U.S. Riots of May 2020 over George Floyd and others - ITT: a bunch of faggots butthurt about worthless internet stickers

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Kyle becoming a major rallying point makes me feel very conflicted about the whole thing. I'm glad he did it no doubt, but generally I think it's a bad idea for tactical/political (not moral) reasons if it isn't your immediate neighborhood, your business, or same of a friend. That sort of goes out the window with him serving as a serious political victory.

I think I'm managing to change my mind into endorsing it wholesale now that I've seen evidence indicating that he works in Kenosha and was asked to help defend a business by the business owner there, but I still have reservations because almost nobody would have the combination of skill, "luck," innate talent to stay cool, and squeaky clean history he does. I certainly hope nobody takes it as license to play security guard when they haven't been asked to and don't belong.

On the one hand, scenario B as it is called is the best move on the grand scale. These riots are radioactive to Democrat polls. It could stain the Democratic party for years.

Then again, I'm really sick of these riots. If people defending their home turf makes AntiFa settle down, that would be great.

I didn't see this posted but we could all use a laugh.
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From here: https://twitter.com/SpiceEssential/status/1299016632405307392

May these be the harbinger of more humiliation for AntiFa.
 
Flip the whole minor narrative as well, what if he was killed would they have the same reservations over the death of this minor like they would Trayvon?

They would have said he deserved it for being a disgusting white nationalist supremacist nazi fascist dudebro incel heterosexual capitalist bootlicker christian. They would have FLOODED twitter with that sentiment, especially if he died after killing one of them but not the others, or even if Red Dead Pedo had killed him, because he dared to show up armed -- and only Antifa is allowed to do that.
 
Not yet, at least. When existing power structures are destroyed then Critical Theory is allowed to go critical (forgive me) and meltdown completely. At that point it has done its job and further allowing it would be counter-productive to you building your own new power structures.

It is a very dangerous game - unable to take power through conventional means (either democratically or direct military strength), the revolutionary force attempts to weaken and destroy the existing power structure from within. Like termites. They combine this with trying to position themselves to fill the vacuum in place of the old power-holders.

Positioning yourself to take power can be done either through massing your own insurgency forces or through politically being in place to take over the now decapitated power structure simply becoming the new king. (Pelosi method if Trump and Pence were removed from office). Either route usually results in huge collateral damage for the ordinary citizens. And in the "seize existing power structures" method also usually results in killing off the revolutionaries who put you there because you told them they were fighting to change things for themselves and they'll get angry when you appear not to do that. I'd use the Brownshirts in Nazi Germany as an example of that but @Evo would probably correct me on it somehow. ;)

No, the brownshirts were a useful bunch of ultimately degenerated fucks who the NSDAP saw fit to dispose of once the need for them was done - pragmatism and the use of people in measures where they're needed (i.e. extraordinarily drastic times) were fairly common in early nazi platforms, but they're not unique to us at all and are essentially common throughout any deployment of 'realpolitik' - the concept of people using revolutionaries (and then disposing of them) is age-old and something the United States itself has practiced in both domestic and foreign policy generations back; it's just a common political maxim to use useful demographics while they're useful, lol.

My leery eyes are always looking to spergfully correct details but you're accurate in your use of that reference.

First Im not right wing. Nor am I left. Second I believe in getting people on my side via apolitical means. I have a neighbor who needs back surgery back lacks the money. If I had the money Id help in exchange for help for other favors. Like support for running for town council. Most people dont get abstract ideas. They just don't.

Could yo I clarify the question bit further? I believe in forming small tribes (no more then the Dunbar limit allows) as a mutal aid group. Anything beyond that isnt my concern.

Funny thing if everyone did this then many world views causing many issues in america will cease having power due to the fragmentation result from going tribal.

I constantly want to debate you but I think we've done that enough by this point in time, your ability to formulate your views will come once you formulate an idea, and formulation of an idea comes with taking some sort of 'side', even if you want to parade yourself around as the grand anti-tech centrist or some autistic shit like that.
 
Why would they go with a site that over the top lol? Probably should just be a nice page saying "Kyle Legal Defense" for optics.
To make it perfectly clear that any attempt at fuckery would be a bad idea. The site's run by lawyers.
 
First Im not right wing. Nor am I left. Second I believe in getting people on my side via apolitical means. I have a neighbor who needs back surgery back lacks the money. If I had the money Id help in exchange for help for other favors. Like support for running for town council. Most people dont get abstract ideas. They just don't.

Could yo I clarify the question bit further? I believe in forming small tribes (no more then the Dunbar limit allows) as a mutal aid group. Anything beyond that isnt my concern.

Funny thing if everyone did this then many world views causing many issues in america will cease having power due to the fragmentation result from going tribal.
The concept sounds nice. In my short libertarian phase stuff like this had a ton of appeal to me; it still does. I agree that we should meet people where they are, which usually means no real abstract thinking aside from aspirational identity. I also try to live my life this way as much as is reasonable by involving myself in local clubs and some more palatable community class type activities. However, not engaging in politics strikes me as refusing to use a weapon that your enemy is using. When you don't fight for ground, the enemy takes it and keeps pushing. It strikes me as foolish to retort to "There's white supremacists killing people in Kenosha" with 'how does that affect you' because everything that comes from the political struggle going on will affect you be that tighter/loser gun control, defunded police, AsG biased against you, mayors/governors who refuse to enforce the law, affirmative action, media being unpleasant...
 
People keep telling me to stop bringing up their criminal records because they're irrelevant and no reason to kill them.

Kyle also had no right to carry a gun and play hero.

eh, its a riot. the government is being hypocritical with allowing riots to continue and then throwing the book at a kid protecting the city.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that the actual Chapo podcasters leaned more dirtbag left; while they supported the general communist revolution, they thought that the ridiculous grievance identity stuff and riots were seriously counterproductive. Has that changed, or is Reddit just being its normal cesspool self

My family actually brought that up today when I did my weekend base touching. I never bring it up because I'd rather just have a nice quick chat about our immediate lives without some fight, but they mentioned Kyle probably thinking it would be a nice own to my politics. I think they were so thunderstruck when I asked if they watched the full video available in many angles that proves he was actively fleeing and being attacked in each case in which he shot someone and that the attackers were all convicted felons including serious domestic abuse, rape, and pedophilia. They also had no idea that Blake, another convicted pedophile, was shot because he went for a knife while being arrested for domestic violence and sexual assault. They were just quiet after that and mumbled about making sure info from sources was verified which was easily shut down by saying unedited video doesn't lie and neither do court records.

Similarly, they had no idea Kyle lived 20mi away and was working there previously that day or was invited to help defend the business by stakeholders. Ultimately, they just ended up agreeing with me that what he did wasn't something to be emulated if it could be avoided because he might have thrown his life away and otherwise was both uncommonly skilled and very lucky. I almost wonder if the conditioning is starting to break for some of the upper-middle class social libs because in the beginning of this Black summer I would have been shouted down. Even managed to slip in that I'm glad the people he killed were dead which would normally have triggered them.

All of this is corresponding to a sea change on polling re: Presidential Election and how many Democrat politicians are starting to not outright endorse the riots / let police act a little more.

Still no luck with my people, although I have dared to finally put my foot down and explain some of this. They still think that Kyle is a White National terrorist who had no right to be there and should have just let the mob kill him. I did get to surprise someone with Blake being wanted for rape and domestic abuse, but she just stuck her fingers in her ears and said cops don't care about rape or domestic abuse, they never arrest anyone for it. So again, I pointed out, that they were trying to do just that, but he was resisting, and with shooting off the table, how far are they allowed to go to capture a rape suspect? If they go for their car, should cops just let them leave like it's no big deal. She just continued to say shooting was never okay, unless it was the tires of the car. It would be okay to shoot those.
 
Do you think the dropkicking jogger that Saint Kyle missed by a cunt hair knows how close he came to winning Darwin's grand prize, or do you think he went on his way eeking and ooking along in the usual obliviously animalistic and unreflective way as is the nature of his sort?
I'm going to not only guess yes but that's he's also criminal scum that has a warrant or two, which is why he isn't whoring himself out to the media to give his "side of the story". He'd probably be arrested within the hour.
 
Still no luck with my people, although I have dared to finally put my foot down and explain some of this. They still think that Kyle is a White National terrorist who had no right to be there and should have just let the mob kill him. I did get to surprise someone with Blake being wanted for rape and domestic abuse, but she just stuck her fingers in her ears and said cops don't care about rape or domestic abuse, they never arrest anyone for it. So again, I pointed out, that they were trying to do just that, but he was resisting, and with shooting off the table, how far are they allowed to go to capture a rape suspect? If they go for their car, should cops just let them leave like it's no big deal. She just continued to say shooting was never okay, unless it was the tires of the car. It would be okay to shoot those.
I think they probably would have let him get in the car or at least continued wrestling with him if he didn't try and go for a knife (also maybe because there were kids in the car or something or is that fake)
 
People keep telling me to stop bringing up their criminal records because they're irrelevant and no reason to kill them.

Being an actual child fucking pedophile is no reason to kill them?

They're not even using the "Well what if I'm a pedo and don't act on it, don't I deserve sympathy?" argument anymore? Just straight up #ChildRapistLivesMatter ?
 
I have a mutual friend who I play online games with that is still an enigma. He shares both super woke left memes but also more right leaning ones. Anytime someone comments in disagreement he basically goes "it's just a joke bro". I guess it's more of an attention thing, and I still have no idea how he truly thinks.

Also I have an idea of when things might be considered going "too far". At least with the normie majority. It may have already happened tbh, but things would get serious if a politician was seriously assaulted or even killed. Sure, we've had politicians deal with protesters screaming in their faces, or people going onto their properties. But have we actually had one get really hurt by rioters? Regardless of how you think about politicians, I don't think that will be taken lightly. But that's what crossed my mind recently, I doubt it's new and I can't say if it'd be effective or not. I don't know either.

Edit: I'm also not diminishing the importance of attacking normies in their neighborhoods. That's another major factor imo.
 
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Looks like a bunch of people face Federal charges for their actions in Portland. They won't have a district attorney who will let them go. Feds are a different breed.

More than 70 Face Federal Charges Amid Violence in Portland
Police Respond To Continued Protests In Portland
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Charles Fain Lehman - AUGUST 28, 2020 11:50 AM

Arson, damaging government property, and assaulting a federal officer are among the charges 74 people face for violence and mayhem committed in Portland, Ore., over the past three months, the Department of Justice announced Friday.

Federal authorities have arrested some 100 people in Portland since the end of May, as anti-police protests have regularly given way to what DOJ called "vandalism and destruction." Of those, 74 face federal felonies, misdemeanors, and citations. Hundreds more have been arrested by state and local law enforcement looking to reestablish order.
"Violent agitators have hijacked any semblance of First Amendment protected activity, engaging in violent criminal acts and destruction of public safety," U.S. attorney Billy J. Williams said. "The U.S. Attorney's Office and our federal law enforcement partners are expeditiously working with local and state law enforcement to identify, arrest, and prosecute these individuals that are disrupting the rule of law in our communities and physically attacking our law enforcement officers and destroying property. Violent agitators not only delay real reform, but make our community less safe by keeping law enforcement from responding to other critical calls for service."

More than half of those charged are alleged to have assaulted a federal officer—a crime that, DOJ noted, can lead to up to 20 years in prison if done with a dangerous weapon. A further four face arson charges, some tied to protests at the federal courthouse in Portland that protesters repeatedly assaulted over several nights earlier this month. Federal arson carries a maximum sentence of 20 years, with a mandatory minimum of five.

"While the FBI supports and safeguards constitutionally protected activity and civil rights, there is no permit for assault, arson or property damage and these are not victimless crimes," Renn Cannon, special agent in charge of the FBI in Oregon, said. "Among the victims of violent crime are business owners, residents and individuals exercising their First Amendment rights through protests or other legitimate forms of expression."

The ongoing unrest in Portland has made the city a flashpoint in the debate over the spike in looting and violent crime that was preceded by the onset of mass protests in at least some cities. President Donald Trump has called on the city to re-accept federal law enforcement after they initially withdrew from the city at the end of last month. Oregon governor Kate Brown (D.) on Tuesday said that "it's time for the violence and vandalism to end," specifically so "Portland can focus on the important work to be done to achieve real change for racial justice."





Was doing some thinking about all this while walking this morning.

First, BLM has done itself an incredible amount of damage. They held the moral high ground briefly, until the "protests" turned into riots and crime. BLM could have been the foremost proponent of non-violence, just like Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks. There's a reason these two people are in our history books.

Instead, BLM, joined by Antifa, has aided and abetted violence, arson, and looting. They continue to make outrageous demands they know will never be met. Their actions not only alienate mainstream Americans, but provide justification for any measures used against them. There's a reason so many consider Kyle Rittenhouse a hero.

BLM can no longer be taken seriously as an agent of change, which isn't good. All police departments, just like any other organization, can improve. Nonviolent engagement could have gotten some real things done. As things stand, there will be commissions, meetings, recommendations, a few token things will happen, then it's back to the previous state of affairs.

Complicit in this is the pussy-footing attitude of Democratic cities affected by violence. They have demonstrated to their people that they put the rioters' desire to raise havoc over the livelihoods and lives of the residents of the cities. This has backfired stupendously. People have had enough. Many will vote GOP in November. And for some reason you sure don't hear much "defund the police" these days. Even the enemies of America immediately called for the police after Kyle did his justice.

The "protests" and riots have set back race relations in our country greatly. Any "structural racism" will just be more covert, while still there. Still going to see employers discard resumes of people with unemployable names. Delete after seeing the name. Nothing the applicant can do about it.

One glimmer of hope in this whole mess - most people, white, black, Hispanic, Asian do get along. People of all colors work together and do business with each other. May not love each other, but the respect's there. And you see people of all colors risk their lives daily as police officers, firefighters, and in the military. BLM and Antifa don't add anything positive to America. If black lives matter, then why do BLM members keep showing everyone that they cannot act maturely enough to prove that black lives DO matter? The black people who show that black lives matter are those people who go to work every day, do the best they can, raise their families, and work in a nonviolent manner for change. That's easily respected. Same applies to every race. But BLM is a bunch of masochists. They keep disco dancing on it with golf shoes and believe anyone actually cares. They have lost the moral high ground, lost the narrative, and are on the wrong side of history.

One last bit of babble - the actions of BLM and Antifa are bacteria in the bloodstream of America. America has a tendency to take some antibiotics when there are too many bacteria. Kyle just administered the first dose. Can see more "treatments" coming up.
 
Being an actual child fucking pedophile is no reason to kill them?

They're not even using the "Well what if I'm a pedo and don't act on it, don't I deserve sympathy?" argument anymore? Just straight up #ChildRapistLivesMatter ?

I said that I would never approve of vigilante justice but I wasn't sad that they were dead, and I was called a monster.
 
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