ActuallyAutistic
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Suddenly it all makes sense. He's not frowning all the time because he's sad and miserable, he's frowning all the time because That's the only way his mouth doesn't appear crooked.
Jerry Peet / Lily Orchard / Lily Peet / Valkyrstudios / Bhaalspawn / Tara Callie / "Mod Ebara" - Sociopath writer of pedophile fanfiction and cartoon reviews, faked getting raped to force a divorce, then mobbed and gaslit their ex off Tumblr, satanist neoliberal of the MovieSlob variety, also wants to fuck dogs and/or pokemon
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saladimitate
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Wuuuuuut the fuck is wrong with his face?! Are you alright Jerry? You sure you shouldn't do the FAST test, cuz it legit looks like you're having a stroke!
thebananaonion
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Ngl that old image of him looks more female than her newest selfie. How the fuck that happen considering shes on estrogen (yes i kinda believe she is as ive looked at images of her with a clear bust and nothing looks abnormal like bent door frames or what not)
But i still think she lied about the corona thing.
That smile looks fake like she got photoshop and twisted it a bit... Uncanny as fuck. Her eyes also look lifeless.... Shes fucked.
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GayDemiBoy
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She's using a lot of like blurr and softening filters on her pictures. The angle with the lighting really doesn't help either because it makes more shadowing on the face show up making the left half look like Lily would be nearing 40 over 30. Her right side isn't much better since you see she has a more oval face shape with how she has her hair tucked back. Lily's smirk looks more like a half hearted sneer, combined with her dead looking eyes it makes it more unsettling. Lily's brows also look odd. I can tell she's waxing them but she's not having them shaped to look more feminine and so they end up being more of a masculine rectangle with a isoloes triangle attached.
I would believe Lily has been self isolating since she has no idea how unsettling this picture would be to anyone else paired with how this reads as a more masculine looking woman look. Also for someone with a eating disorder,she should have looked at the angle cause you can see the faint start of a double chin.
Minionlover98
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I have been watching her videos, mostly about Disney, especially The Owl House
And it's really sucks that 50% of time, she is aboutstly correct about the state of animation
Her takes on the Star Wars trilogy was absolutely correct
Her takes on how up there asses on modern animation writers, trying to be all "deep" wanna be talentless fanfic writers and failing to be "emotional" I also agree with incentive that sometimes a cartoon should be just a cartoon
But then she sadly have to go to a extremely off the wall and different conclusion on why
Like, I used to hated SU, but after watching her video on it, I fell like her only consultation was "the show needed to be more in depth and explain more more and more"
And like... No? Lily I thought you hated endless lore drebble and stupid and lazy metaphors, why do you want a show to do more, just because you are afraid that kids are getting to get the wrong message about fascism or someshit?
I will give Rebecca and Ian credit when credit due, that they don't think making the most high art thing ever and understand to how fun with themselves and there work at times. (Unlike the fandom) Something that despite Lily keep saying she wants more of and can do, seems she can't?
It's like she's doing sort of extreme version troll shielding, like she understands and even agree with alot of the trappings of left leaning/progressive media and why there so shit but her end consultations is either "it's not progressive enough to the logic extreme I wanted" OR "I hate it when this cartoon dose it, but I don't mind when I do it for my writings"
Also it's extremely concerning that she enjoyed Chicken Little was because of something related to her own emotional parnets turmoil
And it's really sucks that 50% of time, she is aboutstly correct about the state of animation
Her takes on the Star Wars trilogy was absolutely correct
Her takes on how up there asses on modern animation writers, trying to be all "deep" wanna be talentless fanfic writers and failing to be "emotional" I also agree with incentive that sometimes a cartoon should be just a cartoon
But then she sadly have to go to a extremely off the wall and different conclusion on why
Like, I used to hated SU, but after watching her video on it, I fell like her only consultation was "the show needed to be more in depth and explain more more and more"
And like... No? Lily I thought you hated endless lore drebble and stupid and lazy metaphors, why do you want a show to do more, just because you are afraid that kids are getting to get the wrong message about fascism or someshit?
I will give Rebecca and Ian credit when credit due, that they don't think making the most high art thing ever and understand to how fun with themselves and there work at times. (Unlike the fandom) Something that despite Lily keep saying she wants more of and can do, seems she can't?
It's like she's doing sort of extreme version troll shielding, like she understands and even agree with alot of the trappings of left leaning/progressive media and why there so shit but her end consultations is either "it's not progressive enough to the logic extreme I wanted" OR "I hate it when this cartoon dose it, but I don't mind when I do it for my writings"
Also it's extremely concerning that she enjoyed Chicken Little was because of something related to her own emotional parnets turmoil
starborn427614
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I'll give Chicken Little this: It has a decent amount of energy to it.
That's Lily in a nut shell. She makes some, admittedly good, observations surprisingly often from what you'd expect from someone like her, but then comes to the completely wrong conclusion on how to address the issue or what's causing it. Her SU video is probably one of the best examples of this, despite correctly identifying the glaring flaws in the show (whether she ripped off other peoples SU videos or not) most of the time her answers to the problems in the show were "Rebecca Sugar is a creepy/ didn't care/ didn't try hard enough, ect. Lily let's her own personal feelings and biases dictate her opinions even when there's clear facts and information that contract her.
And yeah, over a decade on the Internet has left Lily fairly good at troll shielding, or at least good enough to justify or rationalize her shitty behavior to her core fan group most of the time.
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Or things that are actually in the plot fly straight over his head. “Does Sugar understand Lapis shows negative abusive behaviors!? Does Sugar understand Pearl’s relationship with Rose was bad for her!?” Yes, Jerry. Because that’s how she and her team wrote it. It’s text. Surface text at that. Like it’s not even hard to pick up on in this show for children.
But no he’s jealous of Rebecca Sugar being a real woman heading an animated TV show or something so she’s a piece of shit who huffs glue and has no idea how to write characters. You know this from the guy who thinks having an abominable child shriek “MUFFINS” is good writing.
Speaking of, funny how the part of Robobuddies’ video he didn’t lift was about how Lapis’ trauma does make her lash out and hurt other people because the results of trauma isn’t always pretty.
Minionlover98
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Also, her aggressiveness and dumb ass takes then completely makes me go "oh nevermind then" anytime I was nodding along with her
Like her "I got 50 pages worth of Rebecca Sugar of being an gross pervert!1" comment in her recent video
Now she could make a overzealous but vaild criticism that yeah, alot of western animators and hollywood hacks in general can be creeps and there fairly hypocritical on putting sexualiztion on there media despite how often they get on there high horse on why it's bad
But what gets me when Lily says it, is that
1. She's no fucking better with her foalcon story she wrote, so I'm never going to take her seriously when she preaches about it
2. She needs more substantial evidence other then her looking to deep into things that are not there, or examples that wasn't form Rebecca teenaged years. I don't care she made a bad tv show, I hate it when anyone gets accused over serious shit like this and they have nothing to back it up
I swear she sometimes sound like some overly salous and reactionarist people on this site, that screams how "the gays and trannies are serectly sexualing and indoctrinating our kids!!" conspiraciol nonsense, but only this time she herself is a trans gay person, like actually wrote (all be it fictional) pedophila
Like her "I got 50 pages worth of Rebecca Sugar of being an gross pervert!1" comment in her recent video
Now she could make a overzealous but vaild criticism that yeah, alot of western animators and hollywood hacks in general can be creeps and there fairly hypocritical on putting sexualiztion on there media despite how often they get on there high horse on why it's bad
But what gets me when Lily says it, is that
1. She's no fucking better with her foalcon story she wrote, so I'm never going to take her seriously when she preaches about it
2. She needs more substantial evidence other then her looking to deep into things that are not there, or examples that wasn't form Rebecca teenaged years. I don't care she made a bad tv show, I hate it when anyone gets accused over serious shit like this and they have nothing to back it up
I swear she sometimes sound like some overly salous and reactionarist people on this site, that screams how "the gays and trannies are serectly sexualing and indoctrinating our kids!!" conspiraciol nonsense, but only this time she herself is a trans gay person, like actually wrote (all be it fictional) pedophila
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1- we have more than Tumblr posts
2- you are not super complicated to understand, you are very shallow (and if they can't you can't either)
3- you do not decide the level of knowledge and people's intentions just to invalidate criticism
so it's official, Lily doesn't know what a personality is
"designed to prey on addictive personalities."
that just sums up her entire career
starborn427614
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How the fuck can a TV show be designed to prey on addictive personalities. Is she implying that certain shows amp up certain attributes to lure in unsuspecting viewers and get them hooked? Pretty sure that's just called being an entertaining and/or engaging piece of media. Very much in line with Lily's thinking to view media as the enemy that needs to be defeated or defied.
Son Goku Baku
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With that bit about "designed to prey on addictive personalities", is Liliana talking about cliffhangers? Or shows that end each season with a open ending to give pass to the next one?
Because if she really wants to make the argument that is a bad thing (with that language, she does, nobody uses "causes addiction" for something good), then she has a problem with all forms of storytelling ever. On another note, that would actually explain why her comic is such a monotone boring schlock to go through.
Who could have thought that Liliana was actually sparing her audience from becoming addicted by making the story the most inconsequential ever and spoiling even the entertaining bits ahead of time? How noble of her.
Because if she really wants to make the argument that is a bad thing (with that language, she does, nobody uses "causes addiction" for something good), then she has a problem with all forms of storytelling ever. On another note, that would actually explain why her comic is such a monotone boring schlock to go through.
Who could have thought that Liliana was actually sparing her audience from becoming addicted by making the story the most inconsequential ever and spoiling even the entertaining bits ahead of time? How noble of her.
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If you want to talk about material made to “prey” on certain people, see which of Lily’s stories I’m describing here:
An experienced, more mature woman takes in a young naive girl and slowly turns her toward her way of thinking, even though literally everyone else point out how bad and evil said mature woman is, but the mature woman convinced the young girl that she’s the real victim in all this, turning the young girl against all her loved ones and friends and becoming completely dependent on the mature woman.
Spoiler Alert: It’s all of them.
An experienced, more mature woman takes in a young naive girl and slowly turns her toward her way of thinking, even though literally everyone else point out how bad and evil said mature woman is, but the mature woman convinced the young girl that she’s the real victim in all this, turning the young girl against all her loved ones and friends and becoming completely dependent on the mature woman.
Spoiler Alert: It’s all of them.
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She has literally said this.
She has said that things like characterization, continuity, lore and world-building are manipulative tools used to force people to continue watching a show because it tickles human curiosity. Having character people relate to and want to root for is objectively villainous. Lily intentionally makes her works as low-stakes as uninteresting as possible so that people don't become 'addicted' to her work.
I think she was partially under the impression that making an engaging piece of work is inherently manipulative and her method of... not doing so proves that people want to read her comic for its own merits, not because they've been psychologically manipulated into doing so. Please ignore that people are only interested in characters and worldbuilding and lore if it's actually engaging and interesting to them. Just having a mystery can entice an audience with that very premise (see: LOST), but the narrative still has to be engaging to keep them. Just putting up bad cliffhangers or endless unsatisfying mysteries won't hold people because it's causing a chemical release that enforces psychological dependency (see: LOST).
(LOST is actually kind of an interesting point on this one. It started with crazy mysteries, and whether you were ultimately satisfied with the show depended on why you kept watching it. If you wanted answers to those mysteries, you were going to be disappointed and frustrated. However, if you were more interested in how the characters interacted with those mysteries, then it was intriguing to the end.)
Her point was that a hack writer will incorporate some kind of mystery that 'forced' people to keep coming back if they want an answer. She isn't necessarily wrong, but a hack writer will use all kinds of bad manipulation to try and hook an audience through shallow misunderstanding of their devices. Using or not using a given device doesn't make or break a work, it's how it's done. Lily is just pissy because these are the popular, overused devices of the day, and possibly pissy because whenever she tries to use them, people tell her it's badly done.
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By this point, Jerry's failure to communicate is so consistent I have to think it's intentional. He tries to express a point that's so insane nobody could defend it, but somehow close enough to a real point you have to think about what he means, that there has to be something else behind the scenes. Like, yeah there's a huge list of shows that are basically empty plots that last three times longer than they need to for the """mystery""". That's not a thing that's ever been in question. Depending on how tolerant you are of "look how mysterious we are" plots, this could range from spanish soap operas to Lost. It's rare to see someone bring it up, but everyone knows it's real.
But despite apparently being aware of this phenomenon, Jerry insists on finding the shittiest possible way to describe it. Ah yes, shows that cater to "addictive personalities". That's what they are. That's why serial stories are terrible, because they're addictive. All serialized media is terrible, because you can be "addicted" to a tv show and everyone secretly hates anything that isn't 11 minutes of lesbians. That point is so far away from the actual point of "shows drag out mystery plots that actually aren't even mysterious" that it's barely identifiable.
The best theory is that Jerry pathologically steals arguments but tries to rewrite them so he sounds like he thought them up himself. We've already established he does that for his rant videos, so it makes sense. Someone, somewhere, said something about, say, a show having only a good first and last episode per season, and Jerry corrupted it into "lol you can be addicted to a tv show". It would explain why Jerry's arguments always feel so off.
Son Goku Baku
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"Some shows rely too heavily in mistery plots rather than good plots" is a perfectly nice way to get her point across. It's actually bizarre how Liliana had to turn it into a matter of "these shows actually are worse for the mental health of some people", putting them on a implicit same category as gambling or drugs.
I can't help to wonder if this isn't some kind of projection going on. Didn't she said she lost interest on MLP a long time ago, but she still kept making videos and watching the rest of the show? Could have been that she became "addicted" to those same misteries she criticized others for caring about, but rather than admit it as a weakness of her, she invented something else on it's place?
I just feel that there is something very weird about the way she interacts with media in general. It's like they are not entertainment, but rather something that has to fill a practical purpose related to her or else they are not worth it. Her idea of "working on herself" is stop watching some shows and watching others instead so she can stop making some kind of jokes, because she, a full grown adult woman, can't be asked to do any actual work herself. All her whining about gay princesses is purely for the sake of her own validation. Sugar failed to teach kids that fascism is wrong through her cartoon show about space rocks. Hazbin Hotel was good only because it validated her fucked up views about religion and lesbians.
Nothing it's just fun or interesting or intriguing or even unique. It has to exist for something. On some level she is like a toddler that will only learn to count through a bunch of puppets on the screen showing the numbers for her, because she couldn't bother to do it on her own.
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"I make my self-insert wish fulfillment Pokemon comic so boring and tedious because I'm protecting you all from the manipulation of good and effective writing. Yeah, that's the ticket!"
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I just think it's Lily trying to take the moral highground, because that's something she loves to do. It's not just that serialization isn't for her or that stringing the audience along with mysteries that go nowhere is bad storytelling or even that she just personally dislikes it, it's manipulative and exploitative of people with addictive personalities and gets people hooked on a TV show.
She's just looking out for the childrento earn their trust so she can seduce them more easily.
She's just looking out for the children
starborn427614
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You'd be surprised how many criticisms of the show are "this thing is BAD! And that's BAD WRITING!". Not excusing the pacing or the off-model discourse (the latter of which I don't really think ADDS anything to the show but whatever) but people like Lily love to think themselves so much smarter than any showrunner. If there's a flaw they can't find they'll invent one and push it until the people who follow them believe it.