Crime Deadly Shooting in Portland After Pro-Trump Ralliers Clash With Protesters - UPDATE: suspect Michael Forest Reinoehl is dead

Deadly Shooting in Portland After Pro-Trump Ralliers Clash With Protesters
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/30/us/portland-trump-rally-shooting.html (https://archive.vn/9J0ak)

A caravan of supporters of President Trump drove through downtown Portland, which has seen nightly protests against police violence and racial injustice. One person was shot and killed in the conflicts that erupted.

PORTLAND, Ore. — A man was shot and killed Saturday as a large group of supporters of President Trump traveled in a caravan through downtown Portland, Ore., which has seen nightly protests for three consecutive months.

The pro-Trump rally drew hundreds of trucks full of supporters into the city. At times, Trump supporters and counterprotesters clashed on the streets, with people shooting paintball guns from the beds of pickup trucks and protesters throwing objects back at them.

A video that purports to be of the shooting, taken from the far side of the street, showed a small group of people in the road outside what appears to be a parking garage. Gunfire erupts, and a man collapses in the street.

The man who was shot and killed was wearing a hat with the insignia of Patriot Prayer, a far-right group based in Portland that has clashed with protesters in the past.

The Portland Police Bureau said that officers heard reports of gunfire shortly before 9 p.m. and found a victim with a gunshot wound to the chest. It was determined that the victim had died. They did not release any information about a possible gunman.

At the scene, police officers blocked off the road and medics attended to a person who appeared to have a chest wound.

Portland has seen nightly demonstrations since the death of George Floyd in police custody in Minneapolis in May. In recent days, right-wing demonstrations have also sprung up in the city, and Mr. Trump has repeatedly highlighted the unrest in Portland as evidence of the need for a tougher law-and-order response to the chaotic protests over police violence and racial injustice that have swept through many American cities.

The Trump supporters gathered earlier Saturday in the suburbs and plotted a route for the several hundred vehicles involved in the event that would have kept them on the highways outside the city center. But some of the ralliers headed directly downtown, where counterprotesters confronted some of the vehicles. Some of the conflicts led to fistfights. In one encounter, someone drove over a bike, drawing police to the scene.

While protests in Portland have persisted, their numbers have changed over time. The nightly events began with mass demonstrations after Mr. Floyd’s death, then shrank to smaller numbers of people who repeatedly clashed with the police. In July, when the federal government sent camouflaged agents into the city, the protest numbers grew dramatically once again.

In more recent days, the protest crowd has typically numbered just a few hundred people. On Friday, after a peaceful demonstration in front of Mayor Ted Wheeler’s residence, a crowd went out to a police association building, where some of the protesters set fire to the front of the building before the police dispersed the crowd.

The police have made dozens of arrests in recent days as they have chased protesters through the streets, at times knocking them to the ground.

Mr. Trump has repeatedly focused on the unrest in Portland, including during the Republican National Convention last week, challenging the city’s leaders to end the chaos. Mr. Trump said in a tweet on Friday that the federal government would go into the city if the mayor were unable to maintain control.

Mr. Wheeler in a letter on Friday asked Mr. Trump to stay away, saying the earlier federal presence had made things worse. “Your offer to repeat that disaster is a cynical attempt to stoke fear and distract us from the real work of our city,” he wrote.


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UPDATE: It appears that he has been identified, and self-identities as antifa. He also has recent problems with the law.

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Video of the shooting:
(Enhanced, longer version)




Pic of suspect:
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Another view of the suspect shooter earlier in the night:


Some footage from earlier in the day:


Some 4chan threads:
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/275046853
https://archive.vn/Td2xD
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/275053194
https://archive.vn/RSEsA
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/275058331
https://archive.vn//Zbhxr
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/275063483 (deleted)
https://archive.vn/p8eyK (archive of 4pleb version)
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/275058154
 
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Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
If you hate wifebeaters so much, why are you such a cop bootlicker? 40% of cops are domestic abusers
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You understand that the US uses the Duluth Model as an intervention paradigm, which presupposes that men are automatically abusers, and women automatically victims, right? When you have a system that automatically treats men in a domestic violence call as the aggressor, regardless of the facts of the matter, of course you're going to have skewed stats showing a massive overabundance of men arrested, simply because women aren't allowed to be assumed aggressors.

Any stats you try to push about domestic violence that hinge solely on arrest rates in a country where men are automatically arrested in domestic calls, instead of the last nearly 50 years of empirical data collected on domestic violence will be discarded.

But you keep being a 🌽, bro. It's a look.
 
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TerribleIdeas™ said:
You understand that the US uses the Duluth Model as an intervention paradigm, which presupposes that men are automatically abusers, and women automatically victims, right? When you have a system that automatically treats men in a domestic violence call as the aggressor, regardless of the facts of the matter, of course you're going to have skewed stats showing a massive overabundance of men arrested, simply because women aren't allowed to be assumed aggressors.

Any stats you try to push about domestic violence that hinge solely on arrest rates in a country where men are automatically arrested in domestic calls, instead of the last nearly 50 years of empirical data collected on domestic violence will be discarded.

But you keep being a 🌽, bro. It's a look.
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Not to mention the two studies that were used to arrive at the 40% statistic are from 1991 and 1992, respectively.
 
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Plastic Inevitable said:
Not to mention the two studies that were used to arrive at the 40% statistic are from 1991 and 1992, respectively.
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Given the riots over a domestic abuser and the proportion of wifebeaters in the shooting 'victims' (do you really think bald manlet rage isn't the kind of guy who beats his wife/girlfriend?) it's never seemed more like projection than ever before.
 
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Whether Kenosha Kyle beat a girl, punched a 20 yo, or kicked a baby doesn't influence the separate event(s) wherein he was pursued and in several instances physically assaulted before he opened fire. Now that isn't to say that a claim of self defense is warranted (and it is almost undeniably the case in shooting 2 and 3) just that this squabbling over the girl is probably irrelevant. Unless the group of men in the girl incident include the shooting victims, is that the case?

Also, for those of us who aren't full-blown klansmen, it's not a bad idea to periodically do a kind of "hypocrisy check" as Hulk suggested. In some cases the victim's or shooter's priors are relevant--Blake's outstanding warrant is literally the reason why the cops were there, so it obviously is significant--but in others it's less so--Kenosha Kyle didn't KNOW he was shooting a pedo, just that a violent man was physically attacking him. Hulk probably has a point that in the post-analysis, this kind of info can be an easy way to laze-about on old stereotypes, but even that I don't think you can necessarily say is definitely racist. It's a real effing shame that sociology as a field is supersaturated with woke nonsense ensuring that interesting phenomena like this will NEVER be explored.
 
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I don’t usually negrate people because I generally view it as a means to be a passive-aggressive dick, but man, I really dished them out in this thread. I really try my best to respect everyone’s opinion (yes, even on this site), but some people here actually have dumb thoughts and logic.
 
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