of made-up leaks and he fell for both. One of the threads had the first letter of every line form a well-known Star Trek quote: "It's a fake".
The guy has become quite arrogant as he is getting closer to 200k subs on Youtube. He doesn't give a shit about SW or Trek. Didn't he say that The Mandalorian was really bad but he admitted that he has only watched the first 5 minutes of the pilot?

 

[Flexo]

, although I do think some of the lower-tier stuff like some of the B-List and C-List titles in the Fox and Touchstone libraries would probably be bought up by someone like Netflix who has the money but also always could use more content owned outright by them

That's exactly why they won't. Why give up the content to their competitor when they can have it on D+.

That will only be happening if the Disney streaming service is going defunct.

 

[Syaoran Li]

That's exactly why they won't. Why give up the content to their competitor when they can have it on D+.

That will only be happening if the Disney streaming service is going defunct.

The kind of titles from the Fox and Touchstone Pictures libraries that I could see Disney sell off to avoid bankruptcy would be the more obscure titles that wouldn't be much of a draw on Hulu and wouldn't be on Disney+ because they're either R-rated or "hard" PG-13

 

[Flexo]

The kind of titles from the Fox and Touchstone Pictures libraries that I could see Disney sell off to avoid bankruptcy would be the more obscure titles that wouldn't be much of a draw on Hulu and wouldn't be on Disney+ because they're either R-rated or "hard" PG-13

They'll let the properties rot before giving aid to an enemy. More probable they'll set an adults only tab or section of D+.

 

[Syaoran Li]

They'll let the properties rot before giving aid to an enemy. More probable they'll set an adults only tab or section of D+.

Or use Hulu, since they have majority stake.

Disney is spiteful enough to let properties rot just to keep them out of the hands of others, but if they're selling any of their empire off at all, it'd be because they're desperate and if the right price is offered by the right people, they'd be more likely to part with the more obscure titles in their archives.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Or use Hulu, since they have majority stake.

Disney is spiteful enough to let properties rot just to keep them out of the hands of others, but if they're selling any of their empire off at all, it'd be because they're desperate and if the right price is offered by the right people, they'd be more likely to part with the more obscure titles in their archives.

That, or whomever they're borrowing money from starts to get impatient and begins suing them for not bringing in the wanted moolah. Considering that Disney's borrowing has reached up to the billions, whomever's lending them that kind of capital is gonna want a return on it, and if Disney Star Wars continues to fail and flounder, said generous loaners might just decide that they've had enough of Disney's bullshit.

When it comes to Disney letting properties rot just to keep them out of the hands of others, again, that validates what I said when I compared Disney to EA. EA did that with a lot of companies that used to make high-quality content, from Westwood Studios to Pandemic Studios. Lucas called Disney "white slavers" but compared to white slavers, these companies are worse, since white slavers make sure that their slaves are healthy so they can do as much work as possible. These mega-corps turn everything they buy into SJW propaganda (Sequel Trilogy) or cheap crap that panders to the lowest common denominator, (cheap FPS Call of Duty/Gears of War clones) sometimes both, then when these companies obviously tank, the mega-corp shuts them down. Westwood and Pandemic suffered that fate, I wouldn't be surprised if Lucasfilm suffered it too before Disney sold it off.

 

[Ghostse]

Lucas called Disney "white slavers" but compared to white slavers, these companies are worse, since white slavers make sure that their slaves are healthy so they can do as much work as possible.

Ummmm my dude you might be getting some terms reeeeeally mixed up.
"White Slavery" is code word for "Sex Slavery" since the 1930s. This in and of itself has ties back to the Ottomans their incredible thirst for "Circassian Beauties", but is primarily an anti-pornography stance. There are still federal laws about transporting "girls across state lines for immoral purposes" - which makes dating in Kansas City a living hell let me tell you.
And modern 'white slavers' use heroin, ecstasy, and other drugs to turn the women and children they exploit into addicts who will willing do whatever is asked of them to get their next fix.

Lucas is essentially calling Disney Pimps prostituting out his creation by using that term.

These mega-corps turn everything they buy into SJW propaganda (Sequel Trilogy) or cheap crap that panders to the lowest common denominator, (cheap FPS Call of Duty/Gears of War clones) sometimes both, then when these companies obviously tank, the mega-corp shuts them down. Westwood and Pandemic suffered that fate, I wouldn't be surprised if Lucasfilm suffered it too before Disney sold it off.

I posted on this before, but this is not them being true believers. This is them realizing that you can make a shoddy, terrible script, throw a coat of WOKE on it, and now anyone who says its not the greatest thing will be labeled a nazi. You can thank the jews the gays and the writers strike for helping them realize this.
The worm, thankfuly, is starting to turn even if we wish it'd turn quicker.

 

[Adamska]

I posted on this before, but this is not them being true believers. This is them realizing that you can make a shoddy, terrible script, throw a coat of WOKE on it, and now anyone who says its not the greatest thing will be labeled a nazi. You can thank the jews the gays and the writers strike for helping them realize this.
The worm, thankfuly, is starting to turn even if we wish it'd turn quicker.

They also learned that you don't even need to have real fan interest to trick the stock brokers and investors; you just fake fan interest with botnets and your employees disguising themselves as fans to do it. Why make a real product when you can fake one?

Especially when you make most of your liquidity and assets via stocks, and not product now?

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Ummmm my dude you might be getting some terms reeeeeally mixed up.
"White Slavery" is code word for "Sex Slavery" since the 1930s. This in and of itself has ties back to the Ottomans their incredible thirst for "Circassian Beauties", but is primarily an anti-pornography stance. There are still federal laws about transporting "girls across state lines for immoral purposes" - which makes dating in Kansas City a living hell let me tell you.
And modern 'white slavers' use heroin, ecstasy, and other drugs to turn the women and children they exploit into addicts who will willing do whatever is asked of them to get their next fix.

Lucas is essentially calling Disney Pimps prostituting out his creation by using that term.

I posted on this before, but this is not them being true believers. This is them realizing that you can make a shoddy, terrible script, throw a coat of WOKE on it, and now anyone who says its not the greatest thing will be labeled a nazi. You can thank the jews the gays and the writers strike for helping them realize this.
The worm, thankfuly, is starting to turn even if we wish it'd turn quicker.

Then it's even worse, because pimps at least want their whores to appeal to a wide range of people. Disney instead retooled Star Wars to appeal to SJWs and RLM fans, two very narrow groups, ignoring the likes of Prequel fans, Old Republic fans, etc.. For a while, they even avoided references to the Clone Wars for fear of alienating the Prequel-haters until they realized there was profit from using Clone Wars characters because the Filoni Wars show had a lot of dedicated fans. It's like making a beautiful woman ugly so that she can appeal only to guys who want androgynous gals and guys who want to pretend like they're sleeping with other guys.

At first, Disney acted as such, using wokeness as a shield. Besides, again, their real money-makers were the Avengers films and the parks. But now that Star Wars is tanking and parks are no longer open, followed by the fact that the Avengers mania died down when Thanos died in Endgame, Disney has no choice but to try and pander to the fans they chased away, as poorly as they are doing so with Season 7 of the Clone Wars and the Mandalorian show.

They also learned that you don't even need to have real fan interest to trick the stock brokers and investors; you just fake fan interest with botnets and your employees disguising themselves as fans to do it. Why make a real product when you can fake one?

Especially when you make most of your liquidity and assets via stocks, and not product now?

Now that they're deep in debt and their fake fan interests and employees have been exposed, there's no tricking stock brokers and investors now. Or the people they're borrowing billions from. Either those loaners and investors get their money's worth, or they'll tear Disney apart piece by piece. Which is something many people want to see. Disney might be spiteful enough to want Star Wars to fail before it falls into the hands of someone else, but they might not have that choice if they can't repay the people they borrowed from in time.

 

[Flexo]

Or use Hulu, since they have majority stake.

Disney is spiteful enough to let properties rot just to keep them out of the hands of others, but if they're selling any of their empire off at all, it'd be because they're desperate and if the right price is offered by the right people, they'd be more likely to part with the more obscure titles in their archives.

I mean sure, if the stars align and all that would be the move Disney would make.

I just really doubt that things will align in that way. They would probably have to literally go bankrupt and have assets carved from the corpse.

I had forgotten the Hulu angle, so it is definitely more likely they'll use it to dump the catalog they need to streamline while probably looking into a percentage share from Hulu rather than a price.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I mean sure, if the stars align and all that would be the move Disney would make.

I just really doubt that things will align in that way. They would probably have to literally go bankrupt and have assets carved from the corpse.

I had forgotten the Hulu angle, so it is definitely more likely they'll use it to dump the catalog they need to streamline while probably looking into a percentage share from Hulu rather than a price.

That would probably be the way Star Wars and many other franchises gets pried from Disney. After they file for bankruptcy and have to sell off assets to pay off the people whom they borrowed billions from.

As much as I'd like for Lucas to be one of the vultures pecking the corpse to get Lucasfilm back, that's probably not gonna happen. National Amusements is probably gonna buy it up, if given the chance, what with them owning Viacom and Paramount Pictures, the latter of which made a killing with the Sonic film and made shit tons of money with the Transformers films.

Maybe we'll finally see what Star Wars would be like with Michael Bay at the helm. Maybe we'll see Troy Denning's Alema character on-screen, with her skintight flight suit having more than a few convenient "ruptures" in battle.