U.S. Riots of May 2020 over George Floyd and others - ITT: a bunch of faggots butthurt about worthless internet stickers

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Not a lawyer but I think you still get charged with something after an incident and you plead self-defense in court and make your case. Its not as simple as, "Oh you said it was self defense? Okay, you're free to go!" as that would be retarded. They still have to investigate and if they investigate I think they have to go to trial too? Has he been held without bail or is he released?

Edit: Looked it up and I got this: https://www.gddlaw.com/2020/03/17/claiming-self-defense-criminal-case/
So I guess they don't HAVE to charge him? Unless its different because of the state? I have no idea. Either way its open and shut. There is so much internet video proving he attempted to retreat to safety MULTIPLE times that they couldn't get this shit to fly unless they stack the jury. And if they're charging him in the county it happened in, I have a feeling the jury is going to be more than sympathetic to the kid.

They never have to actually go to trial. Prosecutorial discretion. You could outright murder 12 people in the middle of the street live on 7 different streams and they don't *have* to prosecute at all if they don't feel like it.

Usually, if it's not immediately clear exactly what happened they'll arrest you (usually not charge though) and conduct the investigation, and if the police tell the DA's office "yeah, our investigation turned up a clear case of self defense" it'll get dropped.

Because the last thing any prosecutor anywhere wants is the police being called as a defensive witness backing up the story of self defense. It'd be an unwinnable case.
 
They literally can't charge him for that. First degree means premeditated - he had to have planned to kill him.

I mean. They can. They just can't prove it, and they're going to rack up court fees wasting time on the charge. They can charge him with other accounts at the same time (like varying degrees of manslaughter) and just hope those stick.


Should know my posts well-enough to know I won't chide you for 'wishful thinking', especially as someone speaking from a centre-left perspective, I'm just here to politely remind you of the sociological reality we're living in - naiveté never served anyone well when bullets started whizzing, friendo.

Aye, ultimately. I'd say you represent one of the more extreme political ideologies around here in one of the most polite and cordial ways possible.

In the context of open and overt conflict that spills out of a handful of concentrated areas - which, indeed, Kenosha suggests is a very real possibility - high-minded ideals of persuasion and rhetoric are ultimately useless. It's more a-hoping that things don't come to that, whilst preparing (so much as is possible, at least) to keep a low profile and onesself safe should the worst-case strike.
 
I'm not really a gun guy, but isn't that exactly what the 5.56 is supposed to do? It's a small round, about the size of a .22 but fired with so much velocity that it fragments into pieces when it hits a soft target like a human body.
Eh. Bullets do all sorts of weird stuff when they hit targets and it's difficult to predict with any certainty. When you add in all of the different bullet designs and compositions ammo manufacturers use it gets real complicated real quick. 5.56 was derived from a Remington varmint round to have certain ballistic properties, not as a ground up designer cartridge that explodes in your enemies. The fragmenting deal is more of a "let's try to make it do this" thing for certain types of ammo rather than anything the entire cartridge was specifically designed to do.

Regardless there is quite a bit of energy behind them so it shouldn't be any surprise to anyone when shit gets fucked up. This ain't no 22lr.
 
What are the laws about someone under 18 owning a semiautomatc rifle in Wisconsin?

I'm wondering if they'll go after him on a firearms violation.
 
Most obvious case of self defense I've seen my whole life.

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The worst part of it for me is the faggot who got his bicep blown off. Pretending to surrender then pulling a piece to blow this kid away? Fucking disgusting coward piece of shit. He should have had his head blown off.

It's gonna really piss me off when the media spins this that he was a victim, when he fully intended to fill that kid with lead. I want that picture of him with that gun in his hand spread far and wide, I hope that they can't memoryhole that aspect of all this quick enough. Fucker got less than what he deserved.
 
What's with these Antifa "Medics" anyhow, is this a half-assed attempt at building a parallel medical system because they're afraid of hospitals turning over their guys to the cops?
EMS works closely with police and won't enter an unsafe scene (and an active riot is definitely one) without the police escorting them or clearing it first. So basically, yes.
 

...doesn't that thing do nothing but sell shirts, basically? So it's lying in flagrant contradiction of the evidence, posting a blurry-ass photo and going "look into his eyes," making shit up about shooting into the crowd... so the owner can sell some shirts. BRAVERY INCARNATE
 
Well that didn't take long :story: :story: If your the right Agenda guess noose ready for him to be sent back charged:optimistic:*sigh*
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Suspect arrested after 2 are killed at Kenosha protest
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A protester takes cover during clashes outside the Kenosha County Courthouse late Tuesday, Aug. 25, 2020, in Kenosha, Wis., during a third night of unrest following the shooting of a Black man whose attorney said he was paralyzed after being shot multiple times by police. (AP Photo/David Goldman)
KENOSHA, Wis. (AP) — Illinois police arrested a juvenile Wednesday after two people were shot to death during another night of Black Lives Matter protests in Kenosha, Wisconsin.

Commander Norman Johnson of the Antioch Police Department said the suspect — a young man whose name was not released because he is under 18 — was arrested on suspicion of first-degree intentional homicide.

Antioch is about 15 miles from Kenosha, which has seen three straight nights of unrest since the police shooting of a Black man, Jacob Blake.

Two people were killed Tuesday night in a possible vigilante attack carried out by a young white man who was caught on cellphone video opening fire in the middle of the street with a semi-automatic rifle.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. AP’s earlier story follows below.

KENOSHA, Wis. (AP) — Two people were shot to death during another night of Black Lives Matter protests in Kenosha in a possible vigilante attack carried out by a young white man who was caught on cellphone video opening fire in the middle of the street with a semi-automatic rifle.

“I just killed somebody,” he could be heard saying at one point Tuesday night.

Sheriff David Beth said that investigators had reviewed footage and that he was confident a suspect would be arrested soon.

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The gunfire erupted just before midnight, during the third straight night of unrest in Kenosha over the police shooting of a Black man, Jacob Blake.

“We were all chanting ‘Black lives matter’ at the gas station and then we heard, boom, boom, and I told my friend, `‘That’s not fireworks,’” 19-year-old protester Devin Scott told the Chicago Tribune. “And then this guy with this huge gun runs by us in the middle of the street and people are yelling, ‘He shot someone! He shot someone!’ And everyone is trying to fight the guy, chasing him and then he started shooting again.”

Scott said he cradled a lifeless victim in his arms, and a woman started performing CPR, but “I don’t think he made it.”

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One victim was shot in the head and the other in the chest, the sheriff told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. A third person suffered gunshot wounds not believed to be life-threatening.

According to witness accounts and video footage, police apparently let the young man responsible for the shootings walk past them with a rifle over his shoulder as members of the crowd were yelling for him to be arrested because he had shot people.

The sheriff told the Journal Sentinel that armed people had been patrolling the city’s streets in recent nights, but he did not know if the gunman was among them.

“They’re a militia,” Beth said. “They’re like a vigilante group.”

The FBI said it is assisting in the case.

Wisconsin Lt. Gov. Mandela Barnes, who is Black, said in an interview with the news program “Democracy Now!” that the shootings were not surprising and that white militias have been ignored for too long.

“How many times across this country do you see armed gunmen, protesting, walking into state Capitols, and everybody just thinks it’s OK?” Barnes said. “People treat that like it’s some kind of normal activity that people are walking around with assault rifles.”

Witness accounts and video show that the shootings took place in two stages: The gunman first shot someone at a car lot, then jogged away, stumbled and fell in the street, and opened fire again as members of the crowd closed in him.

A witness, Julio Rosas, 24, said that when the gunman stumbled, “two people jumped onto him and there was a struggle for control of his rifle. At that point during the struggle, he just began to fire multiple rounds and that dispersed people near him.”

“The rifle was being jerked around in all directions while it was being fired,” Rosas said.

Sam Dirks, 22, from Milwaukee, said he saw the suspected gunman earlier in the evening, and he was yelling at some of the protesters.

“He was definitely very agitated. He was pacing around, just pointing his gun in general. Not necessarily at anyone specifically,” Dirks said.

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In other widely circulating video, police can be seen tossing bottled water from an armored vehicle to what appear to be armed civilians walking the streets. One of the civilians appears to be the gunman who later shot protesters.

“We appreciate you being here,” an officer is heard saying to the group over a loudspeaker.

In Wisconsin, it is legal for people 18 and over to openly carry a gun, with no license required.

At a news conference earlier Tuesday, Ben Crump, the lawyer for Blake’s family, said it would “take a miracle” for the 29-year-old Blake to walk again. He called for the officer who opened fire to be arrested and for the others involved to lose their jobs.

Blake was shot, apparently in the back, on Sunday as he leaned into his SUV, three of his children seated inside.

Kenosha police have said little about what happened other than that they were responding to a domestic dispute. They have not said why the officers opened fire or whether Blake was armed, and they have not disclosed the race of three officers on the scene.

The shooting was captured on cellphone video and ignited new protests in the U.S. three months after the death of George Floyd under the knee of a Minneapolis police officer touched off a nationwide reckoning over racial injustice.

Blake’s father, also named Jacob Blake, said police shot his son “seven times, seven times, like he didn’t matter.”

“But my son matters. He’s a human being and he matters,” he said.

During the latest round of unrest on Tuesday, police fired tear gas for the third straight night to disperse protesters outside Kenosha’s courthouse, where some shook a protective fence and threw water bottles and fireworks at officers. On Monday night, crowds destroyed dozens of buildings and set more than 30 fires downtown.

Before the two deadly shootings, the Kenosha County Board sent a letter Tuesday to Democratic Gov. Tony Evers requesting that at least 2,000 more National Guard troops be sent. Evers initially dispatched 150 troops on Monday and increased that to 250 on Tuesday. On Wednesday, the board sent a new request, for 1,500.

“Our county is under attack. Our businesses are under attack. Our homes are under attack. Our local law enforcement agencies need additional support to help bring civility back to our community,” board leaders wrote.

Evers did not immediately respond to a request for comment Wednesday.

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“Rampage.” What the fuck kind of story is this? He was attacked by 4 grown ass men and had to defend himself. AP is so pathetic. This sure looks like a rampage... I hope he sues them.
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What are the laws about someone under 18 owning a semiautomatc rifle in Wisconsin?

I'm wondering if they'll go after him on a firearms violation.
It looks like possession by an under 18 is a misdemeanor if Wikipedia is accurate. Edit: Not entirely sure how accurate the summary on wiki was, so take with a huge grain of salt.

That said, the bigger legal mess on that front is in Illinois where the shooter allegedly lives and laws are far more restrictive.
 
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