DarksydePhil / TheyCallMeDSP / Phil Burnell - General Discussion

[ReentryPhantom]

Now that Hassan is gone and can’t protect the pig, I wonder if any abuse reports flagged against Phil’s channel would actually be looked at more seriously and not instantly tossed in the trash. They had to end up in someone’s inbox after the AI that sorts such submissions fired it off to the appropriate recipient and Phil loosely confirmed that Hassan protected him from any such submissions. I’m still amazed as to how he gets away with being so toxic, demeaning, and insulting towards some of his paypigs especially during this weird SJW climate where online anti-bullying sentiments are at an all-time high.

If the fake DMCA strikes saga taught us anything is that Twitch views Phil as a very small time streamer, not even worthy of being assigned an Account Manager or whatever the Twitch equivalent is. Because of his status as a dwindling YTer back in 2016 when he made the switch to FT streamer, he was welcomed rather warmly on the platform. But now that Twitch has exponentially grown, the data speaks for itself: Phil’s channel has been in decline year-over-year and obviously doesn’t merit managerial manpower. Growth opportunities are nonexistent in the DSPverse as Phil is unmarketable, unable to get sponsors, and unremarkable compared to other streamers his size. The only unique attribute to Phil relates to the ratio between the size of his declining viewer base and the amount of money he siphons through StreamLabs. A non-factor for Twitch since they don’t get a cut from such transactions anyways. Phil is simply a nobody on Twitch. And he knows it.

I mentioned it during the Twitch DMCA strikes but Phil’s Teflon-like bubble that he’s built around himself solely relies on technological platforms (YT, Twitch) he has very little power or leeway with. SuperCuck demonstrated that abusing report systems within these specific platforms is literally Phil’s Achilles heel. If someone really wanted to fuck with him, SuperCuck literally printed a blueprint for everyone to use.

But instead we get people throwing rather large amounts of shekels (comparatively) to “troll” the pig by making him put on a vest. The ‘Tism Vortex truly never fails to deliver.

What proof was there that he was even Phil's community manager? I thought whatever there was as far as proof goes wasn't very solid?

 

[Sparkletor 2.0]

What proof was there that he was even Phil's community manager? I thought whatever there was as far as proof goes wasn't very solid?

He was in the chat once or something. There is no proof. Some people believe Hassan was protecting Phil.

When directly asked in leaked emails and on Twitter, Hassan denied even knowing who Darksydephil was.

 

[Fapcop]

He was in the chat once or something. There is no proof. Some people believe Hassan was protecting Phil.

When directly asked in leaked emails and on Twitter, Hassan denied even knowing who Darksydephil was.

Let’s not be excessively autistic here guys.

Nobody “protected” Phil.

I’ve always found the idea that Hassan was some powerful pig-protector to be stupid as fuck. Why? What could Hassan possibly gain?

He probably mostly spoke the truth when he denied knowing who DSP is.

The only reason DSP even (supposedly!) had his contact information, was because Phil joined when Twitch was new and Phil was a lot bigger then, than he is now.

Phil might have been in touch with him once or twice when he started out on Twitch years ago, but continued making a big deal about “having a guy on Twitch behind the scenes” because Phil likes to pretend he’s a big shot.

That’s all there is to it. I very strongly doubt that Phil has/had a “protector” at Twitch, and on the small off chance he does, it certainly isn’t Hassan.

 

[Nigel of Ukip]

He was in the chat once or something. There is no proof. Some people believe Hassan was protecting Phil.

When directly asked in leaked emails and on Twitter, Hassan denied even knowing who Darksydephil was.

Quite some time ago some people contacted Hassan, and he said something like us detractors being crazy. I know he even posted one or two screens of some DMs with someone, I'll try and find it.
I have no idea when this was, but you can take my word for it. He did know who Phil was.

 

[Fapcop]

Quite some time ago some people contacted Hassan, and he said something like us detractors being crazy. I know he even posted one or two screens of some DMs with someone, I'll try and find it.
I have no idea when this was, but you can take my word for it. He did know who Phil was.

Yes, Phil is widely known as “the guy” who jerked off on stream. I’d expect Hassan to be superficially familiar with him bc of that and TIHYDP but not knowing him personally or in detail.

 

[Pargon]

Let’s not be excessively autistic here guys.

Nobody “protected” Phil.

I’ve always found the idea that Hassan was some powerful pig-protector to be stupid as fuck. Why? What could Hassan possibly gain?

He probably mostly spoke the truth when he denied knowing who DSP is.

The only reason DSP even (supposedly!) had his contact information, was because Phil joined when Twitch was new and Phil was a lot bigger then, than he is now.

Phil might have been in touch with him once or twice when he started out on Twitch years ago, but continued making a big deal about “having a guy on Twitch behind the scenes” because Phil likes to pretend he’s a big shot.

That’s all there is to it. I very strongly doubt that Phil has/had a “protector” at Twitch, and on the small off chance he does, it certainly isn’t Hassan.

Someone had to choose to ignore the dozens upon dozens of TOS violations he was reported for, sent both from the Twitch website and to the Twitch Twitter. Someone also needed to reverse his ban when he made fun of that dangerhair. We might not ever know who it actually was but to deny that a human being (or a collection of them) have been especially merciful to Phil is to deny evidence.

 

[Radical Goodspeed]

Let’s not be excessively autistic here guys.

Nobody “protected” Phil.

I’ve always found the idea that Hassan was some powerful pig-protector to be stupid as fuck. Why? What could Hassan possibly gain?

He probably mostly spoke the truth when he denied knowing who DSP is.

The only reason DSP even (supposedly!) had his contact information, was because Phil joined when Twitch was new and Phil was a lot bigger then, than he is now.

Phil might have been in touch with him once or twice when he started out on Twitch years ago, but continued making a big deal about “having a guy on Twitch behind the scenes” because Phil likes to pretend he’s a big shot.

That’s all there is to it. I very strongly doubt that Phil has/had a “protector” at Twitch, and on the small off chance he does, it certainly isn’t Hassan.

Phil wasn't dodging things that got other people banned because some algorithm had a blindspot regarding him. One might argue that its because he is too much of a nobody to warrant anyone's attention, but even small potatoes would have eaten a ban if they were reported as often Phil's believed to be. He can't bring in that much money for twitch relative to other streamers since he's been actively funneling his paypigs into paying him directly, so it can't be that he's so great an earner that they'll ignore his offenses.

But maintaining the buffer of a contact or manager as a liaison with the platform is one of the few instances Phil has made an effort, even if those efforts were self-destructive and futile. He wanted an MCN despite the fact that YT'ers at that point were getting released or actively sabotaging their relationships with MCNs because they had learned how to manage themselves. No, Phil wanted someone to clean up his messes and tell him what to do next to get views. Again, I think there's more than a few quotes of him being bitter that his managers in the past didn't just hand him sponsorships and collaborations on a plate, like a teacher assigning lab partners.

Machinima and Laveria or whatever is the incident that give some whiff of veracity to this. Yes, he wants to be a big shot, but he also wanted someone to boss around the sponsors and book-smart nudniks who don't understand his reactionary and cutting edge game play commentary streaming on-demand content. Phil doesn't want to do it himself, and he isn't capable of doing it himself without resorting to threats, tears, and potential autistic brigading. Its another weird instance of Phil wanting the structures of a real job (a boss/manager/supervisor) without actually having a job.

Moving out from that. Does Phil have a protector? We've supposedly had Kiwi's gatekeeping this faggot, and if not Phil, we've seen it with other high profile cows like Chris, and if us retards are doing it, there are probably others in other places as well.

 

[Sparkletor 2.0]

Quite some time ago some people contacted Hassan, and he said something like us detractors being crazy. I know he even posted one or two screens of some DMs with someone, I'll try and find it.
I have no idea when this was, but you can take my word for it. He did know who Phil was.

I remember this too. The weird thing was Hassan said to stop emailing him about Phil breaking ToS. He said something like it isn't his job to enforce the ToS or manage the content creators. Yet that is exactly what he and Twitch said his job was.

"Hey, I'm Hassan and I enforce the terms of service for Twitch and make sure the content creators adhere to the rules"

Oh hi, Hassan, Phil is breaking the rules.

"Not my problem. Not my job. Oh yeah, who is Phil. Never heard of him".

This doesn't prove anything but it's pretty strange.

 

[Wurstbrot]

Quick question!
Was it supposedly Wings or Reviewtech who tipped DSP a sum of money? I dunno where to look it up myself, could by anywhere.

 

[MoonRocker]

Quick question!
Was it supposedly Wings or Reviewtech who tipped DSP a sum of money? I dunno where to look it up myself, could by anywhere.

You’re thinking of Monday’s $53 tip which was donated under the name WingsOfRedemption. He wasn’t the real one who donated that money.

RTUStreams (Rich’s Twitch handle) intermittently donates bits to the pig in the hopes of getting him to come to his dying podcast.

They’re both fat fucking losers but at least one hasn’t donated money to Phil as far as we’re aware.

 

[DontEatSilicaGel]

His paymetons has dipped under $300 a month

 

[Gramh]

His paymetons has dipped under $300 a month

Considering he doesn't fulfill any of his Patreon goal obligations I'm surprised people haven't gotten him booted off the platform.

 

[Wurstbrot]

You’re thinking of Monday’s $53 tip which was donated under the name WingsOfRedemption. He wasn’t the real one who donated that money.

RTUStreams (Rich’s Twitch handle) intermittently donates bits to the pig in the hopes of getting him to come to his dying podcast.

They’re both fat fucking losers but at least one hasn’t donated money to Phil as far as we’re aware.

Yes, thank you. Someone mentioned Phil called him Richard, but this isn't Wing's name, this utterly confused me.

 

[Mr.PiggyOinkOinkOinkOink]

Considering he doesn't fulfill any of his Patreon goal obligations I'm surprised people haven't gotten him booted off the platform.

its crazy this shit hasnt been shut down. his patreon is 100% a fucking scam at this point

 

[gh0stzero]

I remember this too. The weird thing was Hassan said to stop emailing him about Phil breaking ToS. He said something like it isn't his job to enforce the ToS or manage the content creators. Yet that is exactly what he and Twitch said his job was.

"Hey, I'm Hassan and I enforce the terms of service for Twitch and make sure the content creators adhere to the rules"

Oh hi, Hassan, Phil is breaking the rules.

"Not my problem. Not my job. Oh yeah, who is Phil. Never heard of him".

This doesn't prove anything but it's pretty strange.

I thought they were all like this, I'm sure I remember a streamer saying that twitch staff will always feign ignorance when called out directly about a streamer, even friendly chatter like hey saw you were in my stream hope you liked it...it probably has something to do with their "investigation" process and not confirming or denying but its weird the twitch staff don't just say: "The filed reports will be investigated in due time that's all I can say on the matter."

 

[Basic Bill]

its crazy this shit hasnt been shut down. his patreon is 100% a fucking scam at this point

It’s absolutely a scam and he doesn’t even pretend like it isn’t (that would take effort). I remember an older video about his office where he talked about his new AC unit and he made a big deal about why he spent patreon money on it because it was needed for his business. Now he doesn’t even try to explain where the money is going.

 

[The Penultimate Warrior]

It’s absolutely a scam and he doesn’t even pretend like it isn’t (that would take effort). I remember an older video about his office where he talked about his new AC unit and he made a big deal about why he spent patreon money on it because it was needed for his business. Now he doesn’t even try to explain where the money is going.

Spoony's Patreon is still up and still promises the movie, they don't care as long as they get their cut

 

[tzgnilki]

Yes, thank you. Someone mentioned Phil called him Richard, but this isn't Wing's name, this utterly confused me.

calling wings "richard", is similar to ppl calling dsp "dave", it's a detractor meme

however, dsp doesn't think it's funny when ppl call him dave, and gets visibily upset while claiming he doesn't care, probably because a black man coined the term

 

[Iron Hamster]

Dave is the male version of Karen thanks to the dumpling.

 

[Surly Muppet]

We don't have concrete proof that Hassan was his partner manager, nor that Hassan was directly protecting him, but I think there are some decent breadcrumbs.

If I'm not mistaken, Hassan pulled a DownFromTheRafters/TheyCallMeDSP, and was asked about knowing Phil after he appeared in Phil's chat (which is why anyone thought to ask this nobody if he knew Phil). Hassan's response was that he didn't know who Phil was. Bruh. It was a trick question, we already knew half the answer when the question was asked, the ship on not knowing him at all had sailed, so the fact that it was the given response suggests that there is some need to cover that knowledge.

This doesn't prove anything but it's pretty strange.

Which was also reinforced by the ToS question because he also needed to obfuscate what exactly his job entailed even though it was public knowledge. In the Phil-verse, when you get flat denials of things that already can't be denied, that usually means you just asked the right question.

A few other things line up; rumblings of Hassan's removal started long before we got this confirmation, and Phil's attempt to reach out to his partner manager found that his partner manager was gone in the same window of time. People probably leave Twitch every day, but there was an alignment here. Twitch's reluctance to throw another one at Phil when I've heard some talk that they often still provide them to other partners could also be an indicator that it was Hassan, and they're not particularly keen on backing people that Hassan took a notable interest in.

There is also the fact that Phil's main means of contact with his 'partner manager' is via unofficial channels (discord) is a little weird. Maybe that's standard practice for that Twitch Partner Personal Touch, but with how militant Twitch can be, I would think that they would at least prefer that your communication is via methods that they can access if necessary. By the sounds of it, Hassan was keen to not use official channels for a variety of reasons...

In terms of defending Phil, forget the reports not sticking. There are two bigger pieces to keep in mind. When Phil was permabanned for his tax scam/fundraiser wording, the perma dropped faster than any I've heard of on Twitch. It silently rolled back to 72 hours and then he was back in 24. That's not automatic, Phil clearly had some party that talked it down at Twitch. Phil's recent mention of reaching out to his 'guy' for the DMCA bans suggests that it was the same person, probably because he got the last one reduced.

The other incident was the nuking of detractor Twitch channels, like TXT. A lot of the channels banned hadn't even mentioned Phil, and as far as online interactions go... some of them did little more in recent years than criticize him on Twitter. An argument could be made for Tevin's ban, but most had no cause. This suggests that Phil passed a list to an insider and had the channels nuked in the span of 24 hours. Even if they were harassing Phil... all of them at once? That still required a list of names. And even if Tevin's ban expired naturally, if Phil had anyone's ear, I think he would be gone again already.

However, I think Hassan's power is overblown. I don't think he personally banned the detractors or lowered Phil's ban. But I think he had pull. If I was the one who generally handled bans and a partner manager approached me with a list of small streamers that had been 'harassing' a partner, I'm probably going to be inclined to believe that he has already looked into this and there is reasonable cause. If it's reducing a ban, then I would listen to this guy explaining it was a miscommunication and he knows this streamer's history. Why would he do it? Because Phil attracts people like this for some reason - degenerates who will do stupid things because they like to be used by Phil. OiC might as well be Hassan - he's probably given Phil a year's worth of Hassan's salary at this point.

And finally, Phil isn't going to get banned... for a while. He'll have to fuck up in a way that Twitch does not want to mess with, like legal issues over the wording of contributions. Even legit viewer reports will continue to be lost because I really don't think they bother to review them. There probably are so many about Phil that are trolling or amount to nothing, and Phil deletes his VODs... it's not worth the effort. Detractors probably shot themselves in the foot on that avenue. But I think if he really fucks up again, we'll find that he has lost his armor.