Snowflake shoe0nhead / June Lapine / June La Porta & Armoured Skeptic / Gregory "Greg" Fluhrer - A poor man's Boxxy: rejected by Vaush, disowned by /pol/ for burning coal, sleeps in a dog's bed surrounded by trash, and her ex-boyfriend.

[SBG]

I see their support of socialism as being a deranged construction in the same vein as intersectionality.

With intersectionality, they take a variety of little fights they believe in, being against racism, against homophobia, against sexism and so on, and lump all of them together into a great big misshaped blob that no one sane could interpret as a real thing. Like when they go on about Black Trans Women's Lives Matter, essentially racking up all their perceived enemies together so they can't make any real headway on all those minor fights since they'd then have the people that disagree on everything being sexist, transphobic, or racist all grouped together against them.

With the x-treme online socialists, they do the same retarded shit where they even end up with people on the far left questioning why they need to be in favor of redistributing people's wealth or wanting to mutilate kids genitalia in order to band together in support of lower healthcare costs. They've constructed this deranged version of socialism that can never exist in reality where half of it isn't even about economics, so we end up with Shoe promoting homophobic talking points in the form of the trans ideology and railing against police enforcing laws against criminals with a cherry on top in the form of racism with most of these people implying blacks can't possibly be expected to avoid committing crime.

 

[Pistoleer]

Not only YouTube isn't a real job, Shoe believes that she's part of Google Corp. because she gets a check from them. That's like saying that I am part of the, dunno, Coca Cola company because I deliver them their mail daily and they pay me for it.

This is why it’s always boggled my mind how Youtubers bitch about youtube being draconian but also consider it a real job. When:
1: they did not create nor do they own the platform they use.
2: they don’t actually work for YouTube itself.
It would be like a phone sex operator using a phone in the at&t office then bitching about abiding by their rules. Admittedly I think youtube needs a clearer definition of what it is as a company, but that’s a bag of cats I don’t want to open here.

 

[Jack Awful]

This is why it’s always boggled my mind how Youtubers bitch about youtube being draconian but also consider it a real job. When:
1: they did not create nor do they own the platform they use.
2: they don’t actually work for YouTube itself.
It would be like a phone sex operator using a phone in the at&t office then bitching about abiding by their rules. Admittedly I think youtube needs a clearer definition of what it is as a company, but that’s a bag of cats I don’t want to open here.

YouTube is shit, YouTubers know it, and they constantly complain about it, but refuse to create a backup plan for if they lose their channel or audience because "Muh YouTube IS a real job!"

"YouTube is shit! They constantly demonitize me, de-prioritize me from the algorithm, and I could be permabanned at any time for no reason and with no way of getting my account back!"

"Have you considered learning a skill you can use to find another job if the YouTube money dries up?"

"ARE YOU IMPLYING YOUTUBER ISN'T A REAL JOB?!?!?!"

 

[Tasty Tatty]

YouTube is shit, YouTubers know it, and they constantly complain about it, but refuse to create a backup plan for if they lose their channel or audience because "Muh YouTube IS a real job!"

"YouTube is shit! They constantly demonitize me, de-prioritize me from the algorithm, and I could be permabanned at any time for no reason and with no way of getting my account back!"

"Have you considered learning a skill you can use to find another job if the YouTube money dries up?"

"ARE YOU IMPLYING YOUTUBER ISN'T A REAL JOB?!?!?!"

To be fair, this ain't exclusive to YTers. I know a lot of people who complain about their jobs but don't leave. It's because, as much as they need their jobs, they also want to be activists and "make a change".

But sure, many of them don't realise their job is even less stable than some IRL part time job. Even if they don't want the effort of starting a business, at least they should invest their money for the future. I think some are doing that, but Shoe's not among them.

 

[Based Papa John]

YouTube is shit, YouTubers know it, and they constantly complain about it, but refuse to create a backup plan for if they get fired because "Muh YouTube IS a real job!"

"YouTube is shit! They constantly demonitize me, de-prioritize me from the algorithm, and I could be permabanned at any time for no reason and with no way of getting my account back!"

"Have you considered learning a skill you can use to find another job if the YouTube money dries up?"

"ARE YOU IMPLYING YOUTUBER ISN'T A REAL JOB?!?!?!"

This is what I despise about most "content creators." Look, we realize you don't want a real job, so don't complain when YouTube treats you like crap.

There's one mid-tier conservative YouTuber who constantly complains about how long he has to wait for his videos to clear YouTube's guidelines for monetization. He basically has to ask daddy YouTube for permission to get his NEET bux.

It's even worse when they have a subscription service, only to find creative ways to either not make content or make crappier content.

 

[Jack Awful]

To be fair, this ain't exclusive to YTers. I know a lot of people who complain about their jobs but don't leave. It's because, as much as they need their jobs, they also want to be activists and "make a change".

But sure, many of them don't realise their job is even less stable than some IRL part time job. Even if they don't want the effort of starting a business, at least they should invest their money for the future. I think some are doing that, but Shoe's not among them.

This is what I despise about most "content creators." Look, we realize you don't want a real job, so don't complain when YouTube treats you like crap.

There's one mid-tier conservative YouTuber who constantly complains about how long he has to wait for his videos to clear YouTube's guidelines for monetization. He basically has to ask daddy YouTube for permission to get his NEET bux.

It's even worse when they have a subscription service, only to find creative ways to either not make content or make crappier content.

It isn't even that they're bitching about YouTube. Complaining is fine and it can help create change (theoretically, it won't work on Google) and can be cathartic.

I'm annoyed that they complain that they're a bad day away from losing everything, but refusing to create a safety net because they think they're too good to get a non YouTube job like the gross plebs.

 

[Doctor Placebo]

It isn't even that they're bitching about YouTube. Complaining is fine and it can help create change (theoretically, it won't work on Google) and can be cathartic.

I'm annoyed that they complain that they're a bad day away from losing everything, but refusing to create a safety net because they think they're too good to get a non YouTube job like the gross plebs.

One thing I'll say in their defense is that most people absolutely will not go to a video uploading site other than Youtube to watch stuff. Yeah, you can start a backup channel on Bitchute or get a D-Live account or whatever, but if you're popular and lucky, maybe 10% of your Youtube audience will follow you there if you leave Youtube.

Most people really are programmed to all herd into a few major social media network sites these days. It's not like in the early days of the internet when there were all these different little groups and people would roam all around the web. Typing in all those domain names is just too hard apparently. Some competition has risen against Twitter, but that's only because Twitter and its user base has become so phenomenally shitty. Youtube hasn't reached that level with viewers yet, only video makers.

 

[Chilson]

One thing I'll say in their defense is that most people absolutely will not go to a video uploading site other than Youtube to watch stuff. Yeah, you can start a backup channel on Bitchute or get a D-Live account or whatever, but if you're popular and lucky, maybe 10% of your Youtube audience will follow you there if you leave Youtube.

Most people really are programmed to all herd into a few major social media network sites these days. It's not like in the early days of the internet when there were all these different little groups and people would roam all around the web. Typing in all those domain names is just too hard apparently. Some competition has risen against Twitter, but that's only because Twitter and its user base has become so phenomenally shitty. Youtube hasn't reached that level with viewers yet, only video makers.

You can't really blame people for this phenomena to be honest. Choice fatigue is a thing and its just easier to go to one location for all your content. Its why cable packages were so popular and why so many different alt-streaming services are popping up and dying near instantly while amazon prime video and Netflix are so strong because they offer a little bit of everything rather than super niche programming.

 

[Inquisitor_BadAss]

So it was Sargon to fire the first shot in the Skeptic civil war. Now will queen Shoe simply lift the drawbridge on the castle or send her own champion to face Shortfatotaku.

 

[Doctor Placebo]

You can't really blame people for this phenomena to be honest. Choice fatigue is a thing and its just easier to go to one location for all your content. Its why cable packages were so popular and why so many different alt-streaming services are popping up and dying near instantly while amazon prime video and Netflix are so strong because they offer a little bit of everything rather than super niche programming.

I don't think it's fair to compare a paid subscription service to something you can get for free by typing a couple of words on a keyboard. Flipping between tabs with Youtube, Bitchute, and Storyfire, or whatever the hell Leafy went to, is an absolute minimum of effort and if that gives you "choice fatigue" you're clearly an evolutionary dead end.

I'd say the real problem for most Youtube competitors is they're oversaturated with shitty content and have bad search optimization and algorithms.

So it was Sargon to fire the first shot in the Skeptic civil war. Now will queen Shoe simply lift the drawbridge on the castle or send her own champion to face Shortfatotaku.

She can send Skept... oh wait. She doesn't have anyone to send to white knight for her, although I'm sure plenty of simp nobodies will be willing to do the job free of charge.

 

[Overly Serious]

2: they don’t actually work for YouTube itself.
It would be like a phone sex operator using a phone in the at&t office then bitching about abiding by their rules. Admittedly I think youtube needs a clearer definition of what it is as a company, but that’s a bag of cats I don’t want to open here.

Eh, it's not a good comparison. That phone sex operator can go elsewhere and use a phone from somewhere else. Going to another public video service is a death sentence for your viewing numbers on the modern Googleweb.

YouTubers are well within their rights to bitch about YouTube when it's the only realistic option.

 

[Ethan Ralphs Micro Penis]

In a few years when the right becomes the underdog again (because apparantely getting kicked off most sites purely for not agreeing with the admins isn't repression), I'm guessing most of Breadtube will lose its audience and the commentators will move over.

Imagine Vaush trying to pander to Sargon.

 

[Chilson]

I don't think it's fair to compare a paid subscription service to something you can get for free by typing a couple of words on a keyboard. Flipping between tabs with Youtube, Bitchute, and Storyfire, or whatever the hell Leafy went to, is an absolute minimum of effort and if that gives you "choice fatigue" you're clearly an evolutionary dead end.

I'd say the real problem for most Youtube competitors is they're oversaturated with shitty content and have bad search optimization and algorithms.


She can send Skept... oh wait. She doesn't have anyone to send to white knight for her, although I'm sure plenty of simp nobodies will be willing to do the job free of charge.

You seem to think I am defending YouTube, I am not. Merely explaining why Youtube, which is similar to a steaming service, holds such dominance over its competitors from a customer perspective.

Choice fatigue is something everyone experiences over the most seemingly pointless decisions. For example, you are mentally fatigued by simple choices like what you are going to wear and what you are going to eat for breakfast. Its not a lot, but it all adds up over the day and video streaming is so prominent in our daily lives that the extra bit of fatigue of deciding to move from one service to another is too much for most people who work for a living.

 

[Big Brown Schlub]

In a few years when the right becomes the underdog again (because apparantely getting kicked off most sites purely for not agreeing with the admins isn't repression), I'm guessing most of Breadtube will lose its audience and the commentators will move over.

Imagine Vaush trying to pander to Sargon.

Makes me shudder to think that the current anti-anti-SJWs that replaced the anti-SJWs are gonna be replaced by anti-anti-anti-SJWs, who are in turn gonna be replaced by anti-anti-anti-anti SJWs. Makes you wanna start reading Revelations and hope it comes true soon.

 

[Pistoleer]

Eh, it's not a good comparison. That phone sex operator can go elsewhere and use a phone from somewhere else. Going to another public video service is a death sentence for your viewing numbers on the modern Googleweb.

YouTubers are well within their rights to bitch about YouTube when it's the only realistic option.

I’ll admit it’s a shit comparison but you’ve got Part of what I was trying to get at anyway. It’s stupid to bank your living on a career that is pretty much controlled by one group with zero real competition, when you have no other skills to fall back on. But that’s shoe, a walking sack of poor life choices.
And sure they can bitch, but it’s still not their website. They don’t own it google does. Until someone decides settle the publisher/platform issue and apply concrete rules. I have no problem with them getting bounced for whatever reason google sees fit to apply.

 

[Don't Tread on Me]

Imagine Vaush trying to pander to Sargon.

"I too haven't had sex with my wife in ten years!"

 

[real fake]

y'know, it's actually kinda impressive that shoe managed to attach herself to ecelebs even more repulsive than preggory after the breakup.

 

[Bad Take Crucifier]

As others have said, the Google-monopoly is bullshit. That said, if a YouTuber is only banking on their cult of personality to keep them afloat, they're doing it wrong. Lots of people open up proper online shops that have an appeal outside of their personal cult brand. There are also plenty of people who have well-established jobs and careers outside of YouTube, but they use social media like YT to supplement their business and utilize skills or knowledge that would otherwise go to waste,

Wasn't capitalism established by the weaker members of society? The bean counters who didn't want to do hard labor, so they went into management positions. Money lenders who charged high interest for their services, which put the hunters and gatherers into debt.

No, it wasn't. How do you self contradict so hard in less than one sentence? "They were the weak members of society thus they were able to tell everybody what to do!" ...? Also, you have different parts of history mixed up: The hunter gatherers lived tens of thousands of years ago, while modern money and money-lending was invented very recently in comparison. You sound like a closet communist. Wait, Vaush, is that you?

 

[draggs]

Wasn't capitalism established by the weaker members of society? The bean counters who didn't want to do hard labor, so they went into management positions. Money lenders who charged high interest for their services, which put the hunters and gatherers into debt. Like CEOs that give themselves bonuses even after they've bankrupted their companies and lost money for all their stockholders. The communist party operates in a similar fashion for its glorious leaders, as the overseers live relatively well compared to its laborers. I suspect many communists are capitalists in disguise. Shoe is one of these people who totes the superiority of socialism, whilst reaping in the benefits of capitalism. I can't tell if it's because she's a hypocrite or just disingenuous.

Lolwut modern capitalism began in the late middle ages. Various developments made it profitable to produce surpluses to sell, whereas at the height of the feudal era communities were economically and socially isolated from each other and essentially operated as autarkies. Trade was dangerous, what with all the viking and saracen rampaging and private warfare between feudal lords. By the late middle ages the muslims had been checked, the viking raids were long over, strong kings backed by efficient administrative states had cracked down on private warfare, and selling surpluses became a more reliably profitable proposition.

Kings and lords and serfs all benefited. capitalism was created by both the strong and the weak because it was more beneficial to them than feudalism was. The king got more (and more regular) tax revenue from increased commerce, so he could fund official, loyal national armies and administrators instead of relying on his vassals and their feudal contingents who were less reliably loyal. The lord could get more money to fund the high life of a noble and any other ambitions he might have. the serf could get out of his obligations to the lord except the rent on the land he lived on and worked. Which he paid in money where before he paid in labor. Because that's what the lord wanted now. Money. Not service. Eventually the serf made enough money to buy land from his lord and become a free farmer.

There's a lot I left out (like the growth of towns and the industries that operated in them, and the townspeople, who became distinct as a socioeconomic class from the agricultural serfs), I could drone on about this at way too much length and this is already getting too long. So yeah capitalism was not created by the weak nobodies who wanted easy jobs as bean counters.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

So, Google is a monopoly and the "anti-capitalists" are so happy with it...

Ah, commies.