Aib Ld
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It's possible for someone from a very cold climate to get dark skin! See: The Inuit!
SJW Art and Extremes
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verygayFrogs
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3 things, 1. I’m gonna fucking invalidate canon now because John to me is always gonna be a straight white male because A, John is usually a name associated with those people, and B Because there are so many goddamn timelines in homestuck that I don’t wanna think about a trans John one being the one we ended up in.
2. Holy shit how did they murder Deirdre so fucking bad? No one deserves that
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Holy shit why does he look like Dedue when he’s clearly meant to be a goddamn Star Trek reference.
2. Holy shit how did they murder Deirdre so fucking bad? No one deserves that
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Holy shit why does he look like Dedue when he’s clearly meant to be a goddamn Star Trek reference.
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All Marysol Harter/Soli/@lavender.fruitt bullshit is now in Obscure Laughingstocks. You don't get your own thread(yet).
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Nah nah. White people lost their color because unlike Inuits they treated eating the same good organ meats like taboo. The people who had less pigment didn't die of malnutrition because their skin could absorb more vitamin D and keep their calcium levels up. Imagine a neanderthal with rickets. Horrifying.
Aib Ld
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Huh, didn't know about this one until now. Learn something new everyday. I'm interested on learning more, since I thought it was some weird thing, since its common knowledge that the sun also plays a part on the skin factor but eating certain stuff isn't known more. Didn't know not eating certain stuff is also a thing.
Humans are weird and that makes us fun to learn about!
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I mean sure I'd believe it if they didn't make it look like a stereotype.
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Me and my friends make fun of her Mikitaka x Yukako ovipositing porn. Didn't know she had a presence on Kiwifarms
I've been thinking over this and i'd like to hear what other people have to say about it. I looked into the Princess Peach redesign thing and it got me thinking over about the topic of turning characters poc. Usually I take problem with people doing this because it is extremely ugly art, stereotypical / caricature type artwork, that people try to make in a attempt to be morally superior than other people. I don't agree with this; when it comes to art I feel that it should be done for fun, not to brag about how much better they are than other people because they drew this one thing. I don't mind the critique's and I indulge in it.
Though on the other hand, if a person has skillfully made art, creative, and it was made with the intentions of just having fun, I wondered if there really is any harm? (I'm not saying that people shouldn't be critiqued but I was wondering this to myself.) I remember a while back I saw this redesign of Link from Zelda redesigned as poc and I saw people on this forum talking about how it wasn't that bad, and was creatively made. (IMO when I see something that is pleasing to look at I really don't mind it at all)
Also thought about how often times the double standards with this is brought up. (EX: Why is whitewashing frowned upon and why is blackwashing praised) My opinion on this for a long time has been, if people are allowed to turn a character poc I see no reason why it can't be the same the other way around. I still feel like that is a fair way to go about it, but I have seen people explain why it is upsetting to see poc characters turned white and i'm at that point where I can see both sides and where they are coming from. (Example)
Genuinely curious what are other people's thoughts on redesigns and things similar to this? It has been on my mind for a while now.
(EDIT: I didn't realize someone already brought this up until I went back a few pages now, whoops. Though i'd still like to know what other people may have to say about it.)
Though on the other hand, if a person has skillfully made art, creative, and it was made with the intentions of just having fun, I wondered if there really is any harm? (I'm not saying that people shouldn't be critiqued but I was wondering this to myself.) I remember a while back I saw this redesign of Link from Zelda redesigned as poc and I saw people on this forum talking about how it wasn't that bad, and was creatively made. (IMO when I see something that is pleasing to look at I really don't mind it at all)
Also thought about how often times the double standards with this is brought up. (EX: Why is whitewashing frowned upon and why is blackwashing praised) My opinion on this for a long time has been, if people are allowed to turn a character poc I see no reason why it can't be the same the other way around. I still feel like that is a fair way to go about it, but I have seen people explain why it is upsetting to see poc characters turned white and i'm at that point where I can see both sides and where they are coming from. (Example)
Genuinely curious what are other people's thoughts on redesigns and things similar to this? It has been on my mind for a while now.
(EDIT: I didn't realize someone already brought this up until I went back a few pages now, whoops. Though i'd still like to know what other people may have to say about it.)
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I don't see anything wrong with a racebends, so long as the artist is just having fun and not trying to force it for the sake of virtue signaling, effort past just changing the skin tone goes a long way, too. Whitewashing does honestly seem weirder than any other kind if only because non-white characters tend to look specifically non-white in terms of features, it could just be an internal thing for me, though.
A good(?) example of blackwashing without trying to force it is all the art of characters like Goku being shown as black. A lot of black kids really like Dragonball Z, they grow up with it and relate to Goku in some way, it's never done to shove it down people's throats about how if they don't like the art they must be some kind of horrid racist, it's usually just some black dude that wants to let kids see a bit more of themselves in a character they look up to, in comparison to artists that do it almost entirely to posture about how good of a person they are.
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I'm fine with whitewashing in the same situations as I'm fine with any other kind of racebending: when there's some actual creative effort with it.
The problem is the same with blackwashing: a lot of people decide to turn white characters into other ethnicities without thinking of the design elements involved. Or without putting in the effort. Not every POC is just "generic brown". Each ethnic group has its own culture and look. So when someone "whitewashes" a character and assumes white people all look the same it's just as stupid. Yeah, here in America we don't really have much in terms of a cultural "look" (melting pot, etcetera), but you can't swing a dead cat in Europe without hitting an ethnic group or three, each with its own customs, stereotypes and national/ethnic outfits. And even here, we can still find representatives and descendents of multiple very interesting groups of all skin colors. Again, melting pot.
So, you want to racebend a character? Sure, go ahead. Just make them interesting. Give the design more thought than just "skin color, eye color, maybe hair color". Put the girl in a German dirndl, or an Armenian dress, or a Scottish Highland outfit. Or, if you're feeling particularly brave, don't change the character's skin color and put them into another culture's traditional outfit. Because while we can't change our skin color (unless your last name is King or Dolezai, I guess), we can change our clothes and we can pay homage to other cultures. "Cultural appropriation" be damned.
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Not even Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy is safe from this shit.
Douglas Adams is rolling in his grave.
Douglas Adams is rolling in his grave.
Madako-Tako
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Mother of fucking Christ It's okay to use references!
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Bitches swear they are not racist, but they slap all kinds of gross anti-black stereotypes on a girl who isn't even black to start with.
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The big issue with "whitewashing" comes from the concept that there are so few black and non-white characters in prominent roles compared to white ones that it's like copper-plating a diamond, y'know, you're exchanging something scarce for something mundane. Whether or not it checks out mathematically, I can understand that concern, particularly when viewed through the lens that puts white people at a place of privilege above non-white people (which is the way SJWs see the world, context/nuance be damned.) You're taking someone who's put down upon, who's risen up enough to be noticed, and slapping a coat of white paint on them so they blend in. It's insulting.
But people get riled up the same way regardless of who's doing it, which I think's kinda stupid. Small-time artists doing something for the sake of art and hollywood executives with bad intentions are two different groups, and SJWs seem to think one encourages the other when they're separate occurrences. There's a difference between something like this:
And this:
A harmless palette-swap or reimagining of a character by an individual does not a racist make, but powerful/influential people casting the one black character and giving her part to someone who doesn't even look black starts to feel like a copper-plated diamond.
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What have they done to her? God those DSLs
Also wasn't Hilda like mildly racist? During her and Cyril's supports. Like she wasn't intentionally doing it but she was ignorant because of what her family told her.
I don't think it's a good idea for these kinds of people to turn a racist character black
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I agree with @Corn Flakes on this one, it's not that I dislike racebends, I actually like them a lot, but a lot of times they just feel so goddamn lazy and disrespectful that I don't know how even the target ethnicity could be ok with it.
I mean, I'm not Ethiopian, right? But if someone essentially just took a bucket-fill to Elsa and called her "Black Elsa" I wouldn't feel represented. I'd probably feel insulted, to be honest. Like the person making that art couldn't give enough of a damn about what they were trying to represent to actually learn anything or consider what that character would be like from a different background. It's like they're admitting they only care about surface-level things.
E.g. Here are some things I think are not cool
The original was animated
This is just an alternate color scheme of the original character with a different personality and some extra jewelry
What ethnicity is this even supposed to be besides "vaguely brown"? You can't tell by looking, you'd need the artist notes.
So much personality!
I can hear her voice
Cool reinterpretation
So cute! Also, by making her eyes white you can keep the white-hair color scheme without it looking too distracting or unnatural.
Or Krug.
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I get it, some black people have big lips. St. Floyd of Minneapolis being the most recent example. But must all woke artists draw those lips like the character just spent fifteen minutes making out with a vacuum cleaner? And half the time they clash with the rest of the art style or just plain look bad compared to how they look on real people.
While I understand the idea of "copper-plating a diamond" on a rational level (after a certain amount of mental bending to get into the right SJW mindset, anyway), I still reserve the right to consider it fucking stupid.
I'm not interested in real-life implications. If I'm looking at a visual medium, I want to look at things that are visually interesting and/or unique. And the kind of shit we see on this thread is uninspired and oversaturated. Characters whose entire ethnic background is reduced to "POC", with more descriptors referring to their gender than to their personality or their upbringing.
I grew up in a racially mixed, lower-middle class area. There were white families, latino families and black families in my neighborhood. As an adult, I now live in a very white suburb, because fuck paying rent in the city. Yet due to media, social media and advertising, I see far more POC now than I ever did growing up. I'm not going to qualify whether or not they're realistic depictions (coughgenderpoliticsandpronounsdon'tusuallyflywithhighlyconservativeorreligiousgroupscough goodness what's wrong with my throat?), but at this point I just want to see something different. Be it European (particularly Eastern European) cultures that aren't commonly depicted here, or non-diaspora African cultures, or Meso- and Latin-American customs that were never imported to America, or any of the billion Indian and East Asian cultures we only hear about when there's some sort of disaster in that area and they're suddenly in the news.
That's why I put so much emphasis on effort. It's easy to blackwash a character. It's also easy to whitewash a character. Racebending is the least original play in the book for making a character look "different". It's lazy as fuck and it shows when it's that superficial. So if you're going to do it, at least put in the work instead of just bucket-painting Princess Daisy brown and occasionally giving her dreadlocks.
Or, better yet, make an interesting original character and insert it in the world in an interesting way. Instead of racebending Peach or Daisy, make your own Mario game Princess. You want to make her black? Go ahead! Give her a more unique and traditional look to her dress than the standard fantasy princess look the other two have. Make a whole kingdom for her, maybe even one inspired by African myth! Shit, since I'm spitballing here, give them a cool spider theme based on the Anansi. Build the world, make it fun and interesting!
That's what I like to see when people decide to get creative. Not this repetitive, lazy BS of "oh, this character is just as he was before, only his skin color is different and someone called him a nigger once".
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Found some hideous gems.
^Thats supposed to be Jayden and Chazz as a Middle School AU.
^Thats supposed to be Jayden and Chazz as a Middle School AU.
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Found some hideous gems.
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^Thats supposed to be Jayden and Chazz as a Middle School AU.
That head is too short to harbor a healthy human brain.
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With how much the Millennium Puzzle looks like a huge chunk of bling, I could see a black Yugi design looking cool.Found some hideous gems.
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^Thats supposed to be Jayden and Chazz as a Middle School AU.
You kind of need to know how to draw to make it work, though. Who needs to learn anatomy when you've read enough late 90s-early 00s yaoi to have its worst visual tropes ingrained into your style?