Jerry Peet / Lily Orchard / Lily Peet / Valkyrstudios / Bhaalspawn / Tara Callie / "Mod Ebara" - Sociopath writer of pedophile fanfiction and cartoon reviews, faked getting raped to force a divorce, then mobbed and gaslit their ex off Tumblr, satanist neoliberal of the MovieSlob variety, also wants to fuck dogs and/or pokemon

[Duine In Cudromach]

Personally my contention is with Point 2.

Lily.

Lily, honey?

People like monsters.

People think monsters are super cool. It's not inherently a metaphor about being othered, it's because some people think the idea of being a werewolf or a dragon is fucking rad and it turns out you can't be a werewolf or a dragon in the real world so they make a character that's a badass bitchin' monster-person.

I know there's a ~history~ and ~implications~, but to say it's bad representation and you should feel bad is just shaming people into adhering to your aesthetics. To say monsters don't count is ridiculous. And I know that this is actually a hard rule because months ago somebody asked her 'If my entire setting is basically monsters with a couple of nominal humans, can some of the monsters be gay?' and Lily naturally blew up at them. Even though, in context of the setting, the human characters would be considered the weird (dare I say queer) creatures.

Of course it's not at all about historic symbolism, it's about aesthetics, and I'd go so far as to say it's about the fetish. She wants her romance to be about two female humanoids, and both of them have to be conventionally attractive. Exploring different species? The dynamics of alien or monster societies? Overcoming incompatible biologies because love transcends all barriers? Hell, you just like monsters? Nope. It's bad representation (because Lily can't get off to it), and you should feel bad.

 

[Icarus B. Nezzer]

Ruby and Sapphire literally fulfill the entire checklist and he's already getting salty at people pointing that out. Like he could be petty and say they're not fleshed out/three dimensional which eeehh. But I don't think you can say words like "love" and "in a relationship" and "married" aren't straightforward enough.

"Straightforward Language / No Euphemisms"
Lily will keep insisting the "I now pronounce you Garnet" line negates any good will the series may have had. If they can't directly say "wife," it's not good enough straightforward enough.

"No Overcomplicated Nonsense"
Lily: "I hate the lack of conventional romance! Why can't Ruby and Sapphire act lovey-dovey more often?"
Fans/Knobs: "Because Ruby and Sapphire being united as one person demonstrates the true strength of their love more than any romantic platitudes ever could, and the only reason they'd ever have to separate is if their relationship was struggling or the plot demands it?"
Lily: "Blah blah blah, too much lore! Anyway, it's the writer's fault for not making true love look like true love! I can't jack off to the plot!"

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

"Straightforward Language / No Euphemisms"
Lily will keep insisting the "I now pronounce you Garnet" line negates any good will the series may have had. If they can't directly say "wife," it's not good enough straightforward enough.

"No Overcomplicated Nonsense"
Lily: "I hate the lack of conventional romance! Why can't Ruby and Sapphire act lovey-dovey more often?"
Fans/Knobs: "Because Ruby and Sapphire being united as one person demonstrates the true strength of their love more than any romantic platitudes ever could, and the only reason they'd ever have to separate is if their relationship was struggling or the plot demands it?"
Lily: "Blah blah blah, too much lore! Anyway, it's the writer's fault for not making true love look like true love! I can't jack off to the plot!"

Hell, that one bit where Ruby and Sapphire make up in that motel episode was the most blatant and obvious “we are super crazy in love and this is a clear romantic relationship” thing I’ve ever seen in a cartoon.

 

[Lurk Jurk]

"No Overcomplicated Nonsense"
Lily: "I hate the lack of conventional romance! Why can't Ruby and Sapphire act lovey-dovey more often?"
Fans/Knobs: "Because Ruby and Sapphire being united as one person demonstrates the true strength of their love more than any romantic platitudes ever could, and the only reason they'd ever have to separate is if their relationship was struggling or the plot demands it?"
Lily: "Blah blah blah, too much lore! Anyway, it's the writer's fault for not making true love look like true love! I can't jack off to the plot!"

As I recall they only unfuse from having a fight twice (which is actually a good thing because it shows they're a normal couple who sometimes argue), and they'll unfuse of their own volition if it's helpful to a situation.

 

[Son Goku Baku]

Hell, that one bit where Ruby and Sapphire make up in that motel episode was the most blatant and obvious “we are super crazy in love and this is a clear romantic relationship” thing I’ve ever seen in a cartoon.

A kiss on the neck with both of them smiling like that feels a lot more intimate than a kiss on the mouth would.

As I recall they only unfuse from having a fight twice (which is actually a good thing because it shows they're a normal couple who sometimes argue), and they'll unfuse of their own volition if it's helpful to a situation.

According to tumblr, conflict=unhealthy relationship. I'd be surprised if Liliana didn't had the exact mentality.

 

[Devil-Man]

Healthy relationship. Sure.
Human/Human Adjacent Characters (Elves/Halflings yes, Monsters/Demons no). They're demons. Plus Vaggie is a moth, and Charlie is, I dunno, a puppy dog?
Relationship Starts Before Final Episode. Started before the first episode, but whatever.
No dead gays. So far, so good. Though isn't Vaggie technically dead?
Main Characters Only. Charlie, of course. Vaggie, more debatable.
Straightforward language/No Euphamisms. See my initial post here. But, in short, it's no more direct than Steven Universe or She-Ra.
No Overcomplicated Nonsense. If this is strictly referring to the relationship, then sure, it's pretty simple. If this is talking about the show itself, then it is very complex.
Fully Fleshed Out, Three Dimensional Characters. Yeah, makes me laugh too that this is "extra credit". But regardless, similar answer to the Main Character criteria. Charlie has some depth so far. Vaggie not so much.

Meeting all 7 requirements is the equivalent of a C grade. In that case, Hazbin Hotel gets a D.

On a different note,

https://archive.vn/0WF5X

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/722579458

Anyone care to double check on this? I scanned through it and caught them talking about Double Trouble at 29:40, Entrapta and Hordak at 38:40, and they discussed marginalized writers at 47:30.
Some notable chats below.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

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Healthy relationship. Sure.
Human/Human Adjacent Characters (Elves/Halflings yes, Monsters/Demons no). They're demons. Plus Vaggie is a moth, and Charlie is, I dunno, a puppy dog?
Relationship Starts Before Final Episode. Started before the first episode, but whatever.
No dead gays. So far, so good. Though isn't Vaggie technically dead?
Main Characters Only. Charlie, of course. Vaggie, more debatable.
Straightforward language/No Euphamisms. See my initial post here. But, in short, it's no more direct than Steven Universe or She-Ra.
No Overcomplicated Nonsense. If this is strictly referring to the relationship, then sure, it's pretty simple. If this is talking about the show itself, then it is very complex.
Fully Fleshed Out, Three Dimensional Characters. Yeah, makes me laugh too that this is "extra credit". But regardless, similar answer to the Main Character criteria. Charlie has some depth so far. Vaggie not so much.

Meeting all 7 requirements is the equivalent of a C grade. In that case, Hazbin Hotel gets a D.

On a different note,

https://archive.vn/0WF5X

View attachment 1550860

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/722579458

Anyone care to double check on this? I scanned through it and caught them talking about Double Trouble at 29:40, Entrapta and Hordak at 38:40, and they discussed marginalized writers at 47:30.
Some notable chats below.

Can confirm.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/she-ra-and-the-princess-of-power.45566/post-7214966

Also it’s hilarious that she wants to claim that the show was “gross”, because as I recall....

 

[Icarus B. Nezzer]

Also it’s hilarious that she wants to claim that the show was “gross”, because as I recall....
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But tbf, this always happens with Lily. She gets obsessed with some show or even some person, puts them high up on a pedestal just to knock them down the second they fuck up. She used to like Steven Universe, too.

 

[InfinityBuster]

But tbf, this always happens with Lily. She gets obsessed with some show or even some person, puts them high up on a pedestal just to knock them down the second they fuck up. She used to like Steven Universe, too.

She also used to love Tangled before finding out it was "anti-semitic" so it IS pretty evident.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

She also used to love Tangled before finding out it was "anti-semitic" so it IS pretty evident.

Also MLP: FiM.

Man, she really does just eventually hate everything.

 

[Armored Hero Fanfic]

Also MLP: FiM.

Man, she really does just eventually hate everything.

On a long enough timeline, everything gets the guillotine of lily orchard criticism

 

[Lurk Jurk]

Also MLP: FiM.

Man, she really does just eventually hate everything.

So he's just a fucking hipster. Once something gets too popular he hates it.

 

[Y2K Baby]

So he's just a fucking hipster. Once something gets too popular he hates it.

based

 

[The Janitor]

When I was a Jerry stan (many moons ago), I coined the "Assume Lily Hates It" rule. The reason why I never recommended anything is just because, if you assume Jerry hates it (or will hate it), 9 times out of 10, you'll be right, and even if she likes it now, eventually stuff will come out to make her hate it.

 

[SubarashiiRage]

the main reason Lily didn’t have “good representation” aka making a lesbian couple the center of it all and fuck the plot and other characters is how ungrateful she and her group are

it is as easy to please as it is to be hated by this community so that the moment something, however small, is not to the liking of some minority they are treated as traitors, everything they did becomes "problematic" and all their fandom throws you in the mud for not being progressive enough

when you try to pander to a bunch of "holier than thou" people nobody can have fun, make jokes, be themselves publicly without being offended because the standards are so high, so fickle and limiting and everything explodes out of proportion

Hypocrisy, they say it's about inclusion but it's always about looking for reasons to exclude people from your super exclusive and special club, as if you had some advantage of being in that club

Rebecca, Noelle and Vivziepop were "canceled" by Lily so all LGBT representations they contributed are canceled too, and Lily only talks about 5 seconds mentions of "girlfriend" or "wife" as good representations

Lily does not deserve to be pleased or pander because her standards only serve to look like she has a high and refined taste, but it is just an excuse for virtue signaling and looking like she cares about these issues besides her lesbian fetish.

Lily doesn't seem to have her own tastes anymore, she just lets her policies dictate what quality is and what she is allowed to like.

 

[Duine In Cudromach]

Main Characters Only. Charlie, of course. Vaggie, more debatable.
[...]
Fully Fleshed Out, Three Dimensional Characters. Yeah, makes me laugh too that this is "extra credit". But regardless, similar answer to the Main Character criteria. Charlie has some depth so far. Vaggie not so much.

Hah hah, it just clicked that she's specifying main characters but thinks its optional to make them fleshed out. There are genres and story types where it's perfectly acceptable or even preferable to have flat characters (if it's an action- or plot-heavy story and they have fun, bombastic personalities), but a story with a romantic focus is going to be character-driven and you really can't get away with not trying to flesh out the participants, especially if they're main characters.

Although in fairness, all of Lily's main characters in her romantically-charged character-focused stories are flat as a pancake, so...

Also, only main characters? So if I laser-focus on a gay couple then nobody around them is allowed to be LGBT+? That seems weird but okay, Lily. Whatever you say.

(I'm sure she means 'representation only counts if main characters are gay, not just side characters' but that's not how she's worded it.)

Also representation only counts if the characters have relationships so I guess if you don't want a romantic subplot in your story but one of your leads happens to be gay then go fuck yourself. I remember that Lily responded to an Ask by saying that it was 'rare' for characters to wind up being paired up at the end of a series, which is possibly one of the stupidest things I've seen her say-- far, far too many properties hook up main characters and involve romantic subplots. These are actually some of the most odious aspects of otherwise well-received stories (Avatar: The Last Airbender and Harry Potter (back when you were allowed to like it) are two of the most wide-spread examples, but if you look at most critical discussions (emphasis on critical) about media you'll find a lot of people wishing that the writers would stop wasting time with the romance and just tell their story.)

Honestly Lily's type of representation is unsurprisingly shallow. As has been said many times, it's more important for a character to use the words 'wife' and 'girlfriend' than it is to have a really sweet arc showing them affirming their love and getting married while everybody important in their life is there to support them. It's the performative trappings, which is pretty funny because Lily has expressed how much she hates 'performative' representation.

 

[InfinityBuster]

So he's just a fucking hipster. Once something gets too popular he hates it.

Actually that's not the most accurate way of putting it.

Once something stops validating her tumblr world view or her political beliefs THEN she hates it.

 

[starborn427614]

Actually that's not the most accurate way of putting it.

Once something stops validating her tumblr world view or her political beliefs THEN she hates it.

It's so obvious it's surprising that no one else in the cartoon community has called her out on it. Thankfully, at least from what I've seen on Twitter, every time someone tries to recommend her videos (especially the SU one) they get laughed of the thread. That's karmic justice enough, I think.

 

[ShiftyBoi]

Hah hah, it just clicked that she's specifying main characters but thinks its optional to make them fleshed out. There are genres and story types where it's perfectly acceptable or even preferable to have flat characters (if it's an action- or plot-heavy story and they have fun, bombastic personalities), but a story with a romantic focus is going to be character-driven and you really can't get away with not trying to flesh out the participants, especially if they're main characters.

Although in fairness, all of Lily's main characters in her romantically-charged character-focused stories are flat as a pancake, so...

Also, only main characters? So if I laser-focus on a gay couple then nobody around them is allowed to be LGBT+? That seems weird but okay, Lily. Whatever you say.

(I'm sure she means 'representation only counts if main characters are gay, not just side characters' but that's not how she's worded it.)

Also representation only counts if the characters have relationships so I guess if you don't want a romantic subplot in your story but one of your leads happens to be gay then go fuck yourself. I remember that Lily responded to an Ask by saying that it was 'rare' for characters to wind up being paired up at the end of a series, which is possibly one of the stupidest things I've seen her say-- far, far too many properties hook up main characters and involve romantic subplots. These are actually some of the most odious aspects of otherwise well-received stories (Avatar: The Last Airbender and Harry Potter (back when you were allowed to like it) are two of the most wide-spread examples, but if you look at most critical discussions (emphasis on critical) about media you'll find a lot of people wishing that the writers would stop wasting time with the romance and just tell their story.)

Honestly Lily's type of representation is unsurprisingly shallow. As has been said many times, it's more important for a character to use the words 'wife' and 'girlfriend' than it is to have a really sweet arc showing them affirming their love and getting married while everybody important in their life is there to support them. It's the performative trappings, which is pretty funny because Lily has expressed how much she hates 'performative' representation.

You know come to think of it, if a woman fucks a female dolphin somehow, isn't it still lesbian?
I mean fuck it at that point.

It's almost like it's the dynamic and actual relationship that matters, not just the label you can slap on it (unless it's a crime)
Anyway

https://archive.vn/ZA5aa

I don't shit about WoW

But imagine you heard a bunch of incels ranting that the sjws ruined...I don't know...Kylo Ren or something.

And they pledged they'd like him out of spite until they were 45 and had better things to do.

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

I'm also not that big of a WoW lore nerd, so someone can correct me, but: Isn't Arthas's entire story about how one man, in sacrificing his humanity to protect his country from Demons have been manipulating his rage for a while now, becomes a monster and only realizes what he's done when it's too late to turn back? Like, his story has nothing to do with women not wanting to bang him nor with him going "But I'm such a nice guy!"?

And wasn't Sylvanas his right hand woman for a while who was happy to commit terrible acts, but didn't like that she was getting ordered around?