Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Driftwood]

We really are damned if we do damned if we don't aren't we.

If Biden wins then the lockdowns will "magically" end since they've served their purpose (unless they grew too addicted to the rush of power which is more than possible), but then the country will be perma-fucked for a host of reasons.

And if Trump wins then they'll double if not triple down on their draconian tirade on purpose to make Americans suffer even more for daring to keep Bad Orange Man in office. Their threats of dragging this shit out for 2 years, if not more, will be very much made real.

In the event Trump wins, I have trouble believing there will not be serious backlash in moderate to conservative areas. Everyone I know is done with this shit. Liberal areas will indefinitely keep this up.

 

[behavioral swamp thang]

Trump is going to win. If you look at every presidency in the history of modern life the person people are excited to go to vote for ALWAYS wins. No one is excited for Biden. People are excited for Trump simply because he pisses off the despised libz. If only Trump would grow some damn nads and shut this shit down federally. Both candidates are utter wimps.

So, yes, we will be living in corona clown world for likely at least two, up to four more years. Which seems about right. When this all began I predicted five years of this crap. Aurevoir to the end of my twenties. At least I will have a wad of cash from lack of activity. Too bad by the time we are free milk will cost $20 a gallon.

 

[Mepsi Pax]

I would counsel against taking a blackpill approach to perceived Pro-Mask sentiment, from what I can see being vocally "Pro" mask ordinances (they're not really laws) and castigating "Anti Maskers" as plague bearers and evil spirits is a relatively fringe stance that's mostly adopted by people with fringe (left) political views. Similarly to how it can sometimes seem like everyone supports BLM, fags, trannies, or other shitlib causes du jour, especially when you're taking that impression from media bombardment or internet back-and-forth, the vociferous MASK OR DIE people are just taking advantage of our existing communication channels to propagate their retarded message in a concerted fashion. As with virtually all globalist messaging, this tends to have the full support of legacy media and corporations, causing acceptance of the message to seem ubiquitous when in fact it's a vocal minority bullying a majority who doesn't want to buck the trend.

If cops, firemen, tradesmen, business owners, lawyers, doctors, and even politicians nationwide show by their actions (if not their words) that they don't take the mask thing seriously, then you know it's just a farce... that's part of what makes it infuriating. Most people don't feel comfortable swimming upstream and standing out, it's as simple as that. They're doing it because it's easier both practically and emotionally, not because they have faith, which means that the second the pressure lets up (for one reason or another) the masks will evaporate overnight.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

That's assuming they don't get voted out

There's a very real possibility this whole thing will result in them being voted out, so at least there's some hope there.

(like the fireworks in LA despite orders)

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

I don't understand what the vaccine obsession is.
Statistically speaking a treatment would be more efficient because its easier to treat the 1-3% of people that are actually severe cases as they come than to try and vaccinate 40-70% of the population in a short window.

But nooooooo... "Only a vaccine can save us!"...

 

[HTTP Error 404]

I don't understand what the vaccine obsession is.
Statistically speaking a treatment would be more efficient because its easier to treat the 1-3% of people that are actually severe cases as they come than to try and vaccinate 40-70% of the population in a short window.

But nooooooo... "Only a vaccine can save us!"...

Conspiracy: There's something they want to push on everyone and need us all to be willing to take injections to do it.

Alt idea: It's a defined endpoint and they grasped onto it because they psychologically needed SOME defined endpoint. Sadly, their lack of understanding of any of this (realistically, we're not getting a vaccine, and even a placebo will be years out) led them to grasping onto one that's just not realistic. But they can't let go now.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

I don't understand what the vaccine obsession is.

because Vaccines are SCIENCE!!!!!!

((no not real Science, I am talking about the Pop Science backed by The Complex))

 

[knobslobbin]

I know it's election time and everyone is backing their guy, but the Republicans have begun normalizing and preparing their side for waiting to lift things until the vaccine is ready. I've seen that message start to get repeated and used in all the normal spots: fox news, Trump at the RNC event this week, the lamer national right wing radio hosts, hell even my governor of AK recently parroted that same talking point.

So I hate to be that guy (lol you know I love it!), but 2 more years of shutdown isn't acceptable under Biden, and neither is waiting until some questionable vaccine is forced on us.

Only in clown world are the options always choosing between which flavor of turd you want shat directly down your throat.

 

[DrearyDoomguy]

If only Trump would grow some damn nads and shut this shit down federally. Both candidates are utter wimps.

He probably wants to wait until there's more therapeutics available to keep death numbers low before picking a difficult fight with the 10th amendment. He underestimated the virus's potential to bounce back once, I doubt he's going to do that again. Keep in mind, as far as we know the takeaway from the sunbelt spike is that any state that hasn't had a big outbreak potentially could. Especially now that riots are revving up in to full gear again, and they at bare minimum contributed to the big June spikes. Trump may have a generally politically cavalier attitude, but when each mistake he makes could cost thousands of lives, he's likely going to tread lightly. Even if he doesn't care about the people who die, (and I imagine he probably does to some degree), for all Trump knows every person who gets killed by this thing has 10 relatives who will blame him personally for their deaths and swear a blood oath against his presidency when otherwise they would just be indifferent.

So far as I can tell the courts are upholding the bulk of the restrictions in most states, striking down only a few shutdowns of churches in New York and California. Maybe the Attorney General would win more of these legal battles, but all it takes is one federal activist injunction to stall out the effort indefinitely until the Supreme Court decides to chime in. Imagine getting into a protracted legal battle to forcibly reopen the states while the media gets to paint you as even more of a butcher than they already have in what is on its own a tough re-election bid. Some risks just aren't worth the payoff.

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

There's too much money in this shit to just declare it over and tell people to stop panicking and move on with their lives.

Bureaucratic inertia in action. States are so eager for Federal gibs right now they'd do anything to get "free" Federal money. Another big example of this is the sex offender registries maintained by every state. Once states learned they received Federal money for every person on their registries, many expanded their registries to include "sex offenses" unrelated to molestation -- the original reason for wanting them.

Maybe this will affect Whitmer and DeWine too, I'm sure they pulled some of the same shit he did.

I doubt Whitmer will be phased. The Feds wanted to question her once before about this and she defiantly refused. When a local newscaster asked her a pointed question about what metrics she was using to determine what reopens when, she dismissed his question as politicizing the issue.
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Detroit, MI

The Detroit Federation of Teachers and the public school district apparently struck a deal that averted the possibility of a safety strike. Key points of the deal:

• Voluntary testing for students and staff.
• A $750 bonus per marking period for any teacher providing in-person instruction.
• A class limit of 20 students with 6-foot social distancing enforced.
• The right to bring their school-age children to classrooms in lieu of daycare.
• Teachers that catch COVID will get paid sick leave separate from, and not counting against, their normal allotment.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/education/2020/08/28/detroit-public-school-teachers-union-coronavirus-deal/5654059002/

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On the surface, the deal seems reasonable. The provision for teachers being permittied to bring their kids to work in lieu of day care is peculiar, however. I get that there are single teachers that may have no day care options if their kids are doing remote/virtual learning. However, these same teachers that thought classroom instruction would be unsafe without this deal now having the ability to bring their own kids into the classroom with them in lieu of day care seems counter to their original argument. If the classroom is safe enough for their kids, then it has to be safe enough for everyone else to be there, too, right?

 

[Standardized Profile]

How long have people been conditioned to think of coronapanic skeptics - those who deny the narrative - as "conspiracy theorists", or as "arrogant", "selfish", or "villainous"?

When it started, the Corona alarmists were the conspiracy theorists. They were racists drumpftards, trying to enact another racist travel ban because of their racism, and everyone had to visit Chinatown or hug a Chinese person to prove they weren't racist. The 180 degree pivot was masterful. It wasn't that Trump was doing bad things, it was that he was not doing enough. And suddenly the alarmists became the majority party, the calmer people became skeptics, and that's the way it always was.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

And suddenly the alarmists became the majority party, the calmer people became skeptics, and that's the way it always was.

"Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia."

 

[ditto]

If Biden wins then the lockdowns will "magically" end since they've served their purpose (unless they grew too addicted to the rush of power which is more than possible), but then the country will be perma-fucked for a host of reasons.

The Dems are itching to federalize the whole response. They're probably worried that it'll be over by Biden's inauguration and want to drag it out. It would lead to an expansion in federal power unseen since FDR. Not wearing a mask would be a federal crime (since masks are shipped from interstate, lol)

I don't understand what the vaccine obsession is.

Because it politician's minds vaccine equals cure and nothing less than a total cure would give them political cover to lower restrictions.

 

[Sekirodiealot]

I wonder if there's a subreddit dedicated to this. Actually just found a subreddit called r/LockdownSkeptism

 

[behavioral swamp thang]

I wonder if there's a subreddit dedicated to this. Actually just found a subreddit called r/LockdownSkeptism

r/coronaviruscirclejerk is memes, but lbh reddit gonna yeet all the corona skeptic subs off the site once people start whispering about them in other subs. And their numbers are growing by the hundreds every day, so that's coming soon.

 

[Sekirodiealot]

r/coronaviruscirclejerk is memes, but lbh reddit gonna yeet all the corona skeptic subs off the site once people start whispering about them in other subs. And their numbers are growing by the hundreds every day, so that's coming soon.

Surprisingly, the sub isn't quarantined like the the_donald was before it got purged. As for the_donald, I'm more worried about it's site's domain getting fucked like 8chan

 

[ditto]

I wonder if there's a subreddit dedicated to this. Actually just found a subreddit called r/LockdownSkeptism

Assuming it's just redditors making fun of anyone remotely skeptical. Reddit being reddit and all.

 

[Sekirodiealot]

Assuming it's just redditors making fun of anyone remotely skeptical. Reddit being reddit and all.

Surprisingly no that doesn't happen there.

 

[Smug Chuckler]

When it started, the Corona alarmists were the conspiracy theorists. They were racists drumpftards, trying to enact another racist travel ban because of their racism, and everyone had to visit Chinatown or hug a Chinese person to prove they weren't racist. The 180 degree pivot was masterful. It wasn't that Trump was doing bad things, it was that he was not doing enough. And suddenly the alarmists became the majority party, the calmer people became skeptics, and that's the way it always was.

Yeah and just like the labcoat niggers flip flopping on the masks, their excuse is: "Well that's how science works, if it was wrong the first time surely 100% of the time it will be right the second time"

 

[bippu_as_fuck_ls400]

For health workers, the pandemic Tour de France is a big ask
https://apnews.com/5021ad9bd7bc5218b81d1fe65d0d8956 (https://archive.vn/WY6up)

Excerpt (full text at link):

It hasn’t escaped health workers that the bonus of 1,500 euros ($1,785) paid to some of them by the government for their heroism at the height of France’s epidemic, when people in lockdown across the country cheered them on from their windows every night, is small potatoes compared to prizes that Tour riders can pick up on the roads.

Boo hoo. When have healthcare workers ever been paid as much as professional athletes? They've let this hero thing go to their heads, isn't dealing with diseases and viruses part of the job description?