US Americans Continue to Flee States With Higher Taxes

Son to start a job in Texas soon. No state income tax, so more in the paycheck.


Americans Continue to Flee States With Higher Taxes
BY EMEL AKAN

August 23, 2020 Updated: August 23, 2020


WASHINGTON—States with the highest tax burdens, such as New York, Illinois, and California, continue to lose residents this year as tax rates have a significant effect on the growth and prosperity of the states, economists say.

“The evidence is clear that competitive tax rates, thoughtful regulations, and responsible spending lead to more opportunities for all Americans,” according to the “Rich States, Poor States” report by the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), a conservative nonprofit organization.

The annual report ranks states based on their competitiveness and economic outlook by examining the policy choices made by the states and their impact.
In 2019, Utah ranked No. 1 for economic outlook, followed by Wyoming, Idaho, Indiana, and North Carolina; the state has earned the top ranking for 13 consecutive years.

According to Jonathan Williams, ALEC’s chief economist, Utah has implemented many reforms “that have been ahead of the curve.”

Utah’s lawmakers saw the unfunded liability problem in the state pension system and took bold actions to fix it after the financial crisis of 2008. The state also revised its property tax system.

“It’s not just a theory. This is really playing out in practice. And we see Americans continue to move into Utah. And Utah is just booming right now,” Williams told the show “NTD Business.”

“We continue to see this phenomenon where Americans vote with their feet. And they’re voting very strongly away from states with high tax burdens and less economic opportunities,” he said.

The states that gained the most in population over the past decade were Texas (more than 1.2 million, 15th on the economic outlook list) and Florida (more than 1.1 million, 7th on the list).

According to Williams, these states provide a pro-business environment, better tax policy, and more economic competition.

The bottom five states on the economic outlook ranking were New York, Vermont, New Jersey, Illinois, and California.

“When you look at the bottom states again, you see those states that have the highest tax rates, and they’re not phasing out, either,” economist Arthur Laffer, who co-authored the report, said on Aug. 11 during a webinar hosted by ALEC.

Both California and New York, for example, have proposals for large tax increases, he noted.

New York is “a treasure for America,” but “even treasures can have their gooses cooked over taxes, and I think that’s what you’re really seeing here,” Laffer said.

New York maintains the second-highest top marginal personal income tax rate and the highest top marginal corporate income tax rate, according to the report. The state lost more than 1.3 million residents between 2009 and 2018 to more economically competitive states.

The report also shows that big reforms have significantly helped states such as Wyoming, Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Delaware, and Montana. These states improved their national rankings in 2019 by keeping their spending in check, which allowed them to reduce tax burdens, Williams said.

“You’re seeing just a migration of people out of these high tax states,” Stephen Moore, economist and a co-author of the ALEC report, said during the webinar.

“And it’s really putting stress on the budgets of these states like New York, Connecticut, New Jersey, and Rhode Island. These states are being kind of bled to death, year after year,” he said.

According to Moore, despite the pandemic, several states, including Utah, South Dakota, Nebraska, and Iowa, have already balanced their budgets this year without massive income taxes.

The report illustrates each states’ competitiveness and economic outlook using 15 equally weighted policy variables, including tax rates, regulations, spending, and right-to-work labor policy. It also examines trends from past decades as well as policy choices made in 2019.


 
The problem is, for the higher taxes, you get to support undocumented immigrants who constantly complain about you, want your police defunded, and believe you are the devil.

Gratitude is what's missing.
Anybody who refers to border hopping illegal alien spic trash as "undocumented immigrants" deserves to be smacked repeatedly for being a newspeak faggot.
 
With work from home, this shit sucks for the local. Last time I was in Austin I was talking to the uber driver (black immigrant) and he absolutely hated all the California faggots who moved in and drove the price up on everything.

These Cali refugees are still getting their large tech paychecks while getting to live in a low cost place which results in them buying up property and telling their friends how great it is who proceed to do the same. Eventually all the locals get driven out.
 
Can I get an explanation for this? I always thought that the reason why places like NY and CA paid more at jobs was because the cost of living was higher. If I go to a state like Massachusetts or Missouri and make less, how would I have more saved up to where I could afford my own place with plenty of money left on the side for necessities and whatever else?
Unless you are a very qualified person getting a high-end job, the jobs for every day people really don't cut it and you spend a huge amount of your income on rent, food, etc. You make more, but you end up having less in your savings account at the end of the day because the rent is just that damn high. Couple that with the fact that many people who grow up in those states feel that a college degree is absolutely necessary (and many times it is for anything that isn't the most brain dead labor) and they have debt to pay off as well. There are people who have trouble leaving cali because they spend all their money on necessities and can't afford the expenses to escape.
For other states the wages you get end up being better for the cost of living and there's less unnecessary qualifications (like needing a degree to be a manager at starbucks)
 
Can I get an explanation for this? I always thought that the reason why places like NY and CA paid more at jobs was because the cost of living was higher. If I go to a state like Massachusetts or Missouri and make less, how would I have more saved up to where I could afford my own place with plenty of money left on the side for necessities and whatever else?
A one bedroom bug pod in NYC is going to set you back 2500 a month minimum unless you want to live in gang territory. In Springfield Missouri, a similar apartment (which is hard to find because in the non-bug world a one bed is seen as undesirable) costs 500. Yes, one fifth the price.

That right there is saving you 24k a year. That's one and a half times minimum wage for doing nothing but not living in concrete purgatory. That doesn't take into account increased the increased cost of groceries, utilities, and transportation, all of which are higher in NYC and will set you back another couple thousand a year more than a "small" town.

Don't live in NYC? Rochester, perhaps? You're still going to be netting $4000 more a year after cost of living is taken into account. And that's in one of the biggest cities in the state.
If you're willing to move an hour outside the city and commute, you'll be enjoying $5500 extra a year and a near zero crime rate.

I know this sounds like an ad for Missouri, but I just picked a state and some cities at random. I've never even been there. It doesn't matter though. The same holds true for nearly any state in America that isn't choked with crime, welfare, and leftism. But I repeat myself.
 
"We're smarter than you conservatives!"
They get everything they want and then go running for the hills to start it again. ... Isn't this a plot in a science fiction show where galactic roaches with big noses and cold hands... forget it.
 
"Now that I'm a Texan, I have a right to take your guns away."

That's pretty much Virginia in 2020, ain't it? 🤷🏼‍♂️

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If I go to a state like Massachusetts or Missouri and make less,

Um, Massachusetts is insanely expensive, pretty much everywhere in the state at this point. Especially real estate. The 2008 bust never really came to the state and things have only gotten crazier since. Randomly look up listings on zillow in shitholes like Brockton or Worcester sometime.

Brazilians seemed to be everywhere, too, last time I was there. As in, gas stations do the "Cash purchasers pay inside" signs in English, Spanish and Portuguese now. Never seen that anywhere else.
 
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The problem isn't just taxes, but jobs and cost of living.
Minimum wage in Alabama is 8 dollars, compared to 15 in CA, but those 8 dollar will get you much farther in Alabama than the 15 in CA.
This is why you won't magically solve poverty or uplift the poor by raising minimum wage to 15/hour. You need all sorts of structural changes to make cost of living cheaper, like cheap healthcare (including price of drugs), cheap insurance, cheap utilities, cheap gas, etc.

The Democrats want the sort of socialism that leaves it easy for the billionaires and megacorps to weather the policies they propose but will kill small business, the possibility to open small businesses, and innovation in general. It's pure "corporate socialism".
Um, Massachusetts is insanely expensive, pretty much everywhere in the state at this point. Especially real estate. The 2008 bust never really came to the state and things have only gotten crazier since. Randomly look up listings on zillow in shitholes like Brockton or Worcester sometime.
That's why they all hop the border to New Hampshire and infest Nashua and Manchester. Plenty in Maine too, even if they haven't yet made Portland, Maine as bad as the other Portland. Massachusetts competes well with New York for being California East.
 
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