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I think Tampax Pearl has the right idea. It's always good to take a step back. It's not really normal to focus so much on this shit. But then again it would be really abnormal to not take a break sometimes. At least maintain a sense of humor with it all.
This is what these hippies mean when they talk about "self-care". Clown World gets to them, too, even if they're creating it. We all need respite. Get off the farms/4chan/social media once a week; go for a walk in the park, hang out with friends or family IRL (lol), play a vidya game, watch anime, go to church... do something else for a change.

It's not healthy to always be in a fever-pitched outrage over Clown World. Why do you think SJWs are such miserable people? Because they're obsessed with every change in the wind of politics.

To everyone their own. Focusing on college has been a detriment to everyone. Freedom, real freedom, should have been the focus all along. No "Get a degree, its the only way to make something of yourselves". It should have been "Find what you do well at, find what you enjoy, and embrace it".
I can remember as early as freshman year in my high school advisory class, they were haranguing us with a message of "You need to know EXACTLY what you're gonna do for the rest of your life RIGHT THIS INSTANT, or you're gonna be a FAILURE FOREVER!" Conspicuously absent was talk of considering trade school or the military. It was always "college or you're a stupid stupidhead loser!"
 
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This isn't counter to your points, more pontificating.

I am left to wonder just how much of the modern problems with and from black people is do to the focus on college.

Here are some 'hate facts'
1: Black people are, on average, lower IQ than Whites or Asians. The difference isn't massive, hell often times its trivial, but it is existent. This makes getting into higher learning harder.
2: Blacks are, on average, more physically robust than white people or asians. Again, the difference isn't massive but it does lean more towards the physical labor.
3: There are -good- elements to black culture, a strong focus on faith, family (The fatherless issue is one caused more by external than internal factors), brotherly bonds, and community.

If not for the focus on college, I could see black people entering the more physically demanding jobs or those that require more technical rather than book knowledge (Plumbers, etc). These blue collar jobs tend to be fairly well paying, and would allow black people to make up a very strong backbone of middle class workers whose natural aptitudes lend credence towards those jobs. Entire families, working together in a large community of those workers. Its ideal for them.

But instead, they are forced towards college where they will not excel. In fact, they have been forced towards it since the civil rights era, where suddenly black people specifically were pushed towards higher learning.

I think it says something that, prior to this push, black people occupied exactly the kind of jobs I mention above. We had other issues which needed solving, but black people had found an economic and societal niche which not only did they fit in, they excelled in.

Mix in other polices, absolutely wrecked welfare and 'gibs' programs which made them reliant on the state to only name a couple, and you have a people who have been pushed away from what they'd do well at, and instead have slowly stagnated and rotted.

The thing that really confuses me is that, it seems to be some kind of generational thing. Like it started at a certain point. Maybe the 60s?
Because I've met quite a few old school black people, people in their 60s or 70s and as a rule of thumb they tend to be wise, have an admirable work ethic, religious and very traditional.

But then you go further down the line even one generation, let alone two generations, and those people are generally doing very poorly.
My thinking is, it has something to do with politicians [Democrats primarily] keeping entire generations of black people badly dependent on welfare, food stamps and affirmative action.
They do this, obviously because dependent people are very easy to control. All you have to do is say: "The OTHER side will cut off all of these programs! You wouldn't want that!"
And of course because they are dependent on said programs, they'll almost always vote a certain way unless they break out of the cycle and walk off the plantation.
But the ones who break out of the cycle are called coons and Uncle Toms for "acting white" and their families tend to resent them for not sticking with the scheduled programming.

Lyndon B. Johnson - " "I'll have those niggers voting Democratic for 200 years."
The destruction of the nuclear family certainly hasn't helped at all. The scourge of modern "black culture" which is basically just ghetto, gangsta culture has fucked up generations of young black men.
And as you said, the push toward college and the affirmative action shit where if you're the right shade, all you need to get into college is a fucking pencil, also haven't helped either.

Personally I would like to see a more homogeneous community ethnically, but for anyone to say that the ills of black communities are purely organic, I think it's inaccurate. It's hard to minimize all of the other shit and just call it an IQ problem.
I've been referred to as a Nazi or a bigot [who hasn't at this point?] but although there may be some truth to that, that doesn't mean I want to see black people fail or put in camps. The contrary, I'd like to see them succeed.
And if all of those aforementioned issues would cease, they most likely would to a good extent, much like the older black people who were around before all of this shit started happening.
That doesn't mean I think we'll all sing kumbaya and live in harmony forever, but I think the leftists by hand-waving away all of the problems among blacks are doing them a grave disservice and also mitigating their agency.
For believing so much in "black power" and "helping the oppressed" the leftists sure seem to think that black people can't do a god damn thing on their own.
 
Me? I dont hate black people. I just dont think we can get along. Sure they are some fine people on both sides. Problem is those people are rare. Everyone else is clannish.
I don't know about that. Things were going pretty well after the civil rights movement, it was when democrats began trying to give special treatment to black people because they were 'economically disadvantaged' when things started to fall apart. Who knew giving a bunch of free shit to people leads them to put less effort into bettering themselves, and then telling them that the reason they're getting nowhere is entirely the fault of other races around them breeds racism?
 
This isn't counter to your points, more pontificating.

I am left to wonder just how much of the modern problems with and from black people is do to the focus on college.

Here are some 'hate facts'
1: Black people are, on average, lower IQ than Whites or Asians. The difference isn't massive, hell often times its trivial, but it is existent. This makes getting into higher learning harder.
2: Blacks are, on average, more physically robust than white people or asians. Again, the difference isn't massive but it does lean more towards the physical labor.
3: There are -good- elements to black culture, a strong focus on faith, family (The fatherless issue is one caused more by external than internal factors), brotherly bonds, and community.

If not for the focus on college, I could see black people entering the more physically demanding jobs or those that require more technical rather than book knowledge (Plumbers, etc). These blue collar jobs tend to be fairly well paying, and would allow black people to make up a very strong backbone of middle class workers whose natural aptitudes lend credence towards those jobs. Entire families, working together in a large community of those workers. Its ideal for them.

But instead, they are forced towards college where they will not excel. In fact, they have been forced towards it since the civil rights era, where suddenly black people specifically were pushed towards higher learning.

I think it says something that, prior to this push, black people occupied exactly the kind of jobs I mention above. We had other issues which needed solving, but black people had found an economic and societal niche which not only did they fit in, they excelled in.

Mix in other polices, absolutely wrecked welfare and 'gibs' programs which made them reliant on the state to only name a couple, and you have a people who have been pushed away from what they'd do well at, and instead have slowly stagnated and rotted.

So the Black IQ thing has me thinking. We all.have watched Idiocracy and in the film it shows how the collective intelligence of humanity dropped.

Now, let's apply this to Blacks. While they might have started out genetically the same, why could the constant need to struggle in Africa retard the collective IQ.

Just think about it. With the constant struggle to survive against nature, less divisions of labor, and warfare it's not the intellectual Blacks that are more likely to breed, it's the one with the most physical prowness.

Similarly, in the U.S. thier is a disproportionate attraction to more thuggish personalities among Blacks and less condemnation of their actions. All this results in the dumbest of Black being more likely to breed.

Additionally, just look at how many kids normal Black people (Walter Williams, Clarence Thomas, etc) have vs a bunch of dinndi do's. I am not saying I hate Blacks or even discriminate against them buy just believe that they are breed more ignorant dumbfucks than most other races and it seems to be continuing unabated.
 
I think Tampax Pearl has the right idea. It's always good to take a step back. It's not really normal to focus so much on this shit. But then again it would be really abnormal to not take a break sometimes. At least maintain a sense of humor with it all.

One of the reasons I post here is because there is so little in-fighting. And what there is, is quickly ironed out. I really don't want to get in to any personal argument here over whatever viewpoint. But it's good to clarify sometimes. Then move on. Never let things fester and cause bad blood. I don't feel bad blood from any person here on the farms (so far). I'm also impressed by how others just let things go and don't let it drag the forum down. Kudos to all of you.

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Yeah it is important to walk away for a bit. I started having a bit of a midlife crisis back in June, started thinking about stuff I could have done, wondering if a friend got a piece of ass after all kinds of drama years ago.

I... Went some weird places inside my head.
 
The thing that really confuses me is that, it seems to be some kind of generational thing. Like it started at a certain point. Maybe the 60s?
Because I've met quite a few old school black people, people in their 60s or 70s and as a rule of thumb they tend to be wise, have an admirable work ethic, religious and very traditional.

But then you go further down the line even one generation, let alone two generations, and those people are generally doing very poorly.
My thinking is, it has something to do with politicians [Democrats primarily] keeping entire generations of black people badly dependent on welfare, food stamps and affirmative action.
They do this, obviously because dependent people are very easy to control. All you have to do is say: "The OTHER side will cut off all of these programs! You wouldn't want that!"
And of course because they are dependent on said programs, they'll almost always vote a certain way unless they break out of the cycle and walk off the plantation.
But the ones who break out of the cycle are called coons and Uncle Toms for "acting white" and their families tend to resent them for not sticking with the scheduled programming.

Lyndon B. Johnson - " "I'll have those niggers voting Democratic for 200 years."
The destruction of the nuclear family certainly hasn't helped at all. The scourge of modern "black culture" which is basically just ghetto, gangsta culture has fucked up generations of young black men.
And as you said, the push toward college and the affirmative action shit where if you're the right shade, all you need to get into college is a fucking pencil, also haven't helped either.

Personally I would like to see a more homogeneous community ethnically, but for anyone to say that the ills of black communities are purely organic, I think it's inaccurate. It's hard to minimize all of the other shit and just call it an IQ problem.
I've been referred to as a Nazi or a bigot [who hasn't at this point?] but although there may be some truth to that, that doesn't mean I want to see black people fail or put in camps. The contrary, I'd like to see them succeed.
And if all of those aforementioned issues would cease, they most likely would to a good extent, much like the older black people who were around before all of this shit started happening.
The black community has been slowly fucked over time. The old blacks you reference were those I too referenced. They had strong, blue collar jobs, stuck to their own communities, and were happy with their lot in life. Then their kids got pushed towards college, failed, and hit economic hard times. The steel mills and blue collar jobs began to dry up layering more economic hardship. Politicians took advantage, crafted -awful- welfare policies that actively disincentivize the family unit that propped up the black communities for so long. From there, its a self-perpetuating cycle of each generation doing worse than the last.

People point tot he jogging incidents as proof of black people not being integrated. I reject this, as its the opposite.Black people WERE integrated, then a slow series of catastrophes and outright evil saw that integration torn apart and eventually... whats left?

Black people aren't the problem, nor even is 'black culture' really the problem. They are symptoms of a larger series of diseases.


Now, let's apply this to Blacks. While they might have started out genetically the same, why could the constant need to struggle in Africa retard the collective IQ.

Short version: The environment. Africa, more or less, is actually fairly ideal for all year round hunting, Its a struggle, but not really any more than any baser animal requires. Places that have very strong cold seasons select for the ability to plan and think ahead, because once winter rolls around there is absolute hell to pay if you didn't.
 
So the Black IQ thing has me thinking. We all.have watched Idiocracy and in the film it shows how the collective intelligence of humanity dropped.

Now, let's apply this to Blacks. While they might have started out genetically the same, why could the constant need to struggle in Africa retard the collective IQ.

Just think about it. With the constant struggle to survive against nature, less divisions of labor, and warfare it's not the intellectual Blacks that are more likely to breed, it's the one with the most physical prowness.

Similarly, in the U.S. thier is a disproportionate attraction to more thuggish personalities among Blacks and less condemnation of their actions. All this results in the dumbest of Black being more likely to breed.

Additionally, just look at how many kids normal Black people (Walter Williams, Clarence Thomas, etc) have vs a bunch of dinndi do's. I am not saying I hate Blacks or even discriminate against them buy just believe that they are breed more ignorant dumbfucks than most other races and it seems to be continuing unabated.
There is a book about this. Blacks are not retarded. They have a more present oriented and inutitive form of intelligence.

Look up Philip zimbardos "psycholgy of time". He explains it quite well. He has an entire chapter devoted to soccer to explain his point. White people are systematic and Africans are more spontaneous. Both have their strengths and weaknesses.
 
I mean, in some ways yes. But that's only because the "literal nazis" are the only ones choosing to acknowledge that there are actually differences between the races.

I'd think were we'd split is that I see it as something to cherish and embrace, where as other's would see it as a reason to segregate.
Yep, that seems to be the main difference.

I was under the impression that racial differences were something most people agreed on but apparently that isn't so. Evo described acknowledging that whites tend to do better in life than others as racism, lol.
 
The black community has been slowly fucked over time. The old blacks you reference were those I too referenced. They had strong, blue collar jobs, stuck to their own communities, and were happy with their lot in life. Then their kids got pushed towards college, failed, and hit economic hard times. The steel mills and blue collar jobs began to dry up layering more economic hardship. Politicians took advantage, crafted -awful- welfare policies that actively disincentivize the family unit that propped up the black communities for so long. From there, its a self-perpetuating cycle of each generation doing worse than the last.

People point tot he jogging incidents as proof of black people not being integrated. I reject this, as its the opposite.Black people WERE integrated, then a slow series of catastrophes and outright evil saw that integration torn apart and eventually... whats left?

Black people aren't the problem, nor even is 'black culture' really the problem. They are symptoms of a larger series of diseases.
It’s not a thing a thing about integration, I think it’s some WANT to be segregated. And apparently some blacks think that having no other races will create a real life Wakanda.
 
It’s not a thing a thing about integration, I think it’s some WANT to be segregated. And apparently some blacks think that having no other races will create a real life Wakanda.
You are mistaking the symptom for the disease. Half a century of ratfucking means that a lot of modern black people are aimless, adrift, and their only real lines of purpose lie in a community that is equally ratfucked. They used to bed integrated, now they are not, and are actively seeking some form of segregation because... frankly, what else do they know?
 
Clannishness is not a bad thing. We like to stick to our own. The problem is that everyone is expected to ignore that. When working at a hard job, skin color doesn't matter because that job becomes your clan. If, outside of work, you head to your own areas... why is that a problem?

If anything, fighting AGAINST our innate clannishness is proving to be a detriment.

Yes people are clannish. Sharing a nation where both groups compete for power only leads to trouble. Why do you think I want to return to village states?
 
Being more systematic and planning for the long term is a sign of high IQ. Being more spontaneous and short-sighted is a sign of low IQ.
Yes, but that's somewhat misleading. IQ is not the same as "Being Smart". Anyone who has handled the social sciences can tell you fairly quick that "IQ" as a concept is... more or less bullshit. There is a reason that people make fun of other for saying "I have a high IQ".

Very short explanation of why: the IQ tests and measurement is designed after a VERY specific set of requirements, while leaving out fairly large sections that don't jive with it. It works as a general overview of a specific form of intelligence, but has proven rather needing in other areas.
 
Anyone who's done STEM can tell you the social sciences are objectively bullshit.
Social Sciences are actually quite useful. And no, I don't mean "Gender Studies" or something like that. Pyschology, political science, sociology all uncover and root through what makes up humanity. Things which can't be tested and quantified as readily or easily as the STEM degrees.

Edit: Also, ironic that someone would invoke IQ, then say the social sciences are bullshit. IQ.... comes from the social sciences. Its a product of them.
 
Being more systematic and planning for the long term is a sign of high IQ. Being more spontaneous and short-sighted is a sign of low IQ.
Yet its the white people rioting againat invisible boogiemen such as white privilege. Most of the black rioters went home after they got all the free shit.

Its a matter of style of thinking vs who is smarter then who and a question of the pros and cons of each thinking style.
 
I think some nazis aren’t necessarily against having different kinds of people in society, as long as they know and understand their place. If people know things won’t change, they tend to be happier.
I'm still in Martin Luther King mode. People should be judged by the contents of their character, etc.

Of course, in clown world 2020, that makes me Hitler and Karen combined, not to mention being a manipulative white female who is both fragile, incredibly powerful and an eternal liar. And, weirdly, is supposed to be into fucking dogs.

I'm fed up with clown world. More cute animal pictures please, ( preferably not of dogs).
 
Yep, that seems to be the main difference.

I was under the impression that racial differences were something most people agreed on but apparently that isn't so. Evo described acknowledging that whites tend to do better in life than others as racism, lol.
It is my understanding from following many evopsych types and a bit of reading that there is literally no actual consensus on inherent IQ differences between races, largely because it has not been properly studied (yeah I know Minnesota twin studies blah blah they're not enough). I have not been able to find any credible academic who is actually able to say outright 'yes, there are inherent differences in intelligence between races.' They all say, at most, 'there may be inherent differences in intelligence between races, but we haven't been able to, and may not be able to, properly study this to come to a concrete conclusion.' IQ as heritable is scientific consensus, for sure, but it's not enough to draw racial conclusions.

If somebody wants to convince me of a need for segregation, I'm amenable to cultural or aesthetic arguments, on which there are much better grounds to argue. I think anyone who asserts that races are inherently smarter/dumber is asserting something they wouldn't be able to prove if pushed. Emphasis on inherent is because it is obvious that on average different ethnic groups are smarter than others at any given time, but the question is one of potential.

-> not so deep thoughts
 
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I'm still in Martin Luther King mode. People should be judged by the contents of their character, etc.

Doesnt work that way. Most people are automatons and will work to better the interests of their group or at least fuck with people outside their group for pleasure or profit.
 
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