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They used the Summit supercomputer to analyze COVID-19, and they‘ve put together a new hypothesis as to how COVID-19 does all this vascular and pulmonary damage in the first place:



Remember what I said a few weeks ago about the Kinin-Kallikrein system playing a role in the pathology of the virus? Well, here we go.

As bradykinin builds up in the body, it dramatically increases vascular permeability. In short, it makes your blood vessels leaky. This aligns with recent clinical data, which increasingly views Covid-19 primarily as a vascular disease, rather than a respiratory one. But Covid-19 still has a massive effect on the lungs. As blood vessels start to leak due to a bradykinin storm, the researchers say, the lungs can fill with fluid. Immune cells also leak out into the lungs, Jacobson’s team found, causing inflammation.

And Covid-19 has another especially insidious trick. Through another pathway, the team’s data shows, it increases production of hyaluronic acid (HLA) in the lungs. HLA is often used in soaps and lotions for its ability to absorb more than 1,000 times its weight in fluid. When it combines with fluid leaking into the lungs, the results are disastrous: It forms a hydrogel, which can fill the lungs in some patients. According to Jacobson, once this happens, “it’s like trying to breathe through Jell-O.”

This is the same thing I mentioned back in June, by the way, because there were already papers that pointed to that conclusion.



COVID-19 infects the lining of blood vessels, causes a shit-ton of clotting, and then, it makes the blood vessels leak into the alveoli in the lungs, causing pulmonary edema.

It gets even worse. This property makes the BBB more permeable, as well.

The bradykinin hypothesis also accounts for Covid-19’s neurological effects, which are some of the most surprising and concerning elements of the disease. These symptoms (which include dizziness, seizures, delirium, and stroke) are present in as many as half of hospitalized Covid-19 patients.According to Jacobson and his team, MRI studies in France revealed that many Covid-19 patients have evidence of leaky blood vessels in their brains.

Bradykinin — especially at high doses — can also lead to a breakdown of the blood-brain barrier. Under normal circumstances, this barrier acts as a filter between your brain and the rest of your circulatory system. It lets in the nutrients and small molecules that the brain needs to function, while keeping out toxins and pathogens and keeping the brain’s internal environment tightly regulated.

Death versus survival is not the right metric. COVID-19 can cause brain damage. It can basically make someone fucking retarded.



My stove burners were filthy. I had put off cleaning them for close to five weeks, but cleaning falls to the bottom of a to-do list when you live alone and have to convalesce in a pandemic. It was the first week of May, and my acute textbook Covid-19 symptoms — fever, chest pain, shortness of breath — had gone away weeks ago. Now I was standing in my kitchen, grateful to be putting my life back together again. Though there was one part of me that definitely hadn’t recovered yet.

I finished dinner and grabbed the scrubbing sponge to chip away at the layers of crud on the stove. I had just put the kettle on to boil moments before, but the way my mind was working it could have been years ago that I’d decided to make tea. When I consider just how close I was to moving the kettle over to put my hand in an open flame and pick up a searing-hot burner grate, my body still shakes. But at that point, a month after recovering from Covid-19, it was my reality. My brain was broken. This had been going on for close to two weeks.

There was the time I walked from my bedroom to the bathroom and, out of habit, washed my hands immediately (and quite thoroughly!) but then forgot to pee. Or the times a text from a friend would appear on my phone screen and I’d have no idea what she was talking about, even though I’d written to her just a few seconds before and she was responding to me. One Sunday morning, my boyfriend Matt was over. We were making breakfast, and I cracked the eggs into the carton rather than the bowl: the kind of mistake you call a “senior moment,” but only when you are actually a senior. “Are you okay?” he asked me. I laughed it off and said I didn’t know. Was I?


Findings
In this follow-up stage, neurological symptoms were presented in 55% COVID-19 patients. COVID-19 patients had statistically significantly higher bilateral gray matter volumes (GMV) in olfactory cortices, hippocampi, insulas, left Rolandic operculum, left Heschl's gyrus and right cingulate gyrus and a general decline of MD, AD, RD accompanied with an increase of FA in white matter, especially AD in the right CR, EC and SFF, and MD in SFF compared with non-COVID-19 volunteers (corrected p value <0.05). Global GMV, GMVs in left Rolandic operculum, right cingulate, bilateral hippocampi, left Heschl's gyrus, and Global MD of WM were found to correlate with memory loss (p value <0.05). GMVs in the right cingulate gyrus and left hippocampus were related to smell loss (p value <0.05). MD-GM score, global GMV, and GMV in right cingulate gyrus were correlated with LDH level (p value <0.05).
Interpretation
Study findings revealed possible disruption to micro-structural and functional brain integrity in the recovery stages of COVID-19, suggesting the long-term consequences of SARS-CoV-2.



Could the coronavirus lead to chronic illness?

While lung scarring, heart and kidney damage may result from COVID-19, doctors and researchers are starting to clock the potential long-term impact of the virus on the brain also.

Younger COVID-19 patients who were otherwise healthy are suffering blood clots and strokes.

And many “long-haulers,” or COVID-19 patients who have continued showing symptoms for months after the initial infection passed, report neurological problems such as confusion and difficulty concentrating (or brain fog), as well as headaches, extreme fatigue, mood changes, insomnia and loss of taste and/or smell.

Indeed, the CDC recently warned that it takes longer to recover from COVID-19 than the 10- to 14-day quarantine window that has been touted throughout the pandemic. In fact, one in five young adults under 34 was not back to their usual health up to three weeks after testing positive. And 35% of surveyed U.S. adults overall had not returned to their normal state of health when interviewed two to three weeks after testing.
Now a study of 60 COVID-19 patients published in Lancet this week finds that 55% of them were still displaying such neurological symptoms during follow-up visits three months later. And when doctors compared brain scans of these 60 COVID patients with those of a control group who had not been infected, they found that the brains of the COVID patients showed structural changes that correlated with memory loss and smell loss.

What’s worse? Dying from COVID-19, or surviving it, only to be trapped in your own brutalized husk of a body?

The good news is, we have more possible therapeutic interventions to keep an eye on because of this research. The bradykinin B2 receptor inhibitor Icatibant, also known under the brand name Firazyr, and the monoclonal antibody Lanadelumab, sold under the brand name Takhzyro, both of which are ordinarily used for hereditary angioedema. In theory, these could keep COVID-19 from making your blood vessels leak into your lungs and cause pulmonary edema if you got sick with it.



Currently, there are two approved drugs that target the kinin system: icatibant (a B2R blocker) and the monoclonal antibody lanadelumab, which inhibits plasma kallikrein (there are no drugs yet approved that inhibit tissue kallikrein). van de Veerdonk contends that targeting the kinin system early in the disease, soon after a patient is hospitalized, and is hypoxic, but hasn’t yet developed ARDS, might be helpful.
That is what his group found in a small exploratory study published this month. COVID-19 patients taking icatibant showed marked improvement in oxygenation as evidenced by a substantial decrease in need for supplemental oxygen, compared to control patients.
Allen Kaplan, a professor at the Medical University of South Carolina and an expert on bradykinin who was not connected with the study, tells The Scientist that this preliminary observation supports the idea that icatibant might be helpful “and should therefore be studied in a double-blind placebo-controlled fashion [in COVID patients].”
Another multicenter randomized clinical trial in the US is testing icatibant in critically ill COVID-19 patients in the ICU.
A clinical trial in Cleveland is testing lanadelumab in COVID-19 patients with pneumonia.
van de Veerdonk’s group is also testing the plasma kallikrein inhibitor (which is being supplied by Takeda, a company that also manufactures icatibant) in a multicenter clinical trial in the Netherlands in hospitalized COVID-19 patients receiving supplemental oxygen, to see whether the drug decreases the need for oxygen.
If all goes well for van de Veerdonk and his team, lanadelumab will be integrated into the REMAP-CAP trial that is evaluating several drugs for community-acquired pneumonia in thousands of patients across several countries and includes COVID-19 patients in one arm.
Kaplan has his reservations, and notes that using the monoclonal antibody against plasma kallikrein in COVID-19 could be interesting, but if it turns out that tissue kallikrein is more important in the disease, it won’t work.
Clarification (August 27): The seventh paragraph initially indicated that van de Veerdonk is currently using mass spectrometry to measure kallikreins in the plasma of COVID-19 patients and that it was impossible to do the same for bradykinin, which has a half-life in plasma of just a few seconds. This has now been changed to clarify that van de Veerdonk is currently setting up mass spectrometry to measure kinins in the plasma, which have a very short half-life.

The resources being poured into analyzing COVID-19 are tremendous. Someone could make an entire career out of this work, simply because of how complex the pathology of this virus is. There’s no way that scientists are going to let a grant cow like this get away un-milked. They’d be insane to.
 
They used the Summit supercomputer to analyze COVID-19, and they‘ve put together a new hypothesis as to how COVID-19 does all this vascular and pulmonary damage in the first place:



Remember what I said a few weeks ago about the Kinin-Kallikrein system playing a role in the pathology of the virus? Well, here we go.



This is the same thing I mentioned back in June, by the way, because there were already papers that pointed to that conclusion.



It gets even worse. This property makes the BBB more permeable, as well.



Death versus survival is not the right metric. COVID-19 can cause brain damage. It can basically make someone fucking retarded.












What’s worse? Dying from COVID-19, or surviving it, only to be trapped in your own brutalized husk of a body?

The good news is, we have more possible therapeutic interventions to keep an eye on because of this research. The bradykinin B2 receptor inhibitor Icatibant, also known under the brand name Firazyr, and the monoclonal antibody Lanadelumab, sold under the brand name Takhzyro, both of which are ordinarily used for hereditary angioedema. In theory, these could keep COVID-19 from making your blood vessels leak into your lungs and cause pulmonary edema if you got sick with it.





The resources being poured into analyzing COVID-19 are tremendous. Someone could make an entire career out of this work, simply because of how complex the pathology of this virus is. There’s no way that scientists are going to let a grant cow like this get away un-milked. They’d be insane to.
This is the same thing that happens when 85 year olds almost die from pneumonia. And yeah, in extremely rare cases healthy seeming people can have severe complications. Sometimes a healthy 20 year old dies from the flu as well.

The extremely vast majority of people aren't looking at "survival vs death" from covid, they're looking at "completely symptomless or some mild symptoms"

The "at risk" people are the same ones "at risk" during the flu season.
Coronaviruses are common and this one is not very different. Most people have partial immunity already.

Also, "a supercomputer said it" is usually an indication that what you're reading is bullshit.
 
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Just gonna' throw that single mom running her local hair salon business right under the bus, huh? Real fuckin' classy, Nancy.
 
This is the same thing that happens when 85 year olds almost die from pneumonia. And yeah, in extremely rare cases healthy seeming people can have severe complications. Sometimes a healthy 20 year old dies from the flu as well.

The extremely vast majority of people aren't looking at "survival vs death" from covid, they're looking at "completely symptomless or some mild symptoms"

The "at risk" people are the same ones "at risk" during the flu season.
Coronaviruses are common and this one is not very different. Most people have partial immunity already.

Also, "a supercomputer said it" is usually an indication that what you're reading is bullshit.

It was not done entirely in silico. It was a computer analysis of actual samples taken from patients.


On a Sunday afternoon in mid-April this year, Daniel Jacobson, a computational systems biologist at Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee, was looking at gene expression data from the lung fluid of COVID-19 patients on his computer screen when he spotted something striking—the expression of genes for key enzymes in the renin-angiotensin system (RAS), involved in blood pressure regulation and fluid balance, was askew.

Jacobson followed this abnormal RAS in the lung fluid samples to the kinin cascade, an inflammatory pathway that is tightly regulated by the RAS. He found that the kinin system—in which a key peptide, bradykinin, causes blood vessels to leak and fluid to accumulate in tissues and organs—was thrown out of balance as well in COVID-19 patients. Infected individuals showed heightened expression of genes for the bradykinin receptors, as well as for enzymes called kallikreins that activate the kinin pathway, compared with controls.

The results, published July 7 in eLife, could perhaps explain the abnormal accumulation of fluid in the lungs that is so common in COVID-19 patients, the authors say.

They plugged the data into a supercomputer and found an imbalance in bradykinin. Note that this correlates exactly with papers that were published months ago.


Vascular leakage and pulmonary oedema in patients with severe COVID-19 are caused by multiple mechanisms (Fig. 1). First, the virus can directly affect ECs as SARS-CoV-2-infected ECs were detected in several organs of deceased patients3. These ECs exhibited widespread endotheliitis characterized by EC dysfunction, lysis and death. Second, to enter cells, SARS-CoV-2 binds to the ACE2 receptor, which impairs the activity of ACE2 (an enzyme counteracting angiotensin vasopressors)6. Which vascular cell types express the ACE2 receptor remains to be studied in more detail. Reduced ACE2 activity indirectly activates the kallikrein–bradykinin pathway, increasing vascular permeability2. Third, activated neutrophils, recruited to pulmonary ECs, produce histotoxic mediators including reactive oxygen species (ROS). Fourth, immune cells, inflammatory cytokines and vasoactive molecules lead to enhanced EC contractility and the loosening of inter-endothelial junctions. In turn, this pulls ECs apart, leading to inter-endothelial gaps2. Finally, the cytokines IL-1β and TNF activate glucuronidases that degrade the glycocalyx but also upregulate hyaluronic acid synthase 2, leading to increased deposition of hyaluronic acid in the extracellular matrix and promoting fluid retention. Together, these mechanisms lead to increased vascular permeability and vascular leakage.


COVID-19 patients can present with pulmonary edema early in disease. We propose that this is due to a local vascular problem because of activation of bradykinin 1 receptor (B1R) and B2R on endothelial cells in the lungs. SARS-CoV-2 enters the cell via ACE2 that next to its role in RAAS is needed to inactivate des-Arg9 bradykinin, the potent ligand of the B1R. Without ACE2 acting as a guardian to inactivate the ligands of B1R, the lung environment is prone for local vascular leakage leading to angioedema. Here, we hypothesize that a kinin-dependent local lung angioedema via B1R and eventually B2R is an important feature of COVID-19. We propose that blocking the B2R and inhibiting plasma kallikrein activity might have an ameliorating effect on early disease caused by COVID-19 and might prevent acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS). In addition, this pathway might indirectly be responsive to anti-inflammatory agents.

You know when diabetics get edema and their legs swell up? Well, COVID-19 causes the same thing, only it’s the blood vessels leaking into the alveoli of the lungs and filling them with gelatinous goop.

Note that this also means that concerns about sartans like Losartan or Telmisartan up-regulating ACE2 are unfounded; more ACE2 may mean more places on cell surfaces for the virus to latch onto, but it also means more ACE2 to reduce Ang II to Ang 1-7, and also more ACE2 to inactivate des-Arg9-bradykinin and prevent the vascular leakage. In other words, up-regulation of ACE2 may actually be beneficial, in a sort of paradoxical way.

That doesn’t mean someone should just start taking Losartan if they’re sick with COVID-19, unless they have pre-existing hypertension, of course. Their blood pressure could crash through the floor. Also, a fair number of people with severe COVID-19 end up getting sepsis, and their blood pressure is usually really, really low when that happens, and you definitely wouldn’t want to give them any sartans at that point.
 
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Just gonna' throw that single mom running her local hair salon business right under the bus, huh? Real fuckin' classy, Nancy.

Every time I see Nancy Pelosi’s twisted and gnarled mutant mug on the television, I feel the bile begin to rise in the back of my throat. There are innocent children dying of cancer as we speak, while that ugly, tactless, elitist bitch has lived to the ripe old age of eighty. That, if anything, is proof that there’s no justice in this world.


“Oh, I was fraaaaamed! Framed by my hair salon!”

Fuck that hypocritical hag.
 
Note to mods: I don't want this to be shoved into the Wuhan Coronavirus Megathread, as I consider this rather important information that would very likely get lost in that dumpster fire of a thread.


The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has notified public health officials in all 50 states and five large cities to prepare to distribute a coronavirus vaccine to health care workers and other high-risk groups as soon as late October or early November.

The new C.D.C. guidance is the latest sign of an accelerating race for a vaccine to greatly ease a pandemic that has killed more than 184,000 Americans. The documents were sent out on the same day that President Trump told the nation in his speech to the Republican National Convention that a vaccine might arrive before the end of the year.

Over the past week, both Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the country’s top infectious disease expert, and Dr. Stephen Hahn, who heads the Food and Drug Administration, have said in interviews with news organizations that a vaccine could be available for certain groups before clinical trials have been completed, if the data is overwhelmingly positive.

Public health experts agree that agencies at all levels of government should urgently prepare for what will eventually be a vast, complex effort to vaccinate hundreds of millions of Americans. But the possibility of a rollout in late October or early November has also heightened concerns that the Trump administration is seeking to rush the distribution of a vaccine — or simply to hype that one is possible — before Election Day on Nov. 3.

The C.D.C. plans lay out technical specifications for two candidates described as “Vaccine A” and “Vaccine B,” including requirements for shipping, mixing, storage and administration. The details seem to match the products developed by Pfizer and Moderna, which are the furthest along in late-stage clinical trials. On Aug. 20, Pfizer said it was “on track” for seeking government review “as early as October 2020.”

“This timeline of the initial deployment at the end of October is deeply worrisome for the politicization of public health and the potential safety ramifications,” said Saskia Popescu, an infection prevention epidemiologist based in Arizona. “It’s hard not to see this as a push for a pre-election vaccine.”


From left, Dr. Robert Redfield, Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. Stephen Hahn of the coronavirus task force, speaking to Congress in June.Credit...Pool photo by Kevin Dietsch
Three documents were sent to public health officials in all states and territories as well as New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, Houston and San Antonio on Aug. 27. They outlined detailed scenarios for distributing two unidentified vaccine candidates, each requiring two doses a few weeks apart, at hospitals, mobile clinics and other facilities offering easy access to the first targeted recipients.

The guidance noted that health care professionals, including long-term care employees, would be among the first to receive the product, along with other essential workers and national security employees. People 65 or older, as well as those from “racial and ethnic minority populations,” Native Americans and incarcerated individuals — all communities known to be at greater risk of contracting the virus and experiencing severe disease — were also prioritized in the documents.

That’s a positive development, “so it doesn’t just all wind up in high-income, affluent suburbs,” said Dr. Cedric Dark, an emergency medicine physician at Baylor College of Medicine in Texas.

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The C.D.C. noted in its guidance that “limited Covid -19 vaccine doses may be available by early November 2020.” The documents were dispatched the same day that Dr. Robert Redfield, director of the C.D.C., sent a letter to governors asking them to ready vaccine distribution sites by Nov. 1, as McClatchy reported.

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The agency also said its plans were as yet hypothetical, noting, “The Covid-19 vaccine landscape is evolving and uncertain, and these scenarios may evolve as more information is available.” A C.D.C. spokeswoman confirmed that the documents were sent but declined to comment further.
Many of the details listed for the two vaccines — including required storage temperature, the number of days needed between doses, and the type of medical center that can accommodate the product’s storage — match what Pfizer and Moderna have said about their products, which are based on so-called mRNA technology. Neither company responded to requests for comment.

The scenarios, which assume that the two vaccines could demonstrate sufficient safety and effectiveness for an emergency authorization from the F.D.A. by the end of October, note that Vaccine A, which seems to match Pfizer’s, would have about two million doses ready within this time frame, and that Vaccine B, whose description matches Moderna’s, would have about one million doses ready, with tens of millions of doses of each vaccine ready by the end of the year. Although it’s possible that some promising preliminary data could emerge by the end of October, experts are skeptical.

“The timeline that’s reported seems a bit ambitious to me,” Dr. Dark said. “October’s like 30 days away.”
Trials that test a vaccine’s effectiveness can take years to yield reliable results. It’s possible to draw conclusions sooner “if there is an overwhelming effect” in which vaccinated people appear to be far better protected from disease, said Padmini Pillai, a vaccine researcher and immunologist at M.I.T. But data gathered early in a trial might not hold true months down the line. And researchers need time to test large numbers of people from a variety of backgrounds to determine how well the vaccine works in different populations — including the vulnerable communities identified in the guidelines.

Should any of these snags occur, Dr. Pillai said, “all of this together could diminish public trust in the vaccine.”

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James S. Blumenstock, senior vice president of pandemic response and recovery at the Association of State and Territorial Health Officials, confirmed that the trio of C.D.C. documents were sent to all state and territorial health departments last week. “It is now the time to enhance organizational structure and involve all partners in this planning process going forward,” he said.

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  • Why is it safer to spend time together outside?
    • Outdoor gatherings lower risk because wind disperses viral droplets, and sunlight can kill some of the virus. Open spaces prevent the virus from building up in concentrated amounts and being inhaled, which can happen when infected people exhale in a confined space for long stretches of time, said Dr. Julian W. Tang, a virologist at the University of Leicester.
  • What are the symptoms of coronavirus?
    • In the beginning, the coronavirus seemed like it was primarily a respiratory illness — many patients had fever and chills, were weak and tired, and coughed a lot, though some people don’t show many symptoms at all. Those who seemed sickest had pneumonia or acute respiratory distress syndrome and received supplemental oxygen. By now, doctors have identified many more symptoms and syndromes. In April, the C.D.C. added to the list of early signs sore throat, fever, chills and muscle aches. Gastrointestinal upset, such as diarrhea and nausea, has also been observed. Another telltale sign of infection may be a sudden, profound diminution of one’s sense of smell and taste. Teenagers and young adults in some cases have developed painful red and purple lesions on their fingers and toes — nicknamed “Covid toe” — but few other serious symptoms.
  • Why does standing six feet away from others help?
    • The coronavirus spreads primarily through droplets from your mouth and nose, especially when you cough or sneeze. The C.D.C., one of the organizations using that measure, bases its recommendation of six feet on the idea that most large droplets that people expel when they cough or sneeze will fall to the ground within six feet. But six feet has never been a magic number that guarantees complete protection. Sneezes, for instance, can launch droplets a lot farther than six feet, according to a recent study. It's a rule of thumb: You should be safest standing six feet apart outside, especially when it's windy. But keep a mask on at all times, even when you think you’re far enough apart.
  • I have antibodies. Am I now immune?
    • As of right now, that seems likely, for at least several months. There have been frightening accounts of people suffering what seems to be a second bout of Covid-19. But experts say these patients may have a drawn-out course of infection, with the virus taking a slow toll weeks to months after initial exposure. People infected with the coronavirus typically produce immune molecules called antibodies, which are protective proteins made in response to an infection. These antibodies may last in the body only two to three months, which may seem worrisome, but that’s perfectly normal after an acute infection subsides, said Dr. Michael Mina, an immunologist at Harvard University. It may be possible to get the coronavirus again, but it’s highly unlikely that it would be possible in a short window of time from initial infection or make people sicker the second time.
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Lisa Stromme, a spokeswoman for the Washington State Department of Health, said that her state’s health officials were still at “a very early stage in a planning process,” but were already working toward developing infrastructure “that would accommodate” the assumptions laid out by the C.D.C.
The C.D.C. documents said that public health administrators should review lessons learned from the 2009 H1N1 pandemic vaccination campaign, which did not have enough doses at the beginning to meet demand.

“It’s good to have a plan out for hospitals and health care systems to prepare” for a potential rollout, said Dr. Taison Bell, a pulmonary and critical care physician at the University of Virginia. But Dr. Bell added that he is concerned that the timeline outlined in the documents “is incredibly ambitious and makes me worry that the administration will prioritize this arbitrary deadline rather than maintaining diligence with following the science.”

The technical comparison of Vaccine A and Vaccine B has some echoes of what was discussed at an Aug. 26 meeting of the C.D.C.’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices. At the meeting, Dr. Kathleen Dooling, a C.D.C. medical officer, laid out three scenarios: Vaccine A, or the Pfizer vaccine, is approved, Vaccine B, the Moderna vaccine, is approved, or both. The requirement that Pfizer’s vaccine be stored at minus 70 degrees Celsius would mean that it couldn’t be administered at most small sites, she noted. The C.D.C. documents note that orders of Vaccine A would go “to large administration sites only.” The Moderna vaccine requires storage at minus 20 degrees Celsius.
The C.D.C. documents said the vaccine would be free to patients, but that providers might not be reimbursed for administrative costs if the vaccine was given an emergency authorization, rather than a standard approval.

Experts worry that the process is unlikely to go off without a hitch, given the last-minute scramble and the mixed messaging so far. “I think distribution is going to be very tricky for the vaccine, particularly if there is a cold storage requirement,” Dr. Bell said.

There are also likely to be challenges administering both doses of the proposed vaccines, which must be given weeks apart, Dr. Dark said. “How are you going to make sure people get both?”
 
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Just gonna' throw that single mom running her local hair salon business right under the bus, huh? Real fuckin' classy, Nancy.
You'd think CNN inciting a cancel mob on a kid for a meme, failing, then succeeding in threatening them directly, and then being successfully sued by them means all media outlets would at least try to stop slandering individuals through either incompetent fact gathering, or malicious fact-twisting.

But apparently the moral they took from that story is to just double down and keep blaming random people for quite literally everything at a faster rate, because they think indirectly spouting false narratives means they're not responsible for said narrative being spread.

Also it can't be said enough how retarded a politician not knowing the very laws she probably had a hand in approving sounds.
 
All caught up again, this thread is so much easier to follow than the one on riots. Now for a small update from my little Slav corner of the world.

You probably know that cases are on the rise in a lot of places, especially in Europe where France or Spain get up to several thousand new cases a day. Poland is experiencing an uptick too, but it's interesting to compare current stats with the spring peak. Back then we were getting 200-350 cases a day with up to 40 deaths, now it's 500-900 cases and consistently below 20 deaths, sometimes less than 10. I suppose we're much better at catching new infections now. Or maybe deaths are lagging behind. But the overall number of people on ventilation isn't changing all that much, so I don't think so.

There are still some restrictions in place, but businesses are largely functional, which is the important thing. Schools are open again too. Some stricter measures are being applied and revoked in small administrative areas as hotspots (predominantly associated with weddings) appear and are contained. I don't believe there will be another general lockdown, not even if winter turns out to be really rough.

I've seen GDP data for the EU and it's of course crashing across the board, but with -8%, my country is among the least affected. The economy seems to be rebounding rather nicely and things should be OK in the long term. Debt is very high though after all the spending to keep businesses afloat.

Attitudes towards masks are generally rather relaxed. Of course there are people obsessed with them, but I've also heard my pharmacist and a customer (mask off) loudly complaining about the hysteria. We wear masks indoors when we can't get away with not wearing them. Absolutely nobody wears them outside. Nobody bothers with gloves either (except myself because I'm paranoid). The two meter distancing rule is fictional in most places.

Beaches were massively overcrowded in the summer as people relished the opportunity to relieve some stress.

On a sadder note, my father has had cancer surgery today. Now, the surgery went well and the tumor hadn't spread very much yet, so everything should be just fine, but we're not allowed to visit him. There are soldiers stationed at the entrance who measure your temperature and won't let you inside without a very good reason. It makes sense, the place is already crowded as hell and people would drop like flies if corona were to make the rounds in there, but it hurts that I can't see him.

And on another note, looks like Pelosi is either too petty or too stupid to be in a position of power. Hope she's ousted come November.
 
Early November, eh? Hmmm, there was something I meant to do in early November, some special day or something, but it seems to have slipped my mind. I wonder what it was?
The people most likely do go out of their way to get some accelerated vaccine are (probably) the people least likely to actually go out and vote.

Not that that necessarily has anything to do with your mysterious November "special day", obviously. :)
 
I am not an anti-vaxxer by any stretch, but why would I allow my family to get an unproven, rushed vaccine that uses a mechanism never tried before? No doubt they will make it mandatory for school attendance so I will have to homeschool for another year or two.

And the government seems to think we will be rushing out in a fight to be among the first. Pfft.

Don't get me wrong, FDA fast track programs save lives. It saved my own. But fast tracking a drug to a population that is going to die without it is much different than a drug that you give to an entire healthy population. I will wait at least 2 years.
 
Theres no reason for me to even consider taking such a vaccine. It wouldn't be tested as thoroughly as typical vaccines, and Im not personally at risk in any real capacity. I could see this potentially making sense for someone with preexisting conditions that make them very susceptible to corona and at risk of death to it, but as some without these issues its nothing but an unnecessary risk
 
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