U.S. Riots of May 2020 over George Floyd and others - ITT: a bunch of faggots butthurt about worthless internet stickers

[Meat Target]

If this Kyle story doesn't get memoryholed, I think it's a turning point. Reading it over, assuming everything's true, if this kid was just guarding a local business that would have seen 10s of 1000s of damages otherwise... how is anyone supposed to sympathize with the rioters or looters at all in any respect? You can't spin this. Protesters don't firebomb people, plain and simple. It's going to make people stop and think, I think, especially because he's a minor. It gives the story a more personal punch to people who might otherwise be unconvinced. And once you lose any trace of sympathy for the rioters, the looters, the dead here - you start to connect dots elsewhere.

You look at the DNC and how it completely ignored mentioning any of the violence, rioting, looting - all just happy-go-lucky protests that get a little shouty sometimes haha
And the RNC has the perfect opportunity to draw in those people who were unsure before by mentioning them, condemning them, condemning violence, and throwing the blame at the idle governors and mayors. Which is where those dots were leading.

Only problem is that, in most states (TX being the exception), it's not legal to use deadly force just to protect property, if you're not in imminent danger of death.

It sucks, and I don't agree with it, but that's how it is. Reason I keep urging caution and am not cheering this on too zealously is because, though I'm not a lawyer, I wanna share what I know to keep Kiwis out of jail.
Edit: speak of the ninja:

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According to leddit, self defense is never appropriate.

Kenosha Kyle should get off free, two acts of self defense, I want to give to his legal defense right now.

I agree with the first guy, but the last guy has a point. One could argue Kenosha Kyle was looking for trouble.

Pick your battles and make a list of people you're willing to go to prison for.

 

[Judge Dredd]

One thing I just noticed. When someone screams for a medic, they're immediately surrounded with guys with cameras and phones. I appreciate the dedication to covering this, but if I was the guy who'd just been shot, I wouldn't want the "medics" blocked by a bunch of people chasing retweets.

 

[Gehenna]

Only problem is that, in most states (TX being the exception), it's not legal to use deadly force just to protect property, if you're not in imminent danger of death.

It sucks, and I don't agree with it, but that's how it is. Reason I keep urging caution and am not cheering this on too zealously is because, though I'm not a lawyer, I wanna share what I know to keep Kiwis out of jail.

It actually is legal in Wisconsin. Under a few previsions, the main one being that you are either related to the property owned or the property owner has you acting as their agent. The law does say that shooting to kill is illegal, but it says lethal force is not.

Seems contradictory, but basically "You can't just outright WANT to kill them, but if your bullet hits them and they die you are fine"

 

[Bakarina]

I took a break from this website for the weekend and everything went to shit. Holy hell, and I thought this shit was starting to die down.

I hope the kid that was forced to defend himself is okay in the end. It's most likely going to be on his record for the rest of his life but hopefully not too much harm will be done to him.

 

[draggs]

Only problem is that, in most states (TX being the exception), it's not legal to use deadly force just to protect property, if you're not in imminent danger of death.

It sucks, and I don't agree with it, but that's how it is. Reason I keep urging caution and am not cheering this on too zealously is because, though I'm not a lawyer, I wanna share what I know to keep Kiwis out of jail.

Lucky for him he used deadly force not to protect property but to protect his own person then. He doesnt fire a shot in either video until after he has been physically attacked.

 

[Kane Lives]

Only problem is that, in most states (TX being the exception), it's not legal to use deadly force just to protect property, if you're not in imminent danger of death.

It sucks, and I don't agree with it, but that's how it is. Reason I keep urging caution and am not cheering this on too zealously is because, though I'm not a lawyer, I wanna share what I know to keep Kiwis out of jail.

It's a good thing then, that the kid has a reasonable case to make that he thought that his life was in imminent danger, and there was no other avenue of retreat.

All the footage that came out so far has supported this case, with the only question being what sparked this off to begin with. I'll laugh if it's something stupid like the kid asking the pantifas to not torch the business politely and was answered with the molotov.

 

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Only problem is that, in most states (TX being the exception), it's not legal to use deadly force just to protect property, if you're not in imminent danger of death.

Good thing they threw a firebomb at him then, eh?

If Kyle is smart he has went completely radio silent and didn't say a single fucking thing to the cops. Nothing. Nothing at all other than "I am a minor and need you to call my parents and lawyer."

 

[DeadFish]

Remember new Mexico? Guy who swung with a skateboard got ventilated too. Guess I'm seeing a pattern.

 

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Remember new Mexico? Guy who swung with a skateboard got ventilated too. Guess I'm seeing a pattern.

Skateboarders get the bullet too?

 

[HeyYou]

Only problem is that, in most states (TX being the exception), it's not legal to use deadly force just to protect property, if you're not in imminent danger of death.

It sucks, and I don't agree with it, but that's how it is. Reason I keep urging caution and am not cheering this on too zealously is because, though I'm not a lawyer, I wanna share what I know to keep Kiwis out of jail.

The claims are that he didn't shoot the first person until people pointed guns at him, started chasing him, and threw a molotov at him. The dipshit boogs on the ground claim they heard three handgun shots first, as well. I don't know if the person who threw a molotov was the very first person to have been shot, but in every video he has only every fired when directly attacked. The original claim was that he fired at bald manlet when he made a fakeout move at him in front of the dealership, but I don't know if that's still true.

 

[Evo]

If this Kyle story doesn't get memoryholed, I think it's a turning point. Reading it over, assuming everything's true, if this kid was just guarding a local business that would have seen 10s of 1000s of damages otherwise... how is anyone supposed to sympathize with the rioters or looters at all in any respect? You can't spin this. Protesters don't firebomb people, plain and simple. It's going to make people stop and think, I think, especially because he's a minor. It gives the story a more personal punch to people who might otherwise be unconvinced. And once you lose any trace of sympathy for the rioters, the looters, the dead here - you start to connect dots elsewhere.

You look at the DNC and how it completely ignored mentioning any of the violence, rioting, looting - all just happy-go-lucky protests that get a little shouty sometimes haha
And the RNC has the perfect opportunity to draw in those people who were unsure before by mentioning them, condemning them, condemning violence, and throwing the blame at the idle governors and mayors. Which is where those dots were leading.

Unlikely - how did the deaths of people like David Dorn not stop sympathy? Elderly black man butchered by young black boys in the middle of a riot did nothing to assuage support for the riots; my guy, I'm going to be honest with you, if these people still support riots after watching months of cities burn and people die, why the fuck are they gonna care now that some white boy the left gets to villainize came out and defended himself?

Normal, regular, good people were never in 'support' of this shit to begin with - those indifferent to it, will remain indifferent to it so long as it does not directly threaten their lives and those in support of it will continue to support it - there is no fucking magical 'median' of dialogue to reach anymore considering both sides have dug in completely from an ideological perspective.

I hate that this is where we are in the world.

I can't figure out why we capitalize black but not white.

 

[mr.moon1488]

One thing I just noticed. When someone screams for a medic, they're immediately surrounded with guys with cameras and phones. I appreciate the dedication to covering this, but if I was the guy who'd just been shot, I wouldn't want the "medics" blocked by a bunch of people chasing retweets.

Lol, I mean their "medics" are just chicks too morbidly obese to participate in the rioting directly 99% of the time. In this case, even if it was a trained 68W or paramedic, the dude would almost certainly be dead. @Drain Todger is most likely right and the little bit of movement you see in the video from him is just a post mortem reflex.

 

[draggs]

The "he was looking for trouble" argument crashes on the rocks of the videos of him earlier in the night emphatically not looking for trouble trying to convince joggers he's not against them. Any half decent criminal defense attorney would be able to create loads of reasonable doubt in the minds of jurors here.

 

[Reverend]

He's pointing the gun in his face. No way this kid is convicted. Since he's been doxed Antifags are gearing up to harass his family.
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See, now you know why civil war is bad. With all the dead rioters people use the chaos to settle scores the old fashioned way. Or get their serial killer/rapist/torture groove on, it's just another corpse.

PLEASE DO THIS PLEASE GOTO HIS FAMILY'S HOUSE. PLEASE SHOW UP AT A HOUSE WHO HAS NO PROBLEM SHOWING THEIR KIDS HOW TO SHOOT AND ALLOWING THEM ACCESS TO SEMI-AUTO WEAPONS!

I can't pray for this enough to have that house turn into a goddamn Walking Dead scenario of the family shooting every cunt who steps foot on their property. The sheer hubris of these Twitterits thinking they are Strong/Brave against a family that will go into lockdown mode and defend themselves is going to be laughable.

Castle Doctrine Law in Indiana (Kid is rumored to be from Indiana not Wisconsin)

Your right to self-defense: 5 things to know about defending yourself in Indiana

Local officials explain what rights are protected under Indiana's Castle Doctrine.

www.courierpress.com

3. Invading someone's home legally justifies deadly force.
Part of Indiana’s self-defense law follows what is sometimes called Castle Doctrine — policy that grants a person the right to defend themselves in their own home. It goes one step beyond the rest of Indiana's self-defense policy, though.

Under Castle Doctrine, a home's resident does not have to articulate why they reasonably believed an intruder would have hurt them or another person in order to justify using deadly force. The fact that the intruder illegally entered or attacked the other person's home is considered proof of a threat.

However, that Castle Doctrine policy only applies in someone's dwelling, the attached property — like a yard or porch — or their vehicle, while it is occupied.

A workplace or other public area does not qualify a person for the Castle Doctrine protections unless they sleep in the same building, Hermann told the audience.

 

[robobobo]

Even in clear-cut self defense situations it can be dicey for gun owners, which is why any concealed carry class will strongly emphasize not shooting people until the very last resort. I'd give the kid 50/50 odds of avoiding prison, because even though there's video evidence of him being attacked in the moment, you can bet any lawyer is going to go the "he knowingly put himself in the situation" route.

 

[It's HK-47]

I love that the dude who had his dominant arm blown off is actively gripping a gun in all of these photographs. The media probably had a raging hard-on when they first heard that someone had their arm blown off in the peaceful protests only to realize that this dude was a gun-wielding idiot who was trying to shoot a man who was already being beaten on the ground.

That one, little object just completely spoils the optics of the entire ordeal, it's fantastic.

 

[Male Idiot]

Nothing wrong with antifa becoming goodified.

 

[Kane Lives]

I can't figure out why we capitalize black but not white.

Apparently, it's from a journo directive during the initial BLM mania that mandated that Black be capitalized. Something, something historical reparation.

It's utterly stupid, and I'm seeing it even in the media in my bumfuck third world country. (Though likely they just copypasted whatever they got off AP or Reuters.)

 

[Sheryl Nome]

The claims are that he didn't shoot the first person until people pointed guns at him, started chasing him, and threw a molotov at him. The dipshit boogs on the ground claim they heard three handgun shots first, as well. I don't know if the person who threw a molotov was the very first person to have been shot, but in every video he has only every fired when directly attacked. The original claim was that he fired at bald manlet when he made a fakeout move at him in front of the dealership, but I don't know if that's still true.

I've seen a lot of talk on the net about how it wasn't a molotov and didn't hit him or place him in danger.

I want to point out when it comes to self defense, it doesn't matter if you are actually in danger, it matters if a reasonable person in your position would fear for their life or grevious bodily harm

You can be in no -actual- danger, but if someone puts you in that apprehension and you shoot, you are justified.

Fuck around and find out.

 

[Meat Target]

It actually is legal in Wisconsin. Under a few previsions, the main one being that you are either related to the property owned or the property owner has you acting as their agent. The law does say that shooting to kill is illegal, but it says lethal force is not.

Seems contradictory, but basically "You can't just outright WANT to kill them, but if your bullet hits them and they die you are fine"

Well, that's the intent in any defensive shooting. It's the Principle of Double Effect: preserving your own life means using deadly force against an unjust aggressor. Staying alive should be your intent, not killing the other guy.