War Trump won't stop interfering in the election - This mail-in ballots thing really is going to be the hill these people die on

Now I want to see Trump go to war against mail-in ballots and whatever bullshit Democrats will be pulling this election, just to see CNN get seething mad.


Washington (CNN) President Donald Trump is the election meddler-in-chief.

In his latest assault on the integrity of November's vote, Trump denigrated mail-in voting and in a staggering moment, appeared to suggest North Carolinians should try to vote twice -- a potential crime -- to test its security.

More evidence of meddling came earlier Wednesday with the news that Trump's Department of Homeland Security withheld an intelligence bulletin warning of a Russian plot to spread misinformation about Joe Biden's health, which mirrored the President's own attacks. The report, first revealed by ABC News, followed the Director of National Intelligence's decision to stop in-person lawmaker briefings about election interference -- a move Democrats say could shield foreign actors who want to help Trump.

If the story of the 2016 election was a broad meddling operation by a foreign power to favor Trump, the emerging story of the 2020 election increasingly appears to be an attempt by the President to use executive power to swing the election his way. There has never been a modern American election in which a President has so publicly and unashamedly tried to portray the sacred quadrennial exercise in democracy as corrupt.

Trump's attempt to discredit mail-in voting got a strong assist from Attorney General William Barr, who declared that changing to such a system would be "reckless and dangerous," in an interview with CNN on Wednesday.

"This is playing with fire. We're a very closely divided country here," Barr told CNN's Wolf Blitzer on "The Situation Room." Asked for evidence to defend his claim that foreign adversaries could dump large numbers of fraudulent mail-in ballots into the system, Barr told Blitzer: "Logic." US intelligence officials have said there is no evidence to suggest that the election could be threatened in such a manner. Barr also claimed that China, not Russia, was the most active foreign foe in interfering in the election. Last month, intelligence officials said that while Beijing wanted Trump to lose, Russia was making a far more aggressive attempt to hurt Biden.

Barr's comments will stir fresh concerns that he is acting as a political functionary for Trump rather than in the traditionally more neutral role expected of an attorney general. Such suspicions were provoked by the way he intervened to ease the political sting of the Mueller report and the probes he has set up apparently to discredit previous investigations into 2016 election interference.

An election that is already tainted


The President's effort to discredit the election is not limited to his false and frequent claims that mail-in voting -- a reassuring option for many voters amid a pandemic that has killed more than 185,000 Americans so far -- is stained by massive fraud. The President has warned that the election will be the most corrupt in US history and said, without evidence, that Americans may never know who won. He also threatened to send US attorneys and sheriffs to polling places to ensure there is no fraud, a tactic that would be construed as voter intimidation, especially among minority voters given grim historic echoes.

Trump has no reservations about using the authority of the presidency to mess with democracy. After all, he was impeached for an audacious attempt to coerce a foreign power -- Ukraine -- into intervening in the election to hurt Biden's campaign. And he has consistently rejected his own intelligence agencies' assessments that Russia meddled in the 2016 election to help him -- once, infamously at the side of President Vladimir Putin.

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Trump's latest attempt to cast doubt on the election comes as several new polls show he still trails Biden nationally, despite predictions by his campaign that convention season would dramatically narrow the gap. A new CNN/SSRS poll has Biden's lead steady at 8 points, 51% to 43% among registered voters. A Quinnipiac University survey has Trump down 10 points.

Whether the President is seeking to construct a face-saving exit from power if he loses in November or is mounting a more overt effort to stack the deck, one thing is clear: Given his fervent support among tens of millions of Americans, the election -- the bedrock of the country's democratic government and rule by the people for the people -- has already been deeply tarnished.

Trump's warning could spark chaos at polling places

Each time the President speaks about mail-in voting, which he distinguishes from absentee voting but is functionally the same, he introduces more doubt about the integrity of a system used without problems in many states.

He seemed to suggest in an interview with a local station in Wilmington, North Carolina, on Wednesday that people should vote once by mail, then show up at their polling place to see if their preference had been registered.

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"Well, they'll go out and they'll go vote, and they're going to have to go and check their vote by going to the poll and voting that way, because if it tabulates then they won't be able to do that," Trump said.

"So let them send it in, and let them go vote, and if the system is as good as they say it is, then obviously they won't be able to vote. If it isn't tabulated they won't be able to vote, so that's the way it is. And that's what they should do."

Trump's advice could lead to considerable chaos and recriminations at polling stations if it is followed by thousands of Republican voters. It could also lengthen the time that it takes for votes to be counted. Trump is already raising likely delays in tabulating results to claim, falsely, that the election is not secure.

There is also no current evidence to support his implication that significant numbers of mail-in votes could go astray or not be counted in the Tar Heel state. The North Carolina State Board of Elections says in voter advice on its website that there are "numerous safeguards" included in the absentee-by-mail voting process. It also says that if someone has "voted by absentee ballot and then shows up to vote in person, the check in system will alert the poll worker that the person has already voted."

Patrick Gannon, the board's public information officer, said people do not need to go to the polls on Election Day if their ballot has been counted.

"In fact, we'd strongly advise against that, to allow other people who haven't yet cast a ballot to vote."

Attorney General William Barr: 'I don't think there are two justice systems'

The state's Democratic Attorney General Josh Stein said he would do everything in his power to ensure the will of the people is upheld.

"President Trump outrageously encouraged NCians to break the law in order to help him sow chaos in our election. Make sure you vote, but do NOT vote twice!" Stein tweeted.

Voting arrangements, which vary from state to state, are often complicated and can confuse some voters. So at a minimum, it is irresponsible for a President, with all of his visibility and power, to repeatedly cast doubt on the system.

And more fundamentally, voting twice is illegal.

Barr appeared to support the President's inflammatory suggestion that North Carolinians should try to vote twice to test the system.

"So let them send it in by mail and let them go vote, let them send in the ballot, and then let them go vote. And if the system is as good as they say it is, then obviously they won't be able to vote," Barr said on "The Situation Room."

Long-term effects of a tainted election

Trump's constant claims that the election will not be free and fair threaten to leave deep damage whoever wins in November.

If he loses but claims he was cheated, Trump will delegitimize the result among millions of voters who backed him but who might accept a loss if he graciously conceded, as is expected of every defeated presidential candidate who puts nation above self. An election seen as stolen by Trump could have unpredictable effects among those who believe they were disenfranchised.

The appearance of a tainted election would also shatter hopes that a Biden administration might harbor of uniting a divided nation and of summoning national resolve to finally prevail over a pandemic that Trump mismanaged.

It would also sow distrust of elections on the right, potentially for decades, further fueling conspiratorial fringe groups like QAnon.

And it would all seem so unnecessary given the facts.

CNN's Dianne Gallagher and Ethan Cohen contributed to this report.
 
The ballots would be in the hands of the election officials in large population centers (Dems, even in red states), and the postal workers (who have a public-sector union), who could do just enough to tip the scales in their favor.

How? Where are the ballots going to come from? Who’s going to fill them out? How are you going to get the hundreds to thousands of people needed to pull it off to not only participate but also not talk about it?
 
All this bullshit is just so they can screech voter fraud come November. It's all about planting the seed to the next big conspiracy. Get ready to see the hashtag NotMyPresident again or something new like #TheCountIsWRONG or something equally dumb.

Voter fraud has been happening in elections for decades. Every 4 years somehow dead people seem to vote for both parties. It's just NOW a huge deal.
 
How? Where are the ballots going to come from? Who’s going to fill them out? How are you going to get the hundreds to thousands of people needed to pull it off to not only participate but also not talk about it?
It doesn't need hundreds of thousands of people; at most, it only needs maybe a few dozen people in critical swing states or districts to conveniently "lose" ballots or "accidentally" drop a few hundred of them in the shredder, all of which just so happened to be marked for Republicans.
 
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It's probably a good idea to archive that part of the interview on here, now that I think about it. It was seventeen-hundred ballots, by the way, not seventeen thousand. Still bad, but not county-destroying bad.

I left the IIRC on there in hopes of being corrected honestly. I was pretty confident in the number but wanted it to be wrong, you know what I mean? Even 1700 is still more people than my hometown, but it's an improvement.

But yeah, this is a great clip imo. This guy is a good speaker, he gives off a kind of "bad guy with good motivations" vibe that Trump has led me to respect.
 
They use the term "interfer" to implicitly tie Trump to the concept of "Russian interference" despite having no evidence of the latter beyond a few thousand dollars worth of broken English "targeted" Facebook ads... a method which, if it worked, the Clinton campaign could easily have harnessed themselves and with a lot more money behind it.

Remember right after the election it was "Russia hacked the election?" Then it was "Russian Wikileaks." Then it was "Russia collision." And none of that stuck so they had to go with "Russian interference," a bar so low you could easily make the case that any given country is "interfering" in any election anywhere.

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I did say multiple times in Corona threads that this ALL happening in an election year is far from a coincidence. Imagine trying to motivate this if Wuhan scam didnt happen? Even democrats know that they would have the proposition laughed away. So they needed to create something the people fear

and what shallow nihilistic narcissistic fear the most? Death

And what is the most effective invisible killer than a virus?

So by using fear, they are able to intimidate the populace into going along with this mail in ballots, they can put an invisible weapon on your head and say that you will die if you dont go along with it. Fear is the perfect ingredient to force the population to go along with shit like mail in ballots and mandatory vaccines (you can put whatever shit in that and no one will be allowed to question it).

However, after months of this shit being artificially extended, its clear most people are fed up with it and can see what they are trying to do. The riots, as awful as they are, prove that not only this virus isnt apocalyptic but people can easily go to a building to properly vote with nothing to fear. So the left is kind of despered to keep the fear mongering going so they can convince as many as possible that this is "necessary" and that anyone against it is "evil", since they pretty much weaponized morality (and people nowadays are pathologically moralistic, but like the joker says, "dropped on the first sign of trouble").

Its all very logical tho the human spirit is difficult to control and much less to predict. We cannot let them do this since they arent even subtle anymore on how corrupt they and mail in ballots are.

Now yes, they can still fraud regular voting but its best to caught something that you can recover from than an outright terminal cancer.



Will there be lawsuits?

Yes

and blood

There will be blood...and lawsuits.

Trump could get an impossible Washington-level sweep (538; DC goes red. Big thunks on how he did it.), and then poof come January, it's all fucking blue and we're supposed shrug and accept it.

Texas might go blue because of this shit. Hopefully, Barr is cracking down hard on this issue.

The funny thing is, if its on the other way around, they will NEVER accept the results. But if its Biden later on, they will demand that it be "recounted" at the very least.
Im legit concerned that its going to be a close call for Trump, then the left somehow gets their "recounting" and suddenly Bernie gets a "mysterious" curb stomp victory. Its UNLIKELY but not impossible, especially in this horrible year and political culture.

All this bullshit is just so they can screech voter fraud come November. It's all about planting the seed to the next big conspiracy. Get ready to see the hashtag NotMyPresident again or something new like #TheCountIsWRONG or something equally dumb.

Voter fraud has been happening in elections for decades. Every 4 years somehow dead people seem to vote for both parties. It's just NOW a huge deal.

Thing is, my friend, the left has never truly accepted the results from the 2016 election so they obviously wont accept 2020's if Trump wins. These riots are ALREADY their pre-tantrum/scorched earth policy at Trump's very likely victory. If America doesnt go their way, then America doesnt "deserve" to live. The irony is that these riots are just creating more animosity towards them and guaranteeing that even some democrats will vote Trump out of spite of losing everything and the left approving everything.

However, we NEED to protect the electorial college vote at all cost. Even if they somehow fraud their way to winning the popular vote, the EC vote could save the day again.
 
It's my personal belief that the Democrats already have a plan in place.

Why else are the inner council types of the party so calm and cool while their candidate for the highest office in the world goes full mental on live tv?

Reason; they don't give a shit about the election results as they've already got it handled. Biden can stroke out as much as he wants, the party faithful will still vote blue no matter who and then a slow but steady trickle of mail in ballots will turn the red tide wherever needed.

Mark my words, the Democrats will see an unprecedented rise in voter turnout this election. Hell, if they feel they need it they'll see an 75% or more turn out then when the GoP calls them on it they'll be like...hey folks just hate Trump that much! And if course the media will be busy prepping the mindless public for the evil GoP trying to steal another election and so on...

If mail in ballots are in thing in the key States, Trump is done. Simple as that.
 
Um, yeah, no shit he'll not stop interfering in the election. He has another potential four years in office and he has to fight for the vote to get it, you think he's going to sit on his ass and think he's already won? That sounds like something the slacktivists would do, and I'm sure if the slacktivists were in power, they'd interfere to shit too. Politics is all about the end justifies the means.
 
How? Where are the ballots going to come from? Who’s going to fill them out? How are you going to get the hundreds to thousands of people needed to pull it off to not only participate but also not talk about it?
They talk about it openly. They outright brag about it. Why is New Jersey having a complete do over on their mail in election?
 
Um, yeah, no shit he'll not stop interfering in the election. He has another potential four years in office and he has to fight for the vote to get it, you think he's going to sit on his ass and think he's already won? That sounds like something the slacktivists would do, and I'm sure if the slacktivists were in power, they'd interfere to shit too. Politics is all about the end justifies the means.
The reason Dems are nostalgic for "conservatives" like Dubya, McCain, and Romney (after two decades of vilifying them as racist sexist fundamentalist Nahzee warmongers) is because Trump is the only one who has had the balls to defy them in recent memory.

They and their minions in media, entertainment, etc. are the schoolyard bullies so used to the beta kid cowering and not fighing back; now that the beta kid has had enough and gave them a bloody nose, they're in shock and disbelief. "No! We are top dogs! How dare they!"

It's why their jimmies are particularly rustled over Kenosha Kyle. Look how quickly they went from "teehee, men with guns play soldier cuz they have tiny peepee!" to "AIEEEE DOMESTIC TERRORISM!"
 
The Democrats are pushing this hard enough for me to know that not only is it rigged, it's massive and already in the works. It's also their only route to power and they desperately want the reins of power so they can slam the door shut behind them.
Considering how every plan the DNC has cooked up in the last 4 years have blown up in their faces, I'm not concerned. Especially this year alone.

I definitely think they'll attempt fraud, but it won't work. They're over playing their hand atm. It'll be so blatant that the law will just take one look a the ballots and laugh.
 
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I've resealed MTG packs before (as a joke, but that's a different story), and if an autist like myself can figure that out resealing paper envelopes is probably just as easy.

I don't know why smoothbrains think people won't just steal their mail and forge their signature.

Because it’s hard to do on a massive scale, signatures are actually hard to forge, and we’re actually really good a detecting fraud.
 
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